Charlemagne’s Brutal Massacre Of 4,500 Saxons | Charlemagne | Chronicle

[@dorasmith7875]

This is the best thing on Charlemagne I have ever heard or seen. It's no surprise it's not got that many likes, because it doesn't portray Charlemagne as a hero, but instead as a capable, ambitious and brutal warlord. The man makes sense for the first time ever. This is also the first thing I've ever seen or read that gave actual reason to think a lot of people may descend from him - though I highly doubt that is all of us. One real problem, though, it never gets to the point where he mass slaughtered Saxons who wouldn't convert to Christianity. It cuts out suddenly before the ending, and there is no part 2. And don't think I'll be subscribing to your channel to see it! That'll get you lots of failures to like right there. I'm not convinced he didn't have a mood disorder that at times led to extremes of judgement and behavior, but bipolar disorder is so typical of success in some fields that is practically a symptom. Feudal warlord temperament is one of its code words.

[@pyrotechnick420]

The visual effects artists did a good job with the tree and the fire

[@gina928]

Another brutal act in the name of religion. The Saxons had their own belief system and did not want to convert. Why should they be forced to? Remember history always repeats itself through the centuries. Charlemagne is not a valiant figure, he is a murderer.

[@connorlindsay5194]

Lol pagans did the same shit , fuck ‘em.

[@juliustrevor4781]

YOU SPEAK AS IF THE FOLLOWERS OF THE OLD GODS DIDNT WAGE WAR IN THE NAME OF THEIR GODS, CRY MORE YOU PAGAN LARPER!

[@oriraykai3610]

They human sacrified people for fun, especially Christians. That's why...

[@iraqwarveteran470]

Christianity was more than religion. It was a new social economic system. It was all about money and power. The Church was important for justifying rulers, and rulers needed churches just as much as the ancient Sumerians needed temples and priests. Same story, different color. The church owned and managed TONS of land. Bishops also raised armies for the kings in the middle ages. There's really so much to learn about it all, but keep up the quest for knowledge.

[@Andy_Babb]

God I love this period of history

[@garybobst9107]

Not if you had to Live in it...

[@frankole121]

Haha exactly! Brutal times!

[@lecturideneuitat7989]

@@garybobst9107 Bine punctat

[@lecturideneuitat7989]

Ca spectator, da

[@Andy_Babb]

@@garybobst9107 Yeah, except I don’t live in that time and it’s a fascinating topic. Also, it wasn’t like every human on earth lived in squalor and fear of being murdered. Should I _not_ learn about history?

[@kafon6368]

If we keep seeing past history through modern eyes we'll end up crying about everything.

[@solaris5922]

There is nothing wrong with acknowledging how horrible those people and their practices are. We are supposed to feel some way so we know we aren’t the same brutes.

[@kafon6368]

@@solaris5922 That is the malignancy of revisionism. You applying modern morals on an Early Medieval person without experiencing the Early Medieval period yourself. That is wrong. Everything Charlemagne the Great did was justified given the context of the time.

[@anaquezia5532]

@@kafon6368 just because there were justifications at the time that doesnt mean it was a good thing and it's not revisionism to see him through a less romanticized and more critical point of view.

[@jackiereynolds2888]

There will never be anything that instructs us all as to just who it is we all really are like history.

[@garybobst9107]

When politics and religion ride in the same cart, the storm will follow.

[@lazy_lefty]

Even today people still don't seem to understand this.... you can see this in American politics right now 🙄

[@justadildeau]

The religious cult of wokeism is married to politics. The storm is here

[@billysunday7507]

Money is the motivating factor in America big dog.

[@Benni777]

Ya damn right! 💯

[@kafon6368]

Politics descend from religion. If you think about it, truly think about it, you'll understand.

[@aguynamednick]

The sound effect at 30:02 is like something out of Monty Python 😂

[@DieNibelungenliad]

Interesting fact, it was Frank warring on the saxons that pushed many to migrate from Saxony in Germany to England in lands like Wessex. When the Franks invaded Jutland, Anglia, and Denmark; those people too were driven to Britain where they settled. Later, the Norse of Norway and Sweden would seek new fertile lands to settle in and so would also migrate to Britain, Ireland, Iceland, the Baltic, the Rus, and Greenland. Eventually these migrations would focus on Northern France where the King of the Francia gave them and called Normandy.

[@frekitheravenous516]

The Saxons, Angles, Jutes and Frisians left for England several centuries before charlemagne was born.

[@DieNibelungenliad]

@@frekitheravenous516 The migration began earlier but it intensifed during Charlemagne's wars.

[@Vladklx]

@@DieNibelungenliad nice try pagan😊

[@sebe2255]

@@DieNibelungenliad By the time Charlemagne was around it was almost time for Danish and Norwegian migrations. The Anglo-Saxons had already settled

[@oriraykai3610]

No, because Viking raids on Britain started up after Charlemagne died. They were not warring on their fellow tribes but Brittanic tribes who were different, and many of whom were Christian.

[@chuckunplugged]

Straight up gangsta!

[@Dudeguy36]

“But those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them-bring them here and kill them in front of me.” Luke 19:27

[@ToyotaTechnical]

Christian equivalent of jihad. And you think you're the good guys.

[@mangrizli8824]

It's a parable

[@afghansoffthehook542]

Charlamagne's brutal massacre? As opposed to his gentle massacre?

[@CasperScott-qq6ip]

Indeed there isn't exactly a nice polite way to massacre people

[@josephtanner4594]

Butcher, Monster, & Plundering Land Pirate

[@notoriousnono1328]

lmao he was the great leaders and the founder of the modern nation states of europe and he civilized your barbaric pagan saxon ancestors

[@notoriousnono1328]

lmao he was the great leaders and the founder of the modern nation states of europe and he civilized your barbaric pagan saxon ancestors..

[@Vladklx]

Ha ha sys the same one who worship pagan vikings🤣

[@iraqwarveteran470]

oh no! he was "great"! just like all the other great fuck heads. like andrew jackson, Bush, Obama, Caesar, Napoleon. the whole lot of them makes me sick.

[@lecturideneuitat7989]

Judecată care nu ține cont de contextul acelor vremuri. Mai grav în privinta macelarilor si monstrilor contemporani...

[@thorspiritteachings]

This is the story no one is told. It is disturbing.

[@robhowarth77]

8 minutes I have watched, of which 6 has been ads. Keep your channel.

[@iraqwarveteran470]

get an add blocker, oh my god, seriously? what century are YOU living in, hahaahahah

[@rosehalfmann574]

Let the truth be known…

[@hermanubis7046]

Nice documentary, but it's a pity they speak modern standard German, which didn't exist until more than 800 years later. They spoke Franconian, very likely Moselle Franconian, which is still spoken today in the east of the Moselle département in France, the Saarland and Rheinland-Pfalz Länder in Germany and in Luxembourg.

[@sebe2255]

Charlemagne himself would probably have spoken something closer to Limburger and Aachener dialects. The Karlings had their powerbase around the Maastricht-Liege-Aachen region. Additionally, there wouldn’t really have been a single Frankish regional dialect. More so a continuum.

[@DenDodde]

So you are not bothered by the fact that as soon as anyone steps outside their face gets covered in shit?

[@raymondlong1848]

The real truth is always in-between depends who is telling the story.

[@ToyotaTechnical]

Christian fanatics vs everybody else

[@lecturideneuitat7989]

Exact.

[@AnthonyEvelyn]

"No more brother wars" a stupid joke if ever there was one. Franks and Saxons two large Teutonic tribes along the Rhine and Weser, even though they both shared so much in common they never really liked each other. Things only got worse as the Franks became Roman Catholic and defenders of that faith, no longer adherents of the old gods. By the time of the Saxon Wars, the Franks viewed the pagan Saxons not as 'bruders' but backward heathen raiders.

[@oriraykai3610]

That's because the Franks were Jews, not European pagans. All you Europeans are descended from Jews now.. HA Ha...

[@anynomoustrooper550]

That is the way the Roman armies rolled. Before the Roman armies became Christians, Roman soldiers set an entire village of Christians on fire because they refused to renounce their Christian faith.

[@wewenang5167]

yeah but the roman later converted to christianity but charlemagne did not convert to paganism xD.

[@Anne-pv9cb]

@@wewenang5167 and it destroyed them like it destroys everything.

[@colleenshermer2017]

After the death and resurrection of Jesus, Christianity first emerged as a sect of Judaism as practiced in the Roman province of Judea. The first Christians were all Jews, who constituted a Second Temple Jewish sect with an apocalyptic eschatology. 

[@anynomoustrooper550]

@@Anne-pv9cb What is "it"? The Romans were putting lead balls in their wine for flavor. Many went crazy. Please add some context if you are going to reply.

[@VikingMuayThai]

Tell a Christian about this event, and how their religion of brotherly love was spread by the sword. They cant reconcile it in their minds and shut down completely.

[@marthaperdew]

Exactly

[@mrd5963]

I'm catholic and I agree 😁 cross or the sword

[@peggybrem2848]

Christianity is plagued with awful truths.

[@kencoburn6263]

Get over yourself.

[@GSXK4]

Christianity isn't the problem. The problem is man's misuse of it.

[@cdes68]

Gonna happen, blokes.

[@katherinecollins4685]

Interesting

[@Son-of-Tyr]

Charlemagne was the furthest thing from a true Christian. I mean, the first commandment is 'Thou shall not Kill'. He beheaded 4,500 Germanic Pagans at Verden and destroyed one of their most sacred religious sites. He was a piece of sh*t. And to the people who think that the beginning of mass Viking raids almost immediately after had nothing to do with it, you're either blind or crazy. Even if the Viking invasions weren't out out of revenge(which they probably were) then it was because the Danes knew they'd be next. So Gudfred was an extremely insightful and practical king. He could see the forest for the trees. So he attacked...

[@sebe2255]

Bruh, it was the 9th century. Every king kill people in brutal ways.

[@oriraykai3610]

Your theory doesn't explain the mass number of beheadings, tortures, murders, and human sacrifice perpetrated by Saxons on EVERYONE ELSE for centuries before Charlemagne came along. Funny how you pagans always seem to overlook that "little detail"...

[@Son-of-Tyr]

@@oriraykai3610 So you're saying Christians didn't do any of that? The Verden massacre was just payback for all the terrible things the big, bad Saxons did to the tiny, powerless Carolingian empire?

[@thorspiritteachings]

This is why the Vikings decided to strike back. Burning that pagan symbol was like burning Yggdrasil to them. Of course, the chroniclers of history simply tell us the Vikings are just greedy pirates…they were just spinning the story.

[@matthewjason5330]

Damn it

[@starkilr101]

Seen

[@nzobriens]

Christianity is man's first attempt at Science Fiction.

[@paulos9900]

Certainly not the 1st. Plenty of gods and prophets with their associated stories before Christianity. In fact the old Testament of the bible pre dates Christ....

[@christysamuel8725]

Based!

[@lionsandtigersstore8814]

Hi Chronicle, just some feedback , I missed great swathes of the "Charlemagne’s Brutal Massacre Of 4,500 Saxons" because I could listen only, and the story began to be told by the actors in German and French (I think) -first in was the shower and then I was driving. You may want to adjust your further videos to dub voice over in the foreign speaking parts to reach more of an audience/ Thanks David.

[@mickvonbornemann3824]

I don’t think Franks then fought on horseback then & stirrups may not even had been fully established amongst the Franks then (like Saxons, Anglo-Saxons & Scandinavians). Although they definitly were by then used by the Byzantines, the Avars & the Lombards. Thats why after the Lombards were conquered the Lombards became his main cavalry arm. I think before then horses were mainly transport, like dragoons or mounted infantry.

[@AnthonyEvelyn]

By that time they actually did fight on horseback. Frankish heavy cavalry was a much feared arm of the Frankish army. They learned a lot from the Alans who had settled in Northern France.

[@oriraykai3610]

Wrong. Stirrups were a Scythian invention from thousands of years before.

[@mickvonbornemann3824]

@@oriraykai3610 Don't know where you got that from, but there's no evidence stirrups existed anywhere before the CE. BTW Scythian tapestries exist today found in Kurgan burials from the late bronze age to about 300BC, that picture a man on a horse (assumed being judged by man seated in front), none of which are using stirrups. Of course horse bits & reigns existed in the bronze age. I suggest you do some research on the history of stirrups (there's plenty of academic research you can find on google) & come back. You'll find you're wrong.

[@ThursonJames]

Why is the pre-French killer of so many thousands of pre-Germans speaking German in this depiction?

[@mikewendland4982]

Because he was Karl Der Grosse!

[@roytofilovski9530]

The Franks were also a Germanic people.

[@2adamast]

He moved from Herstal to Aachen making him a first generation German migrant

[@ThursonJames]

@@roytofilovski9530 maybe you have information that I don’t have, but I think you’re wrong for the following reasons: 1) The current way to say “France” in the German language is “Frankreich” - the Kingdom of the Franks 2) French is a Romance language (as in from Rome) which is from Late Vulgar Latin. 3) Gaul is pre Frankish and that was Celtic. What do you have that I’m missing?

[@ThursonJames]

@@2adamast fair enough.

[@noahtylerpritchett2682]

I wish Charlemagne deported the Saxons to Britain instead of genociding them. We could of used more Saxon dna

[@sebe2255]

4500 isn’t that much

[@noahtylerpritchett2682]

@@sebe2255 better than 0

[@oriraykai3610]

Go to Russia. Nothing but there...

[@maleexile9053]

He did to women and children at least

[@12Italian_Catholic]

W charlemagne

[@BobSmith-ke4jg]

WTF is the point of the damn actors speaking French ,German or whatever? English is the universal language. We're looking at a damn reinactment so no point in them speaking a language that only one insignificant country speaks.

[@sebe2255]

Especially when it is not even the way they would have actually spoken. Modern German and French make about as much sense as English

[@iraqwarveteran470]

one of the main reasons, genius boy, is that it was filmed in Germany by germans. you think americans are the only assholes who make documentaries?

[@BobSmith-ke4jg]

@@sebe2255 Good point.

[@BobSmith-ke4jg]

@@iraqwarveteran470 Just the good ones, Capt. Obvious, and danke für Ihre dienstleistung.

[@iraqwarveteran470]

@@BobSmith-ke4jg du bist eine lustiger. danke dir auch!

[@CasperScott-qq6ip]

No context.

[@estatesales9818]

26:53 WTF I hate Anglo docu-series. The BBC classics were so amazing compared to this trash.

[@benitomontemayor873]

My family: Visigoths, Burgundian, Spanish Conquistadors, Native American Floridian Seminole. Hunter gatherers, slave keepers, slaves themselves like me. (Currently own a 2005 Corolla that’s for the Green commercial.)

[@pentegarn1]

That's how our Saxon family ended up being converted....by force. It's only embraced its pagan roots again since the 1980s. Never again!

[@Vladklx]

Cope😂

[@sebe2255]

The pagan roots it didn’t have from 900 till 2000, casually disregarding 1100 years of more direct ancestors lol

[@heathenhammer2344]

​@@Vladklxcope with failing Christianity.

[@clarenceorozco5300]

Paganism is a pretty dumb thing that still exist in the modern world (I'm not seeing this through a christian perspective btw)​@@heathenhammer2344

[@robertrobinson-9161]

Charlemagne was a nut case 🤪

[@leenyok85]

11,000 dead in gaza. what do you call that?

[@benjaminbauer2947]

Wow! A witch.

[@Fritz999]

Why call him Charlemagne? His name was Karl, nothing else.

[@sebe2255]

It was actually Sjarel

[@iraqwarveteran470]

i think that was frenchified. the germans today call him Karl der Grosse, or Karl the Great.

[@colleenshermer2017]

The Saxons were the tribe of dan, the northern kingdom, fighting the southern kingdom, Judah, Christianity

[@Sean-jc6cu]

😂 no, just no

[@oriraykai3610]

Wrong. The Franks were though.

[@jefferyeis9287]

Since Charlemagne was my 39th G Grandfather I must admit some level of prejudice, however, I am quite sure he had a perfectly good reason for doing all the things he did. It's easy to play Monday Morning Quarterback and judge after the fact, but I seriously doubt anyone from modern times would be able to go back and do a better job (if time travel were possible). If he had not been such a great leader, his name would have been lost in history, known only to scholars. The truly sad thing is, such greatness is no longer possible in today's world.

[@travisinthetrunk]

There’s never a “perfectly good reason” to slaughter 4,500 people.

[@92C201]

Stop justifying evil. What’s next in your logic, justifying Hitler. White folks like you are incorrigible aren’t you? Shameless.

[@shannonradford4057]

Hello cousin he was my 35th grandfather, as you know we connect to most ancient kingdoms through him. I sure enjoy genealogy and finding these amazing historical lines in family research makes history all the more amazing.

[@Vladklx]

@@travisinthetrunk But he bring civilization to these illiterate tribals..

[@MixerRenegade95]

@@Vladklx Hwaet is mid du?

[@karanmonza7534]

⏰⏳⌚📺

[@wewenang5167]

wait charlemagne speak german? I thought he was French?

[@noahtylerpritchett2682]

Franks came from Germany. They adopted Latin languages only after the 900s. The 700s he spoke Frankish. A Germanic tongue.

[@tibsky1396]

Anyway, there was neither French nor German as we understand it today. But he was a Salian Frank, like the "French" Nobles later, even when they began to speak in vulgar Latin. That is to say Romanized Germanic. Charlemagne still spoke an Old Frankish language (quite close to Old Dutch) as a vernacular, but strongly emphasized Latin as an administrative language, with the addition of the presence of the Gallo-Roman population, this gave birth to the French language, and to Occitan language in the south by the way, in the middle of the 8th century (Oath of Strasbourg).

[@sebe2255]

@@noahtylerpritchett2682 Most of thr Franks didn’t adopt a latin language and still speak Frankish today

[@noahtylerpritchett2682]

@@sebe2255 the Ripuri

[@sebe2255]

@@noahtylerpritchett2682 Yes them in Germany, sadly the German dialects are dying. Dutch is also Frankish (more Salien), and is the official language of a few countries. And the Netherlands still has more people speaking local Frankish dialects.

[@davidraley3239]

Do you understand how many people listen ONLY.? Yet you include non English content? Disliked

[@mistaman4638]

Well God wanted them to die, It was Gods will... So that that. !! Isnt religion fun !!!

[@kafon6368]

Pretty amusing tbh

[@Metacomet7]

Subtitles, blech. If I wanted to read I wouldn't be on KZbin.

[@aldeuce9106]

I don't mind sub-titles but seriously. Modern German?

[@2adamast]

Meanwhile I am here reading your comment

[@a.a.stines829]

@@aldeuce9106 Modern German because this is a German-made film. If you speak German the original film is called Karl der Große and has three parts.

[@sebe2255]

@@michaelmurdock4607 They’d speak Frankish, modern Dutch or some German dialects. Latin would also be used for church and official matters. Though even here Frankish and later High German and old French were used (depending on the kingdom).

[@spudspuddy]

shame no one has made a documentary in english, no one speaks this foreign rubbish

[@calcaleb7041]

It’s your European history 😂😂

[@robertrobinson-9161]

Charlemagne was a nut case 🤪

[@robertrobinson-9161]

Charlemagne was a nut case 🤪