Charles Ives - Central Park in the dark (Boston Symphony Orchestra, Seiji Ozawa)

[@jakecohen5739]

RIP maestro. One of the best Ives interpreters of all time

[@xtremenortherner]

Yes, RIP Il Maestro, you have left a great mark on modern classical music performances! (Also, you had the coolest hair in the business!)

[@gregmonks]

Seiji has the best conductors' hair in the business and he knows how to use it 😁

[@adrianwright8685]

Rattle is close

[@docbailey3265]

Go to Central Park one hot summer evening, ca. 1900. Listen to three different Dixie Land bands at the same time. Get drunk and start beating up on people for sport. Get whacked over the head by a beer bottle and lose consciousness for three hours. Wake up in the dark, splitting headache, and wonder what the hell happened. That, my friends, is the storyline to this fine work.

[@MrJdsenior]

You really should write a corresponding libretto and choral score...that was pretty well spot on.

[@markpaterson2053]

You know that's exactly what happened to Charles, and why he wrote this, right? lol

[@jakecohen5739]

@@markpaterson2053 That's not *exactly* what happened! the story that Ives is trying to depict is nighttime in the park, you hear snippets of ragtime coming from various bars and taverns along the edge of the park, and then a carriage horse gets spooked and crashes in the park. The "getting drunk and start beating up on people for sport" and the losing consciousness after getting taken out by a beer bottle is magical creative thinking, and as far as I know, there's no source to corroborate any of that (and I'm an Ives scholar...). If you do have a source, please provide!

[@markpaterson2053]

@@jakecohen5739 It was a joke

[@neilhaverstick1446]

Ives was one in a zillion, a genius of great proportions. And a real hoot as well.

[@markpaterson2053]

It depresses me when people laugh back at me whenever I mention Ives, especially when I mention how his genius was something Stravinsky recognized 30 years after the fact; they actually call me a liar. Hard to believe, isn't it, that he is STILL not appreciated? I have a theory about that: great artists often have to wait after posterity to be recognized, but Ives was so out there, so far ahead of the competition, that after a century people still don't get it. The Unanswered Question, written around the turn of the 20th Century should say it all; still sounds like something written tomorrow, as does Central Park in the Dark.

[@neilhaverstick1446]

@@markpaterson2053 Nothing to laugh about with Ives. Way ahead of the game. Get the book 'Charles Ives Remembered.' Lotsa anecdotes, many quite humorous.

[@markpaterson2053]

"Charles Ives Remembered" -- thanks. I love his quote on Mozart: "...too effeminite; a bad influence on music." Being such a genius, through a mere quoute he told me exactly why I could never get into Mozart, lol.

[@neilhaverstick1446]

@@markpaterson2053 Yup, not a Wolfie fan either. I call it deedle deedle music. Nicholas Slonimsky has a story about conducting an Ives piece. He conducted in 4/4 with one hand, 3/4 with the other. Wowie.

[@markpaterson2053]

@@neilhaverstick1446 Ha Ha, deedle deedle -- I think old wolfie (or young wolfie) would probably have appreciated that with a howling laugh (if his movie persona is anything to go by). I can't even imagine where to begin conduction Ives, even his simpler stuff; I'm a mere mortal

[@TreyPhillips19693]

This is FANTASTIC. R.I.P Seiji.

[@robertvarner9519]

Goddamn that was good. I love Ives.

[@markpaterson2053]

It depresses me when people laugh back at me whenever I mention Ives, especially when I mention how his genius was something Stravinsky recognized 30 years after the fact; they actually call me a liar. Hard to believe, isn't it, that he is STILL not appreciated? I have a theory about that: great artists often have to wait after posterity to be recognized, but Ives was so out there, so far ahead of the competition, that after a century people still don't get it. The Unanswered Question, written around the turn of the 20th Century should say it all; still sounds like something written tomorrow, as does Central Park in the Dark.

[@chriscollins1525]

Not just Stravinsky but Schoenberg too.

[@markpaterson2053]

@@chriscollins1525 It also depresses me that people think pop music is actually more widespread than classical; typical small-world thinking, if you consider the whole planet, classical is definitely most prominent (shame that this truth somehow means that you, I and others who know this are apparently snobs, despite me literally growing up in a ghetto in Newcastle).

[@JavierT.151]

​@@chriscollins1525También Bartók. El primer movimiento de su Música para cuerda, percusión y celesta (1936) es muy parecido a Central Park In The Dark (1906).

[@isolateddemon9438]

Amazing vibes😀

[@RoxxorzYourBoxxorz]

for the disinterested in decorum, the piece begins at right about 0:45

[@franciscolima5793]

CHARLES IVES É DE UMA SUTILEZA INCRÍVEL PARABÉNS 👏👏👏👏🇧🇷🇧🇷

[@scribe570]

I heard "Hello My Honey, Hello My Baby, Hello My Ragtime Gal"! Published in 1899.

[@chriscollins1525]

Bartokian 5:56 5:58

[@JeremyPickett]

...how many people in the world would even know what that means o_0. I'll see you in eastern Europe, stat :D

[@extraterrestrial7424]

It does indeed sound a little bit like Stravinski. Or the other way round, should I say.

[@seyunyunikim]

6:26

[@wilkinsmusicfl4141]

I came here to pay tribute to Phil Lesh. RIP

[@thomaskorschil8460]

1992

[@Dylonely_9274]

3:07

[@emmanuelbarks5896]

Is this the original or the 1936 revision?

[@adrianwright8685]

Yes

[@Dylonely_9274]

No

[@Dylonely_9274]

Terrifying.

[@topsecret1837]

That’s what’d you feel out of the context of what’s playing here.

[@ひでとしすぎはら]

are you❤❤😂🎉 、😊😊😊 、😊😊😊

[@goblinhairedguy]

Only Morricone came close.

[@ひでとしすぎはら]

コンディション、

[@joeenglert]

i wionder why they didnt use their principal wind players? that st clarinetist is not very good

[@MrJdsenior]

Ives always sounds like an orchestra tuning up that somehow got into sync, mostly, rhythmically. Just sayin'. Not my cup of tea, but for anyone that likes it, have at it, I guess. There are 'out there' composers that I like, at least some of what they've done, but this is a bit to esoteric for my apparently pedestrian, plebeian taste...that, or my reasonable, informed taste, your call. -)

[@camberr]

You don't have to like it. Not all Ives is my cup of tea either, but I think you have to admit the fact he was doing so many things before anyone else is commendable (whether or not you think those musical developments were any good).

[@MrJdsenior]

I can admit that. Just because you take a dead end road in physics, for example, doesn't mean that you can't learn a lot from the trip. And uniqueness is one thing I actually value in music, but it has limits, for me. Creativity like say, Bobby McFerrin's or Jacob Collier's is refreshing. I don't lie all of Jacob's stuff either, but some of it I very much do. Agree on Ives, too, but there I have at least found a few passages I like. It's not like my opinion matters, anyway. In fact, nobody's does, in the grand scheme of things, long term. The entire human race wont, either. :-) @@camberr

[@thomaslaubli1886]

@@MrJdsenior This piece doesn't have much to do with tuning up at all. Only unmusical people discover something like that here. There is a lot of atmosphere here, a ragtime sounds from a bar and there is a brief argument before the night's rest returns to Central Park. In contrast, Bobby McFerrin or Jacob Collier have nothing to offer artistically. They make music that could just as easily have been produced by AI. I prefer genuine creativity, which cannot be replaced by AI and is what makes up the human spirit.

[@jakecohen5739]

No need to self-deprecate or say that your taste is pedestrian or plebeian. Ives is WEIRD, and you can not like him without assuming there's something wrong with your taste! In fact, I'd wager most people probably don't really like Ives.

[@thomaslaubli1886]

@@jakecohen5739 What is a matter of taste is not necessarily healthy. Just because hamburgers and fries are considered a normal meal in the USA, it does not justify the standard of taste. Ives is an ear-opener, forcing those who are full of Entertainment fat to slim down again. Such a radical cure is good for those who prefer to stuff themselves with harmonious dozen-items and lose their mental agility in the process.

[@Dylonely_9274]

8:20