Charlie Kirk CONFRONTED By Intelligent College Student (HEATED DEBATE)

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[@xJayhawkFANx]

I made 117k last year as an electrical distribution system operator. Im not even topped out yet. No degree required. 30 years old. No debt. I support my wife and my two kids on my income alone and my wife is a stay at home mom. Thank GOD I did not go to college. I probably couldnt afford the house we live in now if I had

[@johnnymatteis3452]

are they hiring?

[@xJayhawkFANx]

@@johnnymatteis3452 they hire 10ish people every 4-6ish months. You come in as a contractor making $25ish/hr. Then go through the training and if you succeed, you'll get hired on full time with the company. Starting pay after getting hired on full time is around 80k a year.

[@Johnjackjack]

Translation i made 117k last year in a union which gets 1000 of applictions for 20 jobs and i work at the toped position within my comapny except for my foremen and managers

[@Johnjackjack]

@@johnnymatteis3452 good luck getting in its probably under the IBEW union which gets thousands of applications for 20 spots

[@xJayhawkFANx]

@@Johnjackjack Not union and we don't have a lot of applicants because people don't know about the job. We actually have recruiters who reach out to people trying to get people because we are under staffed. There are also many different avenues to go allowing you to increase your salary even further. Everything you said is basically false. Also, I'm not even topped out in my position. I still get a 6% raise once I pass the rest of my training classes this year. There's also no Foremans. It's not a construction job. Literally anyone can apply and have a decent chance of getting hired on as a contractor. But they weed applicants out via a testing process before becoming a contactor.

[@areyouawake1805]

It's easier to fool someone than to convince them they have been fooled. Mark Twain

[@whitewidow9046]

The second that kid said he didnt have to pay for coledge it made all the sense right there lmao charlie took the words out of my mouth. No one knows like debt feels like untill youve got it standing in your way.

[@rickyeldiablo800]

The reason there are multiple job avenues made available to the public without the need of tertiary education is due to people with a higher education facilitating those pathways in the first place

[@ajpicaso36]

You're giving too much credit to the institution rather than the individual effort. Bill gates, Steve Jobs and Marc Zuckerberg all attended universities and dropped out and became billionaires. I don't think any of them would attribute their success to where they attended.

[@jagdeepsingh1255]

So according to Kirk, a person going to college for free shouldn't defend going to college

[@carlitocartel8797]

This guy just likes to hear himself talk he's ignorant to alot of things

[@jeffisnot2826]

No he's saying people attending for free should appreciate the life crippling debt you can't escape from for students who were trained to think you have to go to college to have a career.

[@leegrulke5383]

Ever since the 10 year, Obama recession there has been an enormous deficit of persons working in the skilled trades. It's a great place to spend a career and to retire with excellent benefits. Charlie Kirk would succeed in nearly any path that he would have chosen with, or without, a college education. Good for him!

[@chunkymonkeysteadyfunky]

@@jeffisnot2826A lot of us can pay off our entire debt in 1 year of starting salary cause we’re going for jobs that pay 200k plus a year with straight A’s.

[@anonymous_user_17]

Ok liberal ​@@carlitocartel8797

[@brandonwhite8996]

I've gotta say that I agree with Charlie Kirk in most of his videos, but in this one, it's pretty clear that he's the one being defensive.

[@Magazinelady]

I think part of it was because he was interrupted often. He couldn't finish making his point. He had to say, "Let me finish."

[@justicefora11]

​@@MagazineladyCharlie's in defensive because he contradicts himself. He said "you guys are willingly participating in the scam, good for you" but he also says college is a scam because it doesn't let its students know of its course structure so the students unwillingly participate. Those are mutually exclusive.

[@FenrirLupo]

@@justicefora11 Watch the video carefully. When he asked who knew, there were a couple of hand raised, so he responded specifically to those guys.

[@justicefora11]

@@FenrirLupo It's hard to tell, from the angle the video was taken, how many people actually raised their hands. It could've been the half of the audience or just a few. But Charlie also claims that the half of college graduates ends up working at a job that does not require a college degree in many videos but that also means the other half works at a job that does require a college degree. As long as colleges don't claim all of their graduates work at a job that requires a college degree, college education is not a scam. They don't make such claims, at least most of them don't. On the other hand, Charlie pushes this false claim all the time without evidence. That may make him a scam according to his logic.

[@danielzam931]

​@@Magazineladywell he was cutting off the student as well. If you listened to Kirk without bias, he is just yapping about jobs that don't require college degrees without addressing the students arguements.

[@liammckeown8765]

I enlisted in the Marine Corps out of high school, in an MOS that was more than applicable in the civilian world. While serving I used T/A to obtain an Associates and then when I left used half of my GI bill benefits to finish my bachelors degree. The jobs I had available to me with that degree were substantially better than those without one. College is not for everyone, but to call it a scam is oversimplifying the issue

[@CK-hp2tv]

I also enlisted in the corps, but I don’t agree it’s an oversimplification simply because most people who go to college aren’t getting their moneys worth, Kirk isn’t talking about for people who’s going to college for STEM he’s talking about the 80% who isn’t and half of that end up dropping out anyways while the other other half of that 80 are getting degrees ain’t worth shit

[@stuartkelly2411]

I left school at fifteen with no qualification now i own my own business,house and cat at 37 🐈

[@nicoletassin7307]

You rock!!

[@magicsaint]

Good for you. Not everyone wants to start a business you know.

[@tombastable2387]

What's your Cats name?

[@Sanxioned1]

Hurray! Good for you! Now kindly remember that a) anecdotes are not enough evidence to discredit centuries of higher education and b) the vast majority of the public would trust someone credentialed depending on what the job is. Last I checked, there are few if not zero surgeons who are, you know, self taught.

[@aimsmallcq1218]

Your cat never went to college and lives in a free home with free food with zero college debt. I'm so glad your cat can't vote for free anything.

[@johnbunten5844]

Yep I went to college, graduated with a degree in business and I work as an electrician making more money than all of my friends

[@StevenZeller-eh7yr]

I passed on college scholarship and did construction. I was also an electrician for 3 years. I knew I wanted to work with my hands.

[@arnoldfernandes7015]

The real question is, did you go to college with the intention to actually learn something or did you go because everyone else does for whatever reason. No one forces you to go to college. You’re right to some extent, yes it is possible to be successful without going to one but don’t make it sound like you were held captive there, it was your own choice and you made that decision that you now regret.

[@MrAmenoera]

@@arnoldfernandes7015 ''learning'', more like brainwash bs

[@juannavarro3620]

i was an electrician for 14yrs, when to college got my degree in design engineer, and now i make more than 2x then i made as an electrician. And only work 4 days a week.

[@Sanxioned1]

Yes, because "all of your friends" is a great metric to determine whether all of college is a scam. I have one of those too! ALL of my friends earn over 140k and ALL went to university and are using those degrees in management positions that require very specific knowledge. Is college no longer a scam because my anecdote trumps your anecdote?

[@Sanxioned1]

Kirk's arguments are grossly flawed. He assumes that because employers have lowered their standards, therefore the previous standard was necessarily bad. This is fallacious -- as someone who has hired people in the past, we lowered some requirements simply to increase the number of applicants. Also, if the job itself does not need those specific requirements, then why would I want to pay someone more? I have my master's degree only because my career path requires one. If I just wanted to serve coffee, I'd have no need for the degree; I could in my free time learn what I wanted to learn. If I went to Starbucks with a masters, they'd likely not hire me because they don't want to potentially argue with me about getting higher pay for being more educated. So much of his argument is based on a deeply flawed premise. So while valid, his argument is not sound.

[@leod3338]

bro theres 0 point in even breaking down his arguments because of their inconsistency. He loves bringing up the 3 right wing economists that he read about on wikipedia the night before and gets mad at the kid for laughing at him for not knowing gauss like come on lmao

[@infernalspy0176]

He’s talking about the people doing drama and communications where the expected value of the degree is very low. He’s right in saying that most college degrees shouldn’t exist. It should mostly be the likes of STEM and a few humanities courses.

[@crypt1d550]

​@@leod3338braind dead you are

[@jeffisnot2826]

You said it your "career path requires one". How many psych, gender studies, journalists majors are gonna be protesting about their debt because of the cattle herd of educated idiots?

[@tome6023]

@@infernalspy0176 As if anyone is held at gunpoint to attend college. As if prior research into the most important few years of your life is illegal? I don't get it. If college is useless, then don't go. But don't start downgrading its worth with certain anecdotes because it will negatively influence the views of those who may go on to become professionals.

[@johnquick4880]

Aspiring doctors in the US are looking at a 1.2 million dollar student loan fee to pay back! word to the wise

[@kevinburrowes7743]

and they are making less and less these days because of the insurance companies,

[@jimshorts6751]

And it never ends ! Doctors have to continually pay out for new seminars on updated techniques. It's not a scam with them until you sock it to them with that bill. Once upon a time a doctor or lawyer could take on 1 student and train them to the point of passing finals or the BAR. For lawyers, it was called "reading the law." Basic first 2 years should be done like this until the student figures out 1. If they like it, or 2. What specialty they would like to follow. Then go to college. The levels of divorce, alcoholism/drug abuse, and suicide with the medical field is atrocious. We need to give people the time to breathe.

[@2_572]

​@@jimshorts6751oh wow...

[@jeffisnot2826]

Learn abroad or go into plastic surgery lol.

[@yetekt6953]

Lmao no they’re not

[@carlosmontes4511]

Bro getting cooked by a 20 year old 😂😂

[@jeffisnot2826]

Not even in the slightest. He name dropped to sound smart and then equivocates that higher education has the same function from 50 to 100yrs ago. He's just a self important jackass.

[@xJayhawkFANx]

We must not be watching the same video

[@fuckgoogle9061]

​@@xJayhawkFANxmust not be because kirk gets cooked by any well spoken intelligent student. He's a fast talking air head

[@laserwizard2]

College didn't teach me about time management or discipline. I had to develop that on my own and still had a GPA of 3.75 in both of my majors. I worked three jobs and took full class load and was the captain of my college debate team on the road 12 times per year. I gave up sleep and partying. But I paid for most of my college tuition before I left school.

[@hesper7354]

and after 20-30 years you'll be having a cardiovascular disease

[@isleofcats9052]

You missed out on a lot of fun but I hope you have a fulfilling life - you can still party now I guess, break out the cocaine

[@achinthmurali5207]

Amazing. What were your majors in? And what are you doing now?

[@christinaweinmangeriatrics1689]

In my profession I don’t need a degree if the experience is there but, I do have a degree in the profession and it was so very easy because I was working in the field and I was doing the work that I had to do in my classes every day in my job. I am very happy to have my degree but, it’s not a requirement to do what I do

[@roozief9349]

Yet he still owns this crying little school boy

[@ajpicaso36]

The US is 7x more "Educated" now vs the 1960s. just let that sink in.

[@DesertMouse298]

Where is the original video? Do you have a link?

[@rileymyers1661]

I’m 3 out of 4 children and I’m the only one that didn’t go to college and make a lot more money and better benefits

[@Mellyboowhowho]

Yep, I have 2 cousins, 1 graduated college, the other only graduated high school. Both made the same amount of money. I see it at my job all the time, those with degrees make at most 21.00 an hour.

[@isleofcats9052]

Do you think the era matters? Do you think nowadays it's more 'required' to have a college degree? Asking as an uninformed non-higher-educated Brit

[@fuckgoogle9061]

That means nothing though. People using small sample sizes seem to think that instantly makes it true on a larger scale. Of my closest friends the top 5 highest earners are all graduates with masters or higher, the only one that even comes close is a friend that is a master welder and spent just as much being certified, apprenticing, etc in welding as they did on college

[@jvostudio]

No way should a someone be qualified to call college a scam when you haven’t finished college yourself

[@kevinburrowes7743]

you fell for the scam, so you want other to be victims too?

[@bigdraco4712]

@@kevinburrowes7743Most of his arguments are flawed and he proceeds to talk about having debate culture when he is one who constantly interrupts and avoids questions he clearly has no answer to. If u didn’t go to college and are insecure abt it just say that

[@jeffisnot2826]

​@@bigdraco4712more like you have a superiority complex. Nice story bud.

[@xccept_]

i mean he went to college thats enough to know something is a scam or not, with your argument its like saying you cant say all criminals are bad unless you have been robbed by one yourself.

[@magicsaint]

The college's job is to teach fundamentals and not to make you job-ready. If you want a high-paying job, companies ask for a degree to show not just qualification of knowledge but also determination. Charlie Kirk's argument misrepresents what college is all about and ignores the reality of the job market. Not everyone wants to be business owners or podcasters. Besides who really wants a job like Kirk as a propaganda nutjob who berates people all day long with what he considers unacceptable. Others want to build things for the future and better tomorrow rather than bash people all day long on a microphone.

[@howardmcginniss6663]

How does college show determination in the workplace? I have a question for you does college give people a sense of entitlement?

[@magicsaint]

@@howardmcginniss6663 Determined people complete 4 years of learning and excelling. It is one of the criteria I as an employer measure besides accomplishments on their CV. When you do not know anything about the candidates, educational background helps to understand their level of learning for starting positions. Employers do not have the time nor want to invest resources in training candidates if they do not have some fundamentals in place. And maybe it gives some educated people sense of entitlement. But what has that got to do with education and work itself? Not everyone feels this way you know.

[@v.kipgen8732]

​@@magicsaintLol .....one can easily graduate from a college without much determination.

[@magicsaint]

@@v.kipgen8732 good for you

[@v.kipgen8732]

@@magicsaint Kids can literally get a degree by doing a couple of all nighters.🤣

[@sean-anthonyroberts9803]

Charlie if you went to college you’d know you pick classes in you major or individual college inside of the University

[@Mellyboowhowho]

He’s talking about the prerequisites are a scam. In my state, you have to go to 2 yrs of prerequisites and then after that, you can take the classes towards your actual degree. Of course, if the classes are open.

[@tome6023]

@@Mellyboowhowho Any knowledge in general shouldn't be labelled a scam. Thats disrespectful to those who fought and died wishing they could have lived in peaceful times and gained an education. Too much freedom can sometimes make one forget about the hard times their ancestors had to go through.

[@xccept_]

cap when i went to uni for comp science I was forced to fill my schedule with unneeded classes and prerequisites that don't make sense, tell me as a comp science major why I needed to take humanities, history, physical LAB, communications, 2 english classes, algebra, calc 2. etc the list went on from there to but I had so many unneeded classes I cant even remember it, meanwhile I had 25 other comp science classes I needed to take, not only that but the way my school was setup for registering, sometimes you wont even get access to ur majoring class because you cant register till lets say 4pm meanwhile I'm seeing my class seat ability drop. Not only that but my general ed classes I was FORCED to take gave me more work than my majoring class which was super stressful especially with a part time job which made me not work on my majoring class work as often or to exhausted to do it at the end. ITS SYSTEM MADE TO TAKE YOUR MONEY AND WEAR YOU DOWN.

[@Mellyboowhowho]

@@xccept_ 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽

[@K4NDI_XD]

I saw a 5 min version in an ad and I just HAD to watch the rest of this mess of a debate 😭

[@collsromeo]

Where does he find these clips please ?

[@vegasdirtpusher1124]

I run heavy equipment in Vegas, I almost finished nursing school, couldn’t pass the TEAS exam. Made $108 000 running equipment.

[@connorbert9611]

Man I need to find something like this

[@Sanxioned1]

Probably best you didn't end up as a nurse then.

[@mystickabuganj]

That's the point people run for money. Scholars care only for their basic needs but wanna research that's the difference

[@peanutbutterandpickles7860]

College graduates don’t make as much as me and I never took a class. So no dept to pay back means my money is mine….besides taxes 😂

[@anshjayara]

can you be a doctor without going to college?

[@davidc.]

Statistically, they make more on average than those who don't go.

[@MKGD314]

How do you know this? Lmao you’re just talking.

[@typekkleks4013]

Exceptions are a thing. College increases the chances of you getting a hgiher payed job in the future. It doesnt guarantee it. Statistically people with a college degree earn much more on average than people without degrees.

[@myworld4257]

@@anshjayaraI think it depends on the career you persuit, I think this world has to balance in order to to function properly, we need one another to build this world, of course we need intellectuals and scientists in order to solve complex problems and create complex systems, we also need the the laborer to build it, we need the labor to maintain it, we don’t need everyone to be Isaac Newton or a genius, we use our integrity to thrive as a society

[@elliemae8025]

I work in research and don't use any of my physics or mathematics in my job

[@MKGD314]

Literally on you. That doesn’t make college a scam it shows that you were unable to utilize what you wasted your time on.

[@venkatarahulsatyam5643]

wtf do you research mate ?

[@isleofcats9052]

@@venkatarahulsatyam5643 could be psychology perhaps, or I don't know

[@venkatarahulsatyam5643]

@@isleofcats9052 he said phsycis and maths .... i am just wondering what he is researching

[@danielzam931]

What field of research are you working? Unless it is physcis or mathematics, then you will rarely need them. If it is, then I am 100 percent positive you are just a hired to assist those leading the research.

[@marcuse.4946]

Sounds like the issue lies with the people who apply for further education when they didn’t need it in the first place… Do your research, save your money potentially and go get your job 💪

[@alittlemadd]

The problem is people going to college without a plan on what they want to with there degree

[@johnsmithdoe3718]

*their

[@isleofcats9052]

I studied business in college (UK college, 16-18 years old) and have no intention of ever using that knowledge, I am a firm believer in people getting into work after high school, or 6th form in the UK, and if they end up in a career that they're interested in then go and do some training to solidify your career. I didn't acquire a career until age 27.

[@aotcl9568]

Charlie doesn’t realize that more than 50% of taxes go to the military lol he thinks all his taxes goes to subsidized college tuitions. He’s so dumb whahahha

[@paranoiddroid9570]

That do be true. We need at least a decent military budget though as China and Russia will not comply with lowering their standards. With that being said, college is too expensive and not everyone gets equal opportunity to scholarship away that tuition. College is too expensive and with a constant rising home market, average American income is becoming less proportionate. So now paying off those debts takes immensely longer than it did a decade ago.

[@jeffisnot2826]

Good chunk goes out of the county. Ripping kids off for gender studies degrees can be fixed and actually helps Americans.

[@squidward6187]

Years ago I went with my ex who was doing his Phd to a 1 hour workshop about getting a job after completion of a Phd. There was no facts, no statistics, no data, no evidence of any kind. Just him reassuring them that they'll get a job. The whole time I'm sitting there like, "how are they buying this?" My ex was a narcissist (he wouldn't allow us to break up and I was a complete pushover) so I knew that if I told him that was bs he'd get mad at me because he obviously found it comforting. Thank God people are finally talking about this enormous scam.

[@Emed2099]

I'm sure your ex is very successful while you're still talking about his college experience lol

[@eileenquijano5833]

College and education in my country teach hardwork and responsibility. We value education because we know that it's what we'll help us become better citizens. So, may I suggest that you change the slogan to "College in the US is a SCAM" instead to make it a lot clearer. Plus, we don't incur any debt after graduation.

[@howardmcginniss6663]

Please explain to me why Charlie is wrong when this kid clearly accepted that 25% of the people who attended become doctors and lawyers?

[@badbunnyfan8271]

25% is still a lot🤣

[@badbunnyfan8271]

Now how many people who only read books and listen to podcasts become doctors and lawyers?

[@Sanxioned1]

Tell me you don't understand how percentages work without telling me you don't understand how percentages work, lol. You might not need college, but maybe a refresher in grade 6 math? Or grade 3 if you're in South Asia somewhere.

[@Olios12]

It’s one fourth that’s a lot, don’t go making claims like “oh you don’t know how to do sixth grade math” your one to talk

[@tome6023]

Because its tainting the perception of college for the younger generation, and we are in desperate need of more professionals in the workforce. Its not fair and quite frankly a sinister attempt to delegitimize one of if not the most important entity in society. You cannot simply throw the cheap blanket statement of "college is a scam" without considering the consequences of a potential declining medical workforce in the future etc.

[@dietjeffrey]

3:42 Every person Charlie names here went to college or university

[@davidzafrir9904]

Full video please?

[@leegrulke5383]

As a fellow Wheeling High School grad and member of its first full 4 year graduation class, I support Charlie Kirk! 😂 As a Chemical Engineering student at a Big 10 university, I took mathematics courses up to and including Advanced Differential Equations as well as Organic Chemistry, Physical Chemistry, Physics and ChE classes nearly to the point of exhaustion. . Haven't used any of it since I graduated, but my knowledge of mathematics, the sciences, and engineering principles have been extremely beneficial. College is simply about learning how to learn and to be inspired to remain a lifelong learner. You don't need a college degree to become a lifelong learner. I never felt that my parents owed me a college education.i financed 90% of my education, paid out of state tuition, took maximum loans, and quickly paid them off. 10 years after graduation, it's only about professional accomplishment. Back then, nobody cared if I was Democrat or Republican. Personal boundaries were respected. Our doors remained open to anyone interested enough to walk in. I feel sorry for students today as they face different challenges. I would have been devastated to have had any portion of my education interrupted by COVID. FIGHT WHEELING WILDCATS!

[@dietjeffrey]

7 minutes of Charlie Kirk complaining about how policies that he supports have made it unsustainable for zoomers to go through school

[@FrettingProductions]

They should teach a classical education in schools like the best private schools do, they teach you how to learn, how to find evidence and weigh evidence, how to remember, put pieces together and how to argue your case it basically teaches you how to learn and hoe to understand any subject, going where the evidence takes instead of cherry picking evidence to fit press had conclusions. At university you should be uncovering your own evidence, learning yourself, what you pay for is for there to be someone there to guild you, help you if you are struggling, help you get to know people in the industry and help give you opportunities, not just wasting your time and money teaching you how to be an activist for the tutors cause they say have to be your own.

[@Sanxioned1]

You've been watching too much youtube, man. You have.. GONE to university, right? I did 5 years of it and never was I told HOW to think. We engaged with data, learned various theories (yes, including long debunked ones like Sowell's super vague and unoriginal concerns) and were invited to critique and investigate on our own. The only caveat was mainly that our sources should be peer reviewd, which makes sense. Why should a professor read a paper that sources..... Charlie Kirk, for example? He is not a scholar, a researcher, a original thinker, or anything of the sort. He would never pass peer-review.

[@carsonwhitney4100]

Medical school in law school isn’t regular college

[@johnfish8394]

You are right you have to go to college before you got to med or law school. What is your point?

[@Sanxioned1]

You are committing a no true scotsman fallacy. Like muslims who say hamas aren't "real" muslims. Or christians who say the KKK aren't "real" christians. Newsflash, yes they are, they're just also terrible.

[@casuallybad7019]

Sure are a.lot of charlie meatriders in here 😅

[@Ceejayski]

And that's why you're here

[@FrettingProductions]

Some degrees are good like maths science, engineering, mathematics and with them you can go into industry but the problem is instead of just the very smartest people going to university like it was everyone can go and doing subject with no use outside activism, that is a scam. Even those who study stem subjects are so numerous that only the best will actually get a job in the field they studied, when we only sent the very smartest they had jibs waiting for them, they could be given a better education and achieve things. Now there's a lot of wasted time and money at college now and these young people don't even want you push their ideas and grow they just want to hear only what they already believe, it the colleges largely pushing activism instead of education and pushing useless activist subjects with no productive jobs. Years ago only the smartest when college, they could have a better education because there's more time and money for each student. Other people went trade schools and learnt the very trades we have a shortage of and the very trades that gave them the ability to earn a good living or even start a business and make a lot of money and a lot of decent jobs were open to people without a degree where they could learn on the job, do well, get promoted but now you are expected to have a degree to sort files in an office and often a degree that has nothing to do with th job. I went to university to study chemistry and the rate of learning was so slow I feel I would have been better off working in a lab as an assistant and go to college maybe 2 days a week to be set work to do and guidance as to what to learn and help in I didn't understand something, now it just bums on seats to collect the tuition fee in the future I'm afraid, its such a shame if you don't have a great teacher and some very good talent for the subject and push you own learning and hardwork it is a scam, to just turn up to maybe four hours of lectures spread though the week and that's if the tutor turns up for them all, if you just turn up and that's about it you are being scammed Charlie is right

[@mrericrossify]

An athlete could train to be a pro athlete on their own but whats the likelihood they will be competitive with professional athletes who have had rigorous structured training and similarly thats what you hope to get at college but its your choice to go or not its up to you

[@bytetc]

And there are good reasons why Charlie Kirks pick unprepared young students as debate rivals...

[@gallofilm]

really adding a lot to the video over there man

[@Magazinelady]

The other thing is for some professions the college education is very expensive and the ROI is terrible. Social Work comes to mind. I can remember when I was job searching after graduate school, I came across some jobs that sounded interesting. You look at the requirements and the pay and it was crazy. I can't remember specific jobs. But I would have either needed to have doubled majored or taken several minors for very little starting pay. To one of Charlie's points. I know several people who majored in a subject and work in a completely different field. They often times make better money than if they had worked in their original field. My father told me at a young age a degree shows a perspective employer that you can learn. You start with a base point. The company would teach you what you needed to know to work there. This was for people getting a job that was different than their major. Completing a degree shows a level of commitment.

[@fistofren3483]

Many fail a few times when they search for their profession. The college is not to blame for anything but the system behind it is. Why do prople in the USA have to pay such ridicolous ammounts of money for their education? That's the real issue here....

[@Kagura-ye5sl]

It is not the responsibility of the institution to ensure that you're job ready -- That onus is entirely on the student by teaching themselves the required soft-skills, I would in fact argue a lot of it is a generational thing, rather than an institutional thing. The only thing I would grant is that in a lot of cases most people simply won't earn enough to offset the amount of debt they've accumulated, or even more-so the gains don't justify the debt. But then these things also happen regardless of whether you do or don't. So arguing it as being a scam only works in a vacuum argument, as once you get in the realm of not going to college, then you end up in rougher spots where you need to be more self-disciplined, and be able to be autodidactic, which is not a skill all graduates have, so even then... An individual that earns, say, the average of a plumber even with a degree, could still earn substantially less than if they were to never have gone college of university in the first place.

[@p-from-da-blade2803]

lol I can’t understand a word this guy saying I think he got a crooked eye tell him stop pausing the movie 😅haha

[@tombastable2387]

Any person born after 1998 when they are loosing an argument: "Your so racist"

[@connorbert9611]

No any democrat when they are losing an argument

[@shirothr5384]

Any person born before 1980 when they're losing an argument: Y'know, back in my day. . .

[@tombastable2387]

@@shirothr5384 thank god I'm born 1990 and I'm not like either bunch of pussies.

[@bryan0016]

My girlfriend went to college got a student loan and got a masters in engineering and now she is 200,000 in debt. My highest education is high school and I’m a truck driver I have 3,800 debt. She has a close friend who also went to college for a degree in idk what but he has 100,000 debt and they both tell me it wasn’t worth it with all the debt they obtained from going to college. Always thought it made you a idiot if you couldn’t get into college but now I feel like a genius lol

[@fuckgoogle9061]

Sounds like they just aren't into their fields or terrible at finding jobs. I know an engineer that was 100k in debt too, he built an industrial sewer pump design and is now worth about 200 mil of the patent and design.

[@rickyeldiablo800]

Charlie Kirk trying to convince people that college is a scam when he’s never been to college is hilarious

[@barrett796]

Loud incorrect buzzer*

[@camvick407]

Wow what a take

[@ckins2423]

I went to college a history major and business minor worked corporate for a few years now serve in the millitary and do over seas contracting on the side. I don’t use my degrees at all.

[@Sanxioned1]

...so because interests change....college is a scam. Great logic; did you learn from Kirk? Also, I guarantee you the level of thought and research required to do effective contract work is enhanced by the practice you did in college. People assume that 100% of education must be in and of itself directly applicable to a specific unique situation in life. That's not how education works. You will probably never have to determine the weight of 200 watermelons, yet Math class will ask us these questions to exercise the SKILL of multiplication and our understanding of mass.

[@danielzam931]

College is not a scam. Earlier forms of educational institutions and society have failed to taught us that college degree is not necessary for certain jobs. Note that it is not every job because there are so many that require college degrees such as being scientists, computer engineers, lawyers, doctors, and many more. We were young when we went to college and as a result we didn't really know what to do. Some did but later turned out that they were not smart enough, had motivation or discipline. And some learned they liked other studies more than what they initially liked. To make it simple, there are two different types of students: those who are exploring and those who are set on what they will to do after graduation. Those who are exploring and don't know what they want to do by the time they graduate are those who will just acquire any degree and go to work in places that accept them or pay the most. Many of this type are the ones who shout that college is a scam because their current jobs don't need college degree. On the other hand, those who know what they want to do will go into the field where they actually studied for. I have seen my peers who made 200k right after college to 50k. Again not every major or career is created equal in pay. Some are acceptable of low pays as long as they love their careers. Like the kid in the video said, there are studies that require college education. College is not a scam but the society is in making you think that you need to go to college right after highschool. You should only go to college when you what to study something and go into careers that requires college degree.

[@venkatarahulsatyam5643]

yes someone finally understands the problem

[@xccept_]

The way the institutions are now built is a scam they are more worried about taking your money than letting you learn, an important thing charlie brought up is taking random classes that your forced to take. They are more worried about being politically correct and getting money than giving you a good teaching system. yes if you work ur ass off then your making the most out of it, doesn't make it any less of a scam you just went through with learning to get the degree but at the end of the day the school got 1 or 2 extra years of your time, and they gained thousands of dollars more from you

[@eduardoaranha4483]

I think the kid argued badly, people go to college to have a better opportunity in life, to get connections, some people don’t want to work as plumbers, some people want a higher paying job. I think the point that is forgotten is that, you have to work hard, it doesn’t matter your job, your have to work hard to be successful. And if you work hard and have a degree, you are way more likely to succeed.

[@waterboi4846]

All these peeps are just human being. Everyone makes mistakes and not every knows everything. One thing is for certain, none of them can change anything lol

[@Vince_86]

Truth is most people have talents that just don't need college. Most people do not have money for college. Not to mention a ton of foreigners are making it to college more than actual Americans. There's many gaps in this debate and I don't think it's wise to just side with the kid who has barely lived a real life yet. I mean that kid would shit a brick at any kind of real confrontation. Life is real for most people and Eddie's are a thing. I will never ever overlook people that are barely making in favor of people with a silver spoon up their ass. Most these college kids think their part time job at Starbucks is a real job... I mean cmon now. Nah Charlie may be wrong on some things but that kid is living in bliss on a cloud. Sorry for my incorrect grammar, I didn't go to college so I don't have the 'my balls haven't dropped yet' voice.

[@MrMooPow]

How did I end up here

[@jessicacoates1611]

He did not own Charlie. He’s missing the point

[@jimshorts6751]

BS. I learned CoBol programming language in my own time the last 2hrs of the day in high school. It was worthless within 5 years. I learned Basic, C++ on my own. Im not an engineer, but i can tell you how far you can bore an engine block before its garbage. I can read and code car ECM's and its Bus system. All without college. I was taught to use a tape measure at 5 and use one every day since. I can add, subtract, and multiply fractions in my head, and i hate math. I can do the same with decimals when measuring engine tolerances. Skills are taught, and they can be learned easily, if you were taught early how to learn for yourself . Forget history and English, i was 3 years beyond college levels in 6th grade. I taught my sons, now they surpass me in every metric. One is a lineman, and the other works in defense communications... all learned on the job. Im not the only one, many of the kids i grew up with have similar skills without college. My best friend is a plumber and is about to retire debt free. College is needed for 20% of high school graduates. Most others need trade schools if they aren't taught by a family member, and fewer still need nothing and will pick up most of what they need on the job. Your argument is from a completely different POV. Learn to turn some wrenches on your own, diagnose your next car or home issue. I bet you the plumber you call makes more with less debt than you currently do. Just sayin'.🤷‍♂️

[@Sanxioned1]

Defense communications with no qualifications or credentials? Calling BS on that, bud. I do agree that yes, everyone learns differently and HOW the learning is done is key. But you are clearly some sort of exception. I always dislike when people who have a natural affinity for numbers shit on schools because other people, the vast majority of people do in fact need guidance to learn a concept. So because YOU are special, college is now a scam. Nonsense. Also lol, I guess 20% is just like, not a big number at all. You're aware of what the US population is, right? Something is not a scam because SOME people don't find it personally lucrative. Some private career colleges however are actually scams where they don't even have classes but claim they do after taking your money. THAT is a scam.

[@juannavarro3620]

the plumber has to work long hours and everyday charlie!!

[@milozion1525]

Thanks!

[@adayinthelifecjc749]

Don’t use my degree lol

[@doublevision84]

I went to community college and tbh im not rich and im not some doctor or lawyer but im debt free and im living a free and enjoyable life, Sure i have bills and work but I didn't waste years going in debt to a college that puts me in debt to do a job ill hate the rest of my life.

[@ryanlee3228]

I have multiple people under me with college degrees who are still paying for it. I didn’t go to college I joined the military. My current job I’ve been at for over 8 years and I have a 401k that is matched up to 10% plus once I hit 10 years I have healthcare for life, I can retire at 10 years and still got $800 after taxes and get another job. Or work 20 years and start another job or work 30 years and get full retirement for the rest of my life

[@johnnymatteis3452]

College shouldn't work they way it does. There should be SKILLS school. No degrees. Certifications. Some of these take longer than other professions, but get rid of the classes you're not going to use.

[@skylerthompson3682]

College could be hundreds not thousands, online, systemic like it already is, gutted admin, auto graded like already, atleast til bachelors

[@mktium820]

Kirk thought he can anything to his graduate workers then he can do the same to graduate students in general… you lost dude

[@antidote7]

You pay to go to school to be a plumber also.

[@Liwukmusic-qp2kj]

I think college is great with the right intention. I studied music (ah yes the useless degree) actually no. It gave me skills and knowledge for my field. I was able to use 10-20k worth of recording equipment to record. I build my own music events company, teach piano and mostly landed an internship with Spotify in marketing through my university and built a great network in the city of London. I’m from a small town up north and would have never received this in a city like London if it wasn’t for all that. I build my team down there. I used facilities. Educated myself on songwriting, music business and marketing all whilst building my own business and landed this internship with Spotify. Degree is what you make of it and what you go in for. If your just going in for a better job and study for example music or a creative degree your going in with the wrong intention. However, if you want to be a doctor or lawyer you need a degree If you want to build a business. College can give you network, knowledge and just fun experience but depending on the business you can also learn at home if that’s what you prefer To me college is also about a one in a lifetime experience. Building independence. I moved out at 18 and within my 3 years of study learnt and got all this. Imagine I didn’t id move out at 18 work as a waiter and in three years pretty much earn what college costs what a waste of time For the record I am from the uk our fees for three years including living costs are like 60k and we only study for three years. We also only pay like £300 per year when we earn over 30k and most people don’t end up paying it back. Theirs no rush to pay it in full so I can sympathise it’s not the same as the USA.

[@evanavila1]

Only lawyers and stem should go to collage

[@novemberstango7291]

I think it really depends which program you study. I think most if not all of social sciences is a scam (I graduated with a degree in Criminology, which did not help me with my job).

[@Sanxioned1]

It does prove that you have basic literacy skills though, which is sorely lacking in many people. It also means that you can complete important tasks on time with research to back your points, which is also a critical skill. You cannnot be an effective social worker, guidance counselor, psycho therapist without some formal social science training.

[@mykidsmom92]

I did not go to college. I still met a varied people with different points of view. I have my own business. My brother-in-law never went to college, got his contractors license and started his own successful business. He created his own tools (he didn’t need a degree for that either). I completely agree with Charlie: college is a scam. Is it useful in some small number of people? Sure. But overall I know so many more people who went into debt and got little to no value out of it.

[@Sanxioned1]

.....so.... not a scam then. You don't get to just say "X didn't work for me or these other people therefore it is a scam". I had a tesla. I no longer have one because quite frankly, it was rather user unfriendly IMO. Does that mean Teslas are a scam? No, of course not. It means they're not for me. You and people like you, should realize not everything you dislike is automatically a scam.

[@bytetc]

Charlie Kirk was totally beaten in this one. Lame.

[@anonymous_user_17]

No he wasn't

[@emilyowens8653]

They regret it because of the price and when they see their trade mates from high school getting paid more. What Charlie also doesn't tell you those trade mates unless they start a business won't see their wages increase that much. Charlie boy conflats a lot, trying to relating one different subject with the argument subject. Time after time, Charlie boy doesn't want people going to college because he didn't go himself. But thats what he tells you. I remember charlie boy signing up for online university courses into classics, such as greek politics etc. Anybody can pick up a book and read but I have you understood it. can you see the bias. Also charlie boy doesn't want to discuss the poor marketplace for jobs that America has. If you want to pay of college debt you need a well paid job. He doesn't want to discuss of the overpriced market on housing both in the mortgage and renting. Charlie boy if you notice when he is losing the argument begins to shout of over you. He is the most ignorant individual I have come across on youtube, and lets not forget the trump maga cult. Having a college degree has the employer understanding your level of education. What you learnt at high school is nothing compared to college degree. The gain in learning, but lets not forget here when the KOCH don't see a college degree on you CV, they will pay less. They never want to hire college kids, because they will have to pay them more.

[@Faithsxx]

Walmart ?¿🤡💀😂

[@abcmousedropout]

omg that man is hot and hes smart wtf

[@michaeltuazon358]

This dude has really got nothing to his own argument. Don't people in the US know that Universities and Colleges are where great minds gather? It's a sharing of idea and learning and then contributing to society. His only argument is student debt. And that is such a bullshit case to even begin with. For example: Koreans go to the Philippines to study English. Filipinos send engineering students to Japan and so on and so forth. This going to College makes you go into debt is seriously flawed. There's a lot of avenues and the world is open to you Americans and you also have the most advantage simply because of your currency advantage and you get shackled by a guy who wants to limit the potential of his own people by closing universities. Why are you even letting this happen and waste your time? I don't get it. Your problems are laughable to us.

[@stevesweeton131]

Here's the deal about CK. He is the very intelligent exception to having only a hugh schedule degree. He has an exceptional ability to retain much of everything he reads. However, unfortunately very few of his thoughts are even close to being original. This is really not that difficult in the field of liberal-arts. That is if you are truly interested in those fields of study. He is simply regurgitating a combination of various works of scholars who are respected in those fields. There is absolutely nothing wrong with this but not that impressive to me. What is impressive is that he has basically turned his common sense opinion, that are the actual works of others, into a 'movement'. I do applaud him for that. However, I do not see much worth in his opinion mic debates on college campus that are primarily aimed at those who disagrees with him. It's very obvious to me that he most likely will not 'convert' those students. It's starting to look loke nothing but an ego trip for him. Surely and intelligent person could find a more effective platform to do good with his work. Perhaps it's the best way to get views & make a buck...?...sobeit. I've just never been a fan of sensationalist without much 'original' works of their own. On the otherhand I would love to see him shut down students of most college Liberal-Arts Degrees. They are mostly opinionated readings of whatever the professor believes. College should be reserved for advanced STEM based teaching/ learning. Im sure that even CK will admit that even his 'advanced-self-taught' intellect could not just read an advanced mathematics or engineering book & just be able to do it. I personally find the college educated Ben Shapiro much more interesting to listen to regarding the material that CK presents. However both are closely doing the same thing. BS just comes across much more credible to me. Maybe because we are both college educated & doesn’t appear to be so defensive in presenting the same material. Maybe because he was taught how to present more intelligently, more with the feeling of wisdom than the arrogant deep-rooted sensitivity of not going to college? One educates & the other tries to humiliate.

[@howardmcginniss6663]

I don’t understand your point. Based on your assumption couldn’t we say the same thing about a college education. Does it encourage original thought?

[@Sanxioned1]

@@howardmcginniss6663 ...yes? In all of my 4th year courses, every topic we wrote on was to be an original one supported by peer review sources. At the PHD level you ONLY do original research, hence why getting a doctorate is not an easy thing. Granted, that does vary program to program, but pretty much everything varies place to place.

[@jallen600]

Kirk lost this one lol

[@anonymous_user_17]

No he didn't

[@bonniebrothers5786]

White boy thinking Charlie 😂

[@howardmcginniss6663]

This guy says you need to go to college to be a doctor. Then why do you get on the job training if you can learn this in college?

[@khanhtieudangbao3699]

Well you need to learn the theory behind what you do first don't you?

[@HoneyHoops-ig9ws]

THEORY, YOU DODO!

[@Sanxioned1]

LOL yep, get a 18 year old high school grad to just learn "on the job" every vital organ, bodily function, symptom of 1000+ conditions, interactions between 100s of drugs, latest research in medicine across international borders. Give it a try bud.

[@howardmcginniss6663]

People need to start reading the Dunning Kruger effect. This person did not prove Charlie wrong unless I was watching a different video.

[@Sanxioned1]

You cannot prove someone wrong who continuously moves the goal posts. Kirk goes from saying all of college is a scam, to saying just non-doctor/engineer/lawyer programs are a scam, then when the audience admits that yes they knew the risks of college, he just calls them part of the problem. Constant goal posting. He "cannot" lose because he doesn't have a consistent argument to begin with. For an experienced pundit, he did remarkably poorly. He also repeatedly changes topics, another form of goal posting. He seems confused at the raw tuition cost of 5k, and then uses ROOM AND BOARD as the real kicker. Yes, everyone and their mom knows paying a private institution to house someone is obviously going to be expensive. No one argues that. That is like saying driving is a waste of money because some luxury cars exist. Duh. He then stops short of bringing up international students aaround 8:15 probably because he is bright enough to know that that is a weak, outlier argument. Once he realizes that this kid actually won't back down, he starts to use some ethos and make himself look better: "I don't fault you... " etc etc. Trying to make "the system" the bad guy. He's a good rhetorician, but utterly dishonest and unsound.

[@thefnafdetective]

@@Sanxioned1Well that’s one way to say you didn’t understand a single thing being said in the video. Yikes.

[@shmoop6543]

​@@Sanxioned1 wow, you need to take a break and come back. Maybe even learn to communicate with people because the mental gymnastics you just did to try to alter the way the debate was actually presented as was insane

[@rossyeaah]

​@shmoop6543 That's exactly what happened in the debate though 😂

[@leod3338]

@@shmoop6543 can we hear ur breakdown of the validity of his arguments?

[@alexeybazhukhin1786]

PhD in physics here. I think Kirk lost this debate in literally the first minute

[@ahunters2205]

College students acting like they are worth something lol I make more than most degrees no college hahahaha no debt

[@ketislahh1982]

İf y are going to collage be engineer

[@user-yc3hf1dy6n]

A plumber? Really?

[@xJayhawkFANx]

My brother made 125k last year as a plumber.

[@user-yc3hf1dy6n]

@@xJayhawkFANx cleaning up shit might be good money at the end of the day it's cleaning up shit though.

[@bleach4k239]

​@@user-yc3hf1dy6n you don't even know what a plumber does. Just keep your mouth shut.

[@morganmcfadden8047]

Come on dude you know your wrong because the way college is now isn't teaching you a dam thing unless your going to work in a hospital or open a business be honest with yourself brother love your channel though

[@RighteousnessWillPrevail]

Colledge is a scam because of the price dude. But you can possibly learn more in colledge yes.

[@koreancowboy42]

Learn more in college 😂😂 Learn what? Have you not seen his other videos. Yes you can Learn some things, but not everything for the reality of the world. Especially when there's things you don't need for the jobs your looking for.

[@jovanniedelira9912]

When asked about psychology Charlie Kirk said i read Freud.... Thats literally the beginning of psychology and it goes way more in depth after that and also alot of what freud said has been disproven. Freud still is important in psychology as he came up with the term unconscious

[@Sanxioned1]

Yes, and so much of Freud continues to be disproven. Kirk is a hack who has a very cursory understanding of these topics. He knows enough to make it seem like he's smart. He is what dumb people think a smart person sounds like.

[@ubaidmughal6825]

Charlie kirk what an absolute clown

[@kevinburrowes7743]

i take it you dont like to hear that you got scammed out of 125k.. the average cost of a US Education

[@michaeltuazon358]

@@kevinburrowes7743 What is the cost of education and living if you go to college overseas? Guess what? Lesser than your student debts. AND YES. Not everyone will go to Harvard or Oxford or MIT anyway. and another YES - there are a lot of universities abroad in Asia where the expertise are in Medicine or Business and you won't even go into student debt. American problems are like blonde problems. They're not really there but they pretend like it's so life and death. The truth is you of all people have probably the MOST AVENUES and CHOICE in terms of education. You won't even have to learn another country's language nowadays cause a lot more countries speak English now. Ya'll just choose to be lazy and dumb. Always.

[@MKGD314]

@@kevinburrowes7743it was just explained how it’s not a scam. Charlie couldn’t even get into college and he’s been so butt hurt since that moment because he’s entitled.

[@Olios12]

Honk honk 😂

[@xJayhawkFANx]

​@@MKGD314it's not a scam for 25% of students. It is a scam for the other 75%

[@cilek9385]

All the people here commenting they make more money than people with education, go to a 'doctor'-without-a-degree when you need a surgery ok? ffs

[@howardmcginniss6663]

Do doctors get on the job training or just a college degree?

[@cilek9385]

@@howardmcginniss6663 the school is designed so medical students can do rotations and start learning about treating patients under the supervision of their professors, which is a great thing.

[@tedelliot6666]

Charlie Kirk failed miserably

[@claycarpenter8625]

So if your are a doctor or a lawyer then you are good people?? Lol oh boy. Funny how the money makers are good people just because they make alot of money or more than most. WOW!!

[@rebekahroyal2679]

I can't stand the hell out of charlie dirt....but I agree about universities being a scam🤐

[@howardmcginniss6663]

Why ?

[@Sanxioned1]

@@howardmcginniss6663 Because he's a dishonest interlocutor who repeatedly moves the goal posts in his arguments?

[@nsp74]

זו יהירות מוחלטת

[@antidote7]

You should take classes that give you a wide view of the world. The problem Kirk doesn't want to address is it should BE FREE! Get rid of the debt... Capitalism is the root of the problem and Kirk supports it.

[@xJayhawkFANx]

What's better than capitalism?

[@antidote7]

@@xJayhawkFANx I think real socialism, aka anarcho-syndicalism would be far better. Note that has nothing to do with what the USSR or China had, which I am extremely against.

[@DvdLr7943]

Kirk made no sense "you are defensive because it didnt cost you" Boi, is the other way around🤣

[@charlesmulvaney941]

Kirk is talking generally, the kid is talking about the very small exceptions.

[@Rsrey96]

So it would be the other students studying useless degrees got themselves where they are. College didn’t scam them, the kids just willingly wasted their money.

[@springpocket6941]

Think it really comes down to what kind of job you are looking for. If you want a red neck job like farming, oil drilling, brick layer then no shit college is a "scam" cuz you're setting the bar so low. If you want to get into wall street or any specialized jobs like doctors, lawyers, etc then college is bare minimum

[@user-sx9tt1bf6w]

Why are you eyes so far apart. All i wanted was to hear Charlie Kirk, we don't need more reaction channels

[@Gone_Rogue300]

The creator of this video is a goofy dude 😆 college is a super scam!