Charlie Parker: The Levin Wilson Controversy Part 2

[@dylandecker_music]

Thank you for bringing this to light. This small moment in history really changed the course of music forever, and it's extremely important that we know what happened and how it came about.

[@yahnferral9163]

Music speaks for itself. People’s analytical minds obsess on nonsense to distract themselves from themselves.

[@jazzygiraffe8589]

You're bringing some really fresh ideas to my mind that I've really got to spend some time thinking about. Ideas I haven't heard before. Your channel's a great find!

[@jamesnicol3831]

Thank you for keeping good music alive and for your musical scholarship that this music needs

[@donibee7846]

He played, lived, and spoke in riddles. He's having a joke at your expense. Don't take it so literal. Think of it like poetry. It's art, man.

[@bebopreview3187]

Poetry and art have meaning.

[@donibee7846]

@@bebopreview3187 Of course it has meaning. It's still not literal.

[@bebopreview3187]

@@donibee7846 Yes it is. If you believe that then you should argue against all the interpretation of Art in books; and all science as well. Parker made a statement which I believe we should take seriously. Bebop Jazz is a highly technical music that should be studied on a technical level and anything Parker says should be also be taken seriously because he is the leading figure in this music. I give a technical explanation in this series as to what Parker may have meant in his breakthrough statement. You have offered no argument against my theory just opinion. Writers at Down Beat didn't dismiss it so casually.

[@mjazzguitar]

It didn't sound like he was speaking in riddles to me, either. @@bebopreview3187

[@lordofthemound3890]

I’d come across a version of this “quote” before too, and-as a musician myself-recognized it as nonsense. Jibberish, basically. It certainly wasn’t created (or spread) by a musician.

[@anthonystovel5903]

great video thank you can't wait for part three

[@jamescarter4175]

Dizzy begins by saying that Bird is wrong about bop having no roots in jazz, and then he goes on to explain why Bird is correct.

[@mrgabifour4]

Great video, thanks sir!

[@MHJazz]

In my more than 60 Years in jazz I never have understood why it for some jazz fans is important if BEBOP is belonging to REAL jazz - or if you find it as separate Category . This debate seems for me to be fruitless and a kind of pure academically. Almost like Søren Kirkegaard Philosophically category discussion especially with the German Friedrich Hegel on everything on earth ( of which some in fact are relevant and important). But I do not think, it is of any importance for ( jazz)-music at all. An individual Classification as "GOOD or BAD" seems to me to be sufficient - at least if you know WHO is the judge.

[@allwinds3786]

I wonder how many others here are no sax players

[@johnresciniti4290]

I get the pictures of the books, but who's the guy with the smirk on his face wearing headphones? He's along side many of the book covers, but I saw no mention of why he's there or who he is.

[@bebopreview3187]

I'm quoting in part from his award winning PHD study. His name is professor Jen-Kwang Chang and he is an award winning composer in the classical genre. He also studied Jazz at Berklee and is acknowledged as a leading expert on Charlie Parker. I think that picture was taken whilst he was at The Nelson Centre for the arts, Nebraska City. www.khncenterforthearts.org/resident/jen-kuang-chang

[@johnresciniti4290]

@@bebopreview3187 Thank you! I must've missed the initial intro of him. Thanks for this info. This series is really interesting. Who knew an article from DownBeat over half a century ago would create such controversy to this day! It's really some interesting stuff. Moving on to part 3 today I hope!

[@adaMixoR]

Thanks! Could you highlight maybe 2 or 3 books on Bird that stand out for you and I should read?

[@bebopreview3187]

Much of the information and inspiration that inspired this series is contained on my facebook page Bebop Review. facebook.com/BebopReview

[@adaMixoR]

@@bebopreview3187 Alright, I just checked it out and got into Thomas Owens and his work on Bird. I mean everything is in there right. I don't know how is that possible that nobody has told us about it in school yet. That's just incredible that someone would put in so much work. Thank you Andy, so much. God bless you for your work.

[@gsco82]

Just my opinion, but I think that you are dwelling too much on the jam session which is reputed to be the start of bebop. What is important is that this form of jazz became at least somewhat popular, and Parker's music is still appreciated today. I agree with Gillespie's statement that bebop is related to jazz. I am a great fan of Dizzy as well as Bird. I trust that you have covered Parker's drug problems in the next episode.

[@bebopreview3187]

This series is about Parker's breakthrough statement related to the Down Beat article. I have talked about Parker's drug problems and its effect on other musicians in my video 'Charlie Parker: Heroin'.

[@monsterjazzlicks]

Can't bear Gillespie!

[@bill3837]

be bop is jazz out of swing and the blues

[@TiagoLageira]

The Marsalis family should watch this

[@monsterjazzlicks]

Can't bear Wynton!

[@frankiemidnight4218]

Great video, but who are Levin and Wilson?

[@bebopreview3187]

Micheal Levin and John S Wilson were white music critics who worked for the New York branch of Down beat magazine in the 1940s and 50s. Both these gentlemen are now deceased.

[@frankiemidnight4218]

Bebop review ok. Thanks for the great videos!

[@DreamlessSleepwalker]

@@bebopreview3187 Michael Levin is Jewish, not white.

[@09Grahame]

Oh There's a difference? I'm sorry Kerewa Krusader but your racism is showing.

[@DreamlessSleepwalker]

@@09Grahame I don't want to get into a HEATED discussion for such a bland comment but they don't fit into european genetic clusters, so... no.

[@thinktwice4565]

Parker was not Wisely with this like Gillespie or Miles. DIZZY WAS RIGHT . Parker seems to have some personality disorder in his mind already at this point.

[@fabiasantcovsky]

it's just easier to say the guy was mental

[@throckmorton3705]

you have not mentioned stanley crouch’s multi-volume biography. also, i’m a little tired of all the ross russell bashing, not just from you, but from most others. it’s the myth that survives, in all areas of culture and history, not painstaking attention (or correction) to details (minutia). god bless the myth makers, god bless ross russell!

[@bebopreview3187]

There is a lot of books I didn't quote from. I'm just giving a sample. I'm not slagging off Russell; thoes are the words of Dr Jen Kwang Chang. However, most people dislike Russell for releasing Parker's Loverman - blatant cashing in on the article 'Sparrows last jump'. I think God should have blessed black people a bit more; rather than myth makers. The happy negro was the biggest myth of them all.

[@throckmorton3705]

Bebop review yeah, imagine a record producer trying to cash in on a recoding . . . hah-parker’s lover man is possibly the most worshipped jazz recording of all time. not slagging you off, appreciate your channel.