Thomas Friedman on Israel and Hamas

The NYT columnist and author on what you should know about the Israel-Hamas war, and the biggest lesson he learned in 45 years of journalism.

[@Fernando-ox5mo]

Thanks for this interview. It's great to see Charlie Rose back.

[@amziemoore69]

Glad to hear from you Mr. Rose. I missed the intellectual discourse and the excellent guests you had on your shows. Glad you are back doing what you do best.

[@user-he7rq6lr5w]

Friedman has lost it as a journalist believes in propaganda has no idea and never has the true point of Israel’s lies of 2 state for 75 years with help of the USA .this man is as bad as the leadership of Israel that has known to lie to everyone of its friend .. this man a truly o nothing except get all his information from the IDF and knows less of reality

[@tarnopol]

Bloviating and not letting his guests talk?

[@deigamohamed707]

💯

[@davrasyavuz]

😢

[@seamusin1697]

​​@@tarnopolNot sure your criticisms are valid with respect to this particular interview since Rose gives Friedman a good deal of time and space to express his thoughts, opinions, ideas, and insights on the topics they cover. Overall, I think Rose, personal foibles and moral shortcomings aside, did solid work on his former show on PBS even if he could , at times, be verbose. He is still better than a lot of journalists who do not probe their guests and ask questions in the informed manner that he does.

[@ThePreityEffect]

Incredible to hear Mr.Rose again! He is needed!

[@kafanfxme]

As the Russia proverb says: my ears have wilted listening to these two

[@robaustin3013]

Russian Bot .

[@GardenerGeorge]

@@robaustin3013please come up with some better snark if you don’t like what you hear .

[@alrosano5786]

And the settlements ? Living in denial this two !

[@MrAbuYaz]

You don't get it. Tel Aviv is a settlement.

[@celloswiss]

Against any kind of Aran settlements on Israel's land.

[@lisathurlow3178]

Yes, he has an incredible insight and was an attorney or lawyer and many other things. I’m glad he’s being recognized in some fashion I watch a show from beginning to end every night for over a decade.

[@JBR868]

Lies, lies and more lies which have been already disproved in Haaretz

[@lochinvar5589]

Freidman at least pretends to provide some balance.

[@dragonfly1929]

The best propagandist for Zionist Israeli crimes to be just ,since they are convinced they are the CHOSEN People ? This is the man that all Zionist American Jews love .

[@talkwench340]

Absolute tosh.

[@ForFerne]

When did Friedman witness the mass rapes?

[@elainedaprano9130]

NO. Friedman is reporting EXACTLY the same that HAARETZ IS REPORTING

[@Raiders3251]

Charlie Rose and Thomas Friedman - truly, truly, truly the two best people, in the world, to understand the multi-facets, and tremendous number of nuisances, in our world! ------ And in a truly balanced, and center-thrusted, manner! ----- I could listen to Charlie and Thomas talk for hours! For hours! ---- I love these guys! ----- If only the leaders in our world - elected; governmental; business; educational; and non-profit - would earnestly and meaningfully listen to their wisdom; breadth; comprehensiveness; and yet detailed analysis and assessments!

[@subversivelysurreal3645]

How many Aid Trucks trucks got through during the PAUSE…? Also, how did Israel turn off the water and food and fuel to Gaza?

[@lystein1070]

actually prior to oct 7th Israel controlled 10% of the water and fuel of Gaza, ther rest was controlled by hamas. Apparantly Germany donated 100 million euro worth of pipes to Gaza to improve thier aqua systems, but the hamas made videos how to make homemade missiles form the pipes

[@pprender1]

@@lystein1070🤡🤡🤡🤡

[@user-he7rq6lr5w]

@@lystein1070 no Israel controls everything in Gaza and allows just enough food so they don’t starve also no chocolate ..3-4 hours a day of electricity ..and this guy Friedman is staying at the times newspaper building taken away from a Palestine owner …

[@MD-ko4oi]

Israel has no obligations to support and supply anything to Gaza . Gaza is an independent! Israel gave them the land and let them run it but Hamas took all the money from everyone and build a terror army instead of taking care of their inhabitants they used them as human shields Gaza could have been a paradise

[@alrosano5786]

Yep who was watching the open air prison ?

[@FPOAK]

Give Charlie his table back

[@paulheydarian1281]

Nope. He deserves the Silence of the Grave. 😅 Seriously, he should retire and fade away quietly.

[@FeinbergUSA]

Hear hear!

[@pswhite2961]

He can get a new table if he wants it. It can even be portable so he can go to them. Real journalists needed in the u.s.

[@suzankhoshnevisriahi824]

So happy to listen to Charlie Rose’s clever questions.

[@alrosano5786]

No mention of the occupation yet .

[@masudrahman4387]

They (Friedman, Blinken and gong) kept lieing about rape. They knows that those are untrue yet kept repeating.😮😮

[@bdadolph]

It’s all on video as Hamas thugs gleefully livestream everything

[@gandorr10]

Nonsense! Sober up or keep quiet;

[@User-r476]

@@gandorr10 Pope Francis has strongly criticized attacks on civilians in Gaza, labeling them as both war and terrorism.

[@JorgeRzezak]

@@User-r476 The Pope did not condemned Putin, Russia, Venezuelan Maduro, Nicaragua, Cuba and the list is big. The Pope's words has no meaning, Francisco is a politician, and I as an Argentine can tell you that most of Argentinean population as well as most of Latin American countries hates the Pope for being hypocrite and communist.

[@EWex-fb8bj]

Why don't you watch the Hamas Go Pro videos that they filmed of the rapes. Then maybe you will realize how wrong you are.

[@subversivelysurreal3645]

Houthis are not in HOUTHILAND, they are the soldiers of Yemen, and it’s too racist to hear.

[@pakpala1]

American conversations about the Middle East that is Israel centric..

[@celloswiss]

as opposed to Fakestinian propaganda lies

[@elainedaprano9130]

NO, you either weren't listening to everything or you're trolling. Friedman criticized Netanyahu REPEATEDLY!

[@jackdepalma]

And what of aparthied? Genocide? Mass starvation? USA vetos AGAIN?

[@infidwww]

Charlie Rose treats him with kid gloves. He should be interviewed by Caroline Glick

[@c.c.charles5885]

Agree, especially when we have more clarity now. kzbin.info/www/bejne/oKGXpn-geN-nnKssi=hIlepqk-pMVYvfsU

[@alrosano5786]

Why Hamas attacked Israel 🇮🇱 is still a mystery apparently!

[@agave20091]

Really? 70odd years of oppression, maybe?

[@Chima4289]

Let’s get back to this conversation in 4-6 weeks

[@erikstekelenburg3020]

Inside job. 🦧 Good reason 😉

[@luizaflips]

Never been a mistery. Israel had full knowledge of it and did nothing. Also… resistance to an occupation and attempt to seal prisoners for hostages. It’s not that complicated, Israel brought this in to themselves and now for sure they are never gonna be safe. 😢

[@user-rz6bc2cl3c]

Did Israel attack themselves? To place the blame on HAMAS? It sounds on the surface, preposterous. But, with Mr. N. who knows? We're back to where we started.. Go figure the Middle East....

[@MondoArtista.]

is this guy STILL talking about mass rapes?

[@OhioVworld]

Yes, AKA reality.

[@jackienaiditch7965]

One of the most interesting interviews I've seen about the Israeli/Hamas war. Thomas Friedman has such a wealth of knowledge and explains everything so clearly. And Charlie Rose asks good questions and then does actually listen, which is a refreshing difference from many other interviewers.

[@eddenoy321]

Agree

[@darius5909]

The war didn't start on Oct 7

[@mikel7544]

When did 9/11 start?

[@robertwachtel5805]

I listen to this video this morning at 10:56 and it is so great to hear again Charlie roses, incisive, questioning, and Thomas freeze Friedman's incisive answers. Just wonderful.

[@smurfette1509]

Yeah, I love Thomas Friedman. I learn a lot from him. I'm not sure I have the same optimism he has but I share his concerns should things go in a bad direction. Dear God, everyone, vote Biden for president, if only to keep Trump out of the White House! I miss Charlie Rose. I realize he got himself in trouble with unacceptable behavior. I'm glad these things came to the surface but still grateful he was able to interview Mr. Friedman.

[@haythamal-dokanji9547]

Good conversation. I wish Charlie have some sort of a visual background instead of the blackhole he seems to project from!

[@taylorw]

The Zoom version of his studio show, minus his round table.

[@bethskinner6055]

Yes, I have been wondering if CR would find a place given this vast internet/social media world we live in. His personal decisions cost him a prestigious program, a program that contributed to the public discourse in important ways. Mr. Rose has paid a price for his choices. He was publicly shamed and punished. That seems to be a cost that Americans wanted to see. It is however, part of the Christian ethic to allow a person to be forgiven and to contribute to society. We are not living in a Puritan nation. Frankly, the Founding Fathers rejected the Puritan ways and values, finding them too narrow, even draconian in instances. There is no need to live as Puritans. We are a nation that moves forward. We are a nation that progresses. It is therefore, good to see Mr. Rose is moving forward. This conversation with Thomas Friedman is emblematic of the contribution Mr. Rose can make. These are unsetting times; on both the domestic front and on the international stage. The knowledge base, extensive network, and interview skills that Mr. Rose brings to the public is of value.

[@franofilini1]

Agree that he should be forgiven and contrubute, but given our complicity in this genocide and the wars of choice leading to atrocities in Iraq and ukraine and afganistan we are NOT a nation that progresses, rather led like sheep by politician whores paid by military industrial Complex and AIPAC when mideast involved.

[@adriangstern]

although agreeing about Netanyahu any leader of Israel would have to act in the same way in response to 7/10

[@silver3149]

Why has no one asked the question "Why Did This Happen? " How long can a people exist; before they are allowed to be free? Also why is everything about the merchants?

[@daniellecoh]

​@silver3149 why did this happen? Its always happened. This is the way of Islam. 1400 years of brutal massacres, colonisation and conquest.

[@elainedaprano9130]

​@@silver3149Because the Israeli merchants seek to form a coalition AGAINST Netanyahu! They have been and are RIGHT NOW in the streets protesting Netanyahu's GOVERNMENT!

[@wess7698]

Palestinians have nothing to lose, but Israelis do

[@daniellecoh]

Israelis have nothing to lose, but Palestinians do

[@riseandfall...]

Just their lives

[@jackdepalma]

According to the Genocide Convention, genocide is a crime that can take place both in time of war as well as in time of peace. The definition of the crime of genocide, as set out in the Convention, has been widely adopted at both national and international levels, including in the 1998 Rome Statute of the International Criminal Court (ICC). Learn more about the definition of the crime of genocide. Importantly, the Convention establishes on State Parties the obligation to take measures to prevent and to punish the crime of genocide, including by enacting relevant legislation and punishing perpetrators, “whether they are constitutionally responsible rulers, public officials or private individuals” (Article IV). That obligation, in addition to the prohibition not to commit genocide, have been considered as norms of international customary law and therefore, binding on all States, whether or not they have ratified the Genocide Convention.

[@therealtulip]

So who's preventing Hamas/Hezbollah/Iran from committing genocide against the Jewish people? Where is the Genocide Convention when it's the Jews who need to be protected from Genocide? or does it only apply to non-Jews?

[@hyperreal]

There is no genocide happening here

[@jackdepalma]

Must be denied, no need look. No occupation I ask? No aparthied if walls and No equal rights for them? Killing others does not need the International Court. No veto? OK. Not occurring. Maybe the murder of civilians, defenseless humans is not war. Sad if some deny anything but their own rights to dominate, humiliate? Your state terror?

[@MG-ye1hu]

I agree with many things Mr Friedman says and writes, especially on Israel and Palestine. However, he does not realize how much the hegemonial shift has already progressed. The US is not the indispensible nation anymore, as much as I myself wished it would still be the case. If the US and the west does not realize this and starts to compromise, also ideologically, in order to keep their status and influence, they will go down the hard way. We have seen this in history over and over again in the rise and fall of great powers. So often they fall deep, and pull the whole world into desaster, because they don't realize soon enough that they are not as powerful anymore as they thought they are.

[@rosalinelowe972]

I think the US and Isreal will go down together becausr they are intertwined.

[@robaustin3013]

Russian Bot?

[@MG-ye1hu]

@@robaustin3013 Nope, just a reasonable realist.

[@agave20091]

Thank you

[@ziadzahran1453]

Here is the proof that no female Israeli was ever raped by Hamas kzbin.info/www/bejne/kHqwl5Znrppso68si=zWE1P41EXJLhDH4V

[@kafanfxme]

Two intellectuals of the American gerontocracy. Sad to behold

[@robaustin3013]

Russian Bot

[@brendatenorio5721]

It's worse than that. It had several iterations of 40 page report and station chiefs reporting on border activities up to and beyond to October. Not just military assessment. Troops focused on West Bank as part of Netanyahu's policy to divide and conquer to ensure no Palestinian state.

[@dpeatebc7265]

The Palestinians have been offered a state repeatedly but their Arab neighbors decided they'd rather wait so that terrorism could do it's dastardly work. As usual, the Arabs and Palestinian Arabs miscalculated and now there is little support in Israel for a two-state solution. Why? Because groups like Hamas or the PLO always end up taking over Palestinian governance. In 1970, they even tried to take over Jordan and assassinated the Jordanian Prime Minister. A few years before a Palestinian assassinated Robert F. Kennedy. They are sick and deranged people and they were that way before the Jews arrived. Arab internecine wars and assassinations were common. The arrival of the Jews gave them something to hate in common.

[@gandorr10]

Such ignorant crap! West Bank Palestinians are 85% Hamas supporters shooting at police and the IDF.

[@ziadzahran1453]

Here is the proof that no female Israeli was ever raped by Hamas kzbin.info/www/bejne/kHqwl5Znrppso68si=zWE1P41EXJLhDH4V

[@mohamadromzee7394]

The narrative from US politicians that the Zionist offered the Palestinians a peaceful two state solution settlement which was rejected by the Palestinians is basically a blatant lie. This attempt at a two state solution are tabled in the form of a UN resolution in the general assembly every year and accepted by majority countries except by the state of Israel, US and some Pacific island countries.

[@Intelife123]

YAHOO IS A POISON PILL FOR HIS COUNTRY AND ALWAYS HAS BEEN

[@glenrotchin5523]

Man does Friedman engage in some wishful thinking on so many fronts. Like Hamas will just give up the hostages for an Israeli offered ceasefire. Like they would just walk away from Gaza and let an international-led supervisory coalition to take control. Like one day Sinwar will be raised on shoulders victorious and the next day there would be a reckoning against him?

[@JorgeRzezak]

Yeah, Tom Friedman stayed before 7/10, and all his comments are obsolete and very naïve.

[@ziadzahran1453]

Here is the proof that no female Israeli was ever raped by Hamas kzbin.info/www/bejne/kHqwl5Znrppso68si=zWE1P41EXJLhDH4V

[@aymansalameh3701]

You described his narrative so well

[@Tscholent-em1gt]

With Friedman for a friend who needs Hamas as an enemy?

[@glenrotchin5523]

@@globaldefenseorg a further thought : therentcollector.blogspot.com/2024/01/moral-clarity-part-18-dumb-war.html?m=1

[@UNKNOWNPERSON-kk9kd]

Read Friedman's article published today (Dec 29). I think it's pretty clear Tom needs a prescription for some strong anti-depressants.

[@kindGSL]

His people successfully canceled Christmas this year. He should be thrilled.

[@whazzat8015]

@@kindGSL Christmas?! H-ll, they cancelled Christ! /s

[@abdulahmoula7196]

Charlie, thanks for sharing such an amazing interview with an acclaimed writer, Thomas Friedman whose discourse is balanced and unbiased. He has dared to say the truth about what is happening in Gaza showing his constant principles and humanity. I highly think of him.🌹❤️

[@subversivelysurreal3645]

I don’t know what Friedman is talking about, a ceasefire on or before October 7th, because inside of this Apartheid State of Israel, more Palestinians had been killed in the West Bank than any other year of the occupation, so I don’t know WHAT HE IS TALKING ABOUT, but I had tweeted, ‘Why REVENGE’ the week before October 7th. Because the word REVENGE had been scrawled on a Palestinian home that settlers had destroyed in the West Bank, just within a week before OCT 7th.

[@dpeatebc7265]

How many Jews have been killed by suicide bombers in the last 50 years? You forgot that part.

[@wallygator369]

Friedman is a dual citizen and a settler (owns property in Israel) so his blindspot re The Occupation is willful ignorance. Nowhere did he admit the IDF has been shooting their own people according to the Napoleon directive. Charlie Rose's gentle line of questioning rather anemic with no hard questions (regional instability, 2000 lbs dropped on civilians, ethnic cleansing, UNSC allegations).

[@ziadzahran1453]

Here is the proof that no female Israeli was ever raped by Hamas kzbin.info/www/bejne/kHqwl5Znrppso68si=zWE1P41EXJLhDH4V

[@Chima4289]

Let’s get back to this conversation in 4-6 weeks.., then re-assess

[@whazzat8015]

@@wallygator369 When you call down fire and brimstone, You better be ready for fire and brimstone. War is war. 10% blue on blue casualties are the norm. Especially among human shields.

[@TedATL1]

Friedman’s scenario isn’t convincing. Says Sindwar will be stuck with rebuilding. I don’t believe it. The international guilt trip will launch into action as always. UN, EU, even US will be pressured to “relieve the suffering” and blame will be forgotten.

[@declup]

Does capacity to relieve the suffering exist? I mean, to an extent commensurate with the suffering inflicted? No number of billions of dollars can bring back the lives of lost loved ones.

[@user-fk1kg3fr9k]

Wishy washy interview... Blah, blah, blah

[@AR-fx2mv]

can someone link to the name the name mentioned at the end? yaron brook?

[@gailannduberchin9494]

An Israeli resident said that Hamas knew about the concert because they were living and working side by side with Israeli friends, etc.

[@ef2718]

Villagers near Gaza employed Gazans, some of the jihadist attackers had maps with addresses and details of the residents.

[@MKTElM]

Disappointed in Tom Friedman.

[@seamusin1697]

Why? What specifically disappoints you about him?

[@MKTElM]

@@seamusin1697 Recent events have made him lose his most valued asset ; his detachment and clear vision.

[@seamusin1697]

@@MKTElM In what way? You are being vague.

[@MKTElM]

@@seamusin1697 Its a bit disappointing to see someone 'definitely' in the know like Tom Friedman talking about "mass rape" on the October 7 attack. No rape was reported by freed prisoners during their imprisonment and no one escaping from October seven reported being raped. Evan Jo Biden alleged the beheading of children and later withdrew the lie

[@user-og6qo6dh7i]

Thomas never speaks about Israel's brutal occupation, he just skips that.

[@bdadolph]

It’s neither brutal nor an occupation. Palestinians chose their situation after many state offers

[@aynos629]

​@@bdadolphDid you ever offered to give them their territory back and take your arrogance with you?

[@agave20091]

No kidding. Palestiniens didn't choose this. Grow up

[@rmurphy1424]

They voted in HAMASS. They chose it

[@gandorr10]

In May of 1948 when the state of Israel came into existence the UN also gave the Palestinians an opportunity to form their own state. Rather than form their own state. they decided to join Jordan.Syria and Egypt in a brutal war against the newly created state of Israel with the goal to destroy and kill all Jews in this new state.The Arabs failed and were soundly defeated in their murderous venture and now they play the role of innocent victims of Israel.

[@tinytanks]

Agreed-- nice to have you back, Charlie.

[@mimipanini17]

Such a great interview.

[@jstasiak2262]

What was Hamas’ plan? Mr. Freidman, the plan is obvious. By now you should understand that terrorism is a particular type of war, and that the purpose of war, including terrorism, is to induce a decisive political result. I strongly suggest that you read (or re-read) the late David Fromkin’s July 1975 Foreign Affairs article (“The Strategy of Terrorism”, pp 683-698). That is as lucid an explanation of how terrorism produces a political outcome as I can find. This essay was included in Foreign Affairs’ 75th anniversary compendium of its most important and influential articles. The editors of Foreign Affairs obviously thought that this is an important and relevant article that should not be forgotten. Hamas’ 7 October 2023 terrorist attack was a classic terrorism trap and Binyamin Netanyahu foolishly drove Israel straight into that trap. Joe Biden did likewise for the United States. Both Israel and the United States are going to suffer greatly and lose stature for failing to recognize this obvious and avoidable trap.

[@declup]

Thomas Friedman knows Hebrew and Arabic, has a Master's degree in Middle Eastern Studies from Oxford, has been a bureau chief or Middle East correspondent for the New York Times since the Lebanon Civil War, and has won a National Book Award and two of his three Pulitzers for his coverage of the Middle East. I'm pretty sure he understands a thing or two about the motivations of Hamas and also of terrorists in general. E.g., note what he says at time mark (11:07). In any case, his question at (6:36), "What was [Hamas's] plan?", was a rhetorical one, rhetorical in that it's posed from the perspective of non-Hamas Gazans. Friedman's point is that Gazans, when given an opportunity to survey the damage wrought by Israel, will be, as most human beings in their situation would be, ambivalent at best but outraged more likely at the consequences of Hamas's actions on Oct. 7. Friedman's point is that Israel's strategy should be to sow division in Gaza's power structure and to empower moderates by taking Israel out of the Gaza spotlight and removing the unifying force of an external threat. As for America's involvement in Israel since Oct. 7, Yair Rosenberg of the The Atlantic has written an opinion piece that might interest you. It's dated December 15 and suggests that Biden's support for Israel, far from gung ho and gulled, has been qualified and tactical. The gist seems to be "The U.S. should keep its friends close, its enemies closer, and Israel closest of all." Right or wrong, the article is worth a look, I think.

[@jstasiak2262]

@@declup I have been reading Mr. Freidman’s OpEds in the New York Times for 26 years. I even read a few of his books and watched him on Charlie Rose’s PBS programs. I used to think that he knew what he was talking about, but it has become painfully obvious that he does not. If the Palestinians wanted to get rid of Hamas, they would have done so a long time ago. All they had to do was rat them out to the Mossad and Bibi would have taken care of the rest. But the Palestinians support Hamas and will continue to support Hamas no matter what happens because Hamas is the only political entity that is still vigorously fighting for the Palestinian cause. The Palestinians will NEVER abandon Hamas because there is no better alternative and the Israeli government refuses to give them any hope. After Arafat died, the Israelis co-opted Fatah and the PLO such that those two have become Israel’s capo and are totally discredited. Mahmoud Abbas is an Israeli stooge. Neither the PLO nor Fatah will rule the Palestinians EVER again. Mr. Freidman doesn’t understand that. Hamas’ “plan” was to get the Netanyahu government to abominably and odiously over-react to their 7 October attack such that global public opinion would universally and permanently turn against Israel. More specifically, Hamas sought to demonstrate unequivocally to the entire world that Israel is no longer the social democratic state that it once was in the 1970s: Israel is now a racist, apartheid state with the Palestinian Arabs relegated to a permanent underclass to be openly exploited, despised and dispossessed by the Jewish ruling class. It would appear that Hamas’ plan has wildly succeeded. Again, Mr. Freidman does not seem to grasp that important fact. (Actually I suspect that Bibi was looking for an excuse to ethnically cleanse Palestine because if he solves the “Palestinian problem”, his political and legal problems would vanish instantly.) Furthermore, everyone (except Mr. Freidman) knows that if Israel is allowed to continue, it will attempt to conquer southern Lebanon in order to gain control over the vast water resources of the Litani River. At best, this will result in a regional war with Israel getting destroyed by Hizbullah, Iran, Türkiye, Saudi Arabia, and Yemen. If the US attacks Iran, then Russia and China will enter the war to preserve their access to Middle Eastern energy resources and commercial shipping transit (i.e. Belt and Road initiative) via the Suez canal. Again, Mr. Freidman doesn’t seem to understand that. For Israel, this war is not about Hamas or even revenge: It is about expelling and/or exterminating all remaining Palestinians from “Greater Israel.” Unfortunately, it also would mean World War 3.

[@GardenerGeorge]

@@declupI admit I read your comment before listening to this full discussion … but … I wanted to make the point that knowledge does not equal insight . TF and the writer you cited from The Atlantic may be well versed in the political vocabulary of the region , but that does not mean their moral compass is pointing true . I have never read a piece of writing relating to Israel in The Atlantic that is not written from a Zionist first perspective . It is possible to build convincing intellectual frameworks over all sorts of emotional foundations . The emotions come first and The developed intellect justifies them . Back to giving TF a chance , though …

[@JP51ism]

@@declupYour "gist" is just that & a wrong assumption predicated on that old "friend-enemy" construct. The current context is of the Obama-Biden administration's view as to how to best deal with/control Netanyahu. Obama was for relegating Bibi to an obviously chilly place, while Biden's approach is that of keeping him closer.

[@declup]

@@JP51ism -- Closeness, not as a sign of allyship, JP, but as a way to get/keep tactical leverage. The article by Yair Rosenberg is titled "Biden's Smart Strategy for Outmaneuvering Bibi", and is, by the way, Rosenberg's expression of his opinion, not mine of mine.

[@flavianparis4843]

Why is it that all these so called experts of the area ignore the fact that Israel is an occupying force and when the occupied rise up against them it is a legitimate act.

[@declup]

"Rising up" is a pair of words. Specific actions, though, are specific actions. Which specific actions, specifically, are Palestinians justified in doing in order to improve their economic, political, and religious situation? Are they justified in protesting in front of embassies? Are they justified in organizing international boycotts of Israeli products? Are they justified in killing Israeli soldiers? Are they justified in taking Israeli soldiers prisoner? Are they justified in killing Israeli civilians? Are they justified in raping? Are they justified in kidnapping Israeli children? Is any action prohibited? Or is nothing, _nothing at all_ , no matter how brutal, too contemptible if the cause is Palestinian freedom?

[@Swarming1020]

What happened on October 7th was not a legitimate act, and if you disagree then you are subhuman and outside the moral community

[@lystein1070]

As a british- israeli citizen, i must attest that the last thing the majority of the country want is to occupy anything, we dont want to be scared to be killed when we are a bus stop, by missiles and have to send our sons to war. please read history from a neutreal scource and enlighten yourself

[@johnnyrocker7495]

​@@Swarming1020how much more subhuman are you for faling to call out Israrls genocide.

[@nomadproductions2812]

occupation ended in 2005 in gaza, hamas was elected in 2006, blockade started in 2007

[@angelaparente4470]

Well put, thank you

[@RonnieKaufman1]

Why no captions? I’m almost deaf. I need captions in order to understand the dialogue. Please!

[@pt68picaso]

What You Say, When You Listen. ..... Respect, without it for your audience, you're unable to tell them much.

[@user-cu9wm5jz5c]

Oh my God how short fish memory is Both of the gentlemen forgot the West Bank Israel killing of honest civilians and forgot the endless settlements at occupied lands and evecting palastienans from their homes. All took place before Oct 7 2023. Thank you for giving me the chance to respond..

[@MrAbuYaz]

Your bot training proceeds well.

[@Intelife123]

Friedman is well aware of all of it

[@daniellaleifer9704]

Yeah, sure. Like that's been the whole cause of Jew hate. Gee whiz there's never been any Jew hate before "the settlements". And if the Jews would just leave those settlements, then the world will just give them a big hug and tell them how much they love them. Just look at how much Hamas showed their love and appreciation when Israel self-ethnically-cleansed 8,000 Jews out of Gaza in 2005.

[@mikec6733]

The slanted explanation of the situation.

[@cryptonighit]

Israeli military has adopted medieval religious doctrine And at the same time, they demand to be treated As a “ democracy “ Obviously some has a dark sense of humour

[@kindGSL]

God has a really wicked sense of humor.

[@halehniazmand3995]

Exactly. Thank you for your response ❤

[@Intelife123]

Medieval???? Read the gruesome details of the torture and dismemberment of the 1400 Israeli mostly young people

[@whazzat8015]

When you call down fire and brimstone, You better be ready for fire and brimstone. War is war

[@MohamadHadi-vs6ww]

Yes, you are right nobody won this war. In general, I believe nobody wins a war in modern history. The two people must sit down and think about the future of their children and think what happened and the madness of both extremism. They can live peace and harmony without violence if they want to.

[@natehavs.4568]

Israel wants to. Palestinians don’t. And that is the simple truth

[@jdsthird]

@@natehavs.4568Not true. The illegal settlers are terrorists in their own right. They are extremists and wreaking havoc in West Bank and government.

[@pt68picaso]

​​​​@@natehavs.4568 Netanyahu & Likub Party aren't for a Palestinian state. Around 43:06 listen to the comparison of Netanyahu and Trump, both being dividers rather than uniters.

[@MKTElM]

End the occupation

[@natehavs.4568]

@@pt68picaso even the biggest peace loving people need to cope with reality. You can’t want a Palestinian state when the mainstream narrative of the entire majority want to massacre you.

[@woodpecker6452]

I don’t think Gazans can think past blaming Israel for their miserable existence under Hamas

[@talkwench340]

❤ Charlie Rose. ❤ Tom Friedman. Such enlightened discourse.

[@user-gr8qy9hb9q]

Two of the most loathsome and disingenuous people in American Media. Your time has expired.

[@robaustin3013]

Russian Bot

[@user-gr8qy9hb9q]

@@robaustin3013 brainless comment

[@user-my7db3ys8o]

They dnt care about there own Hostages

[@user-gs2kz6mg2n]

Israel has said over and over again, there will be NO two state policy.

[@ozein312]

So good to see this conversation.

[@nasirfazal5440]

Charlie, Thank you for coming back. .Prof.Dr.Nasir Fazal gold medalist Cambridge USA

[@kathleentrinity7367]

I think there will be other questions for Israel too...where are my dead children? Hamas is half of the worst...but did Israel really have to bomb ad infinitum, starve the populace, bomb water and sewage systems, shoot youth on the streets even while laughing, open fire into apartments full of women and children? I have loved listening to youth both for years, but the reaction to the October 7th atrocities has been wildly an overkill and it's questionable how much has been aimed at Hamas. Also, consider 100 journalist killed, may of them contacted and targeted by the IDF. Nentanyahu and his administration bear responsibility for taking this war so very, very far.

[@dpeatebc7265]

Yes. The Arabs made them do it.

[@kathleentrinity7367]

@@dpeatebc7265 They had no choice to go so far...to annihilate? Retaliation is one thing; annihilation is another. The latter includes over 20,000, the majority of whom are women and children who have nothing to do with Hamas. Human beings are expected to have some sense of proportion and morality.

[@TedATL1]

Every death is the fault of Hamas. Civilians were used as shields.

[@gandorr10]

If you can believe those obvious Palestinian lies then you need to become more thoughtful and skeptical about obvious propaganda claims.

[@ziadzahran1453]

Here is the proof that no female Israeli was ever raped by Hamas kzbin.info/www/bejne/kHqwl5Znrppso68si=zWE1P41EXJLhDH4V

[@elainedaprano9130]

I truly appreciate Mr. Friedman's unbiased logical comments. "What were you thinking ?" is the perfect question. Overreaction on both sides: NOBODY is listening. Do I still believe this was an "intelligence failure "? Likening Netanyahu to Trump: No I do NOT!

[@lpedota2020]

Having Charlie Rose back in KZbin is even greater!

[@richrdrashid1921]

Was there a genicide and occupation extreme atrocities.

[@RobertKirkconnell]

Thomas skipped the egregiously brutal occupation and all international law protecting civilians -- including the Fourth Geneva Convention, the UN Charter, The U.N. Universal Declaration of Human Rights, and more. One of many key aspects included in the above is the legal right of the Palestinians to resist, even violently, Israel's horrific occupation. Tens of thousands of civilians, including thousands of babies, blown to bits or buried alive by hundreds of U.S. 2,000-pound bombs doesn't seem to bother him much, if at all. He acts like this is a war and not a textbook case of genocide.

[@gandorr10]

You start out by saying that the Palestinians have suffered an "egregiously brutal occupation. Where is the evidence? and what are your sources? Hamas, the corrupt PLO or Islamic Jihad? Don't be mentally lazy and try to get your information from both sides before you make up your mind. BBC,Al Jazeera, MSNBC etc. are not impartial, credible sources of information.

[@DDBb993]

Yes Thomas is clueless about history, I say we go with your genius narrations, especially the denial of rape and murder.

[@OhioVworld]

And you’re ignoring the Arab invasion of the Levant and the subsequent brutal colonization and multiple genocides of the indigenous civilizations in the area under repressive Islamic Arab/Turkish collapse rule. The indigenous ppl of Judea fought back. You want to talk about history, let’s talk about all of it.

[@JorgeRzezak]

Robert the next target of the islamists is you, wherever you live US or Europe, you do not understand about the conflict. Hamas and Iran are the absolute responsible for the death of the Palestinian population. And also the numbers are absolutely wrong and are not the propaganda you absorb, only Shifa hospital they claimed 500 and were a couple of dozens, so do math and your numbers are not realistic at all, maybe 5% or at maximum 10%. Israel is the worst genocidal state because the population of Gaza only grows, so I do not understand what text are you reading, maybe Tik Tok texts.

[@aryastark3148]

Thomas seems to be the one denying rape committed by Israel police and IDF against Palestinians. Maybe you deny it too. @@DDBb993

[@LM-zs4kq]

Has Friedman spoken to people like Jeffrey Sachs.

[@zok179]

Why these guys from Hamas attacked Israel? It will be soooo much apreciated to get answer on that question from Mr. Friedman. Also , maybe Mr Friedman can enlighten us with his observation of close to 200 Palestinians killed in West Bank in 2023 , before October 7. Also , as a great journalists, Charlie and Thomas, can reflect on 700 000 Israeli settlers who occupied Palestinian land illegally. As a European and Catholic I would highly appreciate answers and reflection on everything from above.

[@irene1804]

Charlie so happy you are back 🎉I truly missed your show. No one has replaced it although Amanpour is good. Happy I just found this site. Hello from Tucson!

[@swissmessage]

Charly, why don't you come out from the past and at least try to inform your audience balanced. I assume you read John Mearsheimers 2007 book that should indicate what facts to verify instead of repeating the loop of disputed lies.

[@MsSabeehak]

True I agree Tom DT’s mother said that she hoped DT would not get in Politics She knew him well.

[@MikosMiko]

Charlie Rose was my favorite interviewer, so happy to see him back at it

[@halehniazmand3995]

I can’t believe how Friedman won Pulitzer prices. Did AIPAC made phone calls for him?

[@Agtsmirnoff]

You mad?

[@wktang9680]

Exactly. He's talking from Israel's point of view almost all the time. He himself is Jewish of course.

[@Agtsmirnoff]

@@wktang9680 the OP is a MUSLIM! So what's your point Tang?

[@disneykilledstarwars]

yeah. he's a zionist asset. totally lost credibility in my eyes.

[@subversivelysurreal3645]

If you’re Palestinian and you’re arrested, unlike if you’re Israeli (in which case you face a civil court, and two Americans have been killed, plus the USS Liberty which was attacked by Israel) Rachel Corrie was run over by a bulldozer and Shareen Abu Akleh was shot by the IDF, but if you’re Palestinian you face a Military Court. If Palestinian, you can be held without charge for years and years, and they simply don’t level charges, they simply sentence you to judicial imprisonment in six months time allocations, which are legal under the Occupation. Now they’re stripping men and boys, and we can see the wounds on their hands, from the plastic restraints, and they’re tortured. 20,000 killed vs 1200 killed, and google search each year that GAZA faced slaughter. Free Palestine 🇵🇸

[@JackJackJack123]

One of the most amazing things about this war is that while Arab governments are hoping Israel wins this war American leftists want them to lose it. Really makes me think about the recent statements made by the UAE’s foreign minister in which he was pleading with westerners to stop thinking they understand Islamic terrorists better than those living in the Middle East do. In terms of the Palestinians, what you’re calling for would GUARANTEE that many more generations of Palestinians would needlessly suffer. Hamas has billions upon billions. They deliberately force their people into abject poverty with the only pathway to escape it is by killing people on behalf of Hamas. If at the end of this Hamas still governs in Gaza then nobody is going to help rebuild and security measures will tighten. Israel and Egypt will have the support of 90% of the world in this endeavor. The fact that this reality is obvious to any semi-intelligent person whose spent time objectively trying to understand this conflict tells me that you really just hate the Israelis and don’t give a fuck about the Palestinians. Otherwise, you would speak out on the “Jim Crow” type laws that Palestinians in Lebanon and Jordan suffer under as well as the mass slaughter of hundreds of thousands of them in Syria. You didn’t though. You’re just blindly blaming Israel for everything with absolutely no concern for the fact that if you get what you want in this conflict the citizens of Gaza will suffer like they never have before and that suffering will never end because you insist Hamas be able to remain in power. I’m convinced that if people like you weren’t so vocal this conflict would’ve ended decades ago and am absolutely positive that infinitely fewer people on both sides would be killed. Yet, here you are advocating for the same lunacy that hasn’t worked at any point in the last 80 fucking years. At some point it’d be fantastic if you lot started thinking logically instead of being governed entirely by blind emotion. You ideas don’t work. Your ideas consistently make the situation worse. Humble yourself and embrace reality.

[@lisadiane10001]

Isnt that the difference between being a Palestinian and an Israeli Arab? The Israeli Arabs have a political party and a voice in Israel. Maybe you should think about the road your Palestinian leadership has lead you down?

[@Eliana3173]

Do you know how many ISRAELIS are in solitary confinement and being held for years without a trial in Israel right now?

[@agave20091]

No I think Israel has caused this.

[@aryastark3148]

Oh I'm sure that none of their situation came from being under brutal Israeli occupation, persecution for several decades. I'm sure it's all the fault of the victims, most of who are children. But go off, professor!@@lisadiane10001

[@HerbLindberg]

Nice to hear the intelligent side of the NYT (left) view but, it would be so much more valuable if a comparably intelligent conservative expert were at the table. This was clear to me when Friedman commented on climate change, my field, which has been hyped by the left far beyond the actual threat. A counter argument on climate is definitely needed, along with pointing out Biden's many weaknesses that are contributing to world instability -- it's like 1930s pre-World War II all over again, which led Hitler to attack a weakened Europe. Niall Ferguson comes to mind as an intelligent conservative that would provide meaningful counterpoint from the right.

[@alexstewart3752]

Glad Charlie Back!!!

[@asafber]

Thomas F is nothing but a coward.

[@Fsa8888]

Bring on Norman Finklestein Charlie

[@joanhartman399]

Charlie Rose, I am new to your channel, and eternally grateful for its' intelligent content.

[@palmshaikh813]

Sincere efforts towards peace ☮️ is needed on all sides.

[@NJRealEstateAttorney-eq4yu]

Barely heard the word Hamas in all this babbling. Nothing required of them. Don't let anything get in the way of a two state solution

[@therealtulip]

The only effort towards peace needed in this case is for the Palestinians to realize once and for all that Israel is not going anywhere, and to stop instigating wars against it. Once they do that, I promise you Israel will gladly make peace with them.

[@RobinsonRDavid]

Glad to hear the criticism of leadership.

[@joeh682]

As one father said, " thanks, Israel and the western media for showing the world who you are and what you do"

[@peopleofisrael7958]

Wake up folks. The Palestinians do not want to a State. They never wanted a state. They never took any of the 6 offers to have a state. A Palestinian state would look like Gaza, run by Terror. They want one thing, the destruction of Israel followed by the destruction of Europe followed by the destruction of the United States. Jihad is the core of the Quran and the core of their religion. It means there is no religion but Islam.

[@peopleofisrael7958]

The Arabs are tribal; they are organized by families and need to be divided up into caliphates, individual families which are self-sufficient. All the successful Arab states are organized by families; 36:33 all the terrorists Arab states have multiple families.

[@ziadzahran1453]

Here is the proof that no female Israeli was ever raped by Hamas kzbin.info/www/bejne/kHqwl5Znrppso68si=zWE1P41EXJLhDH4V

[@Agtsmirnoff]

I'll bet he was cheering on Oct 7th, not cheering now eyy Dad?

[@estherlev2472]

Maybe because there is NO OVCUPATION. It's just propaganda!

[@gabiideh38]

Any one who thinks that the Oslo accord methodology will be in any way part of any peace process is living in the past

[@urbanart7325]

Do you know of innocent Gazans. Please interview them

[@davec6146]

Charlie Rose....Missed you. The only interview show I ever looked forward to. Thomas Friedman...thanks for your very important and directional insights. I hope someone will listen. But I"m pessimistic. 2 groups of people with opposite visions and no ears at all. Who's going to fix that?

[@Iskander-Yari]

Apartheid is losing support

[@tedpie1]

Thomas: you haven’t said anything any ordinary citizen watching cable news hasn’t already figured out🤷

[@crghyz]

According to recent PEW survey, only 32% of Israelis support a two state solution. Why do we keep talking about a solution that has never had strong support within Israel? The area is currently dominated by one state, Israel. Why not promote a recognition of this fact but with equal rights for Palestinians?

[@goldmo2427]

A lot of these award winning journalists are jokes who just spout propaganda and speak like 60 percent truth it’s literally only a real few journalists ..

[@ziadzahran1453]

Here is the proof that no female Israeli was ever raped by Hamas kzbin.info/www/bejne/kHqwl5Znrppso68si=zWE1P41EXJLhDH4V

[@bihasan56able]

Sorry guys, it's so biased and untrue.

[@sonyadoumanian2465]

Beyond Excellent ! Crucial for bringing coexistence for people of Israel and the Palestinians. And maintaining Democracy in the world.

[@georgerizk1631]

I paid 25 dollars for fertilizer in 2020, in 2023 the same bag cost me 54 dollars. Double the cost. Why in America, where the cost of oil didn't double, the cost of fertilizer doubled?

[@asafhenig3833]

Sorry, Mr. Freedman. Israel was not looking for a Revenge . This was not Israel’s goal. The goal is to make sure this doesn’t happen again.

[@naitch16]

What utter nonsense. Sure Israel has a right to exist. But they have been brutally occupying Palestinians for decades. Of course terrorism is not justified but Israel has been a brutal occupier that has killed hundreds of Palestinians during the course of its occupation. Now they are trying to kill as many civilians as possible. Because they are finally being called out on it, it has upset people.

[@pharaohhirani7228]

I am disappointed by Thomas Friedman whom I respect. He is citing all debunked IDF propaganda in this piece. His analyses remains sound but it is disheartening that he is an echo chamber for Netanyahu and the IDF

[@goldmo2427]

lol yea for a sec I thought he seemed legit and educated and next thing he says all propaganda and acted like he saw it .. and tried to push both sides b.s

[@johnadam2885]

Like the IDF propaganda about rape, beheading of babies - for which he has no evidence. He says the women captives still with Hamas had been assaulted and Hamas would not want to release them because of what they might say if released. That was a weak line - based on 'I had heard'. Heard from whom ? He cannot contact them, even IDF cannot contact them. Hence, he is peddling Israeli propaganda. He is a Jew after all.

[@lopezb]

Let us remember how abysmally wrong he was on Iraq. He was one of the cheerleaders for the war, writing rosy editorials for the NYT about how great it was all going to turn out.

[@ziadzahran1453]

Here is the proof that no female Israeli was ever raped by Hamas kzbin.info/www/bejne/kHqwl5Znrppso68si=zWE1P41EXJLhDH4V

[@ziadzahran1453]

Here is the proof that no female Israeli was ever raped by Hamas kzbin.info/www/bejne/kHqwl5Znrppso68si=zWE1P41EXJLhDH4V

[@nathanngumi8467]

Great interview!

[@bobbyulili]

who's winning is a stupid question

[@neekerbreeker]

What a fantastic commentary. Mr. Friedman gives us years of experience, keen observation, and thoughtfulness all put together. And thanks to Mr. Rose for hosting and guiding the discussion with his on-point questions. This is the best thing I've heard politically in months.

[@jiiig8667]

It is so very important to amplify that Israel declared War partly because Hamas almost captured an air base, partly because Hezbollah did try attacking from the north on october 7 and partly because Hamas livestreamed what they did to those young women .. This time was an official declaration of war and i dont think people really appreciate what that means. It is because Hamas forces civilians to stay innocent people died. Israeli soldiers should not carry this burden. It is Hamas who has their blood on their hands.

[@jdsthird]

Both sides have extremists and it is really tragic. Both sides have good and bad and until they get tired of death and destruction only then can they resolve their differences. Long term peace, security, and dignity is what everyone deserves.

[@dpeatebc7265]

This is known as moral equivalence. Did both sides commit 90 suicide bombings over the years and then reward the families of those suicide bombers with money?

[@ajl8198]

i feel this man gives a balanced view

[@zalman57]

Insightful - thanks

[@BothSidesUncensoredTruth-ju9ie]

Are we forgetting that Thomas is well known to have said that if "only" Palestinians could use peaceful resistance by marching to israel, they would be met by young Israelis with flowers who support them? Here is the answer:Palestinians did exactly that and the results were a violent repression by israel where Palestinians were shot and killed and some were shot on the knees by Israeli soldiers. Talk about peaceful resistance!!! Thomas was a total let down in this interview but a bigger disappointment was Charlie's indifference to his nitpicking only highlighting actions where Israeli failures could be countered by HAMAS failures and really glossing over grave misconduct by israel where israel has no counter for it's many unmatched violations. For example Thomas talks about HAMAS violating a ceasefire which existed but he somehow forgets that israel had killed over 150 Palestinians pre 10/7, and settler violence had increased as well as settlement expansions, now, how is that upholding a ceasefire? Thomas ran a soft on israel narrative and totally ignoring the fact that israel is beyond a rogue state, israel would be the most sanctioned entity in the world because of it's actions, israel has a human rights abuses track record that makes North Korea look like a model state. Or maybe Thomas should have just declared that he has a bias for israel instead of camouflaging his biases and prejudices by depriving key grave unmatched Israeli violations. Personally I think that israel is playing a key role in the diminishment of American power and prestige in the world. The American public is sick and tired of foreign wars and it is really trying to avoid unnecessary wars but then you have a situation where israel is dragging America and abusing American power and prestige to get involved in conflicts that have persisted longer than they should due to israel's bad faith approach where they pay lip-service in conflict resolution negotiations with no intent for a peaceful settlement. You find that in those peace talks israel is either dragging it's feet to buy more time to get favourable conditions that would allow israel to isolate the Palestinians without actually solving the issue of the 700000 Palestinians that were expelled from their land and remain displaced. Both Charlie and Thomas being journalists should have really highlighted the fact that israel has killed more journalists than in any conflict and has hindered journalistic access so that there's transparent reporting!!

[@GardenerGeorge]

Excellent comment . I agree . I clicked on this because 30 years ago these two guys seemed bright and insightful . Their time has passed . And I want to stress it is not inherent in aging - there are people who keep learning and adapting . No these two .

[@Thinking_Fast_And_Slow]

Mr. Friedmans paints a logical picture and sensible approach at first blush. But the approach of withdrawing to see how the Gazans react to Hamas is a a highly speculative gamble given that Hamas has all the guns and controls the government. It’s a particularly risky gamble for Israelis given that Gaza is on their border and Hamas has vowed to continue the attacks whenever it can. If Mr. Friedman’s children lived on a Kibbutz bordering Gaza, would he suggest this? After 100 years of Arab attacks on Jews in Israel and multiple rejections of a 2 state solution by the Arabs in the area, maybe it’s time to recognize that it is not possible unless and until the Palestinians no longer hate Jews. But from their actions, it appears to be in their DNA. So maybe the right wing Israelis are right, that the best solution is to expel their sworn enemies from Gaza and the West Bank? 100+ years of Palestinian Arab attacks on Israel and rejection of multiple offers of 2 states including the Peel Commission recommendation of 80% of the land for the Arabs and 20% for the Jews certainly supports this conclusion. As for World opinion and pressure, once the result is accomplished, likely the world will quickly forget like it has with Assad killing 500,000 Syrian Muslims in his own country. The rest of the Arab states are now normalizing relations with Assad. The rest of the world is doing nothing. Russia is bombing civilian targets in Ukraine. Where is the condemnation? Much of the non Western world including India has not missed a beat in continuing to trade with Russia. If I’m living in Israel now, there is no way I am going to allow a militarily independent Palestinian state on my border now or until the Palestinians somehow convince me, not Thomas Friedman, that they no longer hate us.

[@daniellecoh]

War cannot die down until Iran stands down on northern border. Jordan also has tanks on the border.

[@heather-vs9qe]

What is the plan for the next 5 years, any ideas...