Charmed | Chick Flick | Anatomy of an Episode

[@JCLFJanet]

Awww I love Prue’s quip about “it’s the women’s job to save the day.” It works on a meta level because there was a huge explosion in female heroines in media in the 90s and 2000s but also because I love Billy’s totally straight “oh- neat!” acceptance.

[@BetterWithBob]

Yeah it's actually refreshing, since as 'The Hero' of a 1950s B-movie, he just assumes he has to follow that script and he's like 'oh that's how it is in this world, cool' - and looking relieved that he doesn't have to do anything lol

[@MegaMagicdog]

I've always found it cringy - and with the ridiculous films making women think they can have the same strength as a man in a one on one fight, it makes it even worse.

[@Lucky-ei6yh]

@MegaMagicdog it's supernaturally themed, which means many characters, both female and male, have super human abilities. Why does it only bother you when a female character has super human abilities? Because you are one of those annoying incell's that forces your bitterness down other people's throats.

[@rodericktrinity4708]

Chick Flick has always been my favorite episode. You can feel the effort put behind it & stakes are very real since for the most part there isn't anything the girls can do against their attackers magically. Also, it's just a fun watch.

[@BetterWithBob]

Agreed on all points

[@hitmanshax1200]

I love how every sister has her own quotes like phrases Prue has the "Oh, oh..." Piper has the adverbs "Naturally definitely apparently" And phoebe has the "Hello"

[@Android18uk]

Phoebe also screams/yells a lot

[@AmoMe2009]

@hitmanshax1200 OMG I thought I was the only one that noticed that especially Prue’s. I can count so much times she has used a different version of “Oh” especially when she is about to send something or someone flying!!!! 😍 perfect comment!!!!!!

[@BetterWithBob]

Piper says "oh my" a good few times, although only about three are coming to mind

[@augustcanyon3438]

@@BetterWithBob I alwyas liked Piper's signature eye roll of irritation.

[@sanjees]

I’m so glad I’m not the only one who appreciates and loves this episode ❤️

[@susanoconnell9791]

I like how the second half of season two touched on phoebe's loneliness. it was a nice set up for her season three storyline and it was subtle, the writers didn't beat the viewers round the head with it like the love triangle storyline.

[@BetterWithBob]

Ooh that's a good point. And she seemed to contrast with Prue, who wanted normality, while she wanted a little excitement

[@susanoconnell9791]

@@BetterWithBob Am looking forward to the video on phoebe's character arc. I have a lot of thoughts about how they really messed up her character in seasons 5 and 6.

[@badboyluvr]

This is always a great stand alone episode to rewatch. The moment in this episode that lives rent free in my head is when Piper goes to hide in the shower & realizes her obvious mistake.

[@BetterWithBob]

I'm looking forward to Holly's retrospective on that moment lol

[@Niko-qq2vr]

Once you hear: "Hello? Privacy!" "Hellou?! Axe Muderer!" You will never ever forget it, it will be stuck on your head and you will say it eventually on a random moment! Definetly one of the best Charmed quotes of the sisters!

[@BetterWithBob]

I've been wanting to use it in a script for so long 😂

[@TCt83067695]

12:18 shoutout to Cole who makes an appearance in the movie later on in the series 😊

[@BetterWithBob]

I wish they'd had an episode where he actually watches it with her to be like "oh...that's what this is"

[@ThisIsNotAhnJieRen]

This is one of my fave Charmed episodes ever.... It's just so fun..... I always remember Piper hiding in the shower😅

[@BetterWithBob]

and considering it has a curtain and a bath that she can lie down in, a sensible enough hiding place lol

[@MegaMagicdog]

While it's true this is a great parody of horror films, to a lesser degree it's a parody of Charmed itself! There's a line in which they think they already defeated the demon, and are cleaning up a mess at home. Piper mentions something to the effect of, "Don't we usually just start finding out about this guy, rather than vanquishing him so fast?". Thanks also for confirming what I had always thought of the Phoebe/Billy relationship! So sweet and innocent like a first boyfriend. It's also important to note that when Season 4 rolled around, the original script for "Bite Me" was supposed to involve another movie called, "Kill It Before It Bites". Obviously a vintage 50s vampire movie that Phoebe uses as a reference to learn about vampires and how to defeat them. However I do not know if Billy was going to return.

[@BetterWithBob]

Ooh that's an interesting insight And I never knew that about Bite Me. That would have been unusual for sure

[@mysticmelody]

I actually really love and appreciate the stand aloneness of seasons 2. It’s not my favorite season, but I strangely remember them the most?!

[@BetterWithBob]

Some of its standalone episodes are legitimately great, like this, Morality Bites, Pardon My Past, Ms Hellfire etc

[@TheMbangel]

I find it really interesting that they follow the tropes of horror as well, such as the yelling, running and hiding in the shower. Yet, when they face demons, they face them head-on!

[@mykoniichistorychannel]

It was hilarious when Prue was using Piper as a human shield. 😂

[@The1981Johndoe]

Charmed, Buffy AND Scream? I think I've found my new favourite channel.

[@BetterWithBob]

Aww thanks :) I did a small video called Why We Love Scream years ago but I didn't go too in depth because I had a run time deadline

[@The1981Johndoe]

@@BetterWithBob Uuuh, thank you. Haven't watched that one yet. Time to binge. ^^

[@chaklunkaparfum]

5:17 "Leo stayed behind to calm down the..." That's always amused me - obviously, Leo had to be left out so all the running and hiding and screaming worked better, but they didn't even bother to come up with a good reason for why Leo isn't there 🤣

[@BetterWithBob]

I imagine that was a lot of innocents who needed healing since the other riot had at least two dead

[@yournamehere98]

One of my fave episode. I love how self aware it is. Also, this episode can be a very good film.

[@BetterWithBob]

I always thought the Bloody Mary movie would be great to see

[@rachele___]

When I think of funny charmed bits I always think of this episode and the bit with Phoebe flying out of the attic’s window with Piper hearing her but not seeing her (from the season finale). This season has peak humor and I remember being 5 and just dying from laughter. I also love that they didn’t forget about Kill It Before It Dies and that it actually gets referenced again (at least twice, during season three, can’t remember if it happened other times). I just love every last bit of continuity, makes the characters feel more like real people.

[@Joseph_2109]

I would love a The Good, The Bad and The Cursed anatomy one ❤

[@BetterWithBob]

You must be psychic. I was just watching that one for research earlier

[@TomsTube]

Love these Charmed episode anatomies! Please do All Halliwell’s Eve soon, or more from Season 3 in general. Great videos ❤

[@BetterWithBob]

oh All Halliwells Eve will have to wait until closer to the appropriate time ;)

[@TomsTube]

@@BetterWithBob Yay spooky season!!!!

[@angelaholmes8888]

I absolutely enjoyed this episode it's so fun and one of my favorite episodes from season 2

[@Esmeralda2diamon]

I remember that I saw Scream when I was around eleven years old and got so scared that it took many years for me to watch it again. But I still enjoyed this episode. Mostly because thought it was exacting and funny at the same time . 🙂

[@BetterWithBob]

If it makes you feel better, my mother saw it at 50something and got nightmares, but had to watch the second half the next day because she HAD to know what happened next lol

[@foreverkent2225]

Ohhh that’s why I love chick flick so much. It’s cut from the same cloth as scream. How’ve I never noticed that before

[@Squrtile101]

Any tv show that does any kind of horror movie/Halloween/Slasher episode is always my favorite

[@CAL_91]

Charmed season 2 might be overall weak BUT the good episodes are GOOD. This one is one of my favorite “fun” ones

[@BetterWithBob]

Agreed ^_^

[@kateausten2215]

Can you do The day magic died and then finale please ???!!

[@susanstorm7910]

My favorite episode in the show

[@BetterWithBob]

It seems to be in Drew Fuller's top 3 now XD

[@susanstorm7910]

@@BetterWithBob haha, that’s awesome XD

[@ShanaJahsintaWalters]

Phoebe is and always will be my favorite Charm witch. She is the reason I watched Charmed in the first place.

[@BetterWithBob]

Very nice 👌

[@mykoniichistorychannel]

I was always a Prue stan. But I personally think season 2 was the best for Phoebe and Prue.

[@hannahlarge5738]

great video again -with most shows i'd struggle to pick a favourite episode, but with charmed, no hesitation, "chick flick" is by far the best episode.

[@fitzytail896]

Another reason why i relate with Phoebe during its early seasons. I grew up with Slasher movies and yes Scream is my #1 fave movie.

[@tristiancirca89]

This was great! I can't wait for The Phoebe Problem video!

[@BetterWithBob]

It's taking a while to finish lol

[@LeoCHYen_]

Yet another great commentary! The Little Mermaid was my childhood crush as well 😁

[@BetterWithBob]

I wish I hadn't forgotten that Ariel was modelled off Alyssa when I recorded this video lol

[@LeoCHYen_]

@@BetterWithBob What a coincidence, right?

[@BetterWithBob]

@@LeoCHYen_ and she’s wearing a Miami High Mermaids t-shirt too

[@sanjees]

This has always been and will always be one of my favourite (if not my favourite) episode of all time ❤❤

[@LaviniaDeMortalium]

I'm surprised the "Demon of Illusion," who incites violence, wasn't welcomed onto the board of The Four Horsemen. Maybe he was a reject lol

[@BetterWithBob]

In fairness if he brought the cast of a war epic off the big screen who couldn't be killed, he could probably cause a whole apocalypse by himself

[@LouiseAndersen1991]

One episode no one ever talks about is the pilot. Not exactly a favorite of mine, but think about how many series never make it past that. Another great one you could cover would be Wyatts birth 5.15. One of my personal favorites. Either way: please just keep making Charmed videos. A really underrated tv series

[@BetterWithBob]

I did one on the pilot actually ;)

[@draeblack5665]

Top 5 favorite episodes

[@kristinaamos5180]

My absolute favorite scene in this episode is when they all ran into each other in the hallway🤣🤣🤣

[@BetterWithBob]

It is iconic 😅

[@Gozyugerblue]

This episode is really funny and hilarious when the charmed ones face off funny movies characters from horror movies

[@ceciliacarlid6113]

1:18 Phoebe was talking about Billy being her "first love", so I think Prue's line "you weren't even supposed to watch" was referring to Phoebe being under age back then

[@xarenanotmyrealname4134]

I think maybe it would be cool to do episodes that mainly focus on particular character like brain drain in season four or that one where Prue's astral projection ruins her sisters wedding hell even that one where Leo doesn't have his memories or white lighter powers and has to pass a stupid elder test I'll bet you point without more examples.

[@BetterWithBob]

I did one on Brain Drain a few months ago actually 🙂

[@AmoMe2009]

Once again…another excuisite video from BetterWithBob. As much as I prefer the more serious and grandoise episodes of Charmed as opposed to the ‘fun’ episodes like this one, I do appreciate the review on this and do look at the episode more deeply and comparatively to other works of art that I love(90s horror like The Faculty, Scream and Scream 2. PS: I, too, love that one single shot of Prue running.

[@BetterWithBob]

It's pretty impressive. I don't know if we had another shot in any other episode that started there and went through the whole downstairs actually 🤔

[@TCt83067695]

​@@BetterWithBobthe closest was Sense and Sensibility where the shot goes from Phoebe watching, you guessed it, the same horror movie and going from the living room all around into the hallway, the conservatory and then into the kitchen as Paige followed

[@christianwright5813]

you've got to do a video on "the Good, The Bad, The Cursed" i loved charmed's version of a western and the phoebe moments are sooooo good!

[@BetterWithBob]

I was rewatching that the other day. Alyssa's "in pain" acting is so intense

[@invadertifxiii]

Yesss scream is ny favorite horror movie

[@MitchellWaldrep]

Prue: "That was an antique you ASSHOL(hand over mouth)." I die laughing at that, because I'll bet that was a Shannon adlib......LMFAO. After all I'm only 7 days older than Shannon Doherty so I feel connect to her and always have been all the way back to Little House on the Prairie....LOL

[@KalokerinesDiakopes1]

Such a fun episode and it included great catchy lines!

[@lovetolovefairytales]

I agree the moral panic over various media is excessive and, no, technically media can't turn you into something you're not BUT I think people who have unfortunate leanings in the direction of violence or people who don't watch ANYTHING besides violence will destroy their brains and frustratingly give the moral panickers an example to point to. It really makes things harder for those of us with balanced moderate habits who just want to enjoy our favorite media as a method of relaxation.

[@xarenanotmyrealname4134]

I've always been curious about what the monster from Kill it before it dies is I mean why didn't the demon take the monster from it out of the movie?

[@michaeld.williamsiii9026]

Love this episode of season 2, it’s a personal favorite of mine.💫🤘🏾💫 Love your video analysis and breakdowns also Bob you’re one of the best!!!😃😀😃 Also I too LOVE Scream!!!

[@BetterWithBob]

😁😁

[@goddessofanguish]

High five from a fellow Lulu fan - she’s always been my favourite FF lady. (Also great video as always!

[@BetterWithBob]

I think Garnet and Rinoa might be my favourites but there's just too many good ones to choose from ^_^

[@401felix]

My hands down favorite for one off boyfriends has to be pipers in season 1 ep 3 or4 (maybe) where she falls for a ghost.

[@BetterWithBob]

Love Mark too. I was rewatching that episode the other day

[@caitlynskiff2001]

I don't like horror movies very much (apart from Ginger Snaps which is my favorite movie of all time) but I do love this episode. I think I like humorous, less violent, less jump scare horror. I don't want nightmares, I just want to laugh at people being dumb. Chick Flick is the perfect standalone of Charmed. Best episode of the show.

[@Zivilin]

You should give Evil Dead a watch then, especially the sequels leaned into the comedy-horror a lot. And the 2015 tv show. But yeah, i love the Chick Flick episode too as someone that is not really into horror.

[@BetterWithBob]

Ooh Ginger Snaps is great. I only saw it for the first time a couple of years ago, so I already knew Emily Perkins from IT and Katharine Isabelle from Carrie lol

[@caitlynskiff2001]

@@BetterWithBob my brothers are both really into horror so they were the ones who showed me Ginger Snaps. I knew Emily and Katharine from Another Cinderella Story.

[@lasagnaface1449]

At 8:00 I don't know why but it reminded me jf maybe you can do a deep dive on my favorite Charmed villain of all time, Barbas. He has such a consistent presence that I know you could make an incredible video on!

[@lovetolovefairytales]

Ironically, Charmed itself was one of the moral panic media when i was growing up. When my bossy stepmother wouldn't let me watch H2o just add water and i asked why, she said because their powers were bad for me to watch and it was "the same thing as if I was watching Charmed". 😂 She said it as if Charmed was the most morally degrading thing ever and would turn me into a satan worshiper. Years later, as an adult, i saw your videos went "oh, yeah, Charmed!" and was like hey this looks good. Just like h2o eh? Lets find out. 😅 Now I'm a fan. I've almost finished season 3. And no negative moral effects so far! 😂

[@BetterWithBob]

The best forbidden fruit lol

[@ChrisWolff2013]

Watching this episode makes me realize how lovely Shannen looked in red.

[@imanicartwright4463]

This is such a fun candy episode!

[@imanicartwright4463]

I honestly never considered how much I enjoyed the horror elements of the shows early seasons.

[@BetterWithBob]

@@imanicartwright4463 Season 7 did seem to bring some of them back. I noticed a lot of those episodes feel like throwbacks to Season 1 storylines

[@marocat4749]

ok to be fair, i cant argue for prue there, horror is great if great. also phoes horror sawiness saves the day.

[@williethomas5116]

This was a fun episode. But it was a great character driven episode. You get to see Phoebe struggle with her dark side Prie with hero complex and Piper fighting being a witch. This is right up their with the best episodes. It might be the best filler episode of the series. Right up there with the power of three blondes.

[@reignk1793]

This makes no sense whatsoever. This episode doesn’t see Phoebe struggle with her dark nor Prue with her hero complex no Piper fighting being a witch.

[@williethomas5116]

​@@reignk1793this comment was for the previous video. It posted on this one but I didn't finish this episode. This comment was about the episode with Tyler Christopher as the Warlock Anton and their previous lives.

[@DJtheBlack-RibbonedRose]

I was today years old when I learned Holly Marie Combs was in Dr. Giggles, which I'd heard of but never watched because you can say DUMBEST. TITLE. FOR A HORROR MOVIE IN PARTICULAR. EVER?! But good for you, Holly, getting to re-visit that time of your life via Chick Flick! (And of course, that trend would then continue when we'd get Rose McGowan of previous Scream fame to play Paige! She may not have gotten her sequel, but she got her five seasons as a Charmed One!). 👏And as a fellow horror fan, it's nice to hear you be so open about your enjoyment and exploration of the genre as it led up to Chick Flick's premiere. 😊🖤 Also, if Prue is *that* critical of Phoebe's crush on Billy, WHOO BOY would she be telling us all to get serious help if she saw the fictional crush standards held by Internet socials today. 😆😅

[@BetterWithBob]

Given her attraction to Bane, you just KNOW that Prue was probably one of those girls that read Wuthering Heights and kinda sorta had a thing for Heathcliffe 😂

[@Justitia_Nomen]

Wait... WAIT. Holly was in Dr Giggles?! I hadn't seen that movie since I was a child!

[@DJtheBlack-RibbonedRose]

@@BetterWithBob Bwahahaha now I'm just imagining a follow-up episode that has the sisters being locked inside classical romance novels by a demon with sights on a particular Innocent (maybe an author), and as they jump from setting to setting trying to escape, they stop inside Wuthering Heights and Prue can't help being low-key starstruck, revealing the secret Heathcliff crush she kept to herself due to the "hidden rebel" side that's slowly started to come out this season, and Phoebe happily drags her for it. 😆

[@danesamuels2185]

Okay you’re a Scream fan too! You need to do a video or video series on SCREAM as well ❤

[@BetterWithBob]

I did a small video a couple years ago titled Why We Love Scream but I had to keep it to 12 minutes so obviously not too much covered

[@ReviewsWithAL_]

I’M READY

[@BetterWithBob]

You learned that script fast 😲

[@ReviewsWithAL_]

@@BetterWithBob for the video 🤣🤣

[@queencerseilannister3519]

In the 80s it was Heavy Metal music that was supposedly going to turn us into devil worshippers. 😂 And just a random side note, I can't stand how Phoebe kisses.. she eats faces.🤣🤣🤣

[@BetterWithBob]

I imagine it's more enjoyable when you're on the receiving end

[@gg454lune]

In fact, I kinda like Prue's "It's the woman's job to save the day". My only concern is that she says it's the 21st century when it wasn't yet (2000 is the last year of the 20th century). It's a minor problem but I am constantly bothered by the minor problems 😅.

[@koreyr494]

Can the sisters hear the *zings* & *jingles* of Prue’s Telekinesis?

[@BetterWithBob]

Hmm interesting. We never do know if they're diegetic or not - as in do they actually happen when she uses her powers or is it just a sound effect for the audience?

[@ParadoxFreak]

Life really is better with Bob 🤔

[@regeneratedwitch]

I love your analysis and the way you form and justify your opinions I’ll end up with a crush on you 😂

[@BetterWithBob]

Seek out a film called The Casting Man. It'll kill that crush dead in ten seconds flat lol

[@regeneratedwitch]

@@BetterWithBob sounds like a prescription but Imma look it up xD you're hilarious.

[@Justitia_Nomen]

I cannot wait for that episode about the problem with Phoebe

[@BetterWithBob]

It's a long one and the script still isn't finished lol

[@Justitia_Nomen]

@@BetterWithBob Hoping you list every crime she and Alyssa Milano have committed with this show 💀

[@toddbeaton1512]

like this episode

[@MandiaM27]

I hate horror, maybe because i am not scared easily. i have been through real horror material to voluntarily watch it on screen. I am a romance scifi girl. I want to feel warm and fuzzy and escape to a world where real love is possible. but this episode does contain some romance so I like it. And lots of scifi.

[@BetterWithBob]

I highly recommend Dark City. It's sci-fi with a rather sweet love story in there. There's something very epic about a man in prison using telekinesis to smash a plexiglass wall just so he can kiss his beloved wife

[@mahtim]

🎉

[@saraa.4295]

Interesting idea to compare the feminism of buffy and charmed... I think it's a bit like arguing whether ice cream or pizza is better.. Buffy, and her friends, were teenager, the series ended when buffywas about the age phoebe was whrn charmed started. Charmed were women, working, marrying, having children..and saving the world of course ;) But the feminism in charmed, for my taste, felt very grounded and nuanced, especially the dynamics piper had with leo..

[@BetterWithBob]

My friend (whose favourite Buffy season is actually the first) says that what she likes most about Charmed is that it was always about the women having to figure things out and work together to get something done, even if they had different perspectives

[@saraa.4295]

@@BetterWithBob i always enjoyed the family themes also. And now that i am older myself, i also appreciate that they depict very well how "finding yourself" is a never ending process, and how we can help each other along the way ;)

[@superdani152003]

Lovely video, your work is just..swell(*wink*wink)

[@BetterWithBob]

What can I say? That line works ;)

[@angelaholmes8888]

Bob would you ever do a video on scream 5 or scream 6🤔

[@BetterWithBob]

I still have to watch 6 lol. 4 is actually my favourite of the sequels ^_^

[@angelaholmes8888]

@@BetterWithBob I recently watched 6 I really enjoyed it

[@rbvibes9958]

4 was definitely slept on. It was waaay better than 3 and honestly better than 5 tbh. 6 is kind of a tie

[@angelaholmes8888]

Yes charmed the original series is a more feminist show indeed well actually the early seasons are

[@foreverkent2225]

With joss whedon at the helm of buffy, I’d definitely say charmed was more feminist, at least while Constance burge was still in a position of authority. Once brad kern took over completely, and the sisters began wearing the skimpiest outfits television would let them get away with, then I’d say the pendulum swings back towards buffy

[@BetterWithBob]

I mean, the later seasons still make interesting points that you didn't see in Buffy - Piper became a mother, was still presented as the most powerful person in the story and also got to be put in the traditionally male role of the mentor. Skimpy outfits aren't automatically anti-feminist, since that was the mainstream fashion at the time, and when fashion changed by the last two seasons, so did the skimpiness.

[@foreverkent2225]

@@BetterWithBob that’s true. Though instead of storylines involving demons coming after Wyatt or him being a supernatural baby, show some episodes that actually show Piper going through the more relatable everyday struggles of being a new mom, like balancing work and family. They showed a lot in season 4 how demon fighting interferes with her having friends and a normal life. They could’ve shown her wanting to do the regular new mom things, like befriend other moms, or breast feed, and have demon fighting interfere with that. I will concede though that they did course correct in season 7 and 8. Now all this is me nitpicking, it was still an all female led action series and I still love season 5 as one of my favorites. Simply for Paige’s red hair alone lol.

[@folkloreuh]

Joss Whedon is more famously toxic but Brad Kern is no angel.

[@folkloreuh]

@@BetterWithBobBuffy basically becomes a foster mother for Dawn, especially in s7 which is kind of all about nurturing the next generation as a strength more powerful than any of the brute more “masculine” domination of fighting that had come previously. But either way I don’t think you need to compare women or drag one down to build the other up. They both have their strengths & weaknesses as far as shows run by men about women go. Nor do you need to make excuses for their wardrobe, Alyssa Milano has even explicitly called it out as “running around half naked to appeal to a male audience.”

[@gg454lune]

So I guess Piper is your 3rd favorite Halliwell sister, since you said multiple times that Paige was your favorite and Prue your least favorite and you just told us in this video that Phoebe was your 2nd favorite. So it's from the youngest to the oldest one.

[@BetterWithBob]

Yes I did not in fact realise it went in that order lol

[@gg454lune]

You can also say they are in alphabetical order but I guess we are very few to get interested in this kind of detail.

[@folkloreuh]

Being a different sexualized mythical creature each week isn’t exactly what I’d call the “female lens.” Joss is more famously toxic but Brad Kern is no saint either. & I really feel as showrunner he had a heavy hand in the Alyssa/Shannen on set drama, as we’ve since learned many showrunners did (Mark Schwahn, Matthew Weiner, Lenkov, Lindelof, etc) which studios enabled (probably to keep casts from pulling a Friends & collectively bargaining.) Anyway, no need to discredit any of Buffy or Willow’s relatable female experiences to bolster the Halliwell sisters. They both have their strengths & weaknesses.

[@BetterWithBob]

"More of a female lens IN PARTS" - exact quote

[@ScribblebytesWorldwide]

Show us the clip of *your* movie!!!

[@BetterWithBob]

It's called Mad Cows From Planet Moo and can be found on here at the North Wicklow Films channel :)

[@invadertifxiii]

What phoebe problem

[@angelaholmes8888]

In the later seasons phoebe definitely becomes more selfish

[@DJtheBlack-RibbonedRose]

In his "Charmed & Its Massive Cole Problem" video, there's a chapter Bob devotes to Phoebe's mishandling of Cole's S5 return and how much influence that went on to play in his badly written character downfall (plus Paige too for that matter, in spite of his open favoritism towards her).

[@Poppin-film]

Phoebe is a character that suffers from writing dilemma, when prue died they knew what to do with piper, but not her, so the forced her into this piperesc role that didn't not work for her character.

[@BetterWithBob]

I do think Phoebe shook it off in Seasons 7 and 8, which is one of the reasons I like those seasons

[@BradLad56]

I think it's been taken up to 11 these days concerning sensitivity. I mean they've slapped trigger warnings on animated films cause they might offend people due to how certain characters are depicted. Hell, they even called Michael Myers, a character known for killing everyone in his path, homophobic because he killed a gay couple in Halloween Kills. That's kinda insane to come to that conclusion since, as I mentioned, killing is kind of his thing no matter who it is.

[@BetterWithBob]

Well back then they called him a misogynist because he killed three sexually active women in the first movie, so it's never really gone away. Debra Hill was especially annoyed about that interpretation

[@BradLad56]

@@BetterWithBob He's killed men as well so I don't know what they were talking about.