ChatGPT: What Does This Mean For Doctors?

In this video, we explore the question of whether ChatGPT, a new artificial intelligence tool, will make doctors obsolete. As we all know, technology is constantly advancing and changing the way we do things. But with the development of ChatGPT, a tool that uses natural language processing to generate responses based on a given input, some are wondering if it could potentially replace the need for doctors. In this video, we'll take a closer look at ChatGPT and its capabilities, as well as discussing the potential implications for the medical field. We'll also hear from experts in the field and get their thoughts on the matter. So join us as we dive into this important and timely topic. Will ChatGPT make doctors obsolete? Watch the video to find out!
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[@elzeinMD]

Great video Dr. Liu. Keep in mind that this version ChatGPT is not connected to the internet, and the AI validations are based on local data. I think once it the input data are coming in real time validated and verified API's of medical sources "like PubMed, UptoDate, Amboss", will be a game changer.

[@MrSurferDoug]

Great video, I am reminded of the quote “Any doctor who can be replaced by a computer should be.” Harvard Medical School’s Dr. Warner Slack, one of the early pioneers in medical informatics - Still I would rather have a doctor with 20 years of experience than ChatGPT to treat me but AI can be a tool to help the doctor and help with general medical education

[@ziphomasuku]

I also see it as a tool to help improve medicine

[@dingyizhang7929]

Hey Conan, big fan of your internal medicine videos and rotation guides, coming from a medical clerk in Canada! One thing we should keep in mind when interpreting these outputs is that the language models lack symbolic processing abilities. Simply put, ChatGPT is trained to read the prior texts and guess the best next word which fits the context. So it is not actively thinking/reasoning about the symptoms, it's mapping the statistically most probable words based on the context. This explains how it picked up on vertical skew but decided to do nothing with it, as most vertigo texts it's been trained on probably ended up with antihistamine management not some statistically rarer stroke events. Algebra promp like "If when I was 5 my brother was 3 times older than me, now I'm 60 years old, how old is my brother?" also exposes this weakness, you'll see it stumble in the arithmetics or the algebra. For this reason, I think the current implementation (statistically most probable word mapping) of language models is limited where high amounts of clinical reasoning is required, but they excel very well at template generating and generic writing as seen in the SOAP example. This is by no means bashing ChatGPT or language models! 1 year ago, the state-of-the-art language AI would not be able to correctly answer "5 + 5 =", it used to say "7" or something ridiculous. ChatGPT can now answer this correctly, probably through brute force training on tons more text data. As an AI researcher, this is very exciting development, I'm hoping to see deep language models integrate with neurosymbolic AI. Neurosymbolic entails transforming the free text into the underlying logical problem that the computer can solve, instead of relying guessing the next best word. Thanks as always!

[@ConanLiuMD]

Thank you for those extra details! I did try out the example arithmetic problem you posted and yeah, it's interesting how it gets something as simple as that wrong but can write a full-fledged H&P. Awesome you are still involved in AI research and stuff while in medical school! Do you have plans for how you are going to incorporate them together in your future?

[@daretobegreat3124]

ChatGPT is a Natural Language Processor. Its role is not to find the correct answers but rather to interpret the communication from the human and to formulate the response into the best communication as asked for. There are already many efforts underway to have ChatGPT and similar NLP translate the request from the human into the format needed to get the very accurate back-end data-oriented AI to give an accurate answer. See kzbin.info/www/bejne/rYqqk4xuZpaig9E for more info on this.

[@villagenounours]

It will definitely shake up the supply/demand in healthcare, and how doctors are trained. A young doctor equipped with chat gpt will certainly be able to increase his workload. Instead of needing 10 years to be a MD, it can be shorten to let's say 6 years or even less. Who will do a better job between : a nurse equipped with chat gpt 8 (a future version lol) and a doctor without chat gpt. 2026, in just 3 years, I'm sure a 5th year medical student + chatgpt 7 can do >80% of the job of a 10 years of study physician. It's already a big game changer.

[@wasimqureshi7725]

ChatGPT: The AI chatbot Explained For Mental Health : kzbin.info/www/bejne/fpPZhZyYl95gq5Y

[@Sherdz2002]

I don't know when A.I. will replace us but it is learning at an exponential rate every day. I have done programming coding right now and I think programmers are going to be the first out of the job.

[@winsomehax]

Here's an easy way to look at this. If everything you do is on a computer... pretty much doomed. If your job requires manual skills in the real world (electrician, plumbers, surgeons - and that can include people skills) you'll be around a bit longer since robotics aren't moving quite as fast as AI.

[@goosinator6066]

@@winsomehax This technology wouldn't be around if people on computers weren't around. What happens when a bug or a cyber attack takes the ai down and theres no people around to fix it?

[@winsomehax]

@@goosinator6066 Not sure why it's relevant that "people on computers" built it. They did... and it doesn't matter. I'm one of the "people on computers" whose job is going to be obliterated sooner rather than later. I'm just realistic and not resorting to cope. I'm also insanely confident that AI is a massive boon for education - not some catastrophe that will render all humans ignorant fools. As for the "cyber attack"... well then the entire world falls apart... we passed that point some time ago. Our entire system is built on technology. Taking it away would be disaster. There's no stopping technology, you're going to have to come to peace with it.

[@CptAvenger]

The USMLE definitely NEEDS to bring back the "Step 2 Clinical Skills" exam which they stopped administering to 3rd and 4th year medical students in mid-2020. Passing USMLE Step 2 CS has been an essential part of becoming a U.S.-trained and licensed physician since the early 2000's and the exam needs to be resumed immediately without fail.

[@JohnD-do3ge]

No…. It fails to provide students feedback and lacks room for remediation and there is no proof the exam actually accomplished its mission of protecting the public There was a National petition in 2016 calling for an end to Step 2 CS and it was signed by tens of thousands of students and doctors. You’re in the minority -most people don’t want it

[@indian-jc5bo]

Yes , i agree 👍🏻

[@OmarBickell]

I would be really curious to see you evaluate its diagnosis and prognosis based on actual test results in addition to symptoms.

[@bryan5065]

We're definitely all doomed within a few decades, max. Probably sooner. GPT just needs a way to reality-check answers and cite sources that can be verified. Once it does that, medicine done by humans is over. But it won't just be doctors. Almost all knowledge fields will be downsized. Productivity will shoot up as wages plummet for all but a small few. Getting large amounts of equity to your name, as soon as possible, is the only way I can see to be protected from poverty, and even that isn't a guarantee if the whole economy crashes.

[@luisfelipe6368]

That's an extraordinarily pessimistic scenario. Even if GPT learns to give a 100% accurate diagnosis (and that is a huge IF), most people would not trust AI with their life, they would want human confirmation. It will be (some argue it already is) a valuable tool for physicians, but I don't think they would ever replace us. To left an AI in charge of the diagnosis and treatment of a human being would open several debates on bioethics and so on. Not really a reason to fear, for now.

[@StoutProper]

@@luisfelipe6368 it’s 83% correct on general medical diagnosis already, and it’s a just generic ai. When a specific one is built A and trained on specifically medical data, it will be far more accurate. It means doctors can oversee AI diagnosis to check they’re correct and deal with a lot more patients within a given timeframe. Doctors won’t be replaced completely, but the fact they will be far more productive and able to do a lot more work means a lot of them will be. This applies to all knowledge workers.

[@luisfelipe6368]

@@StoutProper Oh I am aware of that. I am a medical student, so far I'm getting an above 90% accuracy rate on the cases I've been feeding it, which is mind boggling to say the least. I has been helping me make flashcards, interpretate lab results, organizing my notes and my understanding of a case better than any teacher. I can honestly say that this is the largest jump in technology since the smartphone back in '07. My productivity has been increased significally.

[@StoutProper]

@@luisfelipe6368 it’s way better than a smartphone, it actually increases productivity

[@lukaskantor2645]

Man. AI does not going to build my new fence around house. AI does not repair Water tank in my house. Could AI make a new electric in my flat? Fuck i need change bulb. Hehe manual craftsman are going to be a new milionares..

[@BrianGi]

I got it to sit the USMLE in my latest video as well. Mind-blowing stuff.

[@scootyallindiaride9222]

What do you mean?

[@senaneminli6875]

And think about what this model could do if it is trained specifically for medicine☺️

[@MrErick1160]

I have been suffering from a chronic health problem and I'm looking forward to the moment I'll be able to feed the AI with all my exam results and so he could provide new avenues for testing. Because nothing could be found and I've done tons of examinations.

[@andreimclive]

Yeah its pretty scary. The redditor that says, "now try to type the 15 min ramble that a patient gives". As a software dev myself, this exact argument was made for software developers getting product details from the product manager /users / stakeholders "now try to type the 15min ramble that a PM would give you, for sure developers will not be replaced becaues they still need to transform vague informations into actual software"- just as doctors need to transform vague patient information into actual valuable and valid diagnosis. Yes, might not be there today, but it will get there. Because after ChatGPT a lot of new startups will arise doing alternatives in various shapes and forms and specializations, since the industry understood the power of it. Damn thing reached 1 mil users in 5 days. Its going to be exponential growth from here. I reckon I got like 2 years to respecialize to content creator or something, before my job becomes obsolete. Im trying to understand these days what will become actual valuable in terms of skills a human must have, in the future, in the context of AI being omnipresent. For doctors, I expect this to become very useful in terms of helping the doctor "did you consider this and that" etc.

[@EyeColorAnalyzerUnika]

I like the argument that A.I. could help reduce burnout among health practitioners including doctors.

[@execthegaming]

A lot primary care physicians I've met have seemed pretty miserable. I'd rather not have to speak to them anymore. Looking forward to the day when I can just talk with an AI, and it can pass me along to a human specialist when there is the need.

[@drbentran]

Loved the video! r/residency is certainly an interesting place and really hilarious seeing ChatGPTs reaction to when you want to order blood cultures. Hopefully we'll see AI enter the workflow augmentation for doctors because my hands are tired from typing notes already!

[@harikrishnanm81]

Need the same with gpt 4

[@andersonsystem2]

I believe this AI will benefit doctors. It's the future, it's here, and things will get better. nice video

[@Ms-zr1dn]

It will certainly benefit medicine. Whether it will benefit doctors remains to be seen.

[@emailmesaleem]

No, it will not completely replace the doctor. However, it can help to improve the doctor's productivity and make them more efficient. It can act like a calculator, providing useful insights and information that can help the doctor make better decisions. Additionally, using this technology can help doctors become smarter and better at their job, allowing them to provide better care to their patients

[@Kushufy]

It will definitely replace doctors but it's going to be a while because responsibility becomes harder

[@Leto2ndAtreides]

If there was a drive to use it in medicine, it may be possible for it to do the work of physicians within 1-2 years - but healthcare has tons of red tape and vested interests... So expect slow progress in the developed world. Still, 5+ years... New businesses also fight to make money. 10 years... We may well start having health monitoring embedded in the body and other ridiculous stuff - the thing with AI is that lots of stuff is about to speed up (including research)

[@maxlichtenberger7447]

Cool Video ! But According to Prof Peter Jones(Vertigo Specialist) Without Nystagmus you should Not do a Hints

[@winsomehax]

You want to really scare yourself? ChatGPT wasn't trained on medicine specifically. The same model can do this in pretty much all fields. Wait until you see what the fine-tuned ones will do (they take the base model and fine tune it with medical knowledge). And then look at stuff like Microsoft BioGPT (which is base don GPT2). What's coming down the pipe will be amazing. And even if you can't take humans out of the loop entirely,.you may be able to take most of them... And provide expertise to places that would previously have never been able to have a true expert. The implications for every job are huge. Even if you sensibly shouldn't take what it says as gospel (it can hallucinate), there's nothing wrong with using it as an often brilliant but occasionally wildly unreliable opinion on what's happening.

[@thedocgamer]

not really ....there is something called clinical medicine where you have to pick up the clinical signs and symptoms .....i fed some of my patient data it could not come to a correct diagnosis

[@LisaRNCEO]

It is insane. Can't wait to use ai for part of my clinical reviews and research

[@jserenity]

I imagine this intelligence incorporated in alexa/siri/google within your mobile intelligent device (phone is outdated call for such device)

[@MsAldil]

This cannot replace a surgeon...atleast for the next 50 years.

[@newcrossflightz]

can ChatGPT diagnose disease in protocol fashion and can it ask important questions?

[@fangyuanchen8997]

I think this only serves as reference for further human confirmation cuz machines can't take responsibility once things go wrong

[@fangyuanchen8997]

BTW, Higashino Keigo had written several sarcastic novels regarding auto-generated book reviews etc. Funny to read.

[@MrErick1160]

the problem is chatgpt is wrong on A LOT of things. So the thing is chatGPT as it is now is def not reliable, chatGPT should only be used to summarize, rewrite and organize information!

[@ConquerJS]

People keep repeating this like it's some deep insight when this problem can be fixed by fine-tuning and using document embeddings, along with some prompt engineering. Problem solved. So it's not a real issue.

[@MrErick1160]

@@ConquerJS it is a problem, having an ai that doesn't show reliable information when its sole purpose is to do so, is actually a real problem 😂. Having hacks to make it better is not a solution for 99% of people that don't want to bother. A google-like search engine should provide information effortlessly

[@mortenfransrud7676]

I now finally understand why my doctor asked me why I'm at his office every time I got back from some tests... it's because it's impossible to extract the information one needs to map out the patient and what's going on with him/her. So doctors are just people who are certified to guess what's wrong with you out of the abstract essay the previous medical Profesional wrote about you.

[@UzairAkram-fg8gs]

You need to remake this with gpt 4

[@debigdogk9563]

Where can I find it ?

[@ConanLiuMD]

Just Google chatgpt and you can find it&

[@debigdogk9563]

Thanks this is truly awesome 👏

[@Leto2ndAtreides]

You'd want to start a new session if you don't want it to accidentally reuse random info from the existing session.

[@bilalhamurabi3362]

but then again who can be sued if ai is wrong?

[@HarveyCastroMD]

I wanted to be on your show. I am on linkedin. I look forward to working with you on #chatgpthealthcare

[@Ekehart]

I don't think it'll take physician's jobs, honestly. It can't replace judgement, gut feelings, or actual eyes on patients. If anything, I think it'll become a massive tool for reports and providing, as you stated, differential diagnoses. Might also do things you might not think of, tests and orders and what not.

[@bilalhamurabi3362]

well youre wrong because this basically turns everybody into a doctor. you can do 6 months of training and chatgpt does the rest.

[@steph8007]

Def wrong

[@justaguyfromreddit]

Just started med school now I'm disheartened

[@Directemark]

trust me when say this many high paid job will be gone by 2025 because chatgbt and google offerings will mean businesses will need less professional staff

[@HarveyCastroMD]

#ChatGPTHealthcare #ChatGpt

[@ianpun5650]

chatGPT doesn't know the physician only has 10 minutes with a patient.

[@steph8007]

Physicians dont either

[@DJHUNTERELDEBASTADOR]

Que rapido habla

[@erwingomez1249]

when is it going to be irresponsible for a practitioner to not use a.i. tech?

[@blumenfieldmike9398]

Any time. You gain knowledge to use it, not to rely on a machine run by a company that refuses accountability and does not see the patient face-to-face. Do not use the term practitioner, it is either a physician or a nurse or a dumb-fuck in between.

[@AdvancedNursesEdConsultant]

Medical coders nightmare, insurance payor's fantasy.

[@kelvinyu339]

MD - mostly defunct. Most doctors should be taken out of the field anyway. This is speeding up the process.

[@ConanLiuMD]

I disagree, but I am biased!

[@aaronmorber1943]

No it's not going to replace doctors don't be silly

[@debigdogk9563]

Hi Conan is chatgpt an app of a search engine

[@ConanLiuMD]

No it’s different!!