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[@JustinWimpey]

never forget that mankind stepped foot on the moon, and then many decades later decided to put wheels on suitcases

[@julianbinder2371]

apparently bearings that small and good enough were too expensive to be feasible

[@ShaggyMummy]

i Love that plywood winch story. I had a similar experience my senior year in highschool, Teams were tasked with making a Toy boat, and we were graded by Speed of the boat vs cost of materials, The school only provided students with AA batteries and those Crappy grey DC motors. So, I went home grabbed some scrap metal ducting, packing foam, duct tape , a $1 flashlight and a Broken RC plane. and made myself an air boat. While everyone else was focused on making water propellers. i come in with a speedy airboat and litterally blow the competition out of the water.

[@mab4110]

PETG cheaper and better than standard PETG roll available is very exciting.

[@lonewolfsstuck]

As someone who just likes printing PETG overall, i am excited.

[@adamwespiser9209]

“Fast/cheap/quality” is about the development cycle, not the qualities or properties of parts.
 In the examples you mentioned, you were able to achieve properties in parts (or in the SpaceX case) by pouring in engineering hours and project timeline that allowed you to forgo buying parts, or for SpaceX to figure out they can reduce parts. That’s not fast, and it’s certainly not cheap from a project management perspective, or if you had to pay someone else.

 The triangle, is about recognizing that tradeoffs in development exist, and although we aren’t stuck in some tradeoff space, there’s still a relationship between fast/cheap/quality. If your solution is that is “well, put in more engineering hours”, it’s ignoring the “fast” part of triangle, and it’s ignoring the “cheap” aspect of your labour.

 The “fast/cheap/quality” IMO works best when it’s applied strictly to the development process, where your cost is majority engineering hours. This is why it’s useful in software. In manufacturing, where manufacturing costs can dominate, I’d agree that it makes less sense.

[@noisycarlos]

That's what I was gonna comment. The raptor engine it's being made faster, cheaper, and better now. But to get to this point took a lot of time and money. The manufacturing is better, faster, cheaper. The process to get there was not. That said, I agree with his point and enjoyed the winch story

[@TheGlitchyCorgi]

Came here to say the exact same thing. I will point out that project managers will still freak out about pinching pennies and try to rush the design phase on physical hardware.

[@keenheat3335]

@@TheGlitchyCorgi changing a design is literally the cheapest section to modify and have the most significantly impact down stream, trying changing hardware design when you already spent tons of money on equipment and material is way more difficult and takes way longer. You would think project manager would try to stay in the design phase as much as possible even if their goal is to reduce cost.

[@TheGlitchyCorgi]

@@keenheat3335 One would think. Doesn't work that way. They don't care about the overall product, they just see "those damned engineers" burning their design budget

[@klasodeth]

How about the SpaceX Dragon versus the Boeing Starliner? SpaceX got Dragon certified much sooner than Starliner, for a much lower contracted price than Starliner, and with far better quality than Starliner.

[@mgarza5157]

Yep, got my black pla yesterday and it had a little "Easter" egg in 1 of the spools with a heart-shaped popper. My wife kept it and thought it was neat. Thanks!

[@BramCohen]

Please make your spoolless compatible with Bambu spools. 3D printed bambu spools work better than the injection molded ones and everyone with a 3d printed can make those for themselves. You should give some transparency around what 'better PETG' is. Most PETG feels like disposable plastic cups except for the stuff with carbon fiber in it.

[@milospavlovic7520]

We'll see what he means by it. But I had a similar opinion like you, except for creality black petg which I was plesently surprised by. And then I got yesterday Kingroon hspetg, and got blown by it. Prints both faster than most pla, and prints great. So we'll see what Tanged has in store for us

[@menacingdonutz]

Absolutely this, while I wouldn’t necessarily say go with Bambu’s they should pick a 3d printed spool design and create their spoolless filament to fit it. It would also be nice if they provided a link to the printable spool they use on the Tangled site and maybe even a slip in the box with the link and/or QR code.

[@DoubsGaming]

I know this is sort of an edge case, but I'm really hoping for clear PETG because then with certain settings start printing them translucent. It's just something that's cool that you can do with transparent filament.

[@Supermath101]

There's a "List of company or individually driven projects" on the Framework Community Forum. Some of which can be 3D printed.

[@patricktierney4392]

Linus from LTT is a framework investor. You might want to reach out to them for a colab. Making bumpers and filter mounts would be super cool.

[@stevencoetzee1597]

Investment disclosure*

[@TheGlitchyCorgi]

Wooden gears: Better, yes; cheaper, yes; faster, NO. You had to spend, likely a lot of, time cutting those gears out of plywood. That is the engineering trade-off you chose to make, and that is meaning of "better, faster, cheaper; pick two". Also, as I'm surprised you didn't point this out as a manufacturing engineer, that was opting to desgin&make a component from scratch rather than use COTS.

[@yayinternets]

Definitely looking forward to the PETG. It’s pretty much my default filament type these days since I print mostly functional stuff rather than dragon eggs.

[@woodwaker1]

Lots of interesting stories, I think it is amazing that you are going to spool less filament. I remember early in the story of Tangled that many of us suggested a master spool solution, which you rejected, glad to see you have reconsidered

[@bridgetclinch3678]

I've been using esun refillable spools for ages. I printed my own little bits for the inside that use M3 bolts rather than the click in ones they had, I think their reusable spools are PC, I got about a half dozen and PETG is my go to for prototyping and most of my finished parts. The spools themselves are just on a cardboard cylinder that you assemble the reusable spool around.

[@S.A.S.H.]

Bought some a few days before this was posted and it was to my house in two or three days at the most. Great service.

[@henrybecker2842]

I really appreciate your motivation discussions. They are excellent. Thanks for sharing them with us.

[@ChippWalters]

If you make your schools compatible with the Bambu spool holders, I'm happy to support you and buy a bunch of your filament!

[@generic0000]

What size will the spooless spools be? could you make a 3kg spool by just winding it more, or do you run into aspect ration issues?

[@wilfredwulff]

The Framework 16 CAD files release opens up exciting possibilities for personalization. Creating a custom screen backplate is just one way I can't wait to make this laptop my own.

[@Supermath101]

I think they also released them for the Framework laptop 13 shortly thereafter.

[@patricktierney4392]

I got little fidget poppers in my orange spools. Thanks!

[@slant3d]

Enjoy

[@AndrewDasilvaPLT]

Dang, 40 minute video. Thank you for your work.😊

[@MechVince]

PETG heck yes! I can't wait! My typically application requires the chemical and temp resistance that it provides so i use it lots!

[@bjaurelio]

As someone who prints mostly petg, I cannot wait to see what you have planned.

[@5Lax]

What is the tool that you use in post processing? A coffee grinder?

[@johnlombardo]

Manufacturers supplying step files for their products is great. Starlink's models made creating a bespoke roof mount for a Gen 3 dish cheap and easy!

[@geordonworley5618]

Excited for that PETG tangled filament.

[@upscalelures]

Gabe, that gear story is pure gold.

[@aaronliebeck1062]

Do you have a program for returning used spools?

[@DaveEtchells]

SO happy to see gray filament coming! (Just wish I hadn’t just ordered 5 kg arriving in a day or two :-/) It’s so great to see you proceeding down the cost curve, following your plan so well!

[@RNMSC]

Athought for a framework accessory - A print in place 'sleeve' that also turns into an easel for the laptop to bring the display up a bit off the desk or table it's on. The 'third leg' can be the handle, or a latch that flips over the hinge end of the laptop to hold it in place when traveling. The base is an inverted 'Y' where the two legs reach out to the front corners and clip around the keyboard layer. The 'latch is a pair of angles that also can act as legs fo the easel format, but includes 2 or 3 different lengths that both provide added height options, and additional clip to hold in place the computer in travel. One or more of those clips may cover an HDMI port or DisplayPort and you could use the Framework laptop with whatever screen is available, and have the laptop closed up with a remote or presentation mouse, and the framework laptop will have edges out in the open for cooling. Presentation wise, I'm presuming that the Framework Laptop is not heavily CPU bound. If it is, that's likely to be a long term problem for Framework, and I think they have that covered.

[@1supertec]

Don't apologise dude you hit the nail on the head get whatever you can to get you moving and develop what you really need in the. Background 👊💥

[@DigitalDoyle]

Well done, Gabe! Thanks for the insights. Always appreciated! And I'm very much looking forward to the spool-less PETG! Right now I'm using Kingroon PETG that I'm getting on sale for $11 - $12/Kg while I'm ramping up various learning curves here in my R&D shop. You mentioned Tangled PETG would be cheaper than PLA. I would very happily buy American-made PETG, (and PLA which I do not use a whole lot due to the issues with heat), for what I'm paying now, and it'd be amazing to get it in bulk and in big 3Kg and Kg spool refills. Plus, it'd be perfect to prototype and proof of concept products with the exact same materials that I'll be getting mass manufactured from Slant 3D. I've got a long way to go before I'm really ready for all that, but I'm looking long term and this is a viable path forward. Thanks again.

[@B0A2]

Loved the story about the wooden gears. I’m starting a new job tmw and it’s great to hear that you don’t always have to make a trade off between, speed, quality, and price. I think what you were saying about there already being a machine for most tasks was also really powerful. I’m guessing you were talking about Prusa with the hardware sorting machine haha. Would love a video or podcast discussion about benefits vs costs of making that type of machine. I’d have to imagine that there are cases where it does make a lot of sense to make it yourself, whether due to cost, maintenance, or variety of support components. Great podcast but would have loved some more clarity on that aspect. Have you talked about the new Prusa printer yet?

[@hunt0583]

Maybe a storage compartment that fits in the framework 16 gou slot? Idk.😂

[@jessehavok4181]

I swear you just put out a video saying that you guys would always have spools

[@roberttrescott2741]

Time/Cost/Quality... pick any two! It's easy to say from one iteration of a rocket to another, the quality and cost are dramatically increased. But that improvement was at the expense of time, and cost to a large extent. How long something takes to get to market is a paramount concern. Taking the extra time to build, test, and validate wooden gears may have been an unacceptable exercise to some because of its hit to quality engineering. Typically engineering is the art of compromise. With all the rapid advances of inexpensive technology, we see today, let's not forget the thousands of iterations and the work of many people who poured in countless man-hours, to facilitate the quality things made quickly today! Time and cost have already been baked into many of our future endeavors.

[@slant3d]

And yet starship has a smaller development budget than starliner

[@chriss590]

The only issue with the frames for the hives, is that the bees can't chew through and create portals where they need them like they can with beeswax frames.

[@jbrownson]

Please show us the gear! I love that story

[@ToddCopeland]

I'd like to see you talk about why more companies don't release their own STL's. For example, Ford released a few accessory files, such as center console dividers and cup holders. I understand that companies don't want to compete with themselves or allow people to simply replace parts and not buy an entirely new item but they could release add ones that actually make their product stand out above the competition. Something that comes to my mind.. all those extra nozzles you get with garden sprayers. No place to store them. What about Ortho coming out with a 3D printed nozzle holder that snaps on their sprayers. I'd like to hear your input on why companies don't release files.

[@markcahalan5698]

Framework accessory: Risers wouldn't be bad, make it into its own stand

[@davydatwood3158]

I agree with the premise that most problems have been solved and you don't usually need to wait for new technologies. There are very, very few things we can do today that we couldn't do a thousand years ago - we just do all those things faster, over greater distances, with greater accuracy, and with much, much less labour and material input. The difference between a canoe on the Great Lakes and a 250,000 tonne contain ship is a difference in scale, not task. However, I will also argue that your suggestion that "good, cheap and fast" is possible only by cherry picking. In your story from school the winch was "good" only because it didn't need to stand up to real-world lifespan needs. If you were using that winch to haul goods to the top of a tower, you'd have made it quickly and cheaply at the cost of having it wear out much faster than if yo'd machined those gears from metal. (That, of course, is also a reminder that both "good" and "fast" are contextual and one should waste effort solving for problems that probably own't matter for what you're doing.) The examples of both the Raptor engine and the Tesla front end rely on a *lot* of iterations before the individual items are being made good, fast, and cheap. These only count as "good, fast, AND cheap" if you ignore the whole development cycle. In other words, in my opinion, when you reject "good, fast, or cheap, pick two," you're deliberately miscommunicating in order to convey a philosophy.

[@RNMSC]

Genius, across almost all endeavors, is the ability to see, or work out, something that's never been done before, but is obvious once implemented. As a result, most Genius level people experience a high degree of imposter syndrome, as it's not obvious why they were able to do this, but no one before them had. There are times when Genius is simply standing on the shoulders of giants. But the Giants don't necessarily have to be the academic variety.

[@SirLANsalot]

For the beehives but ya, FDM would be better and with ASA so it would survive the heat and the outdoors.

[@-SeanyBoy-]

i have a few sunlu spools that come apart (pretty sure they are bambu clones). will those work with your spoolless setup? if so i will keep them around. oh, & i am pretty sure we landed on the moon in the 60's not 70's, just sayin'

[@bridgetclinch3678]

OH, an enclosure for an adafruit PC GPIO module to turn your framework laptop in to a giant windows raspberry pi

[@jackcoats4146]

Suggestion: Put your spools and spool holders on Angled so we can just order them. Make them closer to cost plus shipping and $1 profit or something. It will help those of us that want to go your spool less. This is best for the non-pro's of us.

[@coreypeacock9900]

Is spooless at all in sights for 3kg spools? Maybe I'm part of a minority here but I think that would be amazing.

[@5Lax]

Would be ideal for me. Don’t see anyone else doing it.

[@slant3d]

Probably never. Packing physics no like

[@coreypeacock9900]

@@slant3d ahh fair enough

[@ShaggyMummy]

hmm i dont own a framework device, But, i thing a rugged bumper case, with storage for SD cards and an SSD holder would be Sick even if it was a cable tie strap that you install yourself, so you can fit Any ssd not just specific ones.

[@KaleyDuke]

"can you imagine a pallet of honey... from a dude... thats a lot of honey"

[@22phastcars]

Show us the gear!

[@SebasSant87]

does tangled ships worldwide?

[@Supermath101]

If you go on their website, add something to cart, and select your country, you'll see whether they ship there. So far, it seems they don't ship to Canada, so it seems unlikely they'll ship internationally.

[@zapl80]

The only country you can select is currently the US. At their scale without distribution it wouldn't make sense to buy it overseas. Shipping prusa from Europe to the US for example is $25 in shipping for a single spool, 3 costs you $36. The other direction is priced similarly and there may be taxes and other additional fees

[@RussellMilliner]

I'm suspect you've answered this before, but why can't you just on-demand 3D print your own spools?

[@milospavlovic7520]

@@RussellMilliner In case he does not answer here is my assumption. Because it is more expensive that way. Spools are already mass produced, and he knows that he will use them up, and 3d printing them is more expensive process so it makes more sense to just buy them. It is hard to reuse premade spools because he can receive a bunch of different models of the same size spools at the same time, and their condition can also vary. Also for every 1kg of filament he sells he needs to ship 300g of spool in one way, and 300g i other way to reuse them. On the other hand if he ships spolless filament made to measure for a 3d printable master spool, he saves cost on spools and shipping, and the amount of waste plastic is reduced as you only need to 3d print them when you need them. He can still sell some of the filament with premade master spools, which would be justifiably higher cost, but that would be an exception

[@RussellMilliner]

@@milospavlovic7520 I am all for spool-less filament delivery. I can just as easily print/reuse a spool and have too many empties as it is. Just seems ironic that the item a 3d printing company needs is a molded plastic spool from another company. As he's noted spool companies had issues delivering in the volumes needed, yet he has all the manufacturing capability needed to produce spools on-demand thus dog-fooding his own products. No storage, shipping, taxes, etc of empty spools. I am sure he's run the numbers. Just curious how close it is.

[@zapl80]

Compare injecting cheap pellets into a spool mold vs taking those pellets, using a slow process to make filament, then an even slower process and like 1/4th of your product to make spools while also taking away your print farm capacity. Injection molding creates products every 30 seconds or so for an entire day. Buying a spool should be less than a dollar, making one would cost them like 5? Plastic for spools is like $1 per kg, a 300g spool can theoretically be made for 30ct. Using theoretical $10 per kg PLA, that price raises to $3 before factoring in cost to print and the reduction of PLA available to sell

[@patricktierney4392]

I think for a while they were looking at an in-house printed spool hub with hexagonal cardboard sides. There was a video about it a while back. It must not have worked out.

[@milospavlovic7520]

@@RussellMilliner Again, it's the cost. Spools are mass-produced by injection molding from ABS pellets, which is both cheaper plastic and cheaper and faster process en masse than pla and 3d printing. And that perfectly fits his philosophy that you should not make an inferior and more expensive version of the non-critical part of your process just to show you can if you can just buy it cheaper. Furthermore, it uses up machine time on 3d printers that could be much more profitably used in printing products for consumers

[@bernarrcoletta7419]

You can break the triple constraints if you get good requirements and let the engineers do their jobs. Once you get/project managers involved, or the managers change the requirements a lot, that’s when the triple constraints raise their ugly heads. Look at naval shipbuilding as an example.

[@jackcoats4146]

In the day, mainframes memory was 'sewn' together, it was just minimum memory that was needed on Saturn 5. Yep, that is what the IBM mainframe (IBM 360 mod 65) that was a 'big machine' in the day, used core memory (the sewn together kind). Yes, Elon, and you, took a 'truly first principles' approach, and didn't care about the 'it can't be done that way' crowd. Every time I found someone saying that told me it was a challenge I 'had to win', and normally did. Most smart follks can do it, but the typical sheeple can't.

[@TS_Mind_Swept]

You cannot have your cake and eat it too because one thing cannot exist in two places simultaneously; that, sir, is a paradox

[@1supertec]

Bee farming is not that big of an industry ?. WOW !

[@VideoMazk]

36:58 I was wondering/worried what action your professor took after you broke his test/mindset, and a bad thing did happen: he moved the goalpost* to keep his opinion correct. Does anyone have some simple steps that can be used to have a good learning and problem solving mindset (open mindedness), while avoiding gullibility and extremism (reasonableness)? For example: Test to make sure (verify). (eg. Plants do use green light, while some algae don't. kzbin.info/www/bejne/oYbTdoRqoLpkaposi=hpKhcvx48eFO4nnE ) *The goalpost was already moved with that 4th category of precision. Tradeoffs exist, which was probably the/an important lesson, but there are few absolutes (such as laws of nature) which apply to everything everytime.

[@marc_frank]

the raptor engine isn't a good example for beating the triangle. it wasn't fast to develop. of course it's faster to produce with fewer parts. but the solution that got them flying first was quickly developed and good, but expensive.

[@Seaofjitsu]

Thanks I never knew spooless was a thing. Spooless looks like toilet paper rolls. Man it looks scary 😨. There is a reoloadable master spool on printables. I recommend letting people know if spooless scares you then you can use spooless like a cartrige. Im making my extrusion screw this weekend. All motors etc are ready to go. Filament machine at home going Going to be fun 😁

[@platin2148]

Well if you go just buy everything in a business you end up as being an assembler and having no control over anything what your product is anymore. Several automative companies are doing that and it basically destroyed them. And they still take stuff from the suppliers that should have never gotten into supplier hands.

[@platin2148]

For a rocket engine you want to have the most redundancy possible especially on there's as it's the only thing that brings you back and if it fails its over. The other thing is that the Launch to Orbit Market is tiny there isn't that much market for giant transports into LEO. And anything further is currently impossible. For Model 3 it's actually not better if you are owning it as now it's impossible to repair. Figuring out the Budget wasn't part of this at all they had several 10s of millions for that because they got some funding by NYC for supposed Solar Cells which they never did. To the Plywood Gears works fine for some time but sucks in long term as the surfaces are not durable. I'd go with ALU which will be almost as easy as plywood but stable enough..

[@skaltura]

AWESOME Talk about Enginerding at the end! I've solved so many things similarly, our current project ... It's a game changer for our industry, small scale testing is done, now we scale it up to the proper scale and hopefully see our "overnight success" moment.

[@mikeehuber]

Bees population is not in decline, That was a Bee movie for our kids 15 years ago. Bees are farmed, So they can scale. Yes, there are pollinator bees that are not farmed that people are worried about, but even those are doing pretty well

[@j.f.christ8421]

So if we follow the "cheap breeds quality" mantra, then TEMU is the absolute pinnacle of quality. Right.

[@SnoringVids]

Unnamed company starts with a P and ends with USA USA USA!

[@muayyadalsadi]

29:25 in food, it's tasty, healthy, cheap. You can't have all 3.

[@cdd7672]

Regards the last part; you mean, I have to work hard / smart & not cry / vine all at the same time? I don’t like you. :)

[@chyrt]

Quality time cost is true when you are not innovating.

[@kg4lod]

Shopify is a terrible company, especially with respect to how they treat ecosystem partners. Their API stuff is also terrible and difficult to work with.

[@elim7420]

Band saw, precision, gears.... That a load of bs. Maybe with a scroll saw but you need to consider the time investment. If you're paying a tradesman to stand there it will be cheaper to do it the right way. When you cut corners you don't never end up with better quality. You can make gears with a and file and Patience but that doesn't mean it's going to be cheaper when you factor in the time investment.

[@slant3d]

You sound like the rest of the team. And you are still incorrect.