Stop talking about the C4! I want the prices to stay low before I get mine!!!
@marquaviouschester69473 жыл бұрын
Dude. I found a c5 for 5500. I don't think they're going up anytime soon
@wisenige3 жыл бұрын
@@marquaviouschester6947 well there we go! 🔥🔥🔥
@marquaviouschester69473 жыл бұрын
@@wisenige despite being on offerup, it was clean af, but he took it off days after.
@christian_urocar3 жыл бұрын
@@marquaviouschester6947 where bro? That’s a steal
@marquaviouschester69473 жыл бұрын
@@christian_urocar here in georgia. Ended up getting a g35 sedan instead
@SpeedDemonExpress4 жыл бұрын
Good luck finding a nice C4 for 5k. They are cheap but not that cheap. Especially for the six speed.
@mr.7404 жыл бұрын
Nah they do run about 5k but a 370 for 10k is a reach
@jponz854 жыл бұрын
@@mr.740 agreed. You cant find a non salvaged 370z for 10k
@lolcow_president4 жыл бұрын
Most C4s I see are under 7,500
@al1514 жыл бұрын
@@mr.740 brand new ones are going for mid 20’s lol
@YungEagle3k4 жыл бұрын
got mine for 6k, but its subjective
@FATmenDRIVEtrucks4 жыл бұрын
Keep these affordable series up great for everyone
@campkira4 жыл бұрын
borken taken very long time to fix... and shop now charge for everything... so think careful before buy older car... it may be cheap to buy.. but it is hell...
@tl56kmair4 жыл бұрын
@@campkira don’t know about that. My 96 bmw z3 has 207k trouble free miles on it.
@chop20934 жыл бұрын
Damn. That boxster is ugly from the side profile
@blakewilliams96423 жыл бұрын
Couldnt agree more... my $1500 mini cooper s is one of the finest cars I've ever driven.
@Journalz3 жыл бұрын
I can see Craigslist drying now.
@mattevans43774 жыл бұрын
It's possible when people say "I can't afford a sports car", they actually mean, "I can't afford a second car". Maybe do a cheap hot hatch video, for those who only have the money for one car, but still want to have some fun.
@alpha2gproject7834 жыл бұрын
I agree but I can bet you that they'd only choose the big hitters like: NSRT4, Speed3, Focus ST, Fiesta ST and that's about it. I'd like a comparison video of this line up: 07+ Sentra SE-R Spec V, Focus SVT, Mazdaspeed6, Cobalt SS SC or TC, Caliber SRT4 and I'm sure there's a few others that I'm missing that don't seem to get any press new or used. I have an 07 Spec V myself that I bought because it was priced right and kind of a cheap dream car that more or less fell into my lap and I cannot begin to tell people how fun of a car it is to drive...sure it's not the coolest looking to most, but it handles amazingly, is extremely reliable, and is quick for what it is.
@HunterLord4584 жыл бұрын
Answer: used WRX wagon, Golf GTI or Fiesta ST
@JohnFromAccounting4 жыл бұрын
Honda Civic and Golf are the kings. Affordable and nimble.
@alanhung14284 жыл бұрын
@@alpha2gproject783 the problem with the line up you named is that they are all so old and rare to find with most of them being unreliable or tend to be poorly maintained they just cannot recommend them unless you are a true fan of those cars.
@revolutionday14 жыл бұрын
More like "I can't afford the maintenance on a sports car".....
@TheUsmc08024 жыл бұрын
Shhhhhh, no one knows the C4 is good. Shhhhhh.
@mperformance35023 жыл бұрын
Except it looks like crap and 90’s escort interior
@benjamincho48193 жыл бұрын
@@mperformance3502 I think it looks good if it has some good wheels and suspension mods, it's like that 80's - 90's look. I think the C5 looks much better though and it's not that much more expensive than the C4, though I have noticed that prices are going up for certain models like the C5 Z06 which stays consistently from around $12 - $20k.
@gaddyify3 жыл бұрын
@@mperformance3502 it looks better than that frog looking Porsche, that the announcers say that it looks like it can drive either way.🤣
@springwoodslasher793 жыл бұрын
People know and good luck finding a decent one with a manual for 5k
@KurtWinters3 жыл бұрын
Keep it s secret, my channel has a ton of C4 content
@corvettemode15563 жыл бұрын
As a c4 corvette owner (a extremely nice one at that! I must say, they are great cars. Fast enough honestly, and handle amazing. I went from a Miata to a C4 and still was extremely impressed by the handling
@robertdevito50013 жыл бұрын
The c4 was the first car to pull over 1g on a skid pad, and all of the engines available, even the high revving lt5, had gobs of low rpm torque, so when you get on it the car feels faster than it is.
@corvettemode15563 жыл бұрын
@@robertdevito5001 oh ya they are torque monsters haha
@jsmeswagner61042 жыл бұрын
miata and boxster are in no way competition with a c4. the boxster is a neon with a porsche boxster
@ChefofWar332 жыл бұрын
@@robertdevito5001 They also do great doughnuts. Ask me how I know. :)
@shoryuquinn4 жыл бұрын
"we've never driven the automatic 370z" You did. Check your own video on the 370z from back in 2009.
@y2ksierra4 жыл бұрын
Sounds like it was a very memorable experience 🤣
@DavidS-iq4oo4 жыл бұрын
I love how you know better than they do lmao
@rubictricks18534 жыл бұрын
Jesus Christ how do you remember that
@Marcus-ang4 жыл бұрын
i dont think they liked it very much
@chadimazigh43463 жыл бұрын
This comment too funny
@josephboot13 жыл бұрын
You can afford to buy the Porsche but paying for maintenance is a whole other story.
@johnnyz17813 жыл бұрын
Yeah, 20 year old Boxster with one of the worst engines known to man, combined with water drainage issues, Evap issues... what can go wrong.
@McNabbula3 жыл бұрын
I owned a used Porsche 928S. That car was phenomenal but damn was it expensive to run.
@johncary43023 жыл бұрын
Wrong. Maintenance isn't that bad as long as you get a car that has actually been driven. Believe it or not, a garage queen Porsche from that era is more dangerous than a same run in version because of the IMS bearing. Again, it's a lot cheaper than you would think, just like the car.
@johnnyz17813 жыл бұрын
@@johncary4302 M96 is a POS and one of the worst performance engines EVER built. It is an unexcusable hunk of trash.
@johncary43023 жыл бұрын
@@johnnyz1781 You speak from experience?
@chrisburgett7284 жыл бұрын
The Corvette dash plaque is aftermarket.
@detomaso_62354 жыл бұрын
He said it in the Z06 video too. Needs to do his research better.
@Vintage-vs-Speed3 жыл бұрын
You are right. I hate when these guys mess that stuff up.
@jbstillman3 жыл бұрын
LOL Yep I caught that too. I had one on my L98 :D Good old Ecklers.
@exoticsnyc69904 жыл бұрын
Ive owned all 3 among some others (M cars, supra, brz) and I never sold my C4 6-speed. Cannot beat the price, after market backing, gas mileage(yes..I get 25mph in the vette combined city/hgwy) and styling. Mine is being converted in to a pro touring car that is also daily driven.
@A500-g6g3 жыл бұрын
Wouldn't you be best off with a cheap manual c5 then add all necessary modifications, because isn't the c5 lighter
@josephf-p96683 жыл бұрын
Any idea how the C4 automatic is?
@swisswildpicsswp30952 жыл бұрын
@@A500-g6g yeah but the C5 isn't as cool as a C4
@sithlordsoup3 жыл бұрын
10k for a 370z already, I don’t even wanna kbb my 350z.. edit: holy shit it’s worth 800 bucks
@rolltide95473 жыл бұрын
You can't find a good 350 or 370 for less than 10k now.
@southernclassik3 жыл бұрын
@@rolltide9547 You are so right
@rolltide95473 жыл бұрын
@@southernclassik 3-4 years ago you could find say a 350z less than a 100,000 miles good solid car had not been modded up or raced for 7-8 k. Now the same car is 11k or more. Plus most of the ones you see are convertible. Hard to find a coupe in good shape for decent money. Now more people are wanting Automatics so they are hard to find.
@rolltide95473 жыл бұрын
What KBB says and what people are asking for these cars is not accurate.
@southernclassik3 жыл бұрын
@@rolltide9547 Yeah! I wanted a Nismo in good condition but Could not find anything for under 20k in my area. I settled for a low mile black 6 speed roadster with the Brembo package in damn near mint condition. Not exactly what I wanted but after riding with the top down so many times, I wouldn't have it any other way. These cars are so much fun!
@Edde20164 жыл бұрын
The beauty of the C4 to me was the looks inside and out... it really captures the 80's. I used to feel like Don Johnson in Miami Vice every time I took mine out. In fact the first time I drove mine the song "in the air tonight" by phil collins was blasting on the radio...haha. Perfect. Even after having owned a C4 and a C5 I still prefer the C4 interior. The C5 just looks like something cheap from the 90's.
@stevekeithley84092 жыл бұрын
I own a 1996 C4 Corvette I bought new. Torch red with black interior like one shown. It is a fantastic car. LT-4 engine for 330 horsepower with six speed. The car would be a bargain at $15,000, forget the $5,000. A few years ago I kept asking myself, "Does GM know what a fantastic car they made?" I also own a 2003 C5 with automatic and is a convertible. It feels big and cumbersome in comparison.
@Shinglesdoctor2 жыл бұрын
Steve, can you tell me more about the comparison between the 4 and 5? I have a 95 LT1 and it has a TON of personality. I know the 5 is faster, but is it really better?
@mogulme61902 ай бұрын
Your c5 is a convertible and automatic, that’s why. The c5 will run circles around a c4
@tormodskoog90883 жыл бұрын
I can afford a 10K miata, but I can't afford a 10K boxster. lol
@calebflora93043 жыл бұрын
Perfect summary.
@stevewages3 жыл бұрын
I bought a “cheap” 02 911 and the first thing I did was get a second key. Cost me $500+. Nothing is cheap on Porsches.
@billmeyer43653 жыл бұрын
well put
@mtb4163 жыл бұрын
@@stevewages To be fair, a replacement key for a Camry can run you $350 (or well over $500 for a Volvo), but you’re right, upkeep is far different.
@JAFO.3 жыл бұрын
That's because $10K in _Boxster German speak_ equals $25K US for new engine + other parts for ongoing tune-ups, service & repair, etc...
@atticus65724 жыл бұрын
I'd take the Z, without much deliberation. Where the interior has been comically outdated for years, its exterior has a truly timeless design (to me). It's as striking in 2020 as the day it was released in 2009. One of the last analogue sports cars.
@ShuffleToExpresss4 жыл бұрын
me on the opposite end, the only time a Z has looked good to me is the Nismo version with all the added exterior parts
@atticus65724 жыл бұрын
@@ShuffleToExpresss To each his own - a necessary preface. Personally, I see very little aesthetic differences between the base and Nismo. There's different rims which are in some sort of gunmetal grey, red accents on the front lip, and a badge. The differences are negligible.
@ShuffleToExpresss4 жыл бұрын
@@atticus6572 what about the exhaust, rear bumper, and wing? I guess I should've been more specific and said it was the 370z Nismo, which looks a lot more aggressive and has more added on to it than the 350z Nismo
@mrsantosjon4 жыл бұрын
I still get compliments at work, gas station, even at store on my 11 Z 🤷♂️
@richardchileshe99104 жыл бұрын
Yeah.... even an 03 - 04 350z is still good.
@zdtrent63 жыл бұрын
Former 1997 Boxster owner. Great review, it's hard to go wrong with any of these cars. If you are curious about the Boxster, if that's something you're into, it truly is such a useable and reliable vehicle. Find the right one and do it. But you need to know two big things about owning a Boxster. Maintaining it hurts. Yes, 10K gets you a good 986-gen Boxster now but parts and labor still reflect the original 45k-60k price tag. The other thing you need to know is that everybody is going to hate your car. I owned mine in Arizona and working class people hated it, rich people hated it, car enthusiasts hated it, Porsche guys hated it and my family hated it. You need to love this car to own it because nobody else will. The sides got covered in door dings, a man ashed his cigarette on it, a 993 911 owner SPIT on it at a stoplight (100% serious), and I had "Daddy's money" shouted at me at Cars and Coffee. This was the polar opposite reaction to the car I had prior: the Fiat 500 Abarth. Everyone loved that car to a very surprising degree. It got really positive compliments almost daily and from people from every walk of life. And here's the hot take this overly long comment has led up to: if you're looking for a 10k sports car that you're going to use regularly, a manual Abarth is THE best option right now. I enjoyed owning it more than my lovely Boxster. It was more fun to drive on every road that wasn't all high speed curves, felt more exotic, had more personality, was more practical and cost half as much at the pump. I know how wrong most of that sounds- it has *half* the power of the Vette and wrong wheel drive. Yet on a true, very tight drivers road, the Abarth could take on any of these three cars and get away, leaving a huge smile on your face. Because it's not a performance car, it's a fun car. And that's what owning a sports car should be about. Test drive one, flip on sports mode and have a laugh. Sports cars are inheritely emotional products so the best one will always be the one that you want. If it's a Corvette, Z, Boxster or even the teeny Abarth, you'll have made the right choice. Cheers.
@phildawe7172 Жыл бұрын
Very Well written comment. Enjoyed it
@JETZcorp Жыл бұрын
I'm amazed to hear of so much hate for the Boxster. I drive a fire-engine red NC Miata, and especially when I have the top down it has had the most universal attention and praise of anything I've ever owned. Considering that I've rolled into gas stations with a vintage 2-stroke triple cafe racer, I found that astonishing. I expected truck people to take umbrage with the little girl's car, but not really. A disturbing amount of people say something to the effect of, "Nice car - is that a Ferrari?"
@Brutus_Kennedy_Rutherford_III Жыл бұрын
@@JETZcorpI've got an NB. I never expected to get compliments from random strangers at stoplights in it, but oh boy, they certainly came.
@corusbdj Жыл бұрын
@@JETZcorpthey mostly hate it on it because it's considered the poor man's porsche
@JETZcorp Жыл бұрын
@@corusbdj That's so dumb and sad. Porsches are for driving, not for showing off how much money you have. Honestly when I see a guy in a cheap Porsche like a 986, 944, 914, etc I feel like they're much more likely to "get it". The guy in the 992 Turbo S might get it, but there's a good chance he just wants a trophy car.
@Themayseffect3 жыл бұрын
Nissan/Infiniti have lowkey been pioneers of so many features over the past decades. They seriously don't get enough credit for some of the stuff they do.
@Themayseffect3 жыл бұрын
@ThePatUltra xenon headlights, keyless entry, keyless start, variable crankshaft, uprev manual shifting.. Just to name a few
@Themayseffect3 жыл бұрын
@ThePatUltra Google is your friend... Or maybe not.
@Themayseffect3 жыл бұрын
@ThePatUltra I don't have to defend shit.. This is KZbin comment section ...use Google if you want more answers.
@jeffburch39493 жыл бұрын
@ThePatUltra I think he meant variable camshaft in the VVEL engines such as the VQ37 in the Z
@povertyspec96513 жыл бұрын
370Z was the first car with rev matching on a manual transmission- copied by Porsche, BMW, GM.... Nissan was doing four-wheel steering in the early 1990's. My 1992 240SX had four-wheel steering! GT-R broke the rules when it was released in 2009. It sent Porsche back to the drawing board, and it still kicks ass today.
@ianbaillie63783 жыл бұрын
I owned a '98 Boxster, some color combo as the one in the video. It was a great car, and the mention about the floaty feeling in the rear end can probably be traced to a combination of front engine mount that needs to be replaced and a rear strut that is failing. When i bought mine (with 79k miles on it at the time), I had that same weird feeling when accelerating in a corner. I traced it down to those two issues causing the engine to shift position, and the rear right shock to be failing to support the weight shift. So I pulled out my tool box and got to work. I was then rewarded with a fantastic handling vehicle. I now have a 2015 Cayman that I bought new, and it was worth every penny. Coming up on year #6, and getting close to the 59k mile mark, and I know its not going anywhere for a very long time. One day, the 2015 Caymans and Boxsters will be valued the same as this 98 Boxster is, and it will also be a fantastic used car to own. But you can't have mine. :)
@kayschurig40514 жыл бұрын
I'd take the C4 or better a C5 is not much higher in price V8 + RWD a die out species
@McIntoshTravis4 жыл бұрын
Seriously, the only reason they used a c4 was because a c5 (in the same price range) would wipe the floor.
@dusterman3603 жыл бұрын
Yeah you can get a nice early C5 for what that 370z cost.
@blairdrummond50433 жыл бұрын
Honestly, I think the c4 looks way better than the c5
@McIntoshTravis3 жыл бұрын
@@blairdrummond5043 I think the c4 is the worst looking corvette. I love the gauge clusters but the body is just goofy.
@blairdrummond50433 жыл бұрын
@@McIntoshTravis different strokes for different folks I guess
@BX2CT4 жыл бұрын
Since Covid I learned you can wake up and your life can be changed forever and no control over your situation, so go get that car I just got my 981 Boxster S & just wish I did it years ago!
@bikeman1x113 жыл бұрын
when the media spreads fear and the government wants to control us
@dylanorr21273 жыл бұрын
Heck yeah I bought my attainable dream car last July if the world's gonna end I gotta have some fun first
@BX2CT3 жыл бұрын
King Crimson absolutely, congrats enjoy!
@BIGBROTHERiswatchinU2 жыл бұрын
When the C4 was introduced I saw pictures of it and did not like it. Then I saw one in person and changed my mind. I bought an 84 (Z51) and while it may have not been the most powerful car, the car handled great and was very modern and exotic looking for the time. I really enjoyed that car.
@jaypioh10 ай бұрын
they aged very well too. I have a '94 and its a beaut.
@cmelochick4 жыл бұрын
I've had a '92 LT1 Corvette and currently have a '99 986 Boxster. I can confirm both are incredibly fun vehicles to own.
@ericphipps85653 жыл бұрын
The LT1 vette was a game changer. Especially with the T56.
@5abivt3 жыл бұрын
No t56 in the vette. The C4 got a zf6 manual from Germany . Way way way better than the t56 and many 6 speeds for generations after
@nthgth3 жыл бұрын
@@5abivt I had a 95 Z28 with the T56, it was a delightful transmission at least to me. Maybe mine was particularly well sorted by pure chance. But I've never driven the ZF box, maybe it would be a revelation if I did. Why did the 93 F body get a different 6sp than the Vette with the same engine?
@debracurry47763 жыл бұрын
Chevy needed a 6 speed that could handle the zr1 lt5 power output in 1990, first year available was 89 but lt5 engine development held off the zr1 until 1990.
@EagleScoutmano3 жыл бұрын
C4 has almost perfect 50/50 weight distribution... it doesn't have much weight over the front wheels (most front engine cars put 55-65% of their weight up front).
@jordanjoestar88393 жыл бұрын
I went with a $4000 1997 Prelude. Tuned and cammed. Full ground control suspension. Love it. Best financial mistake I've ever made.
@stillsearching12844 жыл бұрын
I love the C4. If you can get a ZR1 you will have one of the best 90s sports cars.
@bencarter31663 жыл бұрын
'One of the best 90's sports cars'= a honda civic now.
@squeekfrogman87873 жыл бұрын
@@bencarter3166 Whaaa, what? Please tell me you're joking.
@basshead.3 жыл бұрын
@@squeekfrogman8787 Honda Civic Type R > Corvette ZR1
@squeekfrogman87873 жыл бұрын
@@basshead. Keep smoking bass head. 😂😂😂😂
@basshead.3 жыл бұрын
@@squeekfrogman8787 The Civic Type-R FK8 handles much better than the Corvette C4 ZR1.
@myangelc46574 жыл бұрын
C4 all the way...I truly enjoy my 1990 C4...👍
@ajunta22703 жыл бұрын
I absolutely hate that Corvettes don't get made and sold in Europe. And man, that C4 looks fantastic.
@jaypioh10 ай бұрын
if you manage to import one they'd look pretty great in the roads of Europe though! I feel the same way about TVR. Id do anything to own a Chimaera here in the states.
@mamaperker4 жыл бұрын
Man, EverydayDriver is bringing the heat on content for Season 4! Great, great stuff recently guys!
@AbyssalTentacle3 жыл бұрын
yeah mark up all those prices by $5k and that’s normal for my area
@cleonmain12913 жыл бұрын
I have a 2018 370Z I bought a Nissan executive loaner it had 4,000 miles and a 7 year 100,000 mile warranty. And I love it, it will pull .99gs in a corner 0 to 60 in 5 seconds very reliable. And it fits in my small garage. A great car except people always want to race it when I'm out for a drive.
@davidmoore58222 жыл бұрын
The 986, what a joy to drive. The mid engine corner rotation! Drive a mid engine Porsche and you will be a fan.
@LuxuryRumble3 жыл бұрын
I just bought a6 speed manual 1991 C4 with low mileage but over 10k in California and love it. Not som many mods available in market for L98 engine (pretty much close to nothing). Low end torque is high and high end torque is missing. Videos are coming up
@noahpaez42664 жыл бұрын
So weird... I had this same debate with myself earlier this year as I left behind my 2005 Miata. It was between a 986 Boxster S and a C4 Corvette. I ended up with the corvette!
@garrisonnichols73723 жыл бұрын
Good Job👍 You definitely made the right decision. The Porsche is a money pit with poor reliability.
@cocoworldwideoriginal9982 жыл бұрын
Thinking about leaving my NA and am going through the same dilemma
@brianciofani46983 жыл бұрын
I have had my 1995 C4 for 19 years!! I bought it at 27 and told myself I would keep it from 50k to 70k miles and then let it go so I don't hit big repair bills. I have 148k miles and it is still a joy to own, drive and I spend less than $1k a year on maintenance, no lie. 100% reliable. Thanks for the review. I fell for the car again watching you guys review it!!
@ricksgarage80694 жыл бұрын
From my experience, very few cars get the attention a corvette does- no matter what year. I've got three.
@rhett77163 жыл бұрын
Not interested in attention. Want a sports car with good driveability
@ricksgarage80693 жыл бұрын
@@rhett7716 You get that too.
@RickBeacham3 жыл бұрын
All three of those cars are classics. C4 looks amazing.
@CarsOfPennsylvania4 жыл бұрын
how tf are you finding 370zs for $10k?
@josiahamen86734 жыл бұрын
I live in the bay area of California bought mine for 9k
@justinholtgrave4 жыл бұрын
@@josiahamen8673 how many miles? Clean title?
@boblarry78793 жыл бұрын
@@justinholtgrave 100k+ and definitely an automatic.
@_5MCR3 жыл бұрын
I bought one last year for $10,600. Haven’t had a single issue, just typical maintenance
@yeassahah44573 жыл бұрын
@@boblarry7879lmao no 🧢
@sandasturner95294 жыл бұрын
I'll take the Corvette any day.. easier to look after too
@sandasturner95293 жыл бұрын
@@deleted_account3 I meant that as " I am more familiar with" said vehicle. So, I was speaking for myself.
@deleted_account33 жыл бұрын
@@sandasturner9529 ok
@roya-vq2gk3 жыл бұрын
@@deleted_account3 Oh no it won`t. Complicated turbo engines has more issues and everything is expensive. While the Chevy V8 is one of the best, most reliable ever. Uncomplicated and nothings expensive. I was born and raised in Datsuns and have had 240Z and 280ZX so I love Nissan, not hating on them. The last easy, reliable Nissan sports car is the 300ZX first gen, but now parts are difficult, so I drive a Corvette and will stick to Chevys forever.
@lucillewest34893 жыл бұрын
The sound quality of this video takes the viewer along for the ride, like no other car program I’ve ever seen. You won me over!
@seanmerry55224 жыл бұрын
pop up headlights ftw! I love my late c4 corvette!!! Not biased.
@jonhill95644 жыл бұрын
Well done. Ive wanted a Vette for as long as long as I can remember. C4 is the gen that seems affordable. Good to know theyre fun to drive still...after all the experiences you guys have had in cars.
@joshuah.44963 жыл бұрын
You can still find late gen C3’s, like 77-82 for really reasonable prices and you’ll have a much more modable motor with that classic swooping lined corvette look. Personally I think it’s a much better option all around than a C4. Lighter, much better classic looking car, an engine with way less problems, much easier to work on and WAYYYY more options for modding than the LT1 or the TBI motors that come in those C4’s. The TBI SBC’s that came in 80’s C4’s were absolute underpowered, unreliable garbage, and while the LT1 they used in the early 90’s C4’s and C5’s has more power, it is impossible to work on, has little options for aftermarket mods and has the worst fuel/ignition system Chevy every designed with the Optispark system. The optispark fail constantly and are a royal expensive bitch to replace. Where as the classic carbed small block Chevy that came in the C3’s was somewhat underpowered stock due to the fuel crisis, it has so much potential to be a very powerful engine with a cheap set of aftermarket heads, a new cam and a better carb. People push 450 HP out of a 350 SBC all the time with no problems. It’s just an all around better engine in every way in the C3 with a better looking car that can still be had for cheap. Just such a better option than a C4 in every way
@jonhill95643 жыл бұрын
@@joshuah.4496 I do like the look of the c3 better as well. I'd heard cornering performance was greatly improved from c3 to c4 making the newer more fun to drive BUT I definitely don't want to work on it every time I wanna go play.
@joshuah.44963 жыл бұрын
@@jonhill9564 I can understand that but keep in mind it’s 2020. With aftermarket coilovers and all the other modern suspension improvements available for popular classic cars like the C3 you could easily build a C3 that could run circles around a stock C4. Even if stock for stock the C4 was an improvement handling wise the tech today even for classic cars is just worlds better than it used to be
@joshuah.44963 жыл бұрын
@@jonhill9564 As a matter of fact just with a quick google on C3 suspension mods it looks like cheap kits are readily available that would make huge improvements over a stock suspension setup
@jonhill95643 жыл бұрын
@@joshuah.4496 and a project is just what the Dr ordered during covid days. Good info, thanks.
@andrewfoster18044 жыл бұрын
Just this past year I bought a 2000 C5 Corvette FRC for right at $13,000. I don' t think you could do much better than some of the older sports cars out there. I got an LS1, with 345hp, it makes all the right sounds, and snaps necks everywhere. What else could you possibly want? And through the corners.... glorious.
@bladerunner62824 жыл бұрын
the face lift from the previous version was a massive improvement on that corvette. and i still like the looks of the 370z and the removable hardtop on the boxster. and yes, i'm liking these videos and the slightly different presentation. there's less back and forth contrariness. it would be nice to know the mileage AND the exact price on each one.
@SpaceMissile3 жыл бұрын
this was a fun vid for sure.
@nthgth3 жыл бұрын
I think he said the Z had about 100 thousand miles, I didn't catch anything about the other cars though
@SpaceMissile3 жыл бұрын
@@nthgth it was a week since I saw this, but he mentioned that the Porsche was kinda high mileage which meant the bearing that tends to fail decided not to fail.
@nthgth3 жыл бұрын
@@SpaceMissile meaning if it doesn't fail by now, it won't fail?
@austinfrazier73254 жыл бұрын
No ranking?! Also 1998 won’t have the IMS issue and that plate in the Vette is not factory. That was a very popular aftermarket part back in the 90s.
@georgemerusi2994 жыл бұрын
Pretty sure you're incorrect. Corvettes came with plaques or at least as an option from the 60's thru to today.
@austinfrazier73254 жыл бұрын
@@georgemerusi299 they are not stock. When I was a kid in the 90s and lusted after Corvettes I would get all the catalogs and they would be in there. C2 (60s) did not have them. Some years of C3 (70s) did have a factory plate like that. None of the C4 did. That is why companies made them. It was the C4 owners wanting a plate like the 70s Vettes did. These companies would sell them for like 30 bucks. It’s amazing that so many C4 owners bought one that it’s now considering stock 20 years later. Zip Corvette probably still sells them. The C5 and C6 and C7 guys had no interest. I had a C6 and you couldn’t even buy one.
@roelfkromhout4 жыл бұрын
IMS bearing is present on ALL water cooled Porsches (996 turbo excluded) up to some of the early 997's even. While it is true that the earliest cars (first two years of production) have a stronger dual row bearing, they'll still go sometimes. So, keep that in mind. It's not a deal breaker though. It's about 1.5k to replace for a stronger bearing on a manual, 2k for an automatic. Just budget for that, get it done and don't worry about it anymore.
@austinfrazier73254 жыл бұрын
@@roelfkromhout great reply. I knew all that but was too lazy to type that so I just summarized that it’s basically not gonna happen lol
@roelfkromhout4 жыл бұрын
lol, fair enough.
@kunu19903 жыл бұрын
Recently picked up a 96 c4 ce lt4, and it is very surprising how it drives, love it
@Lavaman36824 жыл бұрын
Nice thing about my 2010 370z...you can update the nav system to 2017. When you row your own gears ⚙ with rev match, you have your hands full. Nice thing about a Vette (unlike a Porsche which I almost bought) is there is a Chevy mechanic in every town in America. And I own both a 370z Roadster 6spd and a 94 c4
@thethomasj17952 жыл бұрын
The Vette needs some practice to master. More so if you have the Z52 performance package which gives you a tighter suspension and a shorter steering radius. I don't drive mine every day. Truth be told I can go months without driving it, and when I do it takes me a while to get used to the handling aspects of it. Once you get it down it will outhandle just about anything out there. Driving a C4 Corvette is the closest most people will get to driving an actual race car. When the C4 was new it beat it beat everything out there. It was so good that the Corvette Challenge was started in 1988 after the SCCA kicked the C4 Corvette out of the Showroom Stock racing class. The C4 had dominated the series for years, so the SCCA created a one-make series for it - the Corvette Challenge which ran from 1988 to 1989. The C4 is very underrated mostly because so many have been ragged on and for all the money GM spent on designing them they still rattle boxes with cheaply made interiors. If the interiors were still tight and aged better these cars would be more sought after.
@Shinglesdoctor2 жыл бұрын
Very solid point. The only reason the C4 wasn't put on a pedestal was the interior quality and questionable design (it has grown on me, which is why I now own one). The performance is absolutely there. These cars are in the same league as the Supra Turbos, The R34 GTRs, the RX-7s, etc, they just weren't in any movies so they get no love.
@EdA-bz3bu3 жыл бұрын
I just picked up 2001 Boxster S 74k $10,001 getting delivered tomorrow🤞🏻.
@sunset986S3 жыл бұрын
Congratulations...welcome to the club!
@maxcactus74 жыл бұрын
This series is going to be great, has been great for the first couple episodes. That said, I'm buying a Miata! :-) The Boxster is sexy AF, but repairs are a nightmare and expensive AF.
@josephhart79334 жыл бұрын
Miata is always the answer
@phattyhales4 жыл бұрын
This is not part of the Cheap Sports Car Challenge that features the Z4 and SLK. This was a TV episode from a couple of years ago.
@JohnFromAccounting4 жыл бұрын
The good thing about Porsche is that the build quality is higher than other manufacturers, so you won't have to take it to the mechanic very often. However, when you do, your wallet will hurt a lot.
@EjinRenos4 жыл бұрын
Actually, having owned both MX5 and 2002 986 S, the Porsche is the easiest car I have ever worked on, and that includes older American cars and trucks with lots of space under the hood. Porsche is only expensive, like all expensive brands, if you go thru the dealer or brand name. Example: water pump is pierburg brand, thru Porsche it's almost 500 dollars. Thru pierburg direct, it was 220. That said, however, older cars regardless of mileage will need part swaps. Spent 1k in 1 year in parts on the 2002 with 70k miles between fuel pump, water pump, headlight switch, coolant, oil air separator, and convertible top gears. My NC MX5 08 I had to replace the clutch pedal assembly for 125 dollars in 4 years of ownership and 150k miles.
@mauvrion_fries4 жыл бұрын
There's a reason they added that Miata stipulation. It's the obvious choice, but there's no fun in always reviewing Miatas. My money would go towards an Rx8 in this scenario. Superbly practical, fantastic handling and that engine really is a joy to wind out. Poor mileage is a bummer, but that's not the main reason someone buys a sports car. And if the biggest mechanical problem can be prolonged further than you think with some simple upgrades to the cooling and ignition. It's so easy to rebuild the engines when they do pop. Just have Triple A. haha
@thorandmoljnir2 жыл бұрын
As a former owner of 2 C3's and a C6 I don't understand the general hate on the C4. I've driven several of them and they're great fun and fantastic handling cars. They don't have the higher HP like later models, but at the same time, the power doesn't overwhelm the chassis, generally keeping you out of trouble. My biggest complaint with the C4 was the tight footwells (at least for me) that made enter/egress hard to do smoothly.
@Shinglesdoctor2 жыл бұрын
Probably the most awkward car you can possibly get in/out of. Mine came with those cheap kickplates I kept kicking off everytime I got out.
@harryharry3193 Жыл бұрын
eggzactly.
@lolcow_president4 жыл бұрын
19:20 Are we forgetting about the Toyota MR2? The MR2 is literally all of those things.
@ctcdarkness3 жыл бұрын
It’s also a death trap. If you let off throttle mid corner and it snaps into the other direction.
@hewhoenlightens54313 жыл бұрын
I've always wanted to see a good MR2 vs. FIERO battle with the Boxster!👍✌
@Screamn.3 жыл бұрын
Except for the affordable part. An MR2 turbo with a manual that hasnt been modded/molested runs $15k+ and theyre almost 30 years old...
@paulharris21243 жыл бұрын
Gaaaaaayyy
@pixofu013 жыл бұрын
I always liked the Miatas, but they are so slow. I ordered a Solstice GXP when they came out, very fast and better looking than the Miata.
@RestorationObsession3 жыл бұрын
The C4 is an excellent design for it's time. The suspension and frame are probably the best feature of those cars. Great for GT-style driving. Get one while you can, I've been watching the prices going up on them steadily over the past 18 months. You could get one for $3k in 2019, now you'll be lucky to find one for $5k.
@iheartgs4003 жыл бұрын
The older ones are still cheap to get its the LT1 92-96 variants that have gone up.
@RestorationObsession3 жыл бұрын
@@iheartgs400 The C3 is going up quickly in AZ. I bought mine for $9k in April 2020 and now one would be lucky to find one around here for less than $12k in similar shape. For $5k you can get a non-running pile of parts lol.
@iheartgs4003 жыл бұрын
@@RestorationObsession Oh the C3 it's always been quite high I meant the early C4 years 84-91 models.
@Swarm509 Жыл бұрын
@@iheartgs400 Yup, a 84 to 89 are still roughly $8k to $12k here in Canada, but once you get into the 1990's models they jump very quickly into the $15k+ up to $20k for very late 90's models. Been looking at them for a while and $20k + for an auto trans C4 is just too much for me to stomach. Unfortunately missed the boat on these, should of got one 6 or 7 years ago....
@ront56894 жыл бұрын
I'll take the 370z easily. Looks great, I like the interior, powerful engine. Throw some coilovers and other suspension bits, intake, exhaust & tune.. got a reliable daily thats quick, can track, drift etc. 🤷🏾♂️
@ironmonkey15123 жыл бұрын
C5 would have been fairer comparison and in the same price range/
@ozzygilliam91943 жыл бұрын
@@ironmonkey1512 agreed, or hell a gen 5 camaro. Where I’m from a manual base model ss are like 10-13k on average.
@JAnx013 жыл бұрын
Every sportscar / supercar with pop-up headlights looks amazing.
@michaelthebarbarian33804 жыл бұрын
That "Plaque" was not applied by GM. You can only buy them on Amazon.
@darrengriffith96803 жыл бұрын
Was just gonna say that lol. That’s definitely aftermarket. I had this identical car, same year same color same wheels
@michaelthebarbarian33803 жыл бұрын
@@darrengriffith9680 That's a terrific car. I have a 1996 6-Speed in Comp Yellow. Good luck finding ANY 6 Speed C4 for 5k these days. lol
@ianm98533 жыл бұрын
Just bought a c4 with low miles at a ridiculous price and the car has awesome performance and handling. KEEP THIS A SECRET!
@VetteWerks Жыл бұрын
Shhh 👀
@DigitalSubset3 жыл бұрын
People have been saying corvettes can’t handle but even this old c4 handles amazing
@jim86884 жыл бұрын
Love this type of series. This year bought a dedicated “sports car” 2009 BMW 328i coupe, manual transmission, 96k miles for 9 grand and loving every minute of it.
@justinboss42123 жыл бұрын
Do you really think the 328i is considered a sports car?
@jim86883 жыл бұрын
@@justinboss4212 it’s subjective...and exactly why I put those words in quotations. A sportier car might be a better description and that has the right ingredients (rwd, manual, NA in-line 6, hydraulic steering, coupe).
@lukecoley16703 жыл бұрын
S197 mustang with a coyote v8 will run mid to low teens these days. Old school muscle feel with an absolute gem of motor. That’s gotta be a top suggestion for bang per buck on used sports cars
@beganny4 жыл бұрын
Super surprised by the C4! Love the C4/C7 meet at 6:40.....
@trapsarentgay41954 жыл бұрын
So were our soldiers in afghan
@MK-su6egАй бұрын
I love my 987 boxster s and ive had only ly positive comments so far, kids, seniors, even had a lady say to me , my husband loves your car! Maybe because I live in Hawaii? ! , and its the perfect car for the weather! Year round, top down. Aloha and let em hate, they are probably jealous!
@soulerflare73 жыл бұрын
LT1 and VQ37VHR . Those are some incredible engines , I mean freakin incredible .
@joshuah.44963 жыл бұрын
Having owned both of them, while I will say the LT1 was innovative for its time, the Optispark ignition system is unreliable hot garbage and I absolutely hate that engine and trying to work on it. Hated it in my 95 Camaro with a passion. The VQ motors are all phenomenal motors though, no complaints there
@houseoffolly3 жыл бұрын
C4 baby ! Cheap to maintain, and you can gets lots more affordable power if you care to. I have a 1989 as I don't want a bomb(airbag) in my face. I want to get new wheels(the factory wheels ! - what were they thinking ?) and I know I'll find a nice looking set (with tires !)for $1000 for the Nissan and more for the Porsche.
@dgriffin60743 жыл бұрын
Having been a Porsche owner, I disagree that the Boxster is an "affordable" used sports car. Replacing the IMS and RMS would cost half of what you paid for the car. That isn't economical.
@ProjectM974 жыл бұрын
There are two different access points to the 986 engine. You can remove part of the convertible top to open the top access in about 3 minutes, or you can access the door behind the driver and passenger seat for changing the serpentine belts.
@ProjectM974 жыл бұрын
Hidden behind the carpet, but relatively easy and quick access considering
@JAFO.3 жыл бұрын
I'm sure it's been said before but I have to say it now, You guys do it right, I love your balanced heavy-handed approach to all your reviews, and as far as this one, I truly depreciate you guys. 😉
@antthe4th8244 жыл бұрын
You can see the engine in the boxster, you have to open the convertible and their is a hatch that you can open that let's you see the engine.
@matthewtaylor44503 жыл бұрын
Easy to get into service mode, u can tell the guy who said u couldnt access the engine doesnt work on cars, the 986 is actually very easy to work on, i have a 2000 986 and do preventative maintenance and repairs.
@gusgiesel3 жыл бұрын
I got a cherry 1995 Corvette 6-speed for $12000 and could not be happier! What a joy to drive :D GM did not put the performance numbers plaque on the C4 console. Those are aftermarket add-on pieces. This is a very common misconception.
@carsinruin61024 жыл бұрын
2.5l boosters did not have the IMS issues that the later cars had. I believe it was duel bearing vs the later single bearing cars.
@alanwood98043 жыл бұрын
The 2.5l 986 most defiantly had IMF failure issue, my 97 2.5 started to fail at about 95000 miles. The first symptom was a vibration when the throttle was lifted at higher RPMs, the oil was then inspected and found to contain small metal fragments.
@gsk51614 жыл бұрын
MR2 Spyder is all of those things.
@LouisEugen22 күн бұрын
Keeping a little ahead of conditions is one of the secrets of business, the trailer seldom goes far.
@yosemite-e2v3 жыл бұрын
These all look like fun cars, but I know I could work on the C4, and the economy of scale means the parts would be much more affordable. A 3.75" stroke crank and some after market heads combined with a higher lift cam would really wake that engine up for a relatively low price.
@Swarm509 Жыл бұрын
Basic engine parts are cheap, but all the C4 specific parts are very expensive these days with that going even higher as they dry up.
@yosemite-e2v Жыл бұрын
@@Swarm509 Even with that, you're going to be miles ahead when compared to the cost of parts for either of the other cars in this group. And C4s are popular enough that reproduction parts will eventually fill the gap, just as happened with first generation Camaros.
@prycenewberg39763 жыл бұрын
It is because of your focus on actual ownership (including price and driving the cars) that I love your channel. I always feel like you are trying to find a car to drive, and not a museum piece. I'm so tired of car reviewers getting in a car and immediately complaining about the materials of interior trim pieces that will NEVER be touched that I could spit. You get in a car and drive it. And then you tell us about it. Thank you.
@EverydayDriver3 жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoy what we do. Thanks for watching!
@deancarr45073 жыл бұрын
You guys gotta remember there were different suspension packages for the C4, I'd wager you didn't have a Z51 car, C4's can be nasty in the turns when set up properly. They were banned from SCCA for a reason
@fredsalfa3 жыл бұрын
Driven a few of those older Boxsters. The handling is very impressive
@henryatkinson14794 жыл бұрын
The Boxster is absolutely the best of the 3.
@Sam-mw5hx4 жыл бұрын
Slower and less reliable then the two
@henryatkinson14794 жыл бұрын
@@Sam-mw5hx More reliable than either, and while its not quicker in a straight line, an experienced driver would be faster around just about any track in it. Plus, even if something does break, parts are super cheap.
@menguardingtheirownwallets67913 жыл бұрын
I've heard the saying: What's the most expensive Porsche to own? = The cheapest one. That's because the maintenance on it will be MORE than the cost of buying a new one.
@phantom04563 жыл бұрын
I loved the shot of the C4 going past the C7... also, those C5 Z06 rims look great on the C4.
@sgvern13 жыл бұрын
I owned a 1984 1/2 Porsche 944, base. 142 horsepower. It was one of the most fun cars to drive. I would leave early for work so I could spend extra driving. Handled great, sounded great, felt great. And, I hauled several bags of grass feed and a spreader in the back. I threw that in the back , looked at the salesman and said “who says a Porsche is not a practical car?” Oh, I also hauled 500 pounds of paving stones in the back once. That was interesting. The suspension survived it in good health. Oh, and I paid $10,000 for it in 1993.
@jlou6064 жыл бұрын
I’m going with the z
@gregpavitt3093 жыл бұрын
Yes me too👍
@nthgth3 жыл бұрын
Can't go wrong with a solid Z!
@jlou6063 жыл бұрын
@Hillary's Future Ghost I recently bought 2010 nismo with 20 k plus miles fir 19k I say great deal plus I think the 350z are not good looking compared to the 370
@bige71863 жыл бұрын
Ew
@jlou6063 жыл бұрын
@A World Under A Spell must own a 350😂
@ronschwolsky16263 жыл бұрын
I had a C4.... bought it new. A few years later, had 2 kids and the car had to go. I loved that car. Now kids are grown and I've got an F-Type. The Jag is the best value and sexiest looking sports car money can buy. The 'vette's interior was always the downside.
@mg_streetkandi4 жыл бұрын
I really miss my c4...great car and very slept on. Better than what people think.
@caganb2 жыл бұрын
I drove my 96 c4 lt4 today. I have to register it this week.
@StgVirus14 жыл бұрын
Depreciation is always your friend. Unless, you're trying to sell.
@beans42693 жыл бұрын
Unless you're in it to flip never look at a car as an asset. Youll just lose
@boyfrmnewyork4 жыл бұрын
Was looking for a Porsche, I already have a 1971 Stingray, when I got a 1991C4 ZR1 for roughly $10,000 US plus tax (Estate sale) missed out on the Porsche. Only needed a fresh battery in two years of service. Makes me smile every time I drive it and turns heads aplenty.. Long live "The King of the Hill!"
@KyleShoeBoi4 жыл бұрын
370z all the way. Cheapest to maintain and the most reliable car in this bunch. I do say this because I daily drive mine. I own one and I must say even to this day I still find it stunningly beautiful. Even strangers find it beautiful. That's a testament to its timeless design. Almost 13 years old but still looks good compared to newer cars today. Naturally aspirated V6 with not much technology. It's a dying breed of a pure driver's sports car.
@drm93974 жыл бұрын
Cheapest to maintain the 370Z? Not a chance. Tell me, what's a timing chain for a 370Z go for? For the Corvette? $16. You read that right. $16. Oil pump? $17. Water pump? $26. Front brake pads? $12. Oh... you want performance pads? OK... those are $36. As far as anything Nissan being more reliable than a small block Chevrolet? I think not. As far as the rest of the car goes? How are those slave cylinders doing? Still grenading?
@Lavaman36824 жыл бұрын
Umm dead reliable except top failed on mine. But the brakes, gears, engine, et cetera? Nope. Just change oil and tyres.
@chadhero374 жыл бұрын
I just bought a 2017 (only 10k miles though) 370. I wanted a covertable with a manal transmission and I had to search high and low for it. I like it though. How can you drive a sports car with a manual transmission??
@jpc10733 жыл бұрын
I’d bet good money that Z at the age of C4 will be more reliable and cheaper to maintain. First Water pump, Oil pump and the timing chain? These things rarely go out in a Z but it sounds like it’s a thing for the C4. Also the brakes really? C4 brakes are tiny brake calipers I’ll gladly pay the extra money for the extra stopping power. That small block might be the only thing reliable on that car have fun chasing down the countless other things that are going on with that car. The 370z down the road will also be easy to repair they were made from 09-20 so parts will be plentiful and the price will go down.
@KyleShoeBoi3 жыл бұрын
@@jpc1073 Good input. Almost exactly what I wanted to say.
@pr0d1gyvisions743 жыл бұрын
2-3k more you can get the Boxter S, and have more fun.
@z-ro343 жыл бұрын
Nice review! A quick note on the 370Z, if you're looking at something between 2009 and 2012, get the oil pressure tested. The oil gallery gaskets were made of a less durable material in those years and can crack or completely fail. Nissan did fix this in 2013 and newer vehicles. It's not to say "stay away" from them, but more as a precaution. I've had my 2011 since 2013 with 8200 miles; it now has 128K miles and many track days on the car, and the oil pressure is still within factory specifications. I would consider that an exception and not the rule. Also, replace the internal CSC with an external kit for the clutch system on the manual transmission model.
@williamlehmaniv74603 жыл бұрын
The biggest thing people miss when testing Corvettes or when owning Corvettes is not replacing old bushings. Same thing with the seats and the old foam in the bolsters. Old flexible, wearable materials need to be replaced if you want the thing handling and feeling like a new car.
@mariolt49403 жыл бұрын
Well the C4 is probably the best looking car there.
@deleted_account33 жыл бұрын
Nah the porsh
@mariolt49403 жыл бұрын
@@deleted_account3 ok the cheapest
@zguy951354 жыл бұрын
Dual Row Boxster gang. It's a convertible, it's quiet with the top down, it's easy to work on, it drives like it's on rails. Whats not to like? Also just replace your bearing when you do the clutch...
@TheHighestGodisGood3 жыл бұрын
Man I wish I could get any better for 5k. They start at 15k here, ready to go. The 5k ones need 10k worth of work.
@sergeantscumbag21164 жыл бұрын
i love the 1990s vette i think it just looks so sweet
@paullaverty30384 жыл бұрын
Yes the 94C4 is an amazing car for $5000 which is what I paid for my 3 years ago. Z car might be something I have to look in to in the near future thanks for doing this. But if you want a good C for OK to 96 the last year before they start going up in price.
@willyz954 жыл бұрын
I have the exact 370z with the same spec and color. I paid $10,500. I love this thing! For the price its amazing. I would never pay more than 15k for one though.
@angelb41434 жыл бұрын
I paid 15 for mine same model but 23k miles
@JohnFromAccounting4 жыл бұрын
@@angelb4143 That's a good buy.
@v48473 жыл бұрын
When the answer isn't Miata, it's MR2/MR-S
@iHaveTheDocuments3 жыл бұрын
These are the kinds of videos they need to keep doing
@dcartellone26592 жыл бұрын
Really liked the ZR-1 c4. So unappreciated and sometimes forgotten.
@EverydayDriver2 жыл бұрын
We reviewed the C4 ZR1 at length in our Corvette feature films “American Original”.
@aureliomontoya81973 жыл бұрын
You cant find any Zs for 10k in chicago lol
@presidentsad72173 жыл бұрын
ikr, thats why I just an hr for $3k, I wanna get a 370z soon tho
@aureliomontoya81973 жыл бұрын
@@presidentsad7217 Yea man get the HR tuned youll literally be running with the VQ37 plus i think the 350z HR look nice asf when theyre clean. I ended up getting a G37S 6speed.