Cheapest Mid-Drive Electric Mountain Bike I've Tried - Haoqi Mustang Review

[@TailHappyTV]

tinyurl.com/haoqi-mustang - click here to see the current "on sale" price and also help support my ebike reviews if you decide to buy this e-mtb

[@HullioGQ]

What kind of link is this? My browser double blocked!! Also, I wanted to know; when this bike breaks down, where do people go to get it fixed or replacement parts?

[@Truth_Spoken]

Link doesn’t work

[@karlfonner7589]

What do you do with the bicycles after you review them? Do you sell them? Can I purchase one?

[@jorgecamara1030]

Thanks for your time and your support information great video update

[@daves485]

It may be a cheap bike but from what I can see you had a great day! Fun ride, great location, nice weather! I’d rather ride everywhere you road instead of being at work 😂 the 2 guys who test drove it liked it! Thanks for the great video and narrating!

[@EffAlfabet6789]

20:25 My 750w BBS02 is dead silent due to its lighter nylon reduction gear, also used in the BBSHD. In all M series bafangs they use the alloy gear which makes that whine. You can upgrade your BBS02/HD to an alloy gear for 35$. But its heavier and makes that noise. I like the Nylons gear for its quietness. Gives a very premium silent feel to the bike with the sine wave controller bafangs all use.

[@chaleowin7732]

I converted my Specialized Stump Jumper using a Bafang 1000W BBSHD Mid Drive kit. Love it. I'm considering doing the same for my Framed Avalanche.

[@jasonx7803]

Just FYI, Hao Qi is mandarin for basically "good energy". If you've heard people talking about "chi" as in acupuncture, it's that same word. For some reason in pinyin (how to write Chinese with the latin alphabet we use) they use Q for the "ch" sound, so it's something like "how chi". (Some other weird ones, "c" on a word like "cai" [vegetable] is "ts", "x" is just "sh", but "sh" like in "shao lin" is more like the "sh" at the end of "harsh")

[@ELECTRICBIKEDIYLIFE]

When you were burning out the tire in the beginning, it sounded like Crocodile Dundee 2 when he was making the Outback phone call, lol.

[@kickerwormz3262]

I think we're spoiled with the Dual Star with a torque sensor. Mine straight climbs!! I think you used to a better top end. However, I personally like the whine. It reminds me of the whine of my Kenne Bell supercharger on my 88' Foxbody Mustang. I plan on going out that way. I don't know any of the trails around there. The last time I went there, I bought a churro from someone on the pier. The second the vendor gave me my churro; a stupid seagull snatched it out of my fingers. I didn't even have time to completely grip the churro in my hand! Dumb seagull! 😡🤣😡🤣 I want to do the same course you do your reviews on. It's like a landmark trail. 🤣🤣🤣 Thanks for another great review!

[@18andlikeit]

I did a mid drive conversion to a MTB. 750w Befang motor. I really like it but honestly I prefer big hub motor bikes like my 5 Star. Never have to worry about what gear you're in, just get on and go. And go it does. It's much faster up hills than my mid drive, 40mph on the flats and for less $ than that 500w mid drive.

[@gmaster716]

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[@Hoggdoc1946]

Install a larger front chainring and the top speed will increase.

[@meh-87]

Check out the Hyper mid-drive. The price varies at walmart but it has been as low as $699.

[@4xeGuy]

I just checked and it's $1498

[@MarvinWestmaas]

Those shifts under load... you could hear that chain crying

[@ramborambokitchenkitchen6357]

He doesn’t care as he rides them once for the video then sells them for a massive discount from new on Facebook marketplace.

[@MarvinWestmaas]

@@ramborambokitchenkitchen6357 Well this video was a bad promotion for his facebook marketplace efforts then wasn't it ;)

[@karlfonner7589]

@@ramborambokitchenkitchen6357 do you have a link to his market place f do you have a li

[@karlfonner7589]

@@ramborambokitchenkitchen6357 do you have a link to his market place f do you have a li

[@travisj.1938]

I like the sound of the motor kind of sounds like a Supercharger.

[@Flash007b]

9:16 - I really thought you were starting the hokey pokey song

[@StanMcClain]

In future videos can you mention if the batteries and chargers are UL or CE Approved?

[@ramborambokitchenkitchen6357]

Isn’t every electrical item CE approved?. Nobody can sell anything at all here in Europe without that rating!.

[@StanMcClain]

@@ramborambokitchenkitchen6357 The prudence seems to be warranted because of a few bad apples.🙂

[@Random-ed2xf]

You can buy a bunch of CE stickers or even ones with a lower wattage rating for a reason. 🤣 Saying and actually being rated is rarely followed in China.

[@stevendunnuck]

looks like it would maybe be a good platform for mtb build

[@Gwalk01]

Sun tour is a really popular on most cheap e-bikes and a average person bike in europe they are used by companies like giant trek and more

[@MarvinWestmaas]

Suntour makes actual mountainbike forks. My Giant Talon came with one, as you indicated. That fork and the motor are the only name brands I recognize.

[@Gwalk01]

@@MarvinWestmaas that’s what I mean as they do have some nicer range forks as my giant stance came with a really nice sun tour fork with thick stances and it handles big jumps good and tech climbs

[@Gwalk01]

@@MarvinWestmaas same for name brands as I really hate random Chinese motors battery’s and forks as I personally have a Bosch canyon e bike

[@MarvinWestmaas]

@@Gwalk01 I put a Tongshen tsdz2B on my Giant ... yeah I'm quite poor I guess. ' But it works for me ;) Envious of your 160nm torque tho

[@MarvinWestmaas]

@@Gwalk01 Ow btw, Tonshen is Chinese. But besides Toseven there isn't much available with a torque sensor which fits on standard bottom brackets. The tsdz2(b) has a really big community supporting it though so I guess it's not just any random CN motor lol

[@daves485]

If you had to choose…. Velotrec or the Haoqi? I was about to pull the trigger on the Velotrec after seeing your video in Tacoma, but hit the brakes when I saw this video, now I’m just confused on which one is better for the money?

[@bellyacres7846]

great to see you review a mid drive. they are not a city street ebike as mid drives are a different purpose. they are slower. :) for us in the woods those are great when the right motor size is used. [750 watt minimum] a 500 is weak - when your 230 lbs a 500 watt is weak. when you want to get up n go? 500 is weak that stem is weak as alot of it is gone to hold that display. I kinda like [personal opinion] that 500c type display that sits to the side, but there are others . . . yeah Im more of a gravel/dirt rider, so stop lights & traffic are not much of a concern. I like the idea of shifting to meet the needs a mid drive isnt built for speed, but the climb, the longer climbs of a long grade. it is not a race bike [for most of us] (but on a long grade a mid drive wont get hot) I hope (?) this one is pretty noisy, maybe because its too small as it has to work harder (?) I need to see a few more mid drive ebikes as Im in the woods were torque is king :) there are mid drive ebikes in the hemiway realm, the A7 like this one has a weak stem and that silly 500 watt motor their D7 pro looks good, but a hard tail {I kinda like that} but a 500 watt weakness - bummer I see eunaro has a 100 watt mid drive [kinda boxy looking frame] but something Id consider.

[@ramborambokitchenkitchen6357]

Bafang m620 is the only mid drive I’d ever bother with but it’s quite pricey. Rated for 1500w peak but people have run much more than that without issues. That motor can usually get you to 40mph if the gearing is optimal.

[@denislitisha7136]

Really? Why do most big brands make city bikes with Bosch mid drive?

[@bellyacres7846]

@@denislitisha7136 maybe because their in the city? Ive seen the shops of this area have those, but the actual mtn riders I see have a Bafang

[@denislitisha7136]

@@bellyacres7846 not here in Vancouver. Mostly Bosch or Shimano, Yamaha or Giant’s proprietary system. That’s for mountain or city

[@bellyacres7846]

@@denislitisha7136 Ive been to vancouver a few times and it looks like a city to me. most city streets are paved. real trails are not paved, often steep here & there. logging roads are not paved, some roads are too steep to pave [yup Ive done const a few years, sadly pavement isnt an option] so yeah I have ebikes that do rail trails n city roads n highways that are made to happy riding specs. my ebikes are for that purpose a mid drive 500 watt and under are ok on those city streets too - so they are popular and that helps a shop sell more. so I was being polite as I myself lived & worked in a city for years - ppl there have different needs and yes Ive seen some hard core mtn bike riders that have skills use under 500 watt mid drives, but Im not one of them :) I am realistic and remember my size & limitations. so maybe I can get along with a 750 watt or better mid drive. Iam just [a little] familiar with the bafang mid drives and might be able to work on them and maintain them. Ive been to the shops and tired of their snooty ways. they make it clear that Im not as good as they are. so I smiled & walked away. their loss. Ive looked into the bosch motors - wasnt impressed, but the city shops sell them, so ppl living there buy them. and that is good for them. ;) Ive been watching some UK emtb vids and am impressed with the brose mid drive Im open to learn more about that. its another model thats in shops over there. it looks good and has been made for years. just a thought to look into. :)

[@Randomadventuresebike]

Was thinking it's ok not too bad. Sounds cool. But don't really see any up side to it. It went 17 up the incline the same as the hub drives. then the inconvenience of the shifting always. But the real deal breaker came when I heard $2499 lol. My moped style goes 32 had dual batteries. 50+ mile range 2000 watts peak . And cost me $1079 😅 . Nice review though. 👌

[@bellyacres7846]

just a "thought" for the concern of a chain or drive train issue (?) maybe? add a hub motor on the front? a stand alone system with its own battery, throttle that will get you out & home no chain? no pedal? :) If you want a go fast or up n over? maybe an added hub motor might be an answer?

[@Random-ed2xf]

Defeating the purpose of a mid drive. Bike is already 70 lbs. Just get a geared rear hub if you don't like this setup.

[@vtalen]

You are mistaken class 2 is 29 an hour with hand throttle class 1 is 20 mph federal system if you class 3 is 28 mph again with no human throttle

[@garydetaeye7081]

Your brave putting your hand there

[@stackingdimes6939]

I’m not seeing a UL listed sticker anywhere is this bike UL listed? If not it’s a fire starter

[@booobtooober]

New Goat 🐐 in the box @ 9:10 Maybe tomorrow's video !? Anxiously waiting. 😮😢😂

[@TailHappyTV]

Check out @juicedjoyrides

[@BruceGordon925]

Chain guard?

[@eagle94haslanded]

Is there a way to get significantly stronger gears/chains? That is way to much torque for that chain and gears.

[@Tabonyimmek]

If I’ll buy that I’ll but a bigger sprocket on the front to get to the sweet point of not pedaling too slow on the granny gear and not too fast at 8th 24-28mph

[@Rj-dq1qe]

When this guy turns the battery around, you can seer the 'warnings". You can't get this battery wet and it says avoid rain....hmmm. Some mountain bike. Mine was used crossing streams and never far away from a rain storm.

[@jasondelarosa5457]

Kinda better to have 7-8 speed on a mid drive. Less shifting and the cogs and chain are more durable and cheaper.

[@MarvinWestmaas]

Pinion is my dream. Heck I thought about replacing mine with a Nexus ( also to weak and would fail ) or Enviolo or something, chewing through chains and cassettes ( though it's mainly the 11t which goes, always ) Ow I'm sticking with replacing every 1k km, could get 40% more using the expensive shimano chains but my Sunrace chain is 66% cheaper.

[@jasondelarosa5457]

@MarvinWestmaas the pinion and enviolo are so expensive though but you make some of it back with less maintenance. Stick to sunrace 66% off too good.

[@MarvinWestmaas]

@@jasondelarosa5457 I didn't want a rear hub gear because of the weight placement mostly, so I would love a pinion but they are indeed way way way out of my price range. Pinion with belt drive -> almost zero maintenance. And with an ebike, it doesn't matter you loose some efficiency. Would be that great to ride when you're empty though, even if it's single digit loss already vs a conventional drivetrain.

[@chriskorejwo2903]

So torn between the mustang and the summit one? comparing the two which is the more capable bike off road and which one has more power for hills and which one has highest top speed. They are both the same cost right now

[@ammomeister]

Seems like the reviewer mostly ride on pavement....the Summit 1 is a much better bike for dual use on pavement and light off road riding (not hard core technical ride since it is a hard tail). I got the Summit 1 and for top speed throttle only I've reach 32 mph and with a little pedal assist top gear 34 mph (I could even go a bit higher but there was a speed limit of 25 mph at the park recreation area). The Mustang weighs 70 lbs with battery while the Summit weighs at 62 lbs with the battery, so Summit 1 FTW!

[@chriskorejwo2903]

@ammomeister thank you so much for your reply. Perfect you confirmed my thoughts.

[@JustaChillguy_21]

it’s cool but I wouldn’t take it on the trails. It doesn’t have a dropper post and the display is pretty exposed there

[@JorgeLausell]

Thanks! Q: Have you reviewed belt drive to an internal hub mid drive e-bikes? Seems like carrots and peas!

[@gerardsss1]

taller rider here (6-2 but 34.5 in inseam). I usually ride 61cm frames in road bikes. Would you say that this Mustang bike is too short for proper leg extension...or is the Velotric Summit 1 more comfortable a ride for street? I'm between these two bikes (Mustang vs Summit 1). Thanks

[@Emtbtoday]

Electronic shifter module installed to the derailleur is it?

[@KennethWare-bn9vr]

That saddle looks sharp, how's ya piranium

[@brentolson5504]

Is this in Miami?

[@luisruiz1527]

What's the weight on it??

[@ianmangham4570]

34mm and boost means wider fork than old 100mm

[@MichaelClement-u2k]

Velotric summit 1 or this….?

[@Folsomdsf2]

looks like it'd be pronounced 'how chi' essentially.

[@EBikeBuilder_]

Yes, That’s how haoqi says to pronounce it 😂

[@jasonx7803]

@@EBikeBuilder_ because that's how it's pronounced. It's just pinyin. Literally just "good spirit".

[@denislitisha7136]

Whistlin’ Diesel 😂😂😂

[@tarstarkusz]

1970s automatics are NOT slow. They can shift faster than any person. You're thinking of the 50s 2 speed automatics. Most of the transmissions in service in the 70s were in service from the 60s until the late 90s early 2000s when gears started really multiplying. For example, 10s of millions of Torqueflite (Chrysler) transmissions were in cars from the mid 50s till the 90s.

[@bobbybecker80]

What a shame that it has about 20 pounds too much weight since (FME) the Bafang motors are bulletproof.

[@scottishcontentcreators]

Hi from Scotland 👋. First thing I'd say is why the silly wee front chainring? Surely there's a better compromise? Nice mid range altus derailleur with hyperglide chain and cassette but no guards on front ring or at derailleur. Also with these full suspension frames, check that the rear pivot points have proper bushes and are not just soft metal that will wear out in no time (that was my experience with a cheap full suspension frame). And lastly, the guy just getting out his bed in front of us at 27 minutes, lol, he looks like a tramp but it's Los Santos so I'm guessing he's probably heading off to get in his Bentley and going home to a multi million dollar mansion 😅. In fact was it Trevor?

[@MarvinWestmaas]

Advertised as 'premium mountainbike' comes with a decent front suspension capable of actually going on a trail.... paired with a no clutch Shimano Altus and not even a proper narrow wide up front, this can't go on a trail you'll be dropping chains constantly. I would rather have a Microshift with a clutch then a Shimano without, and you definitely would need to replace that front chain ring.

[@montet6268]

Please shift during acceleration. It's just like a manual transmission car.

[@GamingAdventureWithAtif]

mashallah❤❤❤❤

[@InMyBrz]

MATT ... my cousin lives in Oceanside Years ago I used to run into Long Beach with my containership, always had a good time there Where do you live, is that Venice Beach ? I am sure you don't completly survive on YT videos, you work online ? You look like an IT guy ? Am from Florida but living in the south of Brasil for the last 5 years, lived here before too Florida has turned to shit, looking for a place to go when and if we come back ! Since I have family in Oceanside, thinking of that area, what do you think ?

[@aimcorp6563]

Need a dual hub + mid drive bike :P

[@kar120cc]

And to think that my Yamaha Moro 07 was only $350 more...

[@HaHaThatIsFunny]

Seems like this is a "mountain bike" that does not like doing mountain bike things

[@MarvinWestmaas]

Exactly! Deceptive marketing. And it's a shame, I would take that fork on a trail no issues but Altus and not even a proper narrow wide? You're not riding much, you're going to be putting your chain back on. Constantly.

[@ramborambokitchenkitchen6357]

Most mountain bikes never leave the street anyway 😂.

[@stevehemlocker]

???? Explain.

[@slimdunkin117]

M560 is a highly rated motor it’s designed to be pedaled…this motor is loved by mtb enthusiasts

[@EBikeBuilder_]

@@MarvinWestmaasthe altus is what 20$…. Not that big of a deal to put a different RD on it

[@spawnrcandbikes]

that stem looks sketch ....the power looks decent

[@killienrillien7852]

Wow how hard and heavy😊

[@dmcg9066]

Sounds like a dang UFO

[@xXDAVID_GABRIxX]

I want a cheaper mud motor

[@marcopaganotto9125]

It'll perform a lot better if you actually pedal 👍

[@maxheadroom1506]

Thats how you end up with burn stain on your floor

[@MarvinWestmaas]

If it's an airshock it comes with a manual... with a list of rider weights and 'starting pressure' to dail your suspension in :) The front shock is actually not terrible, though I'm not sure about the frame and the rest of the components like the rear shock. Suntour makes decent entry level mountainbike forks which you can actually take out on a trail.

[@ramborambokitchenkitchen6357]

I had the suntour xcm32 on my first ebike and I thought that suspension was shit😂. Mind you the roads around me are really harsh and bad but it wasn’t fun riding with that fork. A nice rockshox sorted the problem.

[@MarvinWestmaas]

@@ramborambokitchenkitchen6357 XCM is a coil fork with no rebound control so it's bottom end mountainbike fork. But most of these 'premium mountainbikes' from Ali come with Ali forks which I wouldn't take on a trail and expect to live. The Suntour might not be the best, but it won't snap in half going down a drop. I like my XCR32 it's a decent fork for the price. And it's reliable.

[@ramborambokitchenkitchen6357]

@@MarvinWestmaas I remember it wasn’t comfortable riding above 20mph because the front suspension couldn’t handle the bumps and It was a hard tail bike so none on the rear. Thankfully good quality forks are dirt cheap on the used market.

[@MarvinWestmaas]

@@ramborambokitchenkitchen6357 Btw, I came from a Rockshox Pike with the u-turn 100-130mm adjustable suspension ( coil ) but that wouldn't fit my new frame. The Suntour is much lighter and with some tuning of the air pressure I feel it's much better on the small bumps. The Pike is better on bigger stuff though, I might need to add some spacers to make damping more progressive.

[@MarvinWestmaas]

@@ramborambokitchenkitchen6357 XCM has no rebound control, the faster you're going over bumps the faster the rebound has to work. Also, it's probably tuned for mountainbike speeds. And yeah, a good XCR32 is indeed dirt cheap and does what it's supposed to do. I do miss being able to switch between 100-130mm, could totally transform headtube angle on demand. No amount of good quality forks will fix a hardtail not having rear suspension. That's why you either learn to use your knees as your suspension and/or get a decent suspension seatpost.

[@leftjab6187]

nope

[@zl1rdnz]

Clearrly a rubbish bike with cheap no-name components and badly built from the factory. Why would anyone buy this junk I have no idea.

[@samkong2741]

But they want $2200 for a piece of cheap Chinese MTB ? While we can pay $1919 for a Yamaha.

[@marcopaganotto9125]

I think it looks pretty well built and Bafang motors are very good. I'd update the components gradually. Better fork, better rear shock, better tyres and mech and shifter etc.

[@slimdunkin117]

This is actually decent components..the m560 is a highly rated motor. It’s designed for pedaling. And the shimano Altus is cheap, but it’s not no name..

[@EBikeBuilder_]

Its for riding trails boys not the street. If that wasnt obvious

[@SamB502]

Perhaps you can point to something comparable in price that doesn’t make have such a negative reaction…?

[@909Kodak]

Wow not impressive at all. Not fast, and not quick either despite the claims of torque. For the money you could buy a Velotric summit 1 put a suspension seat post on it and be way better. I couldn’t help but notice you didn’t fill in any of the blanks as far as top speed range acceleration braking. It’s all a mystery unless you carefully watch the video.

[@scu-dub]

Think I'd get a wired or ecells😊

[@909Kodak]

@@scu-dubyeah kind of agree, but looking for something lighter and not fat tire. So summit still wins.

[@scu-dub]

@@909Kodak 👍🏼

[@ramborambokitchenkitchen6357]

I have a feeling Matt just wanted to get the review over with 😂. It’s not great for the price is it considering what else is out there for cheaper that shits all over this.

[@MarvinWestmaas]

'Premium mountainbike' 'Shimano Altus' 🤣🤣 It's a nice city bike which can handle some potholes.

[@mikec4308]

most ebikes are not suitable for actual mountain biking. im sure this thing is fine on some rough trails but not the kind of mountain biking youre thinking of

[@ramborambokitchenkitchen6357]

2400 bucks bike with a 15 dollar derailleur 😂. I’m sure they buy them in bulk and get them a lot cheaper than that even lol. They couldn’t have atleast used a SRAM X4?, it’s crazy how much better it is for double the price.

[@maximuscassius3121]

IMO no offense this bike sucks...no frills, no power like riding a slow pillow😂 IMO

[@qinelenleawatanabe2162]

Cheap price bike comes with a lot of shortcuts..... Several concerns on shortcuts worry me on the safety and viability of a consistent safe ride, such as frame design and construction, plastic "mid drive" and other parts. All appear to be slapped together to create a "wreck wafting to happen" The front bolt holding the front tire is another concern as it is just one main bolt slapped in and held tight by the threading on the fork.....not well thought out methinks. All it needs is to come loose while riding to incur a bike and rider head over heels crash, I wouldn't insure that bike as an an insurance company much less ride one

[@EBikeBuilder_]

No wonder This comment is on the bottom , talking with conviction as if You know what you’re talking about, yet totally wrong about everything 😂 🤷‍♂️

[@qinelenleawatanabe2162]

@@EBikeBuilder_ Your opinion and don't really care what you have to say and you don't know me nor my background