CHEATING Bots in Marvel Snap: RECOGNIZE and BEAT Them!! 🙂🔪

[@paulkanja]

That thumbnail was gold... It literally took me 5 minutes to finish laughing Nah kidding, I'm still laughing

[@brianlamb9957]

This video SAVED MY ASS! I've hit multiple walls throughout my time in this game, going from 99 all the way back to the 80s. Getting counter-picked and constant impossibly telepathic plays to lose major games. Watched this, used the patriot deck and have crushed these damn cheating bots. THANK YOU!

[@duchypuchy]

From my experience, cheating bots don't accurately account for ongoing effects so one way to prevent them from retreating on T6 is to play a deck with ongoing cards and they are more likely to stay despite them losing. And pretty much all the decks that Nina recommended use ongoing cards so that's good.

[@ClumsyVash]

Skrul 😂😂

[@samuelfoston4556]

I really appreciate you doing this. A few months ago I noticed something was up but was unaware of bots. I left and came back and felt it worse (your comment about internal mmr makes sense). I actually think it’s quite disgusting that they do this. It feels pointless playing… I open the game, do the missions, and then I feel completely unmotivated, knowing most of the opponents are bots and how they operate. You are the first to do this, so kudos for that. A good way of confirming bots btw: if you minimise the game at the start of the match, when the first location is revealing, the timer doesn’t go down with bots. Seems to only happen at the start of the game, but i minimised and was caught up in a convo for about 15 mins and the bot was still waiting for me to play my cards. Anyone… this revelation has turned me of the game. I think it’s a bit of a scam and in combination with nerfing cards and excessive pricing and gradual reduction of free rewards… meh, I’ll focus my time on something else.

[@ninaisnoob]

oh that’s interesting about the minimising thing, I never knew! if it were a real opponent, it would’ve counted you as being timed out and retreated 🤔

[@ElMarlish]

@@ninaisnoob I'm confused, is the marvel snap team making those bots ? but why ? why would they fuck up their game like this ?

[@WebbstreMain]

I am so glad popular streamers are finally talking about this. For a long time anyone that brought it up was labeled as crazy

[@MagicBaking]

Last point I don’t think you mentioned is that I didn’t think bots emoted. This is an easy way to find some real players too. Thanks for the comprehensive video, I always try and explain to others how to spot bots as it is a big part of getting to infinite and now I can just share this instead!

[@MisterCasket]

I'm not sure. I recently played against (what I thought) a bot. Random shit cards, generic name and avatar. When it lost, suddenly the AAARGH popped up ! I was so confused haha!

[@ninaisnoob]

I didn’t mention the emoting because I heard from Ordinary Harry that he’s been emotes by a bot so I wasn’t sure if bots could emote now or not.

[@MagicBaking]

@@ninaisnoob thanks, I’ve edited my response to not sound so much like a know it all :)

[@MagicBaking]

@@ninaisnoob Also another way to tell if it’s a bot is that you can reconnect to a bot after you would have normally timed out for being away. It’s a dangerous one to test but I have managed it a couple of times by accident on my phone

[@geraltriviyski7577]

In conquest bots often plays on destroy with Ideal cards on every turn

[@СуперКупер-у1т]

And ideal locations

[@ninaisnoob]

i notice that when bots play move decks they often get locations favourable to move decks *puts on tinfoil hat*

[@FantasticU]

​​@@ninaisnoobthat is true. After seeing a move deck player in conquest get aunt may or great web 3 rounds in a row, I didnt think it was a coincidence anymore.

[@Dellroth]

Finally some great info on bots! Im saving so many cubes with these super unfair fights after all of the great info! My favorite marvel snap content creator always puts out the heat

[@AnythingThatWork]

So glad they added Conquest, because if it wasn't for Conquest I would of stopped playing Marvel Snap due to the huge frustration level of dealing with those Cheating Bots! Now once I reach Ladder 80+ so I can get the Season Avatar after that I'll only play Ladder for a quick game. It's just not worth the frustration level. Instead I'll play Conquest, even if it means playing just Proving Grounds. Thanks Nina for another Awesome video and the keys to defeating these pesky bots!!! You Rock!

[@555whatever666]

I think Magik creating a turn 7 screws with their AI too. I think I have been inadvertently creating the “down in two lanes” condition by playing high evo - she-hulk cause I’m usually behind by 5, pass on 6, then hulk+she-hulk on 7. It’s usually a win or a retreat.😊

[@The_Human_Gamer]

This is the best thumbnail I've ever seen. Also, great video for those not in the know. I learned some stuff I didn't know about the high lvl bots, too.

[@HenryZhoupokemon]

One thing I’ve learned is to never go to eight cubes against a bot if you have to play into danger room

[@ninaisnoob]

true, they know whether your cards and their cards will survive in that location!

[@mindblown42069]

@@ninaisnoobomg really. New to the game so haven’t really noticed them yet, but I’ll keep an eye out after seeing this.

[@sefayilmaz3279]

destroy lands are the best for my deck, destroy deck is not affected by maps like that 

[@Official_JakeClips]

Silver surfer has been my go to to beat bots, especially if you can do the turn 6 silver surfer absorbing man combo

[@DeathxNote]

OKAY THIS IS SOME NEXT LVL THUMBNAIL 😂 I think you're onto something with this one ❤

[@jtap9024]

This was super helpful! Thank you! Your new control deck helped me reach infinite this week! Thanks for all the content! Keep it up 👍🏾

[@Tigertown84]

Zoinks, I should have known what was up when Blade discarded Ironman down at the old abandoned amusement park.

[@Tobeh]

As some one who plays very fast, I’m sure I’ve triggered some ones bot senses when they snap and end turn quickly. Normally I’m just waiting for my opponent to catch up. When they snap at halfway through the turn timer I’ve already been waiting for 10+ seconds and am just like “yeah ok cool bud let’s go”. I’ve learned to trust my gut because every time I talk myself out of the first thing I think of, turns out that first idea would have won the game for me. If I lose then I know I played as well as I reasonably could have and fell short. I also like seeing streamers have several hundred people help them through a tough turn just to turn around and call an opponent a bot for making a mistake on the same tough turn.

[@ninaisnoob]

streamers do get help from chat sometimes but most of the time i concentrate so hard i just end up ignoring chat

[@DeleteExistence]

I've had bots retreat on me when they're winning on 2 locations

[@aureliusmorgan2448]

The part you talked about them knowing the rng is nuts I tried an experiment with using lockjaw because I’m at rank 90 and basically only face cheater bots and they countered doctor doom coming out of lockjaw wild stuff

[@fot3k]

Should add possible bots to the Untapped Overlay tracker from one of the confirmed bot lists out there. 👍🏻

[@jimmyprice4698]

Since the last update, >50% of my games have been against throwing bots. I wonder if because I havent played as much Snap this patch but made infinte in a day last patch, SD is trying to get me to my MMR.

[@GrimlockGuy34]

This video was very helpful, I didnt know about the base avatar thing. I mostly went off impossible splits.

[@ninaisnoob]

They fixed that! Bots don't use impossible splits anymore.

[@arslaantahir3961]

This was a really helpful video Nina, thank you!

[@CapN_Crump]

Amazing thumbnail. I hate that I get too focused on the game and don’t notice I’m playing a bit until it’s too late to capitalize lol

[@pluche2931]

didnt know you had a vod channel, i'm gonna sub

[@lethalprotector2078]

Thanks for the tips on the bots Nina the thumbnail is hilarious btw.

[@diegoj.madrox9103]

useful video, thanks Nina. Now I wonder if I ever play against a cheat boot... I'll pay more attention next time.

[@leonardjones1077]

Thank you for the information most needed... The way that I find out if I'm playing against a bot, I just plain old stall them out. What I mean by that is first off I click hello and if they don't respond I click hello again and after that I just let the time run out. If they let the time run out without clicking an emoji then they are a bot

[@MrKarlpotter]

I've been playing the game for many months but this video has a ton of learning in it for me, thank you! 😊

[@kotbegemot4223]

Best nickname i meet - Snap is a casino "of the year" 🤣

[@MineCraftpwr]

been playing snap for about a month now and just now looking up content about it lol thank you for the insight

[@Soknik01]

Fair play is important. It's important enough that online game developers dedicate huge amounts of resources to combat cheating to the best of their ability. The fact that the marvel snap devs have a built in mechanic that ensures the player will face opponents that cheat by playing by a completely different set of rules, all in an effort to increase the amount of losses taken by the player, really highlights what scumbag lowlifes the folks at second dinner are.

[@kotbegemot4223]

Thank you for raising this topic. I really hope that this topic will be raised by as many snap streamers as possible. it's a shame to make a card game where 70-80% of the games are cheat bots.

[@dreimann]

Yes, I don't think this topic gets nearly enough attention. Engagement optimized matchmaking is the bane of online gaming.

[@kotbegemot4223]

​@@dreimann for some reason other card games don’t have this problem and there are no bots. and the game looks for opponents very quickly. It means no one plays Snap if there are so many bots.

[@dreimann]

@@kotbegemot4223 - Hearthstone definitely has bots, but they're incredibly easy to identify. I honestly wouldn't mind Snap's bots as much if they were clearly marked as such. Trying to fool players into thinking they're playing another human when they're actually playing a bot is a problem.

[@Agentninety3]

Pretty sure I came up against two bots earlier using the sentinel card back from the days of future past season. Both times showed completely botty behaviour with the instant snap at the start of the turn, and retreat later in turn 6, coupled with a pretty random deck. Plus the one word names, only thing against was the card back and non-starter avatar.

[@kristinapeterson6083]

Didn't think I was gunna learn anything new but I stand corrected, thanks for the great info.!

[@humansperson5540]

Just wanted to come back here to say this video helped me to get to Infinite for the first time!! Thanks Nina!

[@theliving1037]

They should just get rid of cheating bots imo. Climbing to rank 100 shouldn't be hard, that's when the fun starts imo

[@gydeoneal7707]

This was very helpful!! Thanks!

[@MadHouseGaming316]

I'm 100% sure they pull cards to win matches that didn't even start in their deck which doesn't make this game rng , it's rigged

[@istsoft1]

totally agree

[@fangexploring]

Thanks Nina, finally I learn the way of the bots after playing for 6 months lol

[@JaxDK]

The bot activity in this game is at a point where I am considering spending less time and no money on Marvel SNAP. It is frustrating, to say the least.

[@istsoft1]

dont spend money at all and youll see more games against players/bots for you having no chance to win at all no matter you doin

[@JaxDK]

@@istsoft1 If that turns out to be the case then maybe I will just quit the game completely.

[@istsoft1]

@@JaxDK also if you facing tanos decks just watch how their reality stone change loc to their favor or you to lose

[@geraltriviyski7577]

I am amazed how in the game community there are still those players who do not understand that there are bots in the game, and that bots there are very, very many.

[@diemyfriend]

That's like being amazed that there are people that don't speak English. Kinda stupid if you ask me.

[@kotbegemot4223]

​@@diemyfriend there is actually talking about players who have been playing for a long time, but still do not believe in bots

[@diemyfriend]

@@kotbegemot4223 that is definitely not what they said lmao

[@DaveVonDooom]

Ok i knew there were bots in this game, but "cheating" bots that know your moves before they move 😮 i thought they were just luckier than i was lol Love the content btw 😃

[@dreimann]

Bots have a tough time with end of game effects. So it's not just Invisible Woman, but also Dracula, Mysterio, Captain Marvel, etc. IE: the bots will always consider Dracula and Mysterio as 0 power in their calculations.

[@ninaisnoob]

That used to be true, not anymore. They can see it on the last turn!

[@dreimann]

@@ninaisnoob - you play way more than I do, so I'll take your word for it! A shame though; Dracula used to be my go-to for bot pockets.

[@ninaisnoob]

@@dreimann they still can’t see it on earlier turns so you can use that to your advantage when it comes to snapping.

[@erghstragh761]

Cool vid, nice tipps now just got to learn how to spot them.

[@ReigoVassal]

I feel like once you're on pool 3, or at certain CL, the bots stop using Elektra and mantis.

[@Froggyquack]

Makes sense that I often lose at a 50/50% chance of winning.

[@nightfall3883]

_"free cubes in lvl 60 70"_ here i am stuck in 59 through 61. playing destroy deck and suddenly bot play Knull turn 6 even though they didn't play a single destroy card. 10/10 I don't believe they just can see what our decks are, i believe they can also *_"summon"_* cards they desire.

[@viego506]

They can see your deck your hand and your play too that's why I left

[@thetasworld]

2:40 Bots when playing Daredevil: 🙈 4:28 Bots when pressing "Retreat Later" : 👻

[@leCuttlefish]

me realizing that I have a lot in common with bots: "Maybe I am a bot"

[@blitzcrank1343]

Is it so difficult for you to admit that 80% of the game is bots and you decided to justify it this way?

[@leCuttlefish]

@@blitzcrank1343 What are you talking about?

[@Eric-2000]

@@leCuttlefish🤷🏽‍♂️

[@synthastro]

Really helpful thank you Nina!

[@Mucha_Hawlucha]

You promised, and you delivered! Nice vid!

[@Lucky_Black_Cat420]

Holy crap, I have been playing a lot of bots

[@HandrickDrawson]

This is the best thumbnail of all time! ALL TIME!!

[@andres201292]

I hate it when bots make terrible plays in the first turns, you confidently snap and miraculously on turns 5 and 6 they pull out a casino rng that makes you lose. It's the worst 😩

[@MisterCasket]

Exactly this! "Oh stupid bot Thanks for the 8 cubes!" Ehm, what just happened?

[@pheckeht]

Lol your face on Fred is a gift from above.

[@Alex-zi1nb]

Idk why they even hide the bots. Just label it bot…and don’t have them cheat. Have them basically be Agatha/ego

[@superhetoric]

they're there to shorten queue times but also create artificial difficulty (in both directions)

[@jaycolins2430]

OMG... absolute top-tier thumbnail 👌🏾

[@marvinottley14]

Thank you Love the channel these pesky bots always giving me problems

[@a-cygnus]

When you figure out the player you considered your rival is just a bot..

[@kotbegemot4223]

Ben: there will be no bots in the conquest. Bot in conquest: throws a rock under Kang on turn 6. Ben Brode lied to everyone that there would be no bots in conquest mode 🤦‍♂️

[@ninaisnoob]

They admitted there were bots in Conquest, I don't think I've seen one recently! Although if your queue time is VERY long you might get one.

[@kotbegemot4223]

​​@@ninaisnoob then why was it necessary to lie that there would be no bots in conquest? I meet bots there in 70-80% of games in conquest. they are easy to identify by nickname, ideal locations and cards and by splits without effects or skins without frames

[@evieshmeeps]

Thank you for preparing us for overthrowing our future bot overlords 😬😭🤖

[@Fububoo]

I believe the bots cards change when you snap 😂

[@witsend177]

your no noob...thanks for great advice

[@xionelectra]

I’ve suspected I’ve been playing bots, but now I know for certain

[@dcmtons669]

Nina is our bot slayer 😊Thank you for the information, but if you have a video of your bot plays it would be helpful.

[@joshlotus2299]

Thank you, Nina ❤

[@broomob]

the amount of bots in the 70s/80s is wild this week

[@FivesMC]

I literally just got Zabu for my Loki deck, only for a bot to play nothing for the first 2 turns and then on turn three play rogue to steal the effect

[@innerchimp9783]

Great video. Much appreciated ❤

[@glorpfan12345]

For anyone else when the bot plays cards, (at least for me) they seem to be revealed much quicker for no reason

[@AngryShooter]

And all this time I thought I was just extremely unlucky with the match making

[@CoryyJ]

Great video, learned some things

[@bassetlab]

Great video! Thank you!

[@ercanna8]

*Nynonroad Al*, enters the chat room

[@twistedlogic182]

Living tribunal farms bots like crazy. Not Hela tribunal, just the standard version. Much more consistent for bots and regular players. I love when they cosmo on my invis woman snap n get crushed 😆.

[@MasterKynar]

BEST THUMBNAIL EVER! 😂

[@TCGMetalZ]

Really enjoy your efforts in providing quality content

[@NoGoodPlays]

Crazy that the new infinite system didn't change this at all. I play even a higher ratio of bots in infinite than I did during my climb.

[@ninaisnoob]

I haven't faced any bots in infinite? 😐

[@NoGoodPlays]

@@ninaisnoob I live in a small market and typically play later at night but it's like yeah 1-2am no queue time and all the tell-tale signs in your vid. Just my anecdotal experience but it's a bummer as someone who just wants to play real games.

[@adamn7777]

Just after watching this I ran into a cheating bot thanks for the explanation. Make that twice. Once was a nonsense name and the other played Captain America into death's domainand moved nightcrawler to some other location. I'm in the mid 80s right now and seeing this kind of predictable behavior.

[@ninaisnoob]

Yep, typical bot behaviour - all because they're trying to gain initiative in 2 locations!

[@sannyv3st]

I lost an ugly 8 cubes to a bot because it had 2 juggernauts 😅 one in deck and one from location. I was so confident…. Hahaha hard burn!

[@ooflord702]

I was wondering how so many players were able to accurately counter almost every play I made. And those that play so poorly in the beginning few rounds, only to pull the right cards out their ass .

[@bos621]

So we need to dump powers on last turn while losing initiative. Do you think Discard + Ghost would win vs bot?

[@ninaisnoob]

Hela Discard could work but if they have a Cosmo it's game over because, unlike a human opponent, they will always know where you place your Hela.

[@MurphysLaw71]

I’ve also noticed I can play 60 games with an Evo deck and not see a single enchantress or rouge. As soon as I switch to my tribunal deck all my opponents have one of them or both 🤔

[@ResolvedRage]

I hate the players who use bot names to trick you into hard commiting and then they fistbump you at the end, fuck you for having no honor and pretending to be a bot.

[@bobenskwizen9196]

I didn't know there where cheating bots. I know better understand why sometimes the opponent plays the very only one card that can beat me in the very specific location.

[@KillRideMasterJ]

C2!!! I hit infinite with C2 last season and it did seem like alot more janky competition snapping on turn 5-6 and i just cerebro/mystique unload and win. It DID seem like the opponent should have known. But a good chunk of them not even being human makes sense

[@shfej]

me: *plays bad* enemy: this player must be bot me: *sadge pepega crying noise*

[@noonehitwonder]

You’re amazing. Thank you!

[@GrossAnimeTrash]

I just got a really nice Ultron Variant so thank you for the Patriot list. Time to crush the bots for the old red white and blue❤❤❤

[@daveb305]

Thanks Nina!

[@ill4683]

I’m done with this game I grinded for 4 hours got to 99 6/7 cubes fast forawars another 3 hours and now I’m back down to 93 rank I haven’t won a game in over 20 matches so frustrated I’m just done

[@mex321]

Whaaaattt this just makes me think everyone i play is a bot! Most of the things in the video is what i play against 9/10 times lol.

[@butterfly17095]

Well this explains why last season I struggled to get higher than rank 63 🙄 maybe now this season I can at least get to 70

[@Raddkann]

these bots are so incredibly annoying

[@VegardMyklebust]

There is no guaranteed way to for sure always tell wether it's a bot or not, except for probably the snapping reasons at 3:10. You don't know who you play against, you don't know how new to the game they are, not every single player knows the metas, counter and synergies, and some off those that do, don't even follow them and play their own decks. Their name is not a good reason for it being a bot, because you can name yourself anything you want, and people are strange. Some people just use their own name, and some might be a very big fan of a certain marvel character and therefore feel cool if they name themselves after the character. Some people really do just use a random combination of characters because they want to be unique. Avatar is another stupid reason. You don't know their favorite character. If their favorite character only have the base variant, then they will use that. Also a new player only have access to the base avatars, so they HAVE to use it until further notice. Their decks is also not a good reason. You don't know which cards they have. Maybe the player just don't have anything they think is good. "like playing falcon when they don't have any 1-cost cards on board" yeah, maybe they forgot to add anything, or just don't have anything good to play, so they just do something. "if you play destroy decks, they will have armor" of course, i will have one too, just so i can stop the destroy decks as much as possible! And destroy decks are genuinly easy to predicted where you will play cards. An opponent that always try to be ahead in two locations is neither a good reason. I try to do that too. I would always do it if i had the right cards to be able to, because i actually want a chance to win. Staying behind on locations is a hinderance. The opponent discarding very good cards, for example Dracula, is not a good reason either, because thay could still have Hela in their deck, which would revive Dracula in a random location. Playing a card into darkworld is not a good reason either. There are some very good cards that are very good to play there: Nova, deadpool, wolverine, x-23, storm, scarlet witch and colossus, just to name some for the top of my head. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying bots don't exist, or that i haven't encountered one, i have seen a lot of strange plays that doesn't make a lot of sense. And sure, all of these behaviors do make it a very high chance you're playing against a bot, but you can NEVER be absolutely certain! Final notice: don't try to explain something about quite the game and look in the files if the opponent named their deck, because bots don't name them. There is a bug that exist, that can give a name to their deck if there is none.

[@ninaisnoob]

wow thanks for the essay

[@VegardMyklebust]

@@ninaisnoob no problem! And thank you for your video essay. Just felt like i had to say something, because i'm sick of people saying things like "i played against this bot" and "there are good ways to for certain tell wether your opponent is a bot or not"

[@istsoft1]

@@ninaisnoob lol yea i didnt read that too

[@docblake599]

This sounds like the old days when I played online poker on America cardroom and Bovada.

[@___l._]

Idk if works for everyone but if I play at 3-4am I almost guaranteed get bot enemies 70 to 80% of the lobbies, I used it last season to get easy infinity and this season I tried to not abuse so much bc it ends up ruining the fun of ladder, last season I jumped from rank 80 to infinity in one late night and only a few 8 cubes wins from bots. A good deck is shuri kitty bc of the explosive 6 turn with vision 16 power followed by taskmaster and kitty, if you do it correctly and focus all the power in one loc until 6 is a guarantee win of 8 cubes

[@luca201411]

Just a question: is it worth to play a bot counter deck? I mean… yeah, every now and then you can face a bot, but they don’t seem to be so meta-breakers to build decks around them… The worst that can happen is that they retreat and you win a cube.

[@loganbostelmann8729]

I almost never face bots in ranked lol. Idk if its where I live or something but every game I play my opponents have meta decks and use emotes lol. Im suprised this is an issue

[@ninaisnoob]

the emote thing is weird! bots didn't use to be able to emote but some people have told me they have been emoted by bots

[@samuelfoston4556]

They defo emote. They starting fist bumping at the end of the match… maybe to try and counter the negative emotional impact to the player from being cheated… or just to cause more frustration as they know that’s a psychological trick to entice spending.

[@santiagovidelaleiva]

I too pretty much never face bots, I may face one every 100 games or if a lose 4 games in a row. I just find it weird how for many people way better or way worst than me, face constant bots. My only theory is that the collection levels still somewhat relevant for matchmaking, and I'm paired with many people that are at my same collection level and are also progressing at a similar rate than me. Im just a little envious, for me is a days worth struggle to climb from 84 to 85.