Checking on my Investment in Person - Framework Laptop Factory Tour

[@posarkar5314]

its so great to see huge companies boosting small channels like Linus

[@JJFlores197]

🤣🤣

[@bhoot1702]

Huh

[@novalassassin5496]

​@@phant0m597i mean that pretty big but that's not the point 😅

[@novalassassin5496]

@@L2002 Ok I just grew up what now ?

[@vmafarah9473]

@@L2002 yOU point will be big if you have a great genetics.

[@nepp-]

if companies were more open like this, I'm sure their brand trust would be much better

[@inadequateusername7280]

This assembly line is no different than any other laptop assembly line. A company like Dell likely has their own due to vertical integration and such. There's only so many ways you can build a laptop.

[@zacharytaylor8523]

@@inadequateusername7280 I swear there is a certain attitude that comes out of certain people when others ask about having a compony open up a little. While I would agree there are only so many ways to make something, it's the little things that can make a big difference in what users experience and the companies that are venomously against any type of peek into their process I guarantee you has shit to hide. I know Dell does as they shipped me a laptop that flat-out didn't have the Wi-Fi antennas connected.

[@Jehty_]

What do you mean? Like seriously... We didn't see anything in this video. You will find a video of this depth for basically every major brand.

[@Wither_Strike]

​@@Jehty_I saw more in this video than I've seen from Dell or apple. Most of it was stuff that seemed like common sense, only so many ways to build a laptop, but the fact that they showed this much is still more than other companies

[@inadequateusername7280]

@@Wither_Strike have you never seen Foxconn building an iPhone?

[@boysenbeary]

Honestly loving these “Linus checks out something he wants” kinda videos

[@mickolesmana5899]

Yeah, it is happy to see that when Linus putting off the burden of him being CEO. Honestly it is very fresh to see

[@Eogos]

@@mickolesmana5899 pretty sure he said on the WAN show that all these so far are filmed while he's still been doing CEO work, a few before the decision was even fully decided and/or announced.

[@KarlRock]

These behind the scenes video are awesome.

[@theshivrajroy]

our indian pewdiepie is here lmao

[@liberationyogi]

What's up I love u

[@ls200076]

True

[@Chhn000]

Big fan of your videos mate

[@Don_Kiddick]

@@theshivrajroy holy shit im ded

[@MrScorpianwarrior]

I just realized that Linus only funded around $200,000 to Framework, but the marketing that Framework gets out of videos like this has got to be INSANELY high. I have 4 laptops I don't use (of various ages and power) but I still really want to buy a Framework...

[@MrMoon-hy6pn]

I'm not saying you can't, but doesn't buying something you won't use go against frameworks entire philosophy of reducing waste?

[@MrScorpianwarrior]

@@MrMoon-hy6pn It certainly does lol

[@wilddemur9796]

@@MrMoon-hy6pn Well if he does get a Framework he won't need to hop from laptop to laptop anymore since it can be upgraded over time

[@theangryintern]

I have a brand new M2 MBP and an Asus windows gaming laptop I bought last year and I still really want to get the 16" framework when it comes out.

[@veerand541]

I think it was specified in an early Framework video that his marketing power is why they chose him instead some other investors.

[@SDMasterYoda]

So the DIY one is actually more labor intensive, but they still charge less for it. Crazy!

[@GSBarlev]

Yeah, that surprised me. I'm not sure if that's just because they're still in the pre-production phase or if the lower cost is due to some other factor (like VAT savings or some regulatory loophole).

[@matthewlozy1140]

Very surprising!

[@Farquad76.547]

Yeah how Damn stupid is that lol

[@gregor2436]

I don't understand, why they are doing it that way. Why not only ship the stuff directly?

[@Amythiz]

@@gregor2436how would they test it than? DIY laptop should still pass quality control

[@telotawa]

I absolutely would buy the ones that don't pass the visual QA. Please, Framework, make that an option. Edit: I don't even want the discount. I'll pay full price.

[@KevinCrouch0]

Honestly, I don't know if it would actually be worth it to cost less though. Because it would require manual time to inventory the blemishes, you know?

[@lightningdev1]

@@KevinCrouch0 The DIY version is also marginally cheaper than the pre-built while it also requires more labor though

[@brentw8365]

Thought they sold refurb units with these, but apparently not.

[@harmonic5107]

Absolutely. That'd be awesome. Having the option to buy damaged parts from returns would be awesome too

[@ronkorn8454]

I mean, would you really need to inventory each individual blemish? Palmetto State Armory sells blems under a generalized blem listing and they just ship you whatever is in the blem inventory. The system seems to work pretty well.

[@Call_Me_David]

I can just imagine the conversations Nirav has with his s.o. when he gets home and vents about the stressful things Linus put him through that particular time. He seems to be a good sport about it and takes it on stride, but you can still tell he gets a little nervous. It is fun to watch though, and that's precisely why Linus does it.

[@Quizack]

He has a lot riding on this company. His entire career hinges on the success of Framework, and he needs to be able to focus on and control and every aspect of the company that he possibly can. He can’t afford any bad publicity, or controversy. Linus is a great dude, and is clearly very passionate about Framework, but we all know he’s not a very mature and careful guy. However, Linus definitely has a very large audience too, so any videos on Framework can potentially mean thousands of dollars in new customers, or at the very least tens of thousands new potential customers and the brand awareness. IMO, Nirav knows what he’s getting with Linus, and as much as he appreciates it, he’s also rightfully anxious. If it wasn’t for LTT I wouldn’t have known about Framework and bought one myself. Looking forward to Q4!

[@hiddendrifts]

@@Quizack i honestly forget where i first heard of framework, but it definitely wasn't from linus. it was super cool, just like frore, to see a big tech channel talking about a product i'd only vaguely heard of initially [in the case of frore, from PC World]

[@Gatorade69]

@@Quizack I mean I only know of Framework because of LTT. While I don't currently have the need for a laptop but if I did I would instantly be a customer of Framework.

[@weirdovillemania9978]

Nirav is sexy

[@Call_Me_David]

@@theftking I figured that was already assumed by everyone.

[@Ixxlostinabox]

Nirav seems like such a cool dude, I really hope Framework is successful not just because I think it's a great idea but I also think Nirav deserves the success based on his overall vision, we need more people pushing for cool sustainable ideas like this.

[@Groaznicul]

As a manufacturing engineer I can appreciate the small design changes to facilitate the installation and improve takt time. You can definitely tell the process is not optimised for full production and there are a lot of tweeks that can be done. I would love to see more content like this! Especially related to your products or even LTT labs processes.

[@gorillafighter4037]

I love how friendly the CEO is and basically humors Linus' Shenaningans/jokes.

[@Tsuroerusu]

And throws in some sick burns when needed! xD

[@baseballjustin5]

Helps he paid a Quarter Mill, I think, lol

[@muddystick]

Dude is a significant shareholder, businesses will do whatever they can to humour shareholders.

[@baseballjustin5]

@Dale did he get shares, or did he just invest?

[@gabm.3475]

​@baseballjustin5 what do you mean by get shares or just invest? Buying shares = investing. In the case of framework it's not publicly traded so only certified investors (aka people who are rich enough to face the higher risk of losing when investing in risky companies)can buy shares so I guess it's more complicated then just buying shares but I'm a little confused by your question.

[@AgentOrange96]

The fact that the Framework uses screws to hold the keyboard together is very telling. Normally those get riveted together, but I guess when your end goal is repairability, that goes out the window. God, I can't wait to get one of these machines!

[@TheBackyardChemist]

Riveted? Bah, I wish. They are mostly heat-staked.

[@blockbertus]

@@TheBackyardChemist which is the plastic version of a metal rivet. same but different.

[@AgentOrange96]

@@blockbertus @TheBackyardChemist True. This is what I meant, but I suppose real riveting would at least make it easy to drill out and replace.

[@blockbertus]

@@sys-administrator you have loctite for that on screws. thats the blue stuff you sometimes see on Laptop screws.

[@AgentOrange96]

@@sys-administrator In theory. The Model M keyboard is a counterexample though. But most laptops won't be used that long and honestly even then I doubt they're as likely to have that issue as the Model M.

[@BadMax02_VR]

Framework is actually the first laptop brand where i am legit excited to see what comes next, either a LTT video or like the 16" modular keyboard laptop or what ever they come up with next. My next Laptop is definitly going to be a Framework when they finally get a dedicated gpu inside of them, also wouldnt it be funny if they tried making a laptop with desktop chips so that you can swap the cpus? :p (tho that would probably be really hard to implement well with long battery live, good and little powerconsuption and stuff like that)

[@artdeell]

To be fair, you probably can engineer a socket for the Intel's laptop BGA SoCs, but i doubt it will work well, and would probably be a huge complications in terms of the BIOS and such

[@lucianobestia]

There are professionals that would love desktop performance in a thick laptop. And they dont care about battery. It is for office and home use only, but portable.

[@wuokawuoka]

As an avid trackpoint user, I'd really love to see such a part. But in actual fact I'm looking forward to the GPU option(s) more. Including buying the 16" model first, then buy a GPU later.

[@IsM1ku]

A lot of people have cases where they need a portable computer but don't really have a need for a battery, for example kids living in multiple parents' houses (or just visiting grandma on the weekend), or perhaps bringing your own machine to work

[@bocahdongo7769]

@@artdeell Better. There's already a LGA1200 laptop in 2023 Albeit it's really chonk gaming laptop, and the performance is just suck, and some questionable firmware, so never expect K processor there. But hey, it's 600 USD

[@hyperion8650]

Honestly the framework videos are super entertaining to watch. Framework succeeding as a brand is one of the best things for modern technology, since it has the potential to make other brands follow it's example and overall be better for the consumer. Also, the idea of giving little hints to the consumers inside of their pc's (on a laptop that's all modular) is pretty amazing!

[@autohmae]

They are the Fairphone of laptops

[@jonathannoneofyourbusiness4123]

Few months after my purchase of a framework and I frankly have no regrets. Like Linus, I really hope framework is successful... We need more repairable laptops and laptops built for linux. :)

[@bionicgeekgrrl]

We need more repairable technology in general. We need to move away from the disposable culture that has developed.

[@WildMidwest1]

Agreed. Out of curiosity, which linux distro did you settle on? Did you struggle with drivers, for instance involving the fingerprint sensor? How reliably is suspend mode? I have an HP Dev One (AMD Ryzen 7) with three linux distros currently installed. I never needed to install a driver for any of the 10+ distros I tried, and I never experienced a sleep issue with any of them. Sadly the Dev One line was EOL’ed by HP in January, so it’s not a Frame competitor anymore. I love the Dev One fit and finish. Some people complain about its screen viewing angle but it doesn’t bother me. 64 gb RAM and 2 TB SSD upgrades were a breeze… around five minutes after doing it a couple times. My latest Dev One upgrade is a 1.5 mm copper heatsink to the SSD, which it definitely helps attenuate temp fluctuations. Good value for < $5 shipped. Using the thinnest available contact adhesive strip to the controller chip was necessary to avoid pressure against the bottom case.. Can you add a heatsink to the SSD inside your Framework 13?

[@Adriono100]

Never thought I would watch 15 minutes of a small company making such great laptops 👌

[@Soul-Burn]

Factory tours are the best! Linus' trip to Intel's fab was super interesting. GN just did a tour of AMD, which was also cool to see.

[@Scnottaken]

I had to keep repeating to myself "I don't need it"

[@drewo.127]

@@Scnottaken Face it dude… YOU NEEEEEED IIIIIIIIIIT!!!!

[@FaZekiller-qe3uf]

@@ScnottakenI NEEEEEEEEEEED IT.

[@TvMaNightmareHD]

The scratch and dent ones could totally be sponsored by Dbrand, make it pretty and easy sale

[@TheUnlocked]

Linus walking into the board room and talking to the camera while other people are having discussions in the background was hilarious. I'm sure they were primed for it (e.g. "we're going to film here, act like you're talking about important stuff"), but still.

[@Gatsu563]

I think that might be him acting in front of a green screen on this one, given the absence of reaction of EVERYONE in the room.

[@jkahgdkjhafgsd]

yeah obvious greenscreen lol, still funny to just show up and be filming though

[@meqativ]

it isn't a greenscreen bruh, look at the hair..

[@theneonbop]

@@Gatsu563 lol its a handheld camera, I doubt they have one of those expensive camera rigs you need to green screen a handheld camera

[@AarPlays]

​@@Gatsu563 yes, this is exactly what priming DOES. "Hey we'll be walking in and filming, please don't react or look at the camera. It's distracting for the viewer"

[@matasa7463]

Framework's CEO Nirav is quite good on camera, moreso than many CEOs out there! It's almost like he has a ton of experience in front of a camera...

[@PrograError]

I think knowing Linus is an investor force him to be out of the shell.... plus you need to be of certain skin to be CEO

[@whatever1538]

I think I remember seeing him in an video on P-hub, that explains it.

[@Henrix1998]

​@@PrograError you need certain skin to be with Linus

[@leonro]

@@whatever1538 false, nobody remembers the guy on cornhub unless he's bald, muscular, a sinner, and starts out by just doing his job

[@uwuclxdy]

@@Henrix1998 we didnt forget xddd

[@Chrismettal]

Love the transparency! Nothing better than factory tours showing the actual processes in place.

[@199Bubi]

I work in a low volume, flexible production, company that manufactures electronics in Germany and I have the urge to optimize. Also @Linus: Especially with super varying products a faster line isn't always better! A slower production that keeps inventory small and only produces what's demanded can yield way better results! Also scalability as in multiplying lines is only good if you already have like 20 lines. Otherwise you have to double sales for it to make sense to double the lines for example from one to two

[@tams805]

I mean, they're using Compel as the ODM. They aren't exactly a small company.

[@199Bubi]

@@tams805 To clarify: Low volume goods manufacturing doesn't equal small company. It means high variation manufacturing with a lot of manual labour, which is expensive and should therefore be optimized as much as possible.

[@rodrigoaranda7029]

keeps you flexible enough

[@alexanderf8451]

Framework should absolutely have an "ugly vegetable" type of option for units with scratches. There are plenty of people who don't care about every square millimeter of the finish being perfect.

[@urmomsahoe1]

I was thinking 2 or 3 different categories for different levels of damaged to make selling easier. No specific pictures just a general idea of what will be wrong with it.

[@demospolsion6539]

@@urmomsahoe1Also maybe a little 1-2 sentences saying the type of damage and location. Like “scratch on bottom panel” or “dent on top panel”

[@greebj]

That's what the second hand market is for lol

[@yokun1885]

​@@greebjsecond hand implies that someone already used the product the first time

[@quantumsniper9433]

​@@urmomsahoe1 Usually for this kind of stuff you'd sell "B-stock", A stock being normal units that passed qc while B stock has minor cosmetic issues

[@Volvith]

Linus: "I'm gonna stop being a CEO." Everyone: _"Oh no!"_ Linus: "To do more cool stuff, and show you guys more cool stuff." Everyone and the Koolaid man: *_"Oh yeah!"_*

[@trignite]

This video was definetely filmed before the 2nd of june. it was when computex was on as shown at the start. So this video is not a result of linus stepping down.. he did that after.

[@iletyoucallmestevesy]

@@trignite Watch out everyone. Fun police are here

[@FirestormX9]

@@iletyoucallmestevesy my alcohol drink turned to water soon as i read that comment

[@iletyoucallmestevesy]

@@FirestormX9 oh snap we got a reverse Jesus here too?! Everybody scatter!

[@benblarney]

​@@FirestormX9lol they sure be killing the fun

[@stanimirnikolov159]

It's cool they let Linus and his team film there, by default those assembly environments are tightly controlled and you have to follow set protocols to minimise contamination.

[@Pixelplanet5]

this is not a clean room though so the risk is minimal that 2 people filming there make any difference.

[@ScarfmonsterWR]

It's a laptop they sell as a kit for customer to assemble. I don't think contamination is of any worry here.

[@San4311]

@@ScarfmonsterWR Not all of them are kits. They sell them pre-built too, which Linus did clarify in the video. Only a portion of them get disassembled after QA.

[@IgorEngelen1974]

Guess I'd do exactly the same. Being open to customers can only become an advantage.

[@ScarfmonsterWR]

@@San4311 I never said they don't sell assembled

[@captainpumpkinhead1512]

In the three Framework videos we've gotten so far where Nirav has been present, it's been fun kind of watching the dynamic between him and Linus. I'm not sure how to describe it, it's just fun. It's like the energetic friend and the quiet friend dynamic.

[@DctrGizmo]

It’s really nice to see a CEO this chill as Linus! The tour was pretty cool and it seems like Framework cares a lot about quality. Let’s just hope they increase their production line soon after this.

[@TheBorhork]

If they did a scratch and dent sale as a blind box style, that would be cool. My laptops tend to get thrashed over time anyway, so getting one new for a few bucks off that might have a scratch, I'm on board with that.

[@qpSubZeroqp]

Yeah, same here

[@PrograError]

I wonder how the warranty would be for those...

[@GSBarlev]

​@@PrograError If it's cosmetic imperfections only it really shouldn't matter. As production ramps up I also imagine that they'll end up with a stock of returns and factory refurbs to supplement the small volume of production-line oopsies.

[@victorhugofranciscon7899]

​@@PrograErrorwarranty for the internals about the external only the functional parts

[@TheBorhork]

@@PrograError I'm sure if it really came down to it, they can make a special version of the warranty that excludes cosmetic defects as a point. In theory, they could just take a picture of each unit along with its serial number before it ships so that way they know if it was damage from shipping, or pre-existing damage. Sure, it might take a little bit of extra time to process all of that, but if it means selling otherwise unsellable units, it could be worth it long-term.

[@albuslee4831]

Just the publishing budget saved by partnering with Linus seems huge for Frameworks, ignoring any of the money Linus invested into Frameworks. Even though Frameworks laptops are good enough to be surfaced by itself without any help, it might have took much more time to be well known to the general public without the partnership with Linus.

[@nakulbaliga]

Yes, correct. Also I don't think Linus is only $224k deep into Frameworks, must've been atleast a mil by now. These laptop manufacturers even though small, need huge amounts upfront to get started and build custom lines for companies like Frameworks.

[@cookiemon420]

​@@nakulbaligaHe is one of the smallest investors

[@Gkokkinakis2]

​@@nakulbaligathey have other investors

[@Padgriffin]

Honestly I agree- Linus has made it clear that he himself has very little to do with Framework’s actual development, but we’re okay with that. Linus’s brand is a massive asset and being associated with him and having him as a public-facing partner is a massive boon.

[@brucepreston3927]

​@@Padgriffin Yeah I'm sure Linus promoting Framework on LTT was part of the deal...It's kind of a win-win for both of them...Linus gets videos out of it and if the videos help sell more laptops then he makes more money that way also...

[@Deja117]

It's a win win scenario here... Linus's channel can drive sales, and that will make his investment better. I do fully support what this company is doing though. About time this happened, a laptop is essentially a desktop with innovative cooling solutions for a small space after all, at least in my mind it is... And yes, of course power limiting etc is also a thing to consider.

[@bionicgeekgrrl]

To linus the company mission is more important than the money he's invested. Realistically he's a fairly small investor, but one with a pretty good reach which framework would be fools to ignore.

[@corail53]

@@bionicgeekgrrl Linus is in it for the money, always has been.

[@NoVisionGuy]

@@corail53 lol you make it sound like he shouldn't make money and give charity to framework instead

[@mistapitts]

The volume and quality of videos being uploaded recently is so fkin impressive... Good job getting it all to here, Linus! And the rest of the team ofcourse

[@muddystick]

Seeing the DIY station really takes away the magic on a build your own laptop.

[@Torbox1]

The fact that they are modular I would also imagine helps a lot with reducing production waste. If a normal fully integrated MoBo with RAM and SSD failed because one RAM chip or the SSD was faulty I don't imagine most manufacturers would de-solder the faulty component to try and save the board, but with Framework they easily just swap out the faulty component and retest the system. Awesome!!

[@TheMarshalOfLeague]

I have so much trust in Linus's opinion it's kind of scary. His transparency is so transparent I forget that he has personal stake in this sometimes!

[@GonzoPandora69420]

I wish there were more journalists like Linus in the modern era.

[@ob9444]

@@GonzoPandora69420 we definitely need more media like Linus and friendlyjordies.

[@Gpeagasus246]

@@ob9444 who's friendlyjordies? do they also cover tech?

[@dabearsfan9]

@@Gpeagasus246 no he’s an Australian reporter who digs deep into the corruption of the government and stuff

[@Gpeagasus246]

@@dabearsfan9 oh okay. very cool

[@matthewlozy1140]

I'm surprised to see the DIY editions get disassembled at the end, but that totally makes sense for quality control. The more you think about it the more surprising it is as thr DIY edition is cheaper.

[@GRBtutorials]

Well, the prebuilt comes with a Windows license, and Microsoft products aren’t known for being affordable.

[@WilliamOwyong]

It's great seeing Linus being like a kid in a candy store, with Nirav being the ever-watchful parent :)

[@malyck]

Ingenious video. Not only did they get an amazing video out of this. They probably bumped up the sales for the company, and their investment. I wouldn't be surprised if framework gave Linus some extra shares for this. I would 😂

[@JeffGeerling]

Press F to pay respects for the editor who had to blur everything

[@MikeMaragni]

the framework ceo is always a top performer when he's on video lol

[@alan_7390]

He's so chill

[@FrameworkComputer]

Thanks!

[@Idk-w9n9o]

​@@FrameworkComputeroh wow, it's the actual channel

[@KevwePatani]

@@FrameworkComputer Keep up the good work!

[@Bulldawzer]

@@alan_7390 He's just letting Linus cook himself into an additional $2m investment.

[@RyuuBaka]

Can we just mention how the Framework CEO actually seems like he cares about the product and what he is doing?

[@sirgavalot]

I like straight man/funny man interplay between him and Linus in all the videos they're in together

[@bionicgeekgrrl]

I suspect that will be a rather large factor in linus investment decision. The mission of framework is one linus wants to ideally become the industry standard or as close as possible. So more ltt viewers buying framework laptops potentially could lead to other brands following their lead to try and leverage that appeal.

[@JohnDoe-uq2qd]

Most CEOs do, otherwise they wouldn't be very good at their job

[@Dodger24]

That's usually how all company founders are. If the company ever changes CEO's, then that's usually when the company starts caring more about profits than products or customers

[@Errcyco]

That’s a CEO you want, excited and talented.

[@jessechristman1471]

I can already feel the tension melting off of Linus after he announced hes stepping down from CEO. His content is going to be so much more enjoyable now that he gets to be excited about the things he actually wants to do

[@c2thew]

Genuinely excited to see how framework grows as a company. It’s such a unique concept. It’s going to be tough to dethrone legacy manufacturers especially when apple is becoming more and more efficient in its m2 chip production but still ignores the gaming community

[@gerthddyn]

Framework is what makes me excited about mobile computing again. Them and how steam has approached the Steamdeck make me hope that the trends that Apple started with the Macbook Air aren't the only trajectory endpoint. I've been waiting for the Ryzen models to ship, but you showing us that you can replace the intel motherboard with a ryzen one really thrilled me.

[@-Blue-_]

Apple is garbage company now with there cult followers called "isheeps"

[@KangoV]

This is awesome. I designed and wrote an MES (Manufacturing Execution System) for a large US electronics manufacturer who is the leader in surround sound (guess who?). This brings back so many good memories. I could sit and watch the pick and place machines all day, but it was the Scorpion Flying Probe Tester that really blew my mind.

[@kaukospots]

No highs, no lows? I think my favorite assembly factory video is the one for the Steam controller, but it's great to see more of this kind of stuff up close

[@allentchang]

Did your MES system include manufacturing lot hold and release?

[@danielalexander8402]

As a factory worker videos like this help make me feel valid. Thank you for making content like this.

[@corican]

Thank you for your service. O7

[@Respectable_Username]

Love hearing about how Framework's going! I've got my little Framework laptop sitting beside me here on the couch, still going strong. Love to see the business growing; gives me confidence it'll be around for long enough for me to upgrade parts!

[@TmanT321]

I think the respect that linus and nirav have for each other is definitely evident. Nirav knows where linus started, and knows where he is now. Linus knows where nirav is starting, and knows where he can go. I love this partnership, and I have been asking for years where my fully modular laptop and smartphone are? These two are going to pioneer that if they work together and work hard enough. Big ups to you both, and good luck.

[@PyromancerRift]

So many factory tours are poping on all the tech channels right now. It's so cool.

[@Grumbo91]

That was so cool. It surprised me how manual and skilled it all is, I'm not exactly sure what I expected but probably something more akin to a car assembly line with robot arms and conveyor belts doing everything.

[@kryzernnn]

Dang. These laptops are absolutely insane! Their founder is such a nice guy; he actually knows every nook and cranny of his company! EDIT: Wow! I have more likes than subs :D

[@FlyboyHelosim]

Not really.

[@matteventu]

Well he's not just "a CEO" like HP's one or Lenovo's one, he's also the actual founder.

[@coldbreezeproductions]

what is the appeal to this? just don't see it being profitable in the long run...

[@Mutteron]

​@@FlyboyHelosim0:22 😅😮y😢

[@Mutteron]

52s🎉?2

[@JackJackDaBest]

I love how you’re the Bill Nye of tech youtubers. I basically learned all my tech knowledge from you.

[@vinigt]

all laptops should be like frameworks... nice job guys

[@nehalmathew7510]

The systems with scratches and stuff should be categorised into groups/tiers depending on the severity of the damage. Then it can be sold for a discount depending on the tier.

[@Applekendee]

​​​@@56kwith200pingve worked on a PCB manufacturing as an engineer, I gotta tell you they are throwing away millions of dollars because it has a visual defect such as scratch and dent. Either we are using ISO standard or most of the time customer requirements which is absurd. ISO should control these companies because it has no impact on the functionality of the board.

[@guitarsolos89]

​@@56kwith200pingBut you still need to follow the standard of selling mint condition products. If brand new is just whatever and products could have dents etc, the standard would just get worse and worse over time. I'm thankful quality controls are these strict.

[@MuitoDaora]

@@guitarsolos89 So Teslas then

[@Daunlouded]

That is literally what they said on the video.

[@kidShibuya]

Except that classifying and making extra sales channels all costs money, which pushes the prices of these 'cheaper' laptops back up.

[@AnthonyRBlacker]

It's interesting to see when the machine is installing the screws on the keyboard (all 80 of them!! wow) it's similar to installing a head onto an engine block. You have to put in the bolts (screws same thing) in a specific order and tighten them to a very exact torque specification or it will do bad things like crack or leak or worse. That's pretty neat to see they actually consider all of these things in a silly thing you'd never expect, like a keyboard. Nice, and also that's a BIG part of where the comes from when you buy a newer generation of something, there's a LOT of Research and Development or R&D that goes into the initial design and pre manufacture. It's NOT cheap to start something new. Not even a little, ask Linus how much it cost him to release the Screwdriver that is friggin' awesome for any PC builder!!

[@KolbPROD]

I absolutely agree with the comparison to cars, I'm an auto tech who grew up building PCs, and it's surprisingly translateable

[@2nd3rd1st]

And THAT'S why God invented the electric motor.

[@Anna_Rae]

This is genuinely such a cool video. I love it when you go straight to the source where all this cool tech is made 💖💖💖

[@VladimirKostek]

This was really cool to see, i just released a video today on the framework 16 so have been researching the company and it's refreshing to see how they operate!

[@leftfootdown]

Just watched ur vid, the 16 is damn cool

[@meerkatairforce8182]

This is sick. I hope LTT gets to make more of this kind of content.

[@firecwby1999]

Thanks Linus, I already wanted a Framework laptop, but then you had to make me want one even more.

[@BlueW01f]

Fantastic to see this finally coming to fruition! Can't imagine how excited Linus is.

[@phenomanII]

13:50 This makes me wish I was able to invest myself. This right here is the number one reason I love LTTstore - the perfect attitude of "what we're doing seems silly, we need to change that".

[@ahmadmuraish1144]

Framework deserves to eat the entire market space. I wish you all the best. You are my favourite brand and you have earned my trust and loyalty. Can't wait for crazy gaming framework setups.

[@NewtHew]

As someone who works in Manufacturing (specifically, in QA) this video was really interesting! I’d be surprised if the dot gauge Linus referred to was used outside of process, though I suppose that depends on whether the housing for the laptop was sub-supplied (as opposed to manufactured in-house). Edit: though I didn’t consider secondary damage from the manufacturing process, in which case in depth fault analysis wouldn’t be applicable

[@valervan]

Glad to hear that Framework is going to supply the local Taiwan market. It's infuriating how a tons of products are made here or have head quarters here, yet you are not able to buy them locally.... Or with high price that actually results in the lrofuct being cheaper to order from japanese Amazon and inprot it to Taiwan.

[@piersonm5574]

I love how framework is getting more advertising than most sponsors

[@playonstation]

Imagine getting one of the five Laptop, not watching LTT and wondering: "Why are there ugly marks on my new device?"😂

[@SGCSmith]

Framework is great. I bought two as gifts to family members, and might buy the 16" model once it comes out for myself. I'm glad to see they're growing and expanding.

[@Raums]

I did not expect to eat my breakfast watching this ask the way through, great job folks, all the best for the future of what could be a game changing company!

[@sevenofzach]

Just think about how Linus will be like once we get videos (in about 1-3 months) from after he is actually done with being CEO. Gonna be a wild ride!

[@KyleClements]

I love the idea of an option for buying laptops that don't pass a visual inspection due to a cosmetic blemish but otherwise function to spec. Also, instant upvote to any video with Nirav.

[@kitsunekaze93]

oh no, the case is scratched! *covers with sticker* fixed!

[@Jehty_]

@@kitsunekaze93 *throw it in the backpack a few times and thereby add my own scratches.

[@dmr778810]

I'd have to agree with the one other comment I saw about the laptops that don't pass visual QA. One of my favorite things about them is that (I believe) they don't hurt cost too much, but consumers get a discount for those that "Would love to get one, but it's a bit too expensive." Not to mention, while I'd hate to be the one unknowingly getting a touched up chassis, if _I_ were to be the one touching it up, then I'd only have myself to blame if it didn't look bad.

[@carlsoll]

Love how much you’ve been involved in so many Videos Linus 😄 I know there’s much more to it, since you changed your Business around, it’s great still learning and having your input :)

[@KleinkMusic]

This is probably the most I've ever geeked out over a laptop in my life. I'm not in any sort of position to get a new laptop rn but when I am, Framework has my money.

[@memberberries7669]

As a member of the custom mechanical keyboard community seeing the station for the sole purpose for checking legends on the keyboard is AMAZING to see and GMK needs to follow suit, I WAITED 2 YEARS FOR MY KEYCAPS AND GOT TWO F3 KEYS AND NO F2 SMH.

[@Skyfalcon12345]

All these factory tours are the successors of "How it's made" and I am HERE for it.

[@SreenikethanI]

oh the memories… does that show still air?

[@kutter_ttl6786]

​@@SreenikethanI They still air reruns but the last season was broadcast in 2019.

[@SreenikethanI]

@@kutter_ttl6786 hmm

[@noahflare6825]

Hopefully they will have more lines and have better output, helping get this laptop into more consumers. I wish nothing but success for Framework

[@_Makanko_]

A great company! Very happy to see they ship with a keyboard for my language. I hate how a lot of keyboard brands don't ship with my language and I would have to swap out keycaps and the like.

[@neonWHALE002]

Thanks for showing us this, very interesting. I find it interesting that the DIY laptops are cheaper even though they take slightly more work because they disassemble what's already been put together. I'm sure there's more to it than what was shown. Anyway, this is getting me excited for a laptop when I've saved up enough.

[@wetflannel6343]

Can we just appreciate actually seeing inside the factory and how easy it would've been for then to say no without any other options

[@Marcus-OK]

I think these kinds of factory tours (and tours in general) would benefit extremely from a vague diagram / map of where you are and flow/direction from where you were. Just enough to give us location context without pissing off lawyers. Every time you guys do these things there's a "now we're here", "next we're here", and in this video "why is there still so much ahead of us in the assembly line?". It would help a lot in parsing wtf is going on.

[@allentchang]

It's too easy to piss off the lawyers, even for the most seemingly trivial or innocent thing.

[@isaac10231]

12:41 had me rolling I love it when Linus makes the ceo a little uncomfortable 🤣

[@kajeralocse]

That sponsor introduction is ridiculously accurate for a single sentence sponsorship. It's so simple it blew my mind.

[@peterfox6159]

Framework has such a great concept and product. Totally love it :) I am gonna get one, maybe next year or so. Also Nirav and the Framework team members are really great!

[@nicstroud]

12:25 That would be around one and a half minutes per station. Linus showing off his mathematical prowess. 😆

[@stansz]

11:17 ... big surprise they are running Win7. Thought would be XP lol

[@tom3f]

10:41 So DIY products are cheaper to buy but more expensive to build because they asemble and disasemble it so more work must to be done?

[@TheSonoranSniper]

logic

[@tom3f]

@@TheSonoranSniper thats exact oposite of logic. They should either never assemble it or sell it for higher price if manufacturing cost is higher.

[@TheSonoranSniper]

@@tom3f sir, please learn to recognize sarcasm

[@mrgrism]

Because they are tested?

[@TheCorpsehatch]

5:20 I work in a plant that makes automotive parts. Lot traceability is essential to isolate any defects down to the shift and sometimes even the hour. Without lot traceability you'd have to put an entire day's worth of production on hold, possibly scrapping good parts.

[@mithilchandok9867]

There are youtubers in the tech community but no one, no one, can ever match the standards and dedication of Linus. I think he is the professor in his field.

[@Renderprism]

ok i actually love that the diy ones are pulled apart at the end. one you get you assurance that all the part are in good working order and there have been no weird bugs or failures, and two if the point of framework is to change the paradigm around the repairability and sustainability of a laptop, then they need to be able to prove to the least experience user that yeah, even they can do it. and so with the diy kits, you get a thorough and understandable introduction to the basic workings of a laptop and what things can be changed

[@Renderprism]

i imagine that in the future it will not be uncommon that when someone first notices their computer is running poorly, they will ask their partner "wasn't there something about upgrading this thing" and then they will google it and then they will be right.

[@adrianmalkovich7101]

If they had some pictures on their website of worst-case situations on what to expect from blemished devices, and sold them for like 5% off, I'd totally take that deal, because my cats are going to shove it off my desk sooner or later anyway. I don't need to see the issue my specific device has.

[@33up24]

I'll keep saying it forever. The moment framework start shipping laptops with dedicated GPUs, it's game over for every other laptop manufacturer, at least for my wallet. So far i have a 13 inch framework laptop i use for college stuff and i couldn't be more happy with this machine. Sadly i have to use my old HP laptop with a 1650 to play games

[@typhon1861]

Yes, more fo this! This scratches the exact itch the "How It's Made" show did.

[@CodeAsm]

Awesome to see the production line :D Thanks Framework for allowing Linus to be there (and be him). This was one of the silly questions I had for a long time, to see the production of frameworks :D

[@yo25999]

I really hope Framework shows other companies how it could also be done.

[@Viirax]

Haven't had much use for a laptop in a while, but when they start shipping here I'll probably be picking one up. Though I hope they can do more keyboard layout options like not having the fn key on the left side of the space bar, just having slightly wider (1.33 times the size of a normal key) ctrl, meta and alt keys like standard keyboards, and leaving the fn key on the right side.

[@nicholasvinen]

I realise this is a pipe dream but I'd love to be able to get a US English keyboard with some of the lesser used (ie, never) keys replaced/augmented with common engineering and mathematical symbols like ° √ × ÷ ± Ω µ ∆ π etc

[@christopherlanger3159]

I'm waiting for a low spec one for my low spec needs.

[@rudro1995]

I have been watching LTT for over 10 years, and still those sponsor segs get me.

[@rexhua4833]

Framework Laptops are getting more interesting. Thank you for the video.

[@wagyourtai1]

diy costs less, but they disassemble an assembled one for it???

[@juangames452]

Probably because they reuse the components you don't order for other laptops

[@King_DarkSide]

Working on cars, following torque spec is important. Some things you can just yeet the bolt on as tight as possible and be fine. But when you get to the more complicated inner workings? You start getting to "if this isn't perfect, it doesn't start" territory. I can only imagine how delicate torque spec is when it comes to things powered with electricity compared to spec of gas/fuel powered equipment.

[@TheBackyardChemist]

Also, when you are screwing into aluminium or plastic or threaded holes in sheet metal, it is really easy to strip out the hole if you overtorque.

[@King_DarkSide]

@TheBackyardChemist my guy, seriously. Even being as careful possible taking every precaution, I have stripped so many aluminum threads. I feel each material needs a unique thread pitch to reinforce maximum potential. Generally universal thread pitch has been nice, but I think complicating this aspect would be worth the hassle.

[@CL4MP]

10:34 Hold on, I thought the DIY Frameworks are cheaper because I, the customer, have to build them myself. But you're telling me the DIY ones were already assembled, tested, but then get disassembled and shipped? I'm so confused 🤔

[@sanisidrocr]

there is only a 100 dollar difference when you include the components , and thats the windows tax . adding windows to the DIY makes it 50 usd more actually

[@YannickBo]

They should add an option to not disassemble the laptop at the end.. This job seems pretty dumb and a huge waste of the employee's life time

[@That0neDud]

​@@YannickBo it's probably easier to QC them when they're assembled first and then taken apart

[@sanisidrocr]

@@YannickBo the DIY versions come with different configurations so they necessarily need to partially dissemble it. They are just removing the ram, ssd, and wifi card as well. its not a full tear down . I bought one so know how a DIY comes

[@shavono8402]

Everyone's talking about Nirav and Linus, but can we just appreciate the workers?? 90+% of laptops coming off an underdeveloped production line near-perfect is quite an achievement. They are some incredibly skilled and dedicated people.

[@vustswe]

Greenscreeeen! Great video as always, LTT is easily the best channel on YT