Checking on my Investment in Person - Framework Laptop Factory Tour

[@AgentOrange96]

The fact that the Framework uses screws to hold the keyboard together is very telling. Normally those get riveted together, but I guess when your end goal is repairability, that goes out the window. God, I can't wait to get one of these machines!

[@TheBackyardChemist]

Riveted? Bah, I wish. They are mostly heat-staked.

[@blockbertus]

@@TheBackyardChemist which is the plastic version of a metal rivet. same but different.

[@AgentOrange96]

@@blockbertus @TheBackyardChemist True. This is what I meant, but I suppose real riveting would at least make it easy to drill out and replace.

[@blockbertus]

@@sys-administrator you have loctite for that on screws. thats the blue stuff you sometimes see on Laptop screws.

[@AgentOrange96]

@@sys-administrator In theory. The Model M keyboard is a counterexample though. But most laptops won't be used that long and honestly even then I doubt they're as likely to have that issue as the Model M.

[@boysenbeary]

Honestly loving these “Linus checks out something he wants” kinda videos

[@mickolesmana5899]

Yeah, it is happy to see that when Linus putting off the burden of him being CEO. Honestly it is very fresh to see

[@Eogos]

@@mickolesmana5899 pretty sure he said on the WAN show that all these so far are filmed while he's still been doing CEO work, a few before the decision was even fully decided and/or announced.

[@Call_Me_David]

I can just imagine the conversations Nirav has with his s.o. when he gets home and vents about the stressful things Linus put him through that particular time. He seems to be a good sport about it and takes it on stride, but you can still tell he gets a little nervous. It is fun to watch though, and that's precisely why Linus does it.

[@Quizack]

He has a lot riding on this company. His entire career hinges on the success of Framework, and he needs to be able to focus on and control and every aspect of the company that he possibly can. He can’t afford any bad publicity, or controversy. Linus is a great dude, and is clearly very passionate about Framework, but we all know he’s not a very mature and careful guy. However, Linus definitely has a very large audience too, so any videos on Framework can potentially mean thousands of dollars in new customers, or at the very least tens of thousands new potential customers and the brand awareness. IMO, Nirav knows what he’s getting with Linus, and as much as he appreciates it, he’s also rightfully anxious. If it wasn’t for LTT I wouldn’t have known about Framework and bought one myself. Looking forward to Q4!

[@hiddendrifts]

@@Quizack i honestly forget where i first heard of framework, but it definitely wasn't from linus. it was super cool, just like frore, to see a big tech channel talking about a product i'd only vaguely heard of initially [in the case of frore, from PC World]

[@Gatorade69]

@@Quizack I mean I only know of Framework because of LTT. While I don't currently have the need for a laptop but if I did I would instantly be a customer of Framework.

[@weirdovillemania9978]

Nirav is sexy

[@Call_Me_David]

@@theftking I figured that was already assumed by everyone.

[@MrScorpianwarrior]

I just realized that Linus only funded around $200,000 to Framework, but the marketing that Framework gets out of videos like this has got to be INSANELY high. I have 4 laptops I don't use (of various ages and power) but I still really want to buy a Framework...

[@MrMoon-hy6pn]

I'm not saying you can't, but doesn't buying something you won't use go against frameworks entire philosophy of reducing waste?

[@MrScorpianwarrior]

@@MrMoon-hy6pn It certainly does lol

[@wilddemur9796]

@@MrMoon-hy6pn Well if he does get a Framework he won't need to hop from laptop to laptop anymore since it can be upgraded over time

[@theangryintern]

I have a brand new M2 MBP and an Asus windows gaming laptop I bought last year and I still really want to get the 16" framework when it comes out.

[@veerand541]

I think it was specified in an early Framework video that his marketing power is why they chose him instead some other investors.

[@alexanderf8451]

Framework should absolutely have an "ugly vegetable" type of option for units with scratches. There are plenty of people who don't care about every square millimeter of the finish being perfect.

[@urmomsahoe1]

I was thinking 2 or 3 different categories for different levels of damaged to make selling easier. No specific pictures just a general idea of what will be wrong with it.

[@demospolsion6539]

@@urmomsahoe1Also maybe a little 1-2 sentences saying the type of damage and location. Like “scratch on bottom panel” or “dent on top panel”

[@greebj]

That's what the second hand market is for lol

[@yokun1885]

​@@greebjsecond hand implies that someone already used the product the first time

[@quantumsniper9433]

​@@urmomsahoe1 Usually for this kind of stuff you'd sell "B-stock", A stock being normal units that passed qc while B stock has minor cosmetic issues

[@stanimirnikolov159]

It's cool they let Linus and his team film there, by default those assembly environments are tightly controlled and you have to follow set protocols to minimise contamination.

[@Pixelplanet5]

this is not a clean room though so the risk is minimal that 2 people filming there make any difference.

[@ScarfmonsterWR]

It's a laptop they sell as a kit for customer to assemble. I don't think contamination is of any worry here.

[@San4311]

@@ScarfmonsterWR Not all of them are kits. They sell them pre-built too, which Linus did clarify in the video. Only a portion of them get disassembled after QA.

[@IgorEngelen1974]

Guess I'd do exactly the same. Being open to customers can only become an advantage.

[@ScarfmonsterWR]

@@San4311 I never said they don't sell assembled

[@jonathannoneofyourbusiness4123]

Few months after my purchase of a framework and I frankly have no regrets. Like Linus, I really hope framework is successful... We need more repairable laptops and laptops built for linux. :)

[@bionicgeekgrrl]

We need more repairable technology in general. We need to move away from the disposable culture that has developed.

[@WildMidwest1]

Agreed. Out of curiosity, which linux distro did you settle on? Did you struggle with drivers, for instance involving the fingerprint sensor? How reliably is suspend mode? I have an HP Dev One (AMD Ryzen 7) with three linux distros currently installed. I never needed to install a driver for any of the 10+ distros I tried, and I never experienced a sleep issue with any of them. Sadly the Dev One line was EOL’ed by HP in January, so it’s not a Frame competitor anymore. I love the Dev One fit and finish. Some people complain about its screen viewing angle but it doesn’t bother me. 64 gb RAM and 2 TB SSD upgrades were a breeze… around five minutes after doing it a couple times. My latest Dev One upgrade is a 1.5 mm copper heatsink to the SSD, which it definitely helps attenuate temp fluctuations. Good value for < $5 shipped. Using the thinnest available contact adhesive strip to the controller chip was necessary to avoid pressure against the bottom case.. Can you add a heatsink to the SSD inside your Framework 13?

[@Renderprism]

ok i actually love that the diy ones are pulled apart at the end. one you get you assurance that all the part are in good working order and there have been no weird bugs or failures, and two if the point of framework is to change the paradigm around the repairability and sustainability of a laptop, then they need to be able to prove to the least experience user that yeah, even they can do it. and so with the diy kits, you get a thorough and understandable introduction to the basic workings of a laptop and what things can be changed

[@Renderprism]

i imagine that in the future it will not be uncommon that when someone first notices their computer is running poorly, they will ask their partner "wasn't there something about upgrading this thing" and then they will google it and then they will be right.

[@TheCorpsehatch]

5:20 I work in a plant that makes automotive parts. Lot traceability is essential to isolate any defects down to the shift and sometimes even the hour. Without lot traceability you'd have to put an entire day's worth of production on hold, possibly scrapping good parts.

[@MartinVesiaidNilsson]

Discounted "defective" laptops could simply be placed in tiers. A means this type of minor defects, B means this type of more major defects and C means we ran it over with a fork lift. You don't know exactly , but it's good enough and makes it more easy to sort for Framework.

[@gerthddyn]

Framework is what makes me excited about mobile computing again. Them and how steam has approached the Steamdeck make me hope that the trends that Apple started with the Macbook Air aren't the only trajectory endpoint. I've been waiting for the Ryzen models to ship, but you showing us that you can replace the intel motherboard with a ryzen one really thrilled me.

[@-Blue-_]

Apple is garbage company now with there cult followers called "isheeps"

[@zizlog_sound]

Interesting manufacturing tour. According to the two extra steps (assemble/ disassemble) DIY parts, it should make it more expensive. @FrameworkComputers: If that Windows logo is needed, pls add the Linux pinguin to that key as well. And maybe you could be the first by placing the 0 key in it’s appropriate location - next to the 1 key. :-)

[@boredcryptek5513]

I hope Framework hangs around for a long time. I just bought an HP Dev One late last year before learning about Framework. So it will he a few years before i get something new but when i do need something new i intend to get something from them.

[@carlsoll]

Love how much you’ve been involved in so many Videos Linus 😄 I know there’s much more to it, since you changed your Business around, it’s great still learning and having your input :)

[@vinigt]

all laptops should be like frameworks... nice job guys

[@roscoevanderboom8449]

Hey Linus!! I live in Hualien,Taiwan. Give a shout if you wanna check out the east side of Taiwan! Love the show. Can't wait to get my hands on the 16'' Frameworks!

[@sevenofzach]

Just think about how Linus will be like once we get videos (in about 1-3 months) from after he is actually done with being CEO. Gonna be a wild ride!

[@dmr778810]

I'd have to agree with the one other comment I saw about the laptops that don't pass visual QA. One of my favorite things about them is that (I believe) they don't hurt cost too much, but consumers get a discount for those that "Would love to get one, but it's a bit too expensive." Not to mention, while I'd hate to be the one unknowingly getting a touched up chassis, if _I_ were to be the one touching it up, then I'd only have myself to blame if it didn't look bad.

[@elijahf111]

11:37 I build racks and fixtures out of this material at an aviation company, usually not covered in foam like this but the same system.

[@adamgoldsmith310]

All of the processes you are showing and praising are part of Lean, which originated in the Toyota factory in the late 70s, it allowed them to compete with huge companies (who had a lot more room) like Ford, and make a name for themselves, making cars for a fraction of the cost it should have taken. In software this was translated into XP ( extreme programming), and was included as part of the Agile manifesto and later DevOps soft skills :).

[@jakermeister269]

The ones that dont pass visual QA should be sent over to the LTT store. They would have to make some sort arrangement and maybe the LTT store could even become a test range for new feature rollouts and colour schemes where they sell small runs through LTT to see what the community thinks.

[@PhilmoreJenkins]

As soon as the framework 16 drops, I'm ordering one. It's gonna be my new do it all laptop. And if it has gaming capability, it'll be my new laptop I carry around in my semi over the road for entertainment too!

[@ep7311]

Looking forward to some good banter between two cool CEOs...

[@SreenikethanI]

*July 1st intensifies*

[@HenrikSyvertsen]

Love how Nirav just pop's into the video at 1:55 without any introduction 😂 When are framework launching in Scandinavia?!

[@FR4M3Sharma]

We NEED more of these videos! MORE! MOAR!!?

[@ohioplayer-bl9em]

I have wrote a few SOPs in my life. Think of warning stickers and add enough to make a procedure.

[@mistertechnik]

I haven't really thought about, that they would have to assemble, test and disassemble the DIY versions, but in the way they manufacture these, it makes kind of sense. Wouldn't it be possible to test all the components individually before the assembly and test the pre-built version only for assembly defects afterwards, so that the lower price of the DIY version would actually be justified?

[@JustPlayerDE]

maybe at a later production stage it makes more sense, now they still work on improving it tho

[@Farquad76.547]

It makes no sense more labour and time and for what

[@mistertechnik]

Makes sense, that could be possible. But I would see me having fun building a hardcore DIY version where you would do everything they do in the assembly line yourself, but that's probably a bit too niche for an actual product

[@mistertechnik]

@@Farquad76.547 What do you mean exactly? Assembly, testing and disassembly as they do now or testing an advance so no assembly and disassembly for the diy version would be needed? If you mean the first, it's actually pretty important to test, otherwise they might get many upset customers / devices that need diagnostics and fixing which would be way more expensive probably

[@JustPlayerDE]

also what i forgot to mention is that the DIY version comes without operating system and other software setup, windows alone costs money too which they save if it is a diy device

[@MipuPower]

I'm so happy to hear that they will soon start selling in Taiwan. I've been looking forward to it for a long time!

[@Cryotisus]

Everytime you guys do framework coverage... I want to get a framework even more

[@heyspookyboogie644]

No wonder most DIY vs prebuilt stuff doesn’t actually save you significant money by building it yourself. They might be doing MORE for you to build it yourself than just letting them do it. Wild.

[@Mrgjo123]

I really can't wait to order myself a 16" version when they're released in the UK

[@LeonSteelpaw]

I am hoping they do gaming grade ones... THAT would be worth investing into

[@GSBarlev]

The 16" ones support a (detachable!) dGPU, and all units should now support USB4 (read: TB3) eGPUs. Not that the AMD one needs it--the 7840U is *incredibly* good all on its own. Basically: I'm really not sure what you're waiting on...

[@pedro4205]

@@GSBarlev The release.

[@coldbreezeproductions]

just get an Asus or Razor if you want gaming. I don't even understand the market audience for these laptops. lol DiY'ers?

[@coolguy-hu4ou]

​@@coldbreezeproductionsrepairability, modularity, and upgradability are the big selling points. Also just to support a startup that is trying something that could reduce electronic waste and be better for consumers.

[@pedro4205]

@@coldbreezeproductions Asus has a fame of bad quality control. Just search for reviews, lots of people needing to return 2 or 3 in a row due to problems in constructions that shows immediately. Razor is very expansive.

[@RobSmithTech]

Wait...What?!? There are actually companies out there that still care about their customers. What a thought. Nice job Framework! Great coverage LTT!

[@thomasluggiero3413]

So happy to see newcomer to the market succeeding

[@dylantaylor490]

Wait, so they already assembled the DIY ones? Wow, I feel lied to.

[@FrameworkComputer]

We use temporary modules on the line to make sure we can fully test the machine before shipping it out. We make sure the DIY Edition goes through the same rigor of testing as the pre-built versions.

[@stupidfox1711]

I'd love to see a "broken framework lot" where you can buy multiple "broken" parts and Frankenstein them together to get it working

[@redo1700]

I never wanted a laptop, because I never needed one, but this thing, with all of its community's passion for Linux and their reparability aproach has me so hyped that the moment they drop a spanish keyboard (need that Ñ), I could pull the trigger.

[@FriedHam]

Didn't know they were manufactured in Taiwan! Kinda sad that we who live in the same country where these wonderful machines didn't got access for them tho. But this how business works, I got it edit: they do, it's me who didn't finish the video lol

[@FrameworkComputer]

We're opening ordering this summer for Taiwan. We definitely agree that we want to be able to sell where we manufacture.

[@TechOtakuYT]

​​​@@FrameworkComputer Why arent you guys selling down south here in the Philippines? So near, yet so far... :'(

[@professorpwerrel]

They said opening to Taiwan soon

[@PrograError]

well, it's kinda a tell since Taiwan is pretty much the breadbasket of tech, outside of the mass production breadbasket of tech in China, PRC.

[@FriedHam]

@@FrameworkComputer Man I hadn't finished the video when I was commenting 😂 It's so good that not only you guys are doing it, but replying a random comment under the video that in complaining about the thing that you've announced in the very video. I feel so embarassed right now lol

[@Wolfog_]

This brand and how it handles its public appearances has put me in a position where even I, i dedicated home pc user, want to save up the money to get a unit of one of these laptops, Great choice of investment linus and i hopef things work out for framework :)

[@ericvogt5460]

Totally love it that you show us the processes behind the devices. I will definitely buy a framewok as my next laptop to take part of this journey. Also I really would like the thing with the „sorted out“ devices on the QC getting selled at an discount. But when there are only small optical „failures“ the device should be pictured with the not so good parts and selled full price to be fair.

[@daviydviljoen9318]

9:03 I'd totally take one with a blemish. Especially if I still get the repairability.

[@mukulrajjadhav5312]

i want linus as brand to be very successful so that he can bring us these amazing content.

[@Tomazack]

If Nordic keyboard layout becomes an option, I am probably gonna buy one in the future.

[@MSPaintRose]

I can't deal. This man is literally talking in the middle of the meeting. I get he has permissions. It's just too funny

[@oogrooq]

"Automatic Screwing Machine" was my nickname back in college.

[@Ma1ne2]

I'm like 90% sure my next laptop will be a Framework.

[@ultimoguerreiro82]

Gonna buy a 16 as soon as it come out. Need to invest in that kind of business model.

[@reguslav]

Finally, a laptop that makes sense! I'll buy one! Oh wait, they're not shipping to my country. :(

[@Cosmitzian]

Tbh, i feel like the DIY option should list on the website that they actually get fully built, and then unbuilt A lot of people think that they are "saving some of the hassle", especially as the DIY comes cheaper. Feels a bit counterproductive to both sell something cheaper, as well as take a cost for extra manpower to deliver that option.

[@Wraithdagger]

1:57 "it's not as simple as conjuring more production lines" Clearly you haven't played Hogwarts Legacy.

[@soggybottomboys2792]

Would be cool if framework made external cases for the screen or keypad so I could use it outside the computer like a standard usb number pad..

[@Daktyl198]

My only question is why the DIY ones cost less money if they involve more labor (tearing them apart after being fully assembled and tested)

[@Ic3h0t]

I really hope you will start selling in Romania too. Definitely would love to have a 16" one.

[@Meyna86]

Honestly, I was ready to buy a new custom built gaming laptop, had everything configured and only had to hit the confirm button. And then I got a notification about LTTs video about the 16" Framework. I'm willing to wait for that cause all I really need to upgrade in my current laptop is the GPU.

[@JG-ti7id]

i had to rewatch this video! just watched

[@00SNIVY00]

I can't wait for the Framework 16. I'm planning on buying one, despite having bought a laptop last year. Already have someone waiting on me to but it off me.

[@matthewb8919]

Definitely getting a framework laptop next. Struggling to reason out not buying an intel 13 inch

[@BrianChen2049]

OOH! Welcome to Taiwan!!!

[@Loquen564]

I SAW LATIN AMERICAN KEYBOARDS!, buddy i will love to see them sell on this part of the world, most computers here are overprice, garbage, or just really proprietary + there are countries here with really closed markets (you can't basically import anything without paying a lot on taxes, and that means almost no spare parts for fixes). Framework could be that "forever computer" brand that everyone needs

[@4akat]

Really looking forward to getting a framework

[@dr.benjaminbird7631]

disassembling them, so that the customer can DIY it is absolutely nuts! Is that just for the initial production run?

[@Tarodenaro]

I like how even small companies didn't take Linus seriously no matter how he stands with them. (5'2" i think)

[@JTCF]

This kind of openness is awesome! I hope to get this as my main laptop someday and never have to change it ever. So, is russian keyboard layout in the plans? I know shipping directly is troublesome currently due to political reasons, so just shipping to a country nearby would suffice, as shipping proxies are quite widespread among russians already.

[@chrisladouceur4093]

Will be my next laptop. I tend to not upgrade often though

[@joeohs]

exactly what i expected from an LTT edition of "how its made"

[@jonathanbarron10]

I will be buying framework laptop 16 when it comes out :D

[@dannytranlx]

Really interesting, thanks!

[@piyushpaul467]

11:21 They are using the legend Windows 7

[@aa-yt7wo]

Not what I expected when Linus said he got to play with an "automatic screwing machine"

[@demounit]

i am very excited for my framework 13 amd ryzen 7 laptop! i hope it arrives sooner than later!

[@CookieMonster-qw5ru]

Linus must have gone crazy, seeing all those people without a LTT screwdriver.

[@garetz2011]

I want one, with a fast swap ssd like the ones made by digistor for dell laptops.

[@antiarisx7843]

Still waiting here in Japan😢Can't wait for the launch

[@andredanieldasilvaleite3672]

I'm waiting for these laptops to be available in Brazil. Would love to get one, loads of flexibility and customization. Had a lot of trouble with previous ones dying shortly after warranty expiration (and no way to repair it)

[@HHalcyon]

I effing want Framework to succeed so bad. This is how a laptop should be designed - repairable. And this mentality needs to spread.

[@himalayanmonk3350]

Nirav bhai , bhot aacha kaam kiya yaar tumne . ❤

[@edanc6799]

Honestly, visual blemishes from production aren't that bad. My function over form homies would gladly grab a discounted device with a scratch or dent. If theyre not gonna dent the laptop, we certainly will. Do sell the the ones that fail the visual QC.

[@Jesus_Christ_For_Real]

every single video the methods used for sponsor segments are improved

[@ARandomInternetUser08]

Damn, that sponsor at the end got me.

[@Jestokost]

12:44 it’s because they know if they told you, it’d get leaked on the WAN show by the end of the month 😂

[@simonhughes2902]

I get its the joke, but "this spot looks good" as it currently filled with stuff for storage is exactly how management works

[@rahulsarkar1200]

It is all Cool and I love when from the starting of the Framework's modular laptops. I would like to know weather or when it will ship to India to give it a hands on framework's masterpiece.. And off course the 16's GPU (whispers- "Moduler one") ❤

[@rocketPower047]

Taipei is an awesome city.

[@Grimlo9ic]

8:47 Just like with my mechanical keyboards, I would totally buy a B-stock Framework laptop which has (to me) imperceptible imperfections and blemishes, if that means a discount. That's a win-win right there.

[@thecaneater]

9:30 Genuinely disappointed that video isn't Crab Rave.

[@thisjustanother]

so they have all their sponsor ads and personal links, but no actual links for the laptops in the description or anything?

[@HOOKSnKISSES]

Nirav's brother Synthesizer told me every Framework laptop comes installed with a burglar alarm.

[@crunchynetto6979]

at this point, i wish my current financial potential started 10yrs ago. Able to invest in a company like this would be a very good move, slow ROI is not a problem, as long as the vision and execution are achieved.

[@tams805]

I almost order an AMD one, but I'm after OCuLink these days, and a touchscreen (ideally with Wacom EMR).

[@The_Fordster]

The fact they tear down an already prebuilt one for the DIY edition and then sell it for cheaper

[@leeksoup3199]

watching this on my new framework 13 :3

[@jedavin]

great concept 🙂

[@chnapo1]

Wait what´s the point of DIY if the work to assemble it has already been done and it takes extra work to disassemble the unit?

[@pasikeranen]

If damaged units are so rare, Instead of selling the scuffed’n’scratched laptops on discount they should sell them with premium as ”Linus Editions”. Adding some engraving or such. Having Linus with his screw driver with oopsie face on the promo material. With of course explanation how buying these laptops makes you a green dude/dudette and all money goes back to ensuring these become more and more rare items in the future.

[@bill4331]

ltt can you do an extreme flight setup? video 23 of asking

[@steve2me414]

The connexion cable to the wifi card absolutely suck on every single laptop I can't see it changing on this either.

[@SshanIcsS]

Come on, we only see so many frame work videos because linus and the ceo want to hang out again and chalk it up to a business trip.

[@saulbaylon4844]

It remembers me SO much to prusa research

[@slowlanegamer]

I don’t even think you would need to post photos of the blemish. If your just giving a hundred to a few hundred dollar discount for visual imperfections 🤷🏼‍♂️ I think just make a single page showing what they look like generally like a few of the worst ones and say “It can look like this or could be almost perfect, so we are being environmentally conscious by giving you a discount and getting these imperfect laptops sold!” I would personally not care about scratches or some tiny issues as long as it’s working… plus you could always replace the parts later 🤩 Edit: it’s crazy that they are disassembling the tested components on the DIY version … isn’t the DIY one cheaper than the build one 🤔🤣 that’s wild they are even taking the time and money to do that and allowing the customers to still get a discount for it or be able to even buy a DIY model!

[@washieiko]

Awesome !