Who Needs FRONT GRIP? It’s a MYTH

FOR YEARS I have been telling people that you dont need a ton of front grip to drift. Now Im finally going to be able to prove my point. I headed to the junk yard to pick up 20 year old SPACE SAVERS to throw on my car and rip with. Watch what happens!
Thanks to Gundies Auto Wrecking for the spares!

[@TheCommentedOne]

When he said the tires from 2001 are older than most whom are watching... I actually laughed out loud

[@sacrificialrubber779]

Made me feel old...🤣🤣🤷🏻‍♂️

[@OriginLabR32]

I laughed as the single tear fell from my apparently old eyes

[@TheCommentedOne]

@@OriginLabR32 😂😂

[@TheCommentedOne]

@@sacrificialrubber779 its part of life lol est. '88

[@lordperezident]

1992 here yeaaaheard

[@markpetrosky3128]

This brings a whole new meaning to “drift spares” lol

[@gremotorsports]

@@gerardochase403 tf 😑 gtf outta here

[@Slide_master_Drifter]

Absolutely, absolutely bro!

[@gx5729]

I think the strat is bring two spares so when u finish ur rears drifting rotate the front to back and put the spares on the front lolll

[@SAMMIT]

This is totally one of those “just because you can doesn’t mean you should” moments 🤣🤣🤣

[@BOOT]

It's just a cool extreme example to prove a point

[@masterman530]

I wonder if it’s possible to get usable angle out of the clearance increase with the smaller wheels

[@BOOT]

@@masterman530 I think it's possible, actually wanted to try it on my project truck BUCK someday, maybe compare a 20" rim to a 15" with a low pro

[@decimalauthor]

I bet Sammit is familiar with those moments being an Aussie. Lmao

[@rainedrop14]

"i believe in you, but i also believe im gunna go check out this e36" how to know you found the right one

[@alecfleming373]

Untill, we catch onto the fact she's just hunting... Na, hope not, I'm just being toxic XD

[@starfox_wr-45e93]

Also, when Chelsea said "They may not work slowing down for the big huck..." and she's still in the car for the next shot.. I said wow out loud.

[@maurolemus57]

Impressive how much I overthink my setup! Lol

[@FastPaull]

Need to start a new series now called drifting myths

[@KameTrick]

I remember seeing a Japanese team do this as a joke in Drift Tengoku mag back in ~2007, they had similar results. A lot like drifting without ebrake, as long as the driver times inputs and transitions appropriately without going way too slow or fast, it’s absolutely doable 👌🏻 Very fun to watch 😂

[@thekookie8083]

Love your vids kame! I might have to sub this dude too

[@KameTrick]

@@thekookie8083 I recommend it, Chelsea is a great guy and fully committed to drifting, going from grassroots to pro 👍🏻

[@SlightlyM3ntal]

I like how even your girl knows to go STRAIGHT to the DOT. Those things are ANCIENT.

[@g.j.2857]

A year or so more and I think there would be no DOT as we know it 😁

[@mikebutrie5147]

This made me feel like it is 1996 again watching Saturday morning cartoons 😂

[@JDR1971]

Those RIMZ look heinous! LOL! Edit: That steering wheel is classy though! And I'll be 50 this year so some old farts do watch your vijeos. ;)

[@billyb7561]

videos* You're too old for spelling mistakes, and you even edited this once already.......

[@rickloss6133]

@@billyb7561 it’s a fucking KZbin comment bro grow tf up

[@TheCynicalJedi]

​@@billyb7561 It's only a spelling mistake if you don't know who AVE is, pipe down before you embarrass yourself some more

[@joeyg29jgjg]

@@TheCynicalJedi glad you got to him first lmao

[@Philsilva06]

LMFAO this is so funny to watch you rip with those tires.... i guess wheel clearance in the front with high angle isn't a thing anymore.

[@roysteen16]

Now your gunna start a new trend everyone's gunna be running skinnys up front to get even more angle!! It's a drift and drag package in one lol 😆

[@cmamsler]

When the god talks about drifting. I listen

[@lordperezident]

God of drifting E36s then yes, most definitely lol

[@tommygunnz7154]

Agreed

[@cmamsler]

@@lordperezident I mean he just got 2nd place in a mustang. Lol. Also he is always 3 wheeling it anyways so of course he knew he didn’t need front bite lol 😂

[@TurbineResearch]

I love the sounds of that motor. It's amazing 😄

[@martin1649]

it's wild

[@rivboi]

12:29 Lol

[@fearlessdrift6110]

i like these videos where you tell 3/4 of the drifters of the world they have no clue what theyre doing. man has no chill. keep posting this stuff

[@EGHeartattack]

These are the types of videos I love! I learn something new from you every video! Keep up with the great content Chelsea!

[@zydomason]

I'd love a comparison with a tires more grippy than the rear ones

[@MarcAntoine1]

Dude's loving pizza so much he puts frickn' pizza cutters as front wheels 😂😂 keep it up 👌👌👌. It seriously looks like a good way to learn how to perfect your entry, I love it!

[@diybuildsandrepairs]

Dude could drift with snow skies on the front of that car

[@ashetonthedude]

i knew this is what you were doing when you posted on your story lol. id been wanting to do this since seeing the old japanese challenges of it

[@motoray69]

Now throw em on all 4 corners! lol

[@Tahio76]

It goes so smooth.... it's awesome to watch

[@burntnugget1854]

Im blown away by your drifting you drive with such confidence dude...i really love this video thanks❤❤

[@sigma0987]

7:07 The smile on her face says it all!! that backie is sickkk thooo

[@garrettslobey9204]

I like the whisper...."foreshadowing "

[@1byte4]

Lets call it "Going Crispy" because they are donuts.

[@alexmanitiu21]

Next video: Who needs FRONT WHEELS? it’s a MYTH!

[@jimsh]

this is so sick - loved it more drift myths please haha

[@TrashPandaPirate]

When you said 2001, I was thinking “oh well this video probably came out a few years back, so I’m older than those,” but nope 2 years younger in fact

[@385949862]

Impressive. I feel like a major component of making those skinnies work is being really comitted on the angle / being able to keep the rear end from hooking up mid drift.

[@chelseadenofa]

That’s how all my cars are anyways

[@nickburgundy9766]

"I was backin it in" and"this might be a thing" should be memes😂

[@RileyLH]

Front grip at my local track is pretty important if you are taking an outside line. It's a fast straight that you Manji then it goes to a long sweeping corner to a hairpin. If you have too high of a front tire pressure when you take the outside line (cough cough the cool line) your car wants to keep going forward with all its speed and you start going wider and wider until you hit the marbles and lose all rear grip.

[@chelseadenofa]

You could just add angle and have the car drive down instead

[@slideordie95]

I feel like he's the Best driver in FD I think no one can beat him besides himself mentally cause driving wise he's the best one in my opinion. I love how he's on throttle 90-95% of the whole track

[@CornellW003]

Option mag did something like this like 20 years ago but they did it in the rain. Either way this is awesome 👌 . It's gonna make tons of people rethink their setups. Keep the myth busting coming.

[@chelseadenofa]

Did they have a 255 Nitto at 15psi in the rear? 😂😂😂

[@CornellW003]

Hell no. I wish I could find the article . It was back when I lived in Okinawa. It thought it was funny at thr time.

[@dylanducker5528]

I've always believed this as well but good to see it proven, only time I can imagine you want front grip is for a snappier flick.

[@cluelessdak7224]

So many people need to see this! I've tried to tell people but some people just wont listen lol

[@drifts145]

I originally started in time attack, when i started drifting my thought proccess was “drifting is oversteer, gotta set the car up to be really grippy up front and slidy in the rear” and it was but it was really hard to be consistent drifting, this video along with your other ones have made me completely rethink my setup.

[@chelseadenofa]

Tell your road race friends that! 😂😂😂

[@KiLO_602]

Seeing how hard you huck that bmw into that first turn gets me hyped!

[@SuperCuteWombat]

when chelsea wakes up and wants to save the world!

[@oldguyracing1177]

No ...just money✌

[@claytization]

Great experiment! People always jamming down your throat about sticky front tires and how front grip is such a game changer. I've gone from using scrubs to overkill grip in the front, and I feel like it just hides driver mistakes and creates bad driving habits. Obviously at a pro level and tandem driving you want a proper setup but for beginners its excessive imo

[@BTKeck]

Great experiment! It's always worth to try new things and learn with them. I recall a entire group of guys at Ebisu do something similar around 2007 with Donuts.

[@jameyharrison7499]

Sayin howdy, getting rowdy🤙🏽That backy was 🔥How ya doin bro?

[@joshthebavarian]

Dope concept but Id love to see this tested on a car with stock angle! I wonder if having more front grip helps at all in that context

[@8FABDrifting]

In theory it should make it easier with the spares as this will help the front slide more and would stop it from overrotating too much

[@louwrenssmal]

Respect, I have always admired your pure driving skill but you took it to a next level today. That been said stick them on the back and it would be like driving on ice.

[@Cameramanrob_]

Mans really out here exposing drifting myths lol I rate it😂💯

[@ghettoflowers9635]

Great video. Made my morning! So funny to watch them donuts. Now i want some krispy kreme.

[@norphes3865]

Slap those on the mustang. That would be a flex

[@stephenfitzsimmons1752]

Fr imagine chels doing a fd season with those wheels in the front

[@NORMANBARR]

I'm on it !!!

[@justinelliott293]

The side view of those backwards entries looked fucking insane, you were hauling balls! It’s also cool to see your wife out there with you

[@shaneanning180sx]

I remember years ago i was at a mates tyre shop rolling my car out and a older dude said to me u know u are wasteing your money with semis on the front u dont need grip on the front when drifting and he said it makes it easyer me.been young and thinking i knew everything said yeah shat ever 4 years later was sick of spending lots on front tyres always fucking the inside so started running the same tyres as i do on the rear and wow car was easyer to hold angles and didnt even notice and pushing very good point dude u my friend are one of the best

[@erickmoney2691]

Glad, you've been uploading a bunch! You were rippin er' !

[@driftking9283]

Now I finally have something I can send my friends that claim they need more front grip when they push

[@Throwmearound]

This proves what ive been saying for years as well, you need front grip for big flick entrys a bit, and after that its just pointing the car in the rough direction it should go and the rear does all the steering. Sticky fronts are just very helpful in covering bad front suspension setups (and im guilty of that)

[@chelseadenofa]

Honestly I think if you have bad suspension you’d want less front grip, that way it smooths out your efforts

[@ricerlife8322]

Loved going gokarting there always had a blast

[@RvolvoR]

I wonder how much less the skinny tires beat up the power steering system as well.

[@bigdfitness5020]

Or how much more strain does it put?

[@aldenhauser9555]

@@bigdfitness5020 how would it be more?

[@dumpsterstu4474]

I love the video and the content. I'm low key excited to see my hometown wrecking yard on youtube.

[@IH4788]

As a BMW guy I’m in love with the fact that you drift an E36 compact

[@Ben-hf7fg]

In australia e36 is the go to drift car now s bodies are 30k$+

[@moedog5087]

I got excited. I figured youd run them in the rear too

[@brandonpanozzo86]

After a couple laps you were really hitting your line. super sick driving

[@texaneric9491]

No you don't need big grippy front tires to drift well. But having all the suspension, arms, bushings, etc to correct the geometry, sure helps.

[@SuperSlowCamaro1]

Im really interested if a motorcycle tire would step this setup up even more.

[@acherontiaatropos1]

My tire??

[@magicstew45]

If you could drastically adjust camber while driving then probably.

[@jasonbirch1182]

That may work pretty good actually. Especially if you have a lot of camber loss at high angle.

[@itsmikelake]

Hot damn, that thing rips!

[@rivboi]

She was loving that box of donuts. Lol

[@boblee6173]

Chelsea makes drifting look way more fun than usual

[@HallowellsSpeedShop]

It would be interesting for you to do a follow up video of gripping up the front to show how it could hinder or hide bad front end setups 👀

[@joshuamahala6196]

Ahh good old gundies, been there a ton of times for my cars over the years. Love seeing videos from the pnw bro.

[@JamDrifts]

This is absolutely bonkers and I love it!

[@tofu7397]

lmao as someone who's style eats up front tires, I'd enjoy this

[@rhassard278411]

a long time ago i posted a question about fronts on the Lone Star Drift Stuff page and you and Fielding both chimed in. Both of you said a balance set-up and one of you (cant remember which) said youre steering with the ass end, making the big changes with the throttle and the small changes in the wheel. since then ive been running 215 or 225 westlakes (i had 225 westlakes when you drove my car) and dropped the 225 feddy rs-rr. i love the way my car drives since the change. and if its understeering im obviously not driving it hard enough.

[@robinskeppstam]

I think I found a new favourite channel

[@dudemynameisdebo]

I've always thought that having skinnies up front would majorly help a rear bias car from being so snappy. I really think there's something to this almost like sand rail physics but not rear engine like mid engine and rear bias transaxle cars.

[@ArmyVet1776]

Dude, lets see this on your demo spec-5!

[@BBox-3is]

I'm impressed the spares from 2001 stayed together and didn't blow at the very least because those tires are normally rated for 50-55 mph. I am curious if longer and wider chassis you get the same results.

[@chelseadenofa]

This car has a 107.5” wheelbase. It’s longer than almost all drift cars

[@BBox-3is]

@@chelseadenofa I had no idea the ti compact, impressed.

[@Dansavage314]

New series... “what can’t Chelsea do?!”

[@trevermonk8575]

I was hoping to see you use all four at once lol. Great proof of concept!

[@dan_the_drifter321]

I found a similar but no way as severe situation when I tried a set of 235 40 18's on a 8.5J on the front of my old s14 and spun out a few times (bear in mind I have been drifting quite a long time), back on the 225 45 17's on a 9J or even 205 50 17's on my 8J's and everything was back to normal, it could have been that I couldn't adjust to it (or the wheel width and size changed my suspension set up, or maybe the 18's touched the inner wing where I didn't realise) but seemed like it was dragging the front having the extra tyre size and wheel width/mass... Either way great video and surprised I never saw it pop up before, rock on!

[@the.ghost.behind.u]

This is hilarious n definitely great content. I'm just sittin here eagerly awaiting the front spare tires to debead n roll off the rim cus after 50-80miles of use they do that

[@chelseadenofa]

Me too

[@lordnork3360]

I'm certainly not proud of this....but I had one from 1998 on the back of my 96 buick century for roughly 6k miles....most of which where highway speeds.....was waiting for it to try and kill me. Its still "usable" if absolutely necessary...

[@DoubtElement]

I definitely messed up when I started. I went straight for RSRR fronts & didn't know what I was doing wrong

[@ytbb123]

Love to see how a pro drifter has such a lot of fun with a bmw compact. Personally i think e36 compact is a great car :)

[@FaworDrifts]

you are overall Chelsea a person, thanks to which I have such a fun drift suspension knowladge what I have now, but comparing to your FD experiance and mine from last 3 years and 4 cars - will not fully agree :) 1st of all I'm opinion, that your both FD progress in Mustangs is 1:1 connected with better front grip and better selfsteer. Cars are noticable (just from watching movies) easier to control. 2nd of all: make such test in your ori 318ti :) My experiance from my 316ti (100hp or below, on the channel) says - this car pushes so much forward due to having no power to lift the tires easily, that without front grip to 'hold it' 'forced' on the drift line, it will be not able to drift. Here it is possible thanks to great SLR geometry and huge amount of NA-blasting torque which fires up the tires immediately. I will be glad to heare what do you think about my theory :)

[@11ba6750]

When the Chelsea’s roast black wheels 😂👌👌👌👌

[@ryevdee6064]

I swear it looks faster, but, my ego refuses to admit it. 😂

[@chelseadenofa]

It’s for sure faster

[@lucastheemperor4443]

40-60kmph drifts? Its fast considering the track

[@alecfleming373]

Dude, the way you drove that car just here... Balls to the wall cool!!! So how do I get to the school again?

[@chelseadenofa]

Theschoolofdrift . Com

[@alecfleming373]

@@chelseadenofa Well, it'll take me a bit more time. Bitcoin however, provided it hits these crazy numbers, I could be lucky!

[@JonasVanHorn]

Haha this was an awesome video! Those laps were no joke! 🤘🏼

[@SKOMPAS]

I wonder if skinny spare tyres like this are a super soft rubber compound, they don’t have to last long and they aren’t exposed to the sun, they seem to work amazing!

[@bsiccs]

I feel like front grip helps you start and end a drift-pulling you towards or away from the apex-, and rear grip helps you go through it- pushing you around the corner.

[@xXbyebyegirl01Xx]

Yeah this video is mostly clickbait. You technically dont need any grip in the front if you drift it exactly on the button. But the margin or error is basically zero with basically zero grip... You will have a lot more fun if you just put grippy tires on the front. "Myth" NOT busted

[@CamMartonDrift]

I remember my mate mentioning he wants to run a competition where everyone runs these wheels on the front. Would really seperate the men from the boys 🤣

[@1990Redline]

I'm just at 1:25 and YES black wheels are so ugly and dumb! Thank YOU! 😂👍 Sick that it worked out so well.. I guess for drifting it can be awesome to learn better in the beginning, just like you shouldn't start with 400 hp, always start small for learning, same for grip Oriented racing, I learned to drive fast and smooth with my mk1 Golf wich made driving fast in more powerful and advanced cars way easier. I don't think the no front grip thing would work out on a grip car lol, like we're the brakes lol 😂 awesome video man 👍

[@chrillernitro2000]

Wow this is crazy! I can't wrap my head around it 😨

[@WoolyWolf99]

Taking “shopping cart steering” to the next level.

[@big_head_ted]

I knew this was gonna work the second I saw the thumbnail cause there is a guy from new zealand that I've seen do it before

[@Rusiputki]

I'm glad you discovered this but we've known it back in the Ueo AE86 D1GP days ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) Even Initial D has covered the topic on 4 wheel drift back when angle kits didn't matter. Glad to see you uploading again!

[@Rusiputki]

Now try it on FWD at the rear and watch the magic happens Reference: (see Dallas Corbin Jetta, Noriyaro FWD drift, Conorsev Prelude)

[@rcstarz5206]

Awesome driving as always brother man.

[@jasonma2302]

Lol the next time some buys a "donut" Drift Tax

[@kostoncollingwood1261]

We need it on all fours!!

[@tdolan500]

The dude who brought the donuts is the best kind of human.

[@rdatomica2230]

I'm honestly really surprised how well this actually worked! I mean I guess it makes sense, like, dune buggy's use thin tires up front so then get more grip when turning through the sand and ice skates have thin blades so I guess it's kinda like that, but it probably has absolutely no relation to this what so ever, but hey, imma go with it xD

[@Jeffe46M]

I think you’re onto something. I’m getting a set of donuts lol. But for real this video made me smile

[@offroadspecialties7383]

Mount some sport bike tires up to some donut wheels. Lol

[@chelseadenofa]

That’ll be so much grip at angle

[@Boostgravyy]

Drag car ready. Slicks and skinnies

[@emanueljunio986]

I think the front alignment is more relevant than the grip on the front tires, so your car performs well so

[@driftjunk]

I used to beat guys with stock road tyres on the front of my car, I always thought they were wasting their money putting semi slicks on front.