This Drawback Makes Me Sick

[@Bonemiser]

Do not move King-adjacent pawns on Scorched Earth. Open with dim rim pieces and the Queen. Let your opponent capture King pawns, then recapture with high testosterone.

[@Suku1509]

You can't recapture with that drawback though?

[@tacticaltaco7481]

@@Suku1509 Yes you can

[@quintopia]

And more generally move pawns to place where you can gain an advantage by having them captured

[@Tytoalba777]

​@@Suku1509The penalty only applies to a piece that moves away from a square. If they're captured, the penalty doesn't apply

[@smithsmith6402]

Yeah that drawback you need to trade down pieces aggressively to both make room on the board and because recapturing after a piece is taken is getting a second move to that square. Even making bad trades is better than just never using pieces, you just gotta make those bad trades and hope the opponent's drawback will cause their loss.

[@tochoXK3]

If you input an Elo bigger then 2000, it will automatically be set to 2000. So the entire "speedrun" above 2000 Elo was actually at 2000 Elo.

[@Feuerteufel99]

Pssssssst let him have his fame

[@Mamenber]

"Literally unplayable" - Magnum Carlos

[@MedK001]

isn't the limit 2400

[@pepebeezon772]

He said that before

[@someonesomeone7000]

pretty sure it sets you lower since I was still u2000 for a few games when I created my account

[@rybiryj]

Come on, never resign if you don't know the opponent's drawback. It's possible that his drawback makes you a favourite, even if you asses the situation as hopeless.

[@mitchratka3661]

Not only that, there are some drawbacks in which you lose automatically after a certain number of moves, so theoretically simp is resigning right before he's about to win

[@TlalocTemporal]

He did know the opponent's drawback though, they counter revealed.

[@mitchratka3661]

@@TlalocTemporal right..... yea ok then this applies in general lol, I didn't think to check if they did when replying

[@SofosProject]

​@@TlalocTemporal Not during the game he resigned it wasn't.

[@stelscarrot]

But, that's a coward move

[@n0150]

stuff about game theory

[@zranxsevengg652]

160IQ comment

[@RaichuKFM]

That second match was the kind of silliness I want to see from Drawback Chess, bravo on both your parts.

[@ABlueThing]

Simp is not a coward, he's a gambler

[@NeverSnows]

Ah yes, a classic 100 rated move: looses queen and then resigns. But this time, it was Simp, the coward.

[@Demigod2Tet8]

you can let pawns be captured, that way you're not moving them so the square doesn't get scorched. This lets you develop better in the start, maybe enough to get your pieces to the opponents side and mount an attack.

[@warmpianist]

Nash equilibrium, mixed strategy, strictly dominated strategy, Cournot duopoly

[@mylesskinner7331]

Ha! Orbulus Cranium here... 11. ... Qh4+ isn't actually mate, because I wouldn't be able capture the king until I'd underpromoted a third bishop, and White's king wouldn't be obligated to move out of check, so Simp had plenty of legal moves. My drawback forced me to play like a coward-just run down the clock until my opponent choked to death on his own ashes. (My own record with Scorched Earth is 3-3 when it's my drawback, and 7-0 when I'm playing against it.)

[@Siniset]

You could have taken the knight on c6 at 4:34 right? Because of the drawback, the opponent can't recapture with a pawn.

[@mauer1]

yes, c6 was unprotected the same way e6 was.

[@giacomomeluzzi280]

Holy gambler that second guy was the chaddest of them all

[@saphiren0050]

Opponent #2 had some cojones, respect.

[@ebin2222]

Uhm ackshually that's called gambler's fallacy and it's not from game theory but from statistics. Game theory is about agents making decisions for their own benefits, but when considering random, it's a statistical problem. *nerd emoji here*

[@Alphabetatralala]

PUTTING A NERD EMOJI IRONICALLY DOESN'T MAKE THIS FUNNY I HATE YOU I HATE YOU I HATE YOU I HATE NERDS AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

[@JustSomeGuyWithAMug]

☝️🥸 ☝️🤓 ☝️🧐

[@vinitalec]

That tactic in the last game was amazing

[@damsonrhea]

I think the trick with scorched earth is that spaces aren't lost if your piece is captured. Pawns are the worst 'piece' to, because they take every space as they move forward - you want to quickly get your own pawns killed, so that they get out of the way and stop devouring spaces.

[@Khunkurisu]

As mentioned by a couple others that first drawback specified squares you’ve moved from, which shouldn’t include squares emptied by your pieces (or pawns) being captured. So the way to win is to get them to capture towards the center to keep the king’s mobility options available. (Still exceptionally difficult)

[@whocares2277]

... especially with an opponent who has an endgame drawback. They need three bishops before they can capture the king so they won't attack it quickly.

[@BlackPegasusBP]

6:13 - I feel a bit called out here...

[@guard13007]

I'm amazed by that risky business with them baiting your 50/50 until death.

[@bossfan25]

5:24 such a testerone move. He really just said "what's wrong chess simp...chicken?"

[@aceospades6570]

I've won with the Scorched Earth DB before. I obviously didn't reveal it; however, I managed to capture my opponent's king. My opponent's DB: "Prince Charming: If your queen is attacked, you must move a knight if possible"

[@pierrecurie]

You ate that queen, didn't you?

[@cathsaigh2197]

Idk if it'd be too easy as an unrevealed challenge, but making this one "pieces, not pawns" would seem like a good change.

[@deandelvin9924]

Scorched Earth is such a bullshit drawback that I think it should be either nerfed (e.g. can use any square no more than 3 times) or removed from this variant completely. At the start of the game, you immediately lose 25% of the board, and the opponent's side is unreachable at first, so that leaves you with only 50% of the board to move and develop, and that half keeps shrinking with every turn.

[@davidli719]

6:00 he requested no right. 6:06 he requested right.

[@theneoreformationist]

3:24 at least you didn't get their drawback. Hyper bongcloud for the win!

[@gloweye]

With scorched earth, you need maximum value from each move. Pawns do not give maximum value, they give maximum board coverage.

[@jackychen7769]

My problem w Scorched Earth is that you can take advantage of it by moving your king to any space your opponent can't move on. Ofc, this isn't as big an issue if you don't reveal, but that still presents the issue of being unable to capture your opponent's king even if you mate it. Scorched Earth should at least exclude the space the enemy king is on, and it's still a hard one.

[@NightSkyJeff]

The king *can* move in this variant, he just has to move onto a square that another one of your pieces or pawns never moved from. So if you let one of three king-adjacent pawns get captured, the king can potentially re-capture and move.

[@caoandy1]

I've learnt that inputting any elo greater than 2000 in the welcome screen will set your Drawback Chess elo to 2000 in your profile. This means the idea of a 2000+ speedrun may not be that meaningful. Would be better if Simp does an Drawback Chess elo climb like he has been doing with Duck Chess. Just an idea though.

[@rzim0dnar]

It doesn't actually matter. We've already seen the videos where he put in 99999 elo, and in one of those, he points this out. I think there was already an explanation when he first started this series, that he wants to just do it and see if something manages to change.

[@caoandy1]

Got it. Though I think he can try an elo climb from 2000 like Duck Chess, that's definitely possible since he's already experienced with hard drawbacks.

[@GargantuanMonster]

How to win on scorched earth: 1. Don't resign

[@ipsylon9833]

The winds opponent should know, that Simp, is not a coward.

[@thesouthernist8174]

I imagine the Danish gambit might be a starting point in finding a way of beating the scorched earth drawback. The way I see it, you want open files so your pieces can be in attacking positions without having to actually move them.

[@emonchdocoop2006]

Scorched Earth: use knights to the most

[@Pankypops]

Pretty sure the maximum ELO on this site is 2000, so any games above that are are technically still 2000 games. The developers need to establish that minimum and maximum limit.

[@CB-lh4ph]

In the last game you said "he also has Qxh7 which absolutely destorys me, but it doesnt. The exact same tactic works. Bishop check, then take his queen with your rook

[@falkez1514]

the dude from the second game is an absolute chad

[@xCorvus7x]

I suppose Triple Play is not that high on the scale because you can play almost the entire game as if you had no drawback, which _probably_ puts you at a great advantage over your opponents. Just postpone capturing the King until the endgame where you can turn pawns into Bishops as needed - if you didn't win due to your opponent's drawback until then.

[@lcajueiro]

I’M THE DUDE FROM THE 2ND GAME! I’m gonna be honest, i genuinely didn’t notice your bishop on E4 so i thought that move was safe, despite the website saying otherwise lol. I genuinely didn’t expect to be in one of these videos but i’m glad i was lol (It’s weird though because my ELO is 1125 while yours is 2000 something, idk how we got matched together lol)

[@FrancoisTremblay]

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[@jhorbirnlokrisson6528]

Scorched earth idea : just go nuts with horses and long range attacks. Pawns should only be moved one square since you might want to keep a line where they can defend or idk. I'm bad at chess but heck If you have to go down FUCK IT bring him down to a phyric victory i say.

[@scrimau]

If you have the Scorched Earth drawback an no legal move, since all possible squares are blocked by the drawback, is it a stalemate? might be a way to squeeze out a draw... or do you just lose? And with regard to the rating of the drawback, i guess, cheesy traps are still possible, and some opponents may resign after early aggression, and without revealing it, thats maybe enough to get wins with the drawback. But with the reveal its pretty hard, since every logical opponent will defend and just stall out, even when behind ...

[@harshitbadgamia3930]

He will just lose due to the drawback

[@scrimau]

@@harshitbadgamia3930 you played the drawback before? Usually in chess, when you have no legal move, it is a draw. And the drawback does not explicitly state, that you lose, when you have no legal move...

[@harshitbadgamia3930]

@@scrimau I have used this site a lot, since this site requires you to capture the king and not checkmate him per say, you can’t stalemate normally, you would be forced to move into the check. And in case you can’t move due to the drawback you lose because of the drawback, there is no draw unless not enough material or something. It has happened with simp’s opponent in a past video too, they didn’t have any move due to drawback and lost.

[@victorfinberg8595]

easy to win with the "scorched earth" drawback: SCORCH the earth ... use a nuke

[@jruler93]

I miss Matt Pat.

[@gianlucatartaro1335]

Forget game theory, you just shouldn’t have resigned lol. It would be VERY easy to prevent a win with his drawback, even without knowing it lol

[@QuirkyView]

I'd love to see you play drawback chess but you hide the drawback before you can read it, so you don't know what your drawback is

[@RaceBandit]

I see you saved the testosterone for that second game.

[@DobesVandermeer]

For scorched earth will you have a stale mate if you run out of legal moves? Or lose?

[@NimonoSolenze]

I think I've seen once before that if you run out of legal moves in Drawback Chess due to your drawback, you lose

[@Carl-Gauss]

It’s probability theory, not game theory though

[@The-Anathema]

Why move the queen back in the second game? Qxc6 is just a free knight since his pawns cannot move to light squares and therefore cannot capture your queen. I see zero reason for such a low testosterone move. In fact Qe6+ is arguably worse, even if it were allowed since he'll just block with bishop and that's that (and it's still a perfectly sensible followup after the free knight).

[@AM-yk5yd]

You could have been won the first game if you Bongclouded king to the other side and killed their king before three bishopes appeared.

[@drachefly]

Would need to get one if the pawns near the king captured

[@Zer0ji]

Three very satisfying games today 100% watch time

[@Rhadiv]

You should stop revealing your drawbacks. Some of this guys are too good to give them that advantage.

[@adrianwoodruff1885]

What anime is that ending from?

[@syockit]

JoJo's Biz... oh wait, it's Mikakunin de Shinkoukei

[@DubDubDubdotDubdotCo]

That's some fresh simp!

[@Afterthoughtbtw]

Leaving things to chance is a very cowardly move. It's basically you saying you aren't good enough to win through bravery and brains alone. Simp = coward.

[@Infarlock]

Morning?

[@ussxrequin]

It's morning for America, so it's morning for the world.

[@Nalehw]

He just says different times every episode.

[@HazmanFTW]

Just play Scholars Mate on Scorched earth.

[@Gy987654321]

Want a crazy gambler.

[@Optik2]

4:40 , free knight?

[@Ender41948]

Both knights are protected, even without the drawback preventing Simp from going right.

[@Ze_eT]

@@Ender41948 The knight on C6 is not protected; the pawns "protecting" it can't move to light squares due to the opponent's drawback, which is the square that the knight is on.

[@nathankurtz8045]

I was wondering how he saw the check, but not the unprotected knight

[@Optik2]

@@Ender41948 Enemies drawback prevents pawns from capturing on light squares, meaning he could capture the knight to his left

[@Itz_Sophia19]

complaint about testosterone

[@lonelyPorterCH]

No need to comment, game theory proved itself right ;P

[@SharurFoF]

IMO this series has become less interesting as your ELO has gone up and your drawbacks have gotten more severe. I know you're not a coward and all, but I think it would be more interesting if you didn't reveal, or only counter-revealed. More specifically, what I would suggest is to pick a target number of games in a row to win, pick a rating, and then try to win however many games you picked in a row at that rating. If you succeed, bump the rating up and try again. This will be much more doable without always revealing, and won't involve raising the numbers to meaningless levels (as others have noted, the site doesn't actually support arbitrarily high ELO anyway).

[@SharurFoF]

Though actually games 2 and 3 were more interesting than what we've seen in the past couple videos

[@mietschj]

omg hiii

[@sgsanchez90]

fourth?

[@n0150]

second

[@the_president747]

Third

[@killerwithoutcanary]

first