Chieftain's Q&A 18. Guinness, Almond Fingers, and a Revisit to Elbonia

[@dr.sommercamp3435]

One of my patients was a Tiger I gunner back in WW2, someday I asked him how it was serving in this legendary machine. He told me this little story: Once they got stuck under allied fire, teaming up with a bunch of infantrymen. As his loader got injured, he asked one of the guys in cover next to his vehicle, if he want to come in and help him loading, it might be saver for him. But, the soldier said: "No, thanks! They shooting at YOU, not at US! I'm fine!"😉

[@ruddyff]

'I will be working with the French soon' *Forgotten weapons wants to know your location*

[@malebetegrrr5793]

If you want to see them go crazy inside their team, just ask : "Do you say "chocolatine" or "pain au chocolat" ?" (A pure french joke about food couteaux-et-tirebouchons.com/chocolatine-ou-pain-au-chocolat-la-vraie-reponse/ )

[@michelguevara151]

@@malebetegrrr5793 chocolatine bien sur

[@brag0001]

@@michelguevara151 Je n'ai jamais entendu ce mot. Pain au chocolat bien sûre 😉

[@RexKarrs]

@@michelguevara151 Tres bien aussi.

[@myfavoritemartian1]

An ensign was once given a task by the Captain: "Load and stow that cargo on the dock." After 4 hours, the Captain called the Ensign and told him to depend on his men and stop micro managing. The Ensign told the Chief to get the cargo loaded, the Chief turned and took a deep breath...........30 minutes later, the cargo was aboard.

[@Ie_Shima]

14:27 During the invasion of Poland, Armored Train Number 53 of the Polish Army took part in the Battle of Mokra, in which it is accredited for arriving on the field just as a German armored assault from the 4th Panzer division was crossing the rail line. Apparently it wiped most of the assault from the field by firing on the Panzer Is and IIs with its 75mm cannons at point blank range.

[@avokado2888]

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armoured_trains_of_Poland

[@WyrmFodd3r]

Train No 53 did engage vechicles of 4th Panzer division three times during the first day of war, destroing some tanks, routing some more, train got shot in return, one of the 75mm turrets got dammaged, there was amunnition fire (some ammo expolded, but this did not cripple the train), in the end Germans started to dismantle the tracks, so the train withdrew. Train was armed with two 75mm anti armour cannons, two 100mm howitzers, and 19 heavy machienguns. (I have no realible numbers on german losses, only "primary sources" i have right now are memoirs published during soviet era, witch are usually extremly unreallible, they say 104 armoured vechicles and 40 tanks, tanks were supposedly panzer ones and twos)

[@GARDENER42]

@@WyrmFodd3r Fascinating information. Thanks for sharing it.

[@quentintin1]

@@WyrmFodd3r History says the train was sourced from Austria-Hungary, so i doubt the 75mm guns were really anti tank guns, but more likely field guns that had some kind of anti armour munition as even in polish service, the only at gun they had in service was a licenced production of the Bofors 37mm gun, but they had loads of ~75mm field guns from various sources between 1918 and 1939

[@wardasz]

@@quentintin1 They do not even need special AT munitions. For PzI or PzII 75mm HE was more than enough.

[@MandolinMagi]

Air Force Museum: Four huge buildings. It's a legit three-day visit.

[@Shaun_Jones]

I can (just about) see the whole thing in one day to a fairly in-depth degree; but that’s mostly because I can walk fast, don’t need lunch, and know where everything is. Seriously, I’m like the Terminator in search mode when I go there.

[@Attaxalotl]

Oh heck yeah! I'm going in a few weeks!

[@MaxwellAerialPhotography]

6:18 “but thus far the limited feedback I have received from two operators has involved the word garbage.” So what you’re saying is, life continues as normal in the Canadian Army.

[@calvingreene90]

Royal Canadian Navy's adopted Barrett's Privateers as an anthem for a reason as well.

[@justforgaming5059]

I'm in the Canadian infantry, but I have some friends in armored recon that I've never heard complement the TAPV even once

[@jessekorhonen3406]

In finnish the official word for "Tank" (often traslated to just "Tankki") is "Panssarivaunu", literally translated to "Armour wagon", often shortened to just "Panssari" (Armour). During WW2 in use was also a name "Hyökkäysvaunu" (Attack wagon), but as far as I know it hasnt been used since. Nowadays tanks are classified as "Taisteluvaunu" (Battle wagon, similar to MBT in english, for example Leopard 2A6) and "Rynnäkkövaunu" (Assault wagon, for example BMP-2 or Bradley)

[@ComfortsSpecter]

Incredible Historical Insight A Very Bad Supposed English Contemporary It’s just Battle Tank MBT Is too Specific and only Common Casually and-or Proper Formally Used for It’s Inefficient (Illiterate) Definition Ofcourse The Finnish may use Battle Tank as Their stand in for MBT but It’s Objectively not the Same A Bradley Is Literally an MBT Not just Technically, It’s Better Practically as an MBT More as Medium BT It’s Better to not Reproduce This Failure in Finland Though ofcourse: It’s already too late

[@peterstickney7608]

A single reply with a few thoughts - As to the Lada - I've had experience as a civilian working on Soviet Era Russian aircraft, vehicles, and electronics. (So that the only logistics were self-logistics) The statement that you can fix it by poinding on it with a rock is essentially correct - but you need a lot of rocks. My impression is that they tend to be generally simple to fix (for relative levels of simple), but you need to be fixing it often. As to camouflage - a friend of mine who spent a lot of time in the 1970s in the Fulda Gap pointed out that it didn't much matter what camouflage scheme you had the vehicles in - after a half-hour out of the Kaserne, they were all the color of the local dust/mud. About uhm, missing the range and the the Master Gunner calculating probably impact - While my youngest brother (Tank Boy) was in Armor Basic at Ft Knoz in the mid-80s, (M60A3), one of his classmates shot a 5-round series of Sabot Rounds with the system set up for HEAT. The lost shots easily cleared the backstop berm, and, I think a hill. A nice old lady Kentuckian called the post to see if the Army could come out and collect the metal Lawn Darts that showed up in her back yard.

[@Tomek1001]

22:34 A tank in polish is "czołg", wich means - The Crawler. The early ones moved at slow speed, they crawled.

[@amuslockhart519]

"if it didnt land anywhere important, who cares?" Irish Genius!

[@WalkaCrookedLine]

My first thought was EOD. Then it registered he's talking about a training range and I suppose they use some sort of non-exploding practice rounds for training.

[@Joelsfilmer]

If we're renaming the tank I propose a slightly poetic translation of the Swedish word. 𝓑𝓪𝓽𝓽𝓵𝓮 𝓒𝓱𝓪𝓻𝓲𝓸𝓽

[@_nanking5374]

or we could just use swedish. Their abbreviations for tanks and their ammunition are glorious word spaghettis. stridsfordon stridsvagn, pansarvarnsluftvarnsvagn, etc.

[@LankyAssMofka]

@@_nanking5374 🤯 I hope they are at least pronounced how they look

[@mooneyes2k478]

@@_nanking5374 Pansarvarnslavettvagn, actually. Not that that thing ever existed, it's entirely made up. Well, sort of, there was a very rudimentary testing of something, later leading to the Fm/43 anti-air vehicle. Anyways, when it comes to the name, at least "anti-armor mounting carriage" makes a bit more sense.

[@filmandfirearms]

@@LankyAssMofka Swedish is pretty easy to read, actually. Just try Polish and you will appreciate the Germanic simplicity of the Norse languages

[@otohikoamv]

I just want to take a moment to appreciate the term "doing a Drach", which definitely made me fall off my chair!

[@womble321]

He is famous in his own lunchtime. No I don't know what it means my Grandfather used to say it!

[@LankyAssMofka]

@@womble321 old saying meaning he's well know among his peers or in Drachs case the relatively small group of us interested in listening to in depth military history / military hardware history/mechanics/development.

[@CaptainSeato]

"I'm not going to let you sit through [a multiple-hour-Q&A]." BUT I WANNA :v

[@njake19]

For finding where the rounds went, it is to help ensure it landed where no one else was present. Also, if it was a service round like HEAT, we have to locate it and ensure it denotated. Otherwise, it becomes an UXO and time to call out EOD. From C92.

[@qunt2742]

15:54 "This strikes me as being the sort of question which can only be answered by pulling a figure out of the fourth point of contact" I love that

[@Styvistan]

The most interesting Guinness I´ve had was in The Gambia in 2015. They have a local brewery there (as a legacy from colonial times) and as I attended a wedding held at a Joint Officers´ Mess, I was served cold Guinness in a champagne glass...

[@alanfhall6450]

I can remember drinking bottled (local) Guinness in a tin shack in Kumasi, Ghana in 1992 whilst sheltering from a riot during the presidential election.

[@ScottKenny1978]

Guinness being served cold is useful. You wait till it has warmed up to 50-55⁰F, aka cellar temperature and it's great.

[@bigblue6917]

With some of Drach's Patreons Q&As this would be barely warmings up

[@ApostasyUnlimited]

I love Drach's 5+ hours Q&As

[@davidbrennan660]

You do have to send the men to dinner first before engaging a Drach Fleet Action at the beginning of a month.

[@bigblue6917]

@@ApostasyUnlimited Fine way to spend a wet evening. Come summer though not so much.

[@bigblue6917]

@@davidbrennan660 Dinner? Could send them off on fleet manoeuvres.

[@bigblue6917]

@Edgar Miller Biremes, triremes, penteconters the lot. And how many of us would be surprised if he could name the crew.

[@Zyme86]

When going to a class at Oregon years ago I spoke to an elderly man who was auditing a geography course. Turned out he was a loader for a Panther tank and only survived because they noticed just before Kursk that their barrel had taken damage and would have detonated any round fired.

[@andyc3088]

When i was trained as a cheiftain gunner we, were taught indirect firing using a HESH round. Regarding of were a round went it was funny when someone firing an APDS round on the HESH scale!

[@peteranderson037]

I second the comment about TF Lafayette in Afghanistan. The "never fired, only dropped once" meme is just that, a meme. The problem, as always, is with the politicians and highest tier of their military bureaucracy. Though that can be said about a lot of armed forces in a lot of countries.

[@nk_3332]

A German friend once commented that the French military was brave, capable and tenacious but suffered by facing the one force for all their skill they could not overcome and had a track record of destroying them for over a century and a half: The French Government

[@jimmehjiimmeehh9748]

@@nk_3332 "The problem, as always, is with the politicians and highest tier of their military bureaucracy." At least for WW1 and 2 this is not true and is actually a pro French myth. A nice example is the Battle of Sedan, in which pro French revisionists like to claim the reason the French retreated from Sedan before the Germans even arrived was because General Lafontaine moved his HQ which caused "confusion and panic". Except the whole reason he moved his HQ in the first place was because the 55th had already started to retreat en mass and he was trying to rally them. French might be lions right now, but they were not in the first half of the 20th century.

[@peterstickney7608]

@@jimmehjiimmeehh9748 They were certainly lions in 1914-1915. Given the level of communication and recon available at the time, a mobile force from an unexpected direction, even on foot, is an almost insurnountable opponent. As it evolved, their recon/intelligence doctrine - particularly aerial photoreconnaisance, and the artillery doctrine that tied to it, was the basis for the U.S. Army interwar and WW2 artillery command and conrtrol organization. Where the French lost out in the Interwar period was that they didn't update their Command, Control, and Communication beyond mid-1918. The pace of battle had increased - particularly a mobile battle, if you were unfortunate enought to be meeting one of the relatively few German Armored/Motorized formations, while the French Army's command system was still at a walking pace. Remember - The losers generally aren't as bad as the victors think they are, nor are teh victors as good as they think they are.

[@jimmehjiimmeehh9748]

@@peterstickney7608 I wish I knew how broken minds like yours work. I mean I bring up a specific example and you respond with an aside which is incorrect and even if it had been true is irrelevant, a generalisation which is both wrong and is disproven by the example I mention so nonsensical to even mention and then follow it all up with an empty platitude that had nothing to do with anything said by either of us up to that point. What on earth..?

[@johnegan7622]

@@jimmehjiimmeehh9748 Go watch The Great War channel, please. Your ignorance of the French military is Rumsfeld-like.

[@f-xdemers2825]

The point with the Azimut chart uses on the range is maybe to be able to find and retrieve unexploded HE rounds or other suprised rich ammunition which went astray.

[@littlefatso]

"Not convinced by the TAPV..." Hey there, 10 Years Canadian Infantry (2009-2020) here. Can confirm, it has its good points but, overall, its very much an enigma as a piece of kit...like something decided on in committee rather than something with a lot of practical consideration or input.

[@Krzysztof.l.Polak.84]

15:10 There is at least one incident in `39 campaign, when German tanks from 4th PzDiv were stopped by Polish armored train during battle of Mokra; Polish Cav. Bde was supported by armoured train no. 53 "Śmiały" pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C5%9Amia%C5%82y_(poci%C4%85g_pancerny) According to this, this one train had at least one more encounter with German tank froce apart from this battle. In general, Poles considered trains as regular combat units - were aware of their obsolescence, but in our conditions this was still very useful weapon, approx. battery of field artillery, higly mobile (in its restrictions), usually with small inf. and tank support... I`m pretty sure, that Soviets would also have some examples of direct fights between their arm trains and panzers.

[@MrCrazySpike]

Germans got harassed so much by those Polish trains they created their own armored train task force. From wiki "Poland used armoured trains extensively during the invasion of Poland. One observer noted that "Poland had only few armoured trains, but their officers and soldiers were fighting well. Again and again they were emerging from a cover in thick forests, disturbing German lines".[21] One under-appreciated aspect of so many Polish armoured trains being deployed during the Polish Defensive War in 1939 is that when German planes attacked the railroads, it was usually the tracks themselves. As late as September 17, three fresh divisions in the east were moved westward by train. On September 18, three more divisions followed. This in turn prompted Nazi Germany to reintroduce armoured trains into its own armies."

[@phaeronseherekh1754]

@@MrCrazySpike As I recall the Germans had armored trains during WW1 and were thus aware of them to the point of considering making them in the interwar years afterwards, once in poland they had captured and made a few (presumably because the reports reminded the higher ups that they existed) along with sticking with the WW2 axis tradition of capturing and using more or less anything they could. After going to read said wiki it is also notably poorly sourced in the sense its missing a fair few.

[@AgentB7]

It looks like “chariot” or “carriage” is the most popular non-“tank” term of tank, so I can imagine it being adopted worldwide. In English it might be “armored carriage” or maybe simply “armo” or something, not unlike German “Panzer”. In Russia, “tyazholaya bronemashina”, “heavy armored machine”, might have been used.

[@fabiogalletti8616]

In italia is "carro armato", so chariot with weapons - "armato" has no connection to armor or any kind of protection.

[@iabnatgeo]

@@fabiogalletti8616 Swedish: stridsvagn = battle wagon/battle truck

[@gregowens6165]

Hey Chieftan. Enjoy your videos. As a Sheridan tanker in the 82nd ABN, we had tables for indirect fire using the 152mm gun on the Sheridan. No HE. Just used HEAT.

[@ScottKenny1978]

Interesting. I mean, it's not like the 152mm HEAT is a small boom, so it makes some sense. But the idea of lobbing a 152mm seems odd...

[@tarjei99]

A thing to remember is that Von Seeckt required that officers in the German Army had to have a techical education. That probably had an effect that was not expected by anyone else.

[@Freedomfred939]

According to the Organization of Army Ground forces volume of the "Green Book" series the Army tested the effectiveness of camouflage uniforms and found their usefulness was defeated by movement. Since the Army that was being built had to be offensive in nature the additional cost was not warranted. (Notice the fancy helmet camouflage in the band of Brothers on Dday compared to the helmets near the end). I suspect the Army had the same opinion on painted vehicle camouflage. Later in the war the Army Airforce also quit painting airplanes in order to save several hundred pounds of weight in exchange for 10 MPH of improved speed. I imagine their was savings in production cost as well. When the Army went from the simple green fatigues to the BDU my uniform costs went from under $10 a set to nearly $100 per set. And the BDU was not permanent press, hard to iron, was hot and had the goofy collar. And my superiors could still find me.

[@billd.iniowa2263]

Just wanted to thank you for your time. It really is appreciated.

[@ericgrace9995]

I'm not sure whether or not this counts but one of the two times that Americans engaged Tigers in the French campaign was when an American armoured car recon unit surprised a train being loaded with Tigers that were being shipped back to Germany for repair. The dismounted crews tried desperately to remount but we're driven off by concentrated MG and 37 mm fire. The Americans were able to disable the train and capture it's cargo of Tigers. So armoured cars took on a train...loaded with tanks.!

[@KevinSmith-ys3mh]

Something seems odd about that story. I assume it was an American combat sector in the line of advance where this occurred, the Tigers are damaged such that they required rear area depot repairs, yet no previous US forces engagements are reported? How weird! Did the train just stop for lunch and tea on the way from loading up in the UK forces sector after combat recovery? An outbreak of very bad driving into ravines or rivers? Lucky hits by air attacks? 🤔😉

[@m4sturb33f]

I got way to excited seeing this while im working

[@JoshuaC923]

I would like to say a big thank you Chieftain, really appreciate you spending many hours of your week working to keep us entertained

[@wardasz]

About tanks vs armored train battle - on 1st of september '39 near Mokra polish cavalry brigade was attack by german panzer divizion. Polish forces (dismounted and heavy fortified) hold them for an entire day, destroing 76 tanks. Besides using integral artilery and AT guns, brigade was reinforced by armored train armed with 2x75mm guns and 2x100mm houtizers. Due to the fact that polish defence line was set along the railway line, train have pretty good mobility, and it's fire was very efective against german tanks. Here some basic links, hooks for those who want to search some more: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Mokra en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C5%9Amia%C5%82y_(armoured_train)

[@just_one_opinion]

What happened to the train? Did it get stuka-d?

[@wardasz]

@@just_one_opinion If I remember correctly (and I base on the book "Honor żołnierza 1939" by Bogusław Wołoszański - he is more of the journalist than historian, so the book may not be 100% accurate, but but it is not based on data pulled out of someone's arse either) the Luftwaffe does attack (using stukas) and part of the planes aimed on the train, but AA fire (including those 100mm howitzers use in AA role, despite the lack of proper AA sights) made a attack pretty unefective. According to the wiki page I linked, train retreat after the battle and than participle in other action, also including tank vs train combat. Fighting on bouth fronts, it end service in Lviv, captured by the soviets when town's garrison surrender. From looking on the polish wiki: -on 1 of september it support the cavalry twice, bouth time destroing several tanks. -later than day it meet with "column" of the german mechanized battalion (1 bat of the 12 mechanized regiment). Not sure if it was a full batalion or only part of it, not sure if the train was alone of have any support. Train engage a german units when they was preparing for an attack and force them to retreat, but take heavy damage (on of 75mm out of action, fire on the amunition platform) and retreat himself too. -next thay it once more support the cavalry, but from the way it is written i guess it was indirect fire support. It retreat when germans bring "an entire [unit] of heavy artilery" I'm not 100% how to translate the unit size, but from really brief look - battalion-size artilery unit. -between 5 and 10 september it was on patrol duty together with other train, being rerouted sever timed due to railway damage. No mention about any combat here -on 14 it participate in the defense of Zabinki, near Brześć nad Bugiem. It support infantry, repeling the attack of tanks form 10 panzer divizion. -after that, it move east, performing fire support several times. Around 18 of september it get into a Lviv, with two other trains When Lviv surrender on 22 of september, train was abandoned by the crew. It was taken by Russians and called BEPO 75, serving in 75 regiment of 10 NKWD divizjon. On 7 of july 1941 it was taken by Germans, serving under name Pz Zug 10. It participle in the fight around Stalingrad and was probably destroyed there, although it was officially removed from the list of equipment only in june '44.

[@Sir.Craze-]

The Canadian AFV thing looks bloody amazing! Sadly, I think we all know that's only #4 on the list of importance. Right behind "does it have an external audio system for ambush tunes." And infront of "Kettle, Tea."

[@frankgulla2335]

Fascinating talk again, sir. Nicely done. Love the small details you know about when it comes to armor.

[@dmorgs4]

The “hello” at the start of a radio call is to allow a delay in getting to the meaningful bit of the message and allow the transmission to break squelch, particularly important with older analogue encryption but just as useful in preventing retransmission and all that entails. As explained to me by my pommy radio instructor on squadron exchange in merry England

[@jamesharding3459]

4:02 My word, this sounds far more fun than company golf.

[@yalelingoz6346]

Thank you for these Q and As I love how precisely you frame you answer. And I love that by answering 'The merit of indirect fire equipment on tanks' you indirectly answered a question I've been meaning to ask any of my tanker mates when I caught up with them in real life. I was curious if they felt a loss of range capability when going from the 105 rifle to the 120 smoothbore for HE fire support. But knowing that they probably don't have 120 HE rounds, that question is answered.

[@JessWLStuart]

Howdy Chieftain! Would you consider giving us a tour of the items on your book case?

[@TheFirstVonGunther]

There is a tale of an armored train running front line support for the Fins during the Winter War. Machine guns and cannon. I read it in A Frozen Hell by William R. Trotter.

[@bigblue6917]

Thanks vongunther

[@THX11458]

One of the biggest inconstancy of data about famous tank that I've seen is the thickness of the Tiger's gun mantlet. It's often stated as 100mm in both German and Allied document (although a few German sources state 120mm). As far as I know, it wasn't until Jentz and Doyle actually measured various Tiger's mantlet thickness in the 1990's that it was discovered that it ranged from 90mm (edges) to as much as 145mm (reinforced sections) with an average thickness of about 135mm. For a detailed graphic, Bird & Livingston have a nice diagram of the Tiger's mantlet in their book "World War II Ballistics: Armor & Gunnery in their chapter "Special Cast Areas" page-33.

[@Sedan57Chevy]

Another great (first part of a) Q&A! These really are wonderful to watch: the perfect combination of interesting history, intriguing personal opinions and experiences, and fantastic dry humor. Can't wait for part two! On a side note, I live a few hours north of Ft. Benning and it's super frustrating that the collection isn't/wasn't more available (I can understand the recent restrictions given Covid). One of my dad's bucket list dreams is to see a Tiger in person, and it'd be great to be able to see the one at Benning with him sooner rather than later...

[@HanSolo__]

22:35 Poles call it "crawler" in Polish "czołg". The older (Polish) word "tank" to call a tank would still work tho.

[@alltat]

In Swedish it's a "stridsvagn", which translates to battle wagon or chariot. The word "pansarvagn" (armored wagon) is often used by civilians.

[@core3086]

In Norwergian its "Stridsvogn" more or less same as the Swedes. IFV is "stormpanservogn" Storm(as in fast/quick) armoured wagon.

[@brag0001]

In German it's "Panzer", which is essentially the word for a specific type of armor. Funny enough that's also the German word for turtle shells 😉

[@Kumimono]

In Finnish, a bit boring taisteluvaunu, or panssarivaunu. Combat wagon or armored wagon or "panzer wagon", same root word. Taistelupanssarivaunu is also... a long word. :) Panssaritaistelutelaketjuajoneuvo is probably not in use, but, seems grammatically correct, which is the best kind of correct. And of course, panssaritaistelutelaketjuajoneuvohuoltoaliupseerioppilas is the NCO trying to learn the maintenance of armored tracked combat vehicles. I'm being silly here. :)

[@fazole]

@@brag0001 Schildkröte just doesn't sound as cool 😎.

[@pieguy7157]

Missed opportunity not calling this The EMIEs Strike Back

[@kriztov265]

Having been lucky to have enjoyed Guinness in several different countries , I can attest that the best ive ever sampled was in Ireland . Here in Australia the tinned product from Ireland is as close as you can get unless its on tap and its fresh. Even in Ireland unless your drinking it in a pub where its turned over regularly you can get a bad pint. The staff at the factory in Dublin told us if it doesnt taste right complain !! Stout or porter in general is an acquired taste which makes it hard to get it on tap in most small pubs. Best pint I had outside of Ireland was in an irish pub in New Orleans called Boondock Saints. Worst was in a pub in Tokyo ..... didnt even finish it and went back to local beers which are awesome.

[@bigwrenchgarage1360]

Very glad I was able to see the Aberdeen tank collection years ago. Was shocking to see them out in the field, but great to see in person. The small arms collection was unbelievable. Missed my chance to get a pic with Dr. Atwater, would've loved one with him wearing the white gloves while holding the Sho-Sho.

[@AbleOneOne]

30:05 Actually I think it was the Soviet T-28, just depends what we call "wider than one man", you know, the T-28 was a wide tank, just the driver's position was really narrow, but none the less his seat was centrally located

[@Shaun_Jones]

In that case it would probably be the British MK-3 medium.

[@thegodofhellfire]

thanks again, looking forward to next week's part 2. 🤙

[@bogdanvino]

As to tank battles in Donbass at 36:00, there definitely were at least some tank-on-tank engagements, and tank deployment by at least one side was quite prolific across the entire theatre. I can't be very specific off the top of my head, both because I am aware of this mostly by virtue of being from Ukraine rather than deliberately tracking it, and because the sources there are are mostly in Ukrainian, which probably wouldn't be very helpful to most people gathered here. That being said, the battle at Debaltseve is one prominent example of armoured action. Both sides deployed tank formations there, and fighting was quite intense, so you can put two and two together there. For a bit more robust proof, I managed to find one article in English that has an eyewitness account mentioning at least a "small tank battle" m.dw.com/en/ukrainian-forces-withdraw-from-debaltseve/a-18265259 Ukrainian Wikipedia article on this battle has a more detailed account of engagements, if anyone is able to make use of that here

[@domacios]

1991, Croatian patriotic war, battle for Dubrovnik, Croatian t55 took a shot against a rocket gunship of jna navy which was moving in zig zag line shoting at targets on the shore. Tank scored two direct hits after which the gunship disengaged and leaving the thick smoke trail returned to harbor of Boka Kotorska. Note that the tank and its crew were transfered from plains of slavonia just few days before the engagement as part of reinforcement for 1st guard brigade engaged with Serbian army, so no training or adjustment to the conditions of mountain armour warfere or target practice for maritime targets...

[@davidodonovan1699]

"Nothing goes down faster in a drinking race." Guinness is a thick drink, have you tried chugging Heineken? It's wayyy easier. Yes I know from repeated experience. Greetings from the Republic of Ireland btw. You're a legend. Covid 19 won last years all Ireland in both the hurling and the football.

[@SindriTheReaper]

Been waiting way to long for this. Great job, Saint Nick!

[@calibear569]

About armoured trains vs tanks. There are several accounts of it from September 1939. Poland used quite a lot of armoured trains and for example one called Śmiały destroyed tanks on at least two occasions.

[@bigblue6917]

Thanks, ScaleCraft. I recently returned to studying armoured trains after several years away from the subject. I'll have to keep an eye out for that train. Difficult part at the moment seems to be getting hold of anything on Polish armoured trains.

[@calibear569]

@@bigblue6917 Maybe I can help. Just let me know of which languages the books can be?

[@rrobb9853]

I used to live next to a German chap who went through the whole war driving tanks. To clarify, he served 1939-45 but had (genuinely, though it sounds strange) a year away from the front, in 1943, to complete his university studies. That likely helped him survive. Looking at war memoirs, even fit German tank crew could be rotated back to Germany for training courses, rest, collecting equipment, etc.

[@DaKea90]

Concerning the question of armored trains: There is a document from the German 521st tank destroyer battalion in the archive of the Russian Ministry of Defence Open for public usage on the ministry's website. The battalion's commander wrote it to assess the suitability of the tank destroyer Dicker Max in its role. He mentions one skirmish of the two Dicker Max' against an armoured train. The train managed to retreat to behind a forest as the two tank destroyers were too slow to reach their positions for effective fire on the it

[@petergordon9190]

I could make an argument that the first tank (equivalent) was the Late Imperial Roman Carroballista.

[@ES90344]

The Guard here in VT has a nice little museum I'd recommend if you ever make it up here. They have a couple interesting vehicles on display, and a couple brdm-2 variants behind a fence.

[@alexanderhartmann7950]

What's wrong with 5 hours of Q&A?

[@neuroshrink]

The Fort Sill Artillery Museum is really quite impressive, and Oklahoma is the next State North.

[@roycspary8923]

having thelargely pleasurable experience of working in San Diego for 2 years in 6 month blocks, the first bitof salvation was finding moose head, which at least has some taste, which the American copy budwater does not howeverbalboa park was heaven on earth for me with several excellent museums. spending an entire afternoon walking past 3 aircraft carriers tied up in a line made me appreciate just how huge they are on my second trip I discovered asmall pub tucked away about 5 blocks away, sodeliverence was at hand and most weekends I went their guiness was worse thathat in new zealand where there are a couple of pubs that have learnt how to dellar it. treating it like any other beer is vandalism one can taste. sadly being 1/4 irish i have neve rgot to ireland and as a disabled pensioner, never will, but the guiness I had ofrom a pub just across the road from wimboldon common was the best everbeing freeto take my pint and go look for wombles, none found on a hot sunny day also helped, so sorry but lageris a germanicperversion, at leastpertlycaused byadapting to long cold winters. they found what worked in a very cold cellar, a+ forpersistance and adaptabiliy. the only beers to rival it are Chimay and a coffee chocklate stout made in auckland that the supermarkets stopped selling as theycould move more lolly water and this stuff had a a taste profile like a wine waith an initial tastethe coffee came out mid taste abd the chockolatewas thefinish the dowwnside was the high alchohol content!

[@davelewis3255]

I got interested in armor modeling in the mid 70s (unusual hobby for a USN veteran) and at that time Aberdeen was one of the few places that had a large collection of armor on display. Even in those far off days most of the vehicles were outside and in pretty rough shape. I was given to understand that many of the foreign vehicles - particularly the German ones - were non standard and had been brought back to the states because of some interesting or unusual feature. Open top vehicles were pretty far gone and most of the exterior bits and pieces on all of the vehicles such as headlights , antennas, tools and latches had been removed or rusted away. Climbing on the vehicles or even working off a step ladder to get overhead pictures was strictly verboten. I came away with the feeling that nobody really cared about those rusty old lumps of iron that sat out in the field fifty years ago and I can only imagine what the remaining vehicles look like today. Some such as the M-6 heavy are extremely rare and the fate of that collection is truly a shame. I taught industrial safety for many years and attended a training session on lead paint abatement about 25 years ago. The instructor told a story about the Leopold railroad gun that used to sit at Aberdeen. He said that unlike many of the tanks, the gun had been reasonably well maintained and painted with lead based paint every couple of years. The old paint was chipped off and the debris just sank into the ground under the gun. APG had some serious EPA problems in the 80s and 90s and an environmental survey indicated that the soil under Anzio Annie presented a major hazard. The base is located on the Chesapeake Bay watershed so anything that is spilled on the ground ends up in the bay and eventually floats down to Washington DC. Not good.

[@rentAscout]

I actually have experience with cannon rounds going off the range. Stationed in Korea doing gunnery on a very worn out M3A1, my Bradley malfunctioned and sent rounds towards North Korea. While firing, the early Hughes computer died and sent the 25mm to max elevation. Funny enough, the TC was also the master gunner. He sent his calculations up the chain and to my surprise the incident was completely ignored. Like Chieftain said, nothing happens if nothing important was hit.

[@dana696danass6]

hussite wagons were usualy used as mobile fortifications. but at kutna hora were used in atacking role

[@faeembrugh]

Always go with attachment to French units. Their rations are top notch plus lots of wine!

[@colbeausabre8842]

The gallant French think so much of their wine, that they developed vinogel, a jelly like substance which if added to water produced some similar to Le Pinard, which has fueled the French Army from the gates of Moscow to Mexico City. It was even air dropped at Dien Bien Phu and when some landed outside the perimeter, Le Legion mounted a raid so they had wine, or something rather like it, on Camerone Day. What did it taste like....I read an account by a Viet Minh officer who said if you added enough sugar, it wasn't bad “One item often mentioned in veteran accounts was Vinogel. Nicknamed "Tiger Blood," this was a concentrated red wine reduced to one-third volume, with the alcohol content titrated to preserve its alcohol level. It was gelled, like a hard packed jelly (about the consistency of a can of Sterno) and you were supposed to mix one part Vinogel with two parts water to get your wine. Troops in the field - especially Legionnaires - disdained such niceties and mixed it one-to-one (or less) or ate it straight from the can. It was said to "give a wonderful drunk." Production of Vinogel was discontinued sometime around 1960. “ On 30 April, as the historian Bernard Fall[5] relates, the legionnaires of the 13eme demi-brigade were faced with the prospect of celebrating Camerone with just one miserable bottle of wine per platoon. Then word came through that two crates of vinogel were among the para-drop that had fallen into no man’s land opposite them that day. A recovery party was put together (everyone volunteered one veteran remembered) led by a Major Coutant. To ensure the safe retrieval of the crates, the legionnaires first had to head over to the enemy lines and destroy several bunkers, a task that was completed with plastic explosives and 10 enemy killed and many wounded for no loss of their own. The vinogel was recovered and day’s celebrations were saved.” Check out “Field Rations Around the World” Combat rations of 20 armies around the world revealed | Daily Mail Online

[@Crimsonedge1]

UK squaddies prefer Lager. Especially the boys from back in the day from the Army of The Rhein. There was a brand known as Herforder Pills which were brewed in a place in Germany called Herford and it came in a yellow box of 10 bottles that the lads named the "yellow handbag". That brand was a particular favourite of the members of the 1st armoured division.

[@pavelskrylnikov9658]

15:09 You are right, there actually were some accounts of armored trains fighting against tanks. At least one soviet armored train "Za Stalina", or armored train №1 built by Kolomna locomotive factory, was lost near Gzhatsk (today Gagarin) on 10 or 11 October 1941 in encounter with SS Das Reich StuGs. Tragically, after one lucky penetration (or a bomb from the Stuka) one of the platforms detonated like HMS Hood. In June 1942 armored train "Zheleznyakov" engaged a column of german tanks near Sevastopol, according to Wiki, destroying three. Both of those encounters, howewer, happened when Wehrmacht advanced quickly, faster than Red Army retreated or build a proper defence. So, that doesn't really counts as "used against", more like "met in action".

[@cheyannei5983]

Re:Guinness The reason it doesn't travel well is the very low ABV. It's not alcoholic enough to keep itself fresh like other beers. I was told by a friend that's the reason why the foreign stout is so much higher ABV. I also prefer normal draught Guinness, so.

[@cheyannei5983]

@hognoxious idk, DFW international has it airlifted from Dublin I've been told.

[@markchisholm2657]

I work in Baku, Azerbaijan and various AFV's have beeb displayed post conflict. It would seem that the majority have been destroyed by drone attacks with what is obviously devastating consequences.

[@watcherzero5256]

Most recent Armour vs Armour conflict was actually during 2020, the war between Armenia and Azerbaijan, upto 400 tanks destroyed between the two sides but mostly by airstrikes and artillery. In particular a Turkish suicide drone called Kargu supplied to Azerbaijan that kamikazed the tops of the tanks to deliver a payload of explosives proved particularly effective against Armenian tanks. Its a 15lb helicopter drone 2ft by 2ft that can fly at upto 90kph for 30 minutes or 5km and is autonomous or radio controlled carrying either impact fuse or airburst charges, they are used in swarms of a dozen or more to saturate air defences targeting AA vehicles first and then moving on to the other vehicles in the column. Theres also a fixed wing mortar launched version called Alpagu but it only carries a 500-600g payload and has less powerful cameras.

[@halo43v3r7777]

As someone who spends their time perusing scale model forums I can attest that they seem to be an unlikely source of extremely detailed information regarding camouflages and paint schemes of armored vehicles or, more often in my case, ship camouflages. It seems as though the answer to the question of "What camo scheme did this vehicle/ship have at this date/time." seems to be "it depends". Vehicles and ships tended to have guidelines regarding painting but often these didn't resemble anything like hard and fast rules. Also they weren't often near central supply depots, so they couldn't always rely on having open access to the latest and greatest paint mixes. And keep in mind that this was war and they often had other more pressing issues on their minds, so sometimes they would just go with whatever worked best at that time.

[@blakewinter1657]

'Tanks and ships aren't supposed to engage each other, but they did.' Really? When?

[@karenstein8261]

I recall an account of a Sherman tossing shells at a Japanese destroyer during Guadalcanal - without direct effect, but upsetting a landing attempt.

[@LukeBunyip]

IIRC Battle of France (1940).

[@ScottKenny1978]

Korea, definitely.

[@smka1719]

In terms of infrantry soldiers on engine deck- in Polish booklet titled "We. Drivers of a tanks" I have found war story about T-34 engine overheating due soldiers which seat on tank engine deck (important note- soldiers use coats as it's wearing). When soldiers changed it's position on tank fron "seating" into "staying", engine overheating problem was eliminated. In terms of bow gunner- Polish army in postwar era used T-34-85 tanks without bow gunner (extra ammo rack instead bow gunner seat). In these tanks bow MG worked as fixed MG. Even in Polish T-34-85M manual from 60ties we have info about 4 crewmembers in T-34-85 tank (driver in hull and rest tankers in turret).

[@squidgunslinger3169]

The German Armoured train PanzerZug 32 was ambushed by a detachment of French Tank Destroyers in Berain-sur-dheune station. After a fight lasting several hoyrs Pz32 was abandoned, probably due to the tracks been blocked and it couldn't withdraw

[@chigichigrizund5311]

Thank you, Chieftain.

[@xXxTripleHxXx]

You could use the Comet chassi to mount an occilating turret together with a bigger gun as an interim sollution preferably together with the 100mm gun already suggested by the Chief

[@ThroneOfBhaal]

11:48 That camo pattern actually looks really good! Going to have to model that now. :O

[@Indy-qm4ev]

If you're interested in Polish tanks are called Crawlers (Czołg) from the word czołgać.

[@Riceball01]

I find that Guiness tastes best when it comes from a tap, it doesn't taste quite as good from a can or bottle, especially from a can. But I was lucky enough to actually have a Guiness in Ireland once, and on St. Patrick's Day no less. This was back when I was in the Corps and my unit got to go to Operation Battle Griffin in Norway and we had a brief layover in Ireland and I had enough time to grab a Guiness at the bar in the airport. It was my first time having a Guiness and I've loved them ever since.

[@logicbomb5511]

9:00 "this is a personal career bummer" is why this dude its golden, a national treasure!!! Which state guard are you with these days im joining just to serve under you no shit! TELL ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[@herveblanche226]

Try a summer shandy. Leinenkugel. They used the 75's on the M4s for indirect fire. The were actually burning the barrels out because of the volume of fire.

[@notbotheredable]

Re: armoured trains; the Poles used a few armoured trains vs tanks. See Forzyk's Case White for details.

[@carsontodd2443]

I recall when I was in OSUT at Benning, there was fenced off area near where we were on sand hill that had old and rusted out tanks. Sadly I never got a chance to get a closer look, probably never will sadly.

[@AsbestosMuffins]

What you described for the tank museum is basically what the AF did for their museum, 4-5 giant hangers with AC built on publically accessable land, though it does still sit on an Airforce Base, they just sort of fenced out that area. I can see why the army probably never bothered with an armor collection though, they have had too many vehicles to ever fully catalogue and they have less of a need for a reference collection than say the airforce who has a habit of obtaining foreign fighters as well as retaining large piles of their own, but its also sad that with the wide availability of suitable land and old army bases, they never thought to just convert one to a proper collection space and convince a senator or two to get some funds to get the whole thing up and running

[@robvandepol6590]

When the need overrides the desire i can supply you almond fingers from New Zealand. They are however of the Dutch variety.

[@xxxlonewolf49]

I, personally, enjoy the long videos. While I do enjoy the inserted pictures and such, someone could just listen to this as a pod-cast and get 99.99% of all the information and detail.

[@sae1095hc]

Platoon leaders rode in the back (supposed to at least) of 113s and always dismounted (again, supposed to). My platoon leaders in Bradleys almost never lead the dismounts. The platoon sgt and squad leaders rarely dismounted either. The 12 to 16 ground troops were usually lead by a spare E-5. I always thought that we never had enough ground pounders to do much infantrying. A "company" that can deploy only 40-50 grunts is only big enough to secure the vehicles, at least that's what I thought at the time (late 80s)

[@mortyjhones4068]

24:52 Chief in one of your tank talks, about amrican armoured doctrine, you serjest that during the development of the american heavy tank program the logistis office reported that they could Ship 4 M4's for every one of the proposed heavies. I would there for propose that the reduction in tank companies from 5 to 4 was a simple case of logistical nesesity, as they could ship a company at a time and not need to split such a formation across several ships.

[@rare_kumiko]

In French and Spanish, tanks are also called carriages or chariots. In French it's "Char d'assault" (assault chariot) and in Spanish it's "Carro de combate" (combat carriage). afaik, in both languages you often use just the first word, char/carro. The Germans of course use Panzer (Panzerkampfwagen), translating to armour (armoured fighting vehicle). As weird as it sounds in English nowadays, I believe the French name might have stuck given that they also used tanks a lot in WW1.

[@ulissedazante5748]

In Italian is "carriage", too. Carro armato - ~ armed chariot, carriage with weapons.

[@heirofaniu]

"You can't exactly grind away a half inch of armor." Give me a bottle of rum and about 50 flap discs and I'll have it done by the end of the day.

[@grzegorzwolsztyniak6233]

September 39, Poland, Battle at Mokra village, an armoured train engaged tanks from German's 4th Panzer Division.

[@jonathancoetzer6937]

Thank you sir excellent as always

[@DaremoKamen]

I read something once that said the hardest part to hide of a Tank was the shadow under it and that there were efforts to hide it by mounting a light or lights on the underside of the tank. The theory sounds good but I can see all sorts of practical problems.

[@justforever96]

Ah I thought as much. The round didnt go DOWN the M4s barrel, it struck the muzzle. That is much more believable than a shell on exactly the correct trajectory to enter the barrel.

[@askingstuff]

It is remarkably fitting that I'm watching this while having Bushmills.

[@Platinumsniper]

The taste of Guinness is definitely different outside of Ireland, it can also be attributed to the fact that no one on this side of the pond knows how to properly pour a Guinness

[@mikemurley8656]

M4s were used in the indirect fire role in Italy according to my late father. I thought there was a photo in the CMH US Army in WWII Series Special Study "Three Battles - Arnaville, Altuzzo, and Schmidt" but I was wrong. I had one I used in my presentation on the battle for 7th ATC staff rides, but those files are lost in the mists of time.

[@stephend50]

If you're ever in Michigan, Wolverine Brewing in Ann Arbor only produces lagers. We're east of that Fort Custer place

[@Disanthrophobia]

35:40 The Donbas War did see a number of tank clashes, just no large unit fights. It also saw a T-64 get killed by a direct fire 122mm HE round, though its unknown if that was from an SPG or towed gun. Syria has seen few (4 or 5) tank on tank actions. First was a rebel T-72 with a 2 man crew which killed a T-62 and most recent was a government T-72 killing a rebel T-90.

[@PobortzaPl]

Polish armoured train Śmiały aka armoured train number 53 destroyed "few German tanks" (I have no details how many and of what type) during an engagement known as battle of Mokra on 1st of September 1939. Also I couldn't find how that train destroyed those tanks. Train was armed with 2 75mm cannons (barrel of 30 calibers length) and 2 100mm howitzers (barrel of 24 calibers length) and it used 2 Renault FT and 5 TK-3 tankettes.

[@keithplymale2374]

In the background writings by GDW for the game Assault there was discussion of the move to 5 to 4 and why they did not go to 3. I think they referenced US Army manuals and articles in professional magazines in the discussion.

[@stephenbritton9297]

Tanks Vs Ships... I've heard several stories of everything from DD's to Iowa class taking on tanks - rather one sidedly - during the Korean war. NK also ran steam trains along the coast and their fireboxes at night gave them away to patrolling DD's. During the Anzio invasion, my dad's DD, along with its DESRON mates did also provide anti-tank fire support for the grunts.

[@colbeausabre8842]

I remember reading some place that the Germans fired on British DD's evacuating some French port (Not Dunkerque). At Salerno, naval gunfire, especially the Brooklyn class light cruisers (15, that's right, 15 6-inch guns, capable of firing a broadside of 100 pound shells every 6 seconds. A US infantry division had 12 155mm (6.1 inch) howitzers, firing 95 pound shells at a rate of one per minute) stopped the German counterattack when it looked like it was going to throw the American troops back into the sea. The HQ on land radioed "Thank God for the US Navy" Brooklyn class CL's en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brooklyn-class_cruiser Savannah survived a 2 tonne Fritz-X guided AP bomb that hit Number 3 turret roof, penetrated the turret, barbette, and magazines then blew out the triple bottom. The flood of water prevented a massive explosion, although ammunition cooked off for 30 minutes upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/aa/USS_Savannah_%28CL-42%29_is_hit_by_a_German_guided_bomb%2C_off_Salerno%2C_11_September_1943.jpg www.bing.com/videos/search?q=uss+savannah&ru=%2fvideos%2fsearch%3fq%3duss%2bsavannah%26FORM%3dHDRSC3&view=detail&mid=A43DE041C6B5D0769810A43DE041C6B5D0769810&&FORM=VDRVRV Navy at Salerno www.bing.com/videos/search?q=navy+at+salerno&&view=detail&mid=44AAF50C2E2D1029A9A044AAF50C2E2D1029A9A0&&FORM=VRDGAR&ru=%2Fvideos%2Fsearch%3Fq%3Dnavy%2Bat%2Bsalerno%26FORM%3DHDRSC3