China Cymbals | Which Way Up Should You Play Them?

[@kiltymacbagpipe]

Forget breaking sticks, you'll avoid breaking cymbals.

[@atatdotdot]

Indeed, and learning to sweep rather than playing straight into the cymbal will help even more with this.

[@allrequiredfields]

I know, I kept thinking 'why is he talking about sticks?' It's the $400 cymbal I'm just a bit more concerned about.

[@m42037]

@@atatdotdot Not many pro rock drummer's "sweep" the cymbal not even Buddy Rich lol. Or this drummer with the chest double kick

[@FMarinDM]

right?????? can you further explain your experience??? im thinking of flipin it over as it feels like chinas break easier due to the weight placed awry as it sways after every hit... yet ive never played them edges up.... whadya think!????

[@yeyeyeyeyyoooyoyooooyooo7342]

@@FMarinDMtbh Chinas are just kinda prone to breaking depending on how much you use it but if you swipe through it will reduce the chances a lot

[@jwsmi]

Title: "Are you making this mistake?" Video: "You can have it either way. The choice is yours."

[@rskat501]

Joe Smith it's called click bait bro

[@rockrollinnolan8521]

Well, the title is "Which way SHOULD you play them". I think it's safe to say china cymbals should be played the way Ben showed, and you see pretty much everyone else with them like that. However, just like with anything else on the drums, it's so highly customizable and very personal. I suppose this video was made for beginners who probably really had no idea which way to put it and might not yet know exactly which sound or feel they want, so in that case it's probably best to put it the way that destroys less sticks. Either way, have a nice day!

[@jwsmi]

The new title is "Which way should you play them" Previously it was "China cymbals: Are you making this mistake?" lol

[@johncole6342]

yep

[@Jonathan_Doe_]

More likely to keyhole the centre with them upside down, more choked too.. If you strike them with a swiping motion right side up won’t wear your sticks too badly.

[@martywhite2988]

Geez. Bash on.

[@josuevela4288]

Get zildjian China cymbal

[@leavemealoneyouprick]

click bait title or what? xD

[@666Hazard666]

China's were originally used to ride on by the Jazz old boys too in the traditional bell up way.. Bernard Purdie's well known for that too :)

[@austinchoatedrums]

Danny Finch it bothers me to no end that Meinl prints on the traditional underside of their chinas

[@chun-weikang471]

Austin Choate they make a jazz China.... with the logo on the flared up side

[@austinchoatedrums]

chun-wei kang that's the only one tho. When you look at the history of the China on drum set, the traditional position was flange up allowing multiple playing zones and better articulation. Now its the norm to crash a china, thus inverting logos.

[@chun-weikang471]

Ye ik , I'm looking for a jazz China haha

[@shiningarmor2838]

chun-wei kang The cymbal you want is most likely called a "swish" or a "swish-knock". It would have rivets in it to give it a sizzle, and it is generally quite large.

[@jeigan1628]

I was waiting so long for him to hit it upside down

[@AlexRooneyComposer]

i prefer the Lars Ulrich method, use it as a ride!

[@shiningarmor2838]

That's just the traditional way

[@jaydencampbell7527]

lars is not a pioneer of anything, let alone hitting a cymbal

[@FrankiorMusic]

Your cymbal might even live a while longer being "upside down" because not only does the edge facing up eat into the stick (and/or your skin ^^), but always hitting it right on the edge often increases the chance of early uncool evil cymbal breakage of doom. ;-)

[@s4lroachclip]

I thought that was why everyone had holes in their china cymbals now a days hahaha

[@iTroozTrooperDown]

Ben commited to the bait of clicks. Good. Love it.

[@asheshinfinite3766]

The only drummer that I've seen playing the China straight up is Gavin Harrison!😁

[@m42037]

And me

[@MammottMSM741]

Is anyone gonna mention he looks like Stevie t in the thumbnail

[@jeffreyalgra4084]

Paiste Novo, the nicest sounding China I've ever had. They addressed this question in a unique and sensible way. Otherwise do what works for you, obviously.

[@chaneppchannel_365]

Chinese people use cymbal with short sound. But western alway make it longgggg. 🤔 It is strange.

[@s4lroachclip]

I have a flat chinese there really is no flange up. It is more like a standard crash except it is a 16" and like maybe 1.5"around the edge which normally would bend up is very thin looking. I cant figure out how to mount it. Like a china, or a crash? Sabian AA flat...

[@DRUMSBOOKS]

en arte no debe existir el "deberias"

[@deathbymona]

yeah china cymbals always been wierd like that, they make them like they are suppose to be lip up, better sound and better cymbal life upside down.

[@isaacar1850]

I always though that the upside down way was the only way, because it’s the only one I ever see 😂

[@sabianfirst]

Hey guys, I have an older Sabian China that I used to play, right-side up. This is interesting, and I've seen a lot of comments about other players that have done this. I'm currently rejuvenating my kit to teach the young'uns. I took note of the comment by Jonathan Doe about keyhole in the bell, and this is also my first concern. Does anyone else have info to add about the premature wear of the bell by using this method? I'm open to try it but I don't want t destroy a very valuable cymbal in the process. Asking for me, not a friend.

[@lt.branwulfram4794]

Luckily for me, the Zildjian A Series has the Ultra Hammered China cymbal with the inverted bell on the side where the lip goes downwards.

[@zoohuman]

Last time I crashed my knuckles into a cymbal I was 14 years old and learning how to play drums. What's your excuse?

[@thedrummonkey61]

Lol, I was waiting for you to hit that stack one time!

[@QuickestQuickChop]

I'm pretty sure this video is pretty much common knowledge amongst all drummers. This is the equivalent to a BuzzFeed article but on KZbin

[@alfie9434]

Basically

[@duckspy436]

everyone needs to get their info somewhere and this is where some people get it

[@danielhughes5250]

Arrogant comment. Spose you were born knowing everything hey 🤣

[@ZeBubba]

I think it's common sense not to have the edge of a cymbal facing up. Don't wanna break the cymbal basically.

[@ryevick]

You also have more of the stick making contact with the China upsidedown vs hitting a thin edge of the cymbal.

[@themodernshoe2466]

How do you make an inverted china cymbal stay balanced on the stand? It always goes off on a slant and when you hit it, it doesn't have the right amount of give

[@liquidportnoy]

The Modern Shoe BUMP

[@biosyncfarm]

Tama fastclamps/adequate bushings

[@DreamfactoryZero]

I don't ever think I've been this early. Fuck me, I need to get to sleep.

[@IslamFalmi]

This is random.. but this series' videos have been very tempting to click on cos your title game is really strong, and it's not even clickbait! Lol.

[@drummercarson896]

I set up the China upside down all the time. At first I had a Zildjian ZBT China right side up. It cracked very quickly, so I learned that it's best to have our China's upside down : )

[@allrequiredfields]

I love my ZBT China. I've also got a killer 16" ZBT crash, right next to my AGOP and Dream stuff. Drummers seem so insecure about being seen with cymbals that aren't expensive or trendy, but I fucking love my ZBTs because some of them just SOUND spectacular. Fuck logos; logos don't matter to your ears.

[@lovelobster8475]

My first china was a Zildjian ZBT too and did the exact same thing. Broke in like a month

[@monke148]

i play mine sideways in a Tetrahedra form

[@Rodrigo-bv7uv]

To me this was always the right side lol.

[@danrivera7]

What’s the China cymbal?

[@charliepreidis3004]

I can listen to this dude talk all day. That Paragon sounds so damn good!

[@djentrification1631]

Play it downward... Only crashing quarter notes...

[@notsethsims]

chiner

[@friarrodneyburnap4336]

You can crack the bell in your Cymbal if you play it upside down like that...

[@s4lroachclip]

Make sure to put high quality sleeves on the stand with felts, and check them once in a while depending on how much you play. Once the cymbal mounting hole is touching metal then it is in trouble

[@nickey7473]

I have the zildjian i family 17" "trash crash" cymbal and it also sounds a lot better upside down

[@parkerdavidson5868]

That Paragon your using is the exact cymbal I'm gonna buy for my first china, perfect

[@josuevela4288]

Zildjian cymbal china 20 so break more sticks

[@josuevela4288]

Break drum sticks also play drums set when hard bits your drum kit

[@triceclark7878]

I used to put my china cymbal the way up.

[@СашаПашкина]

Please give me the name of the song from the end of this video

[@jackwilczynski6957]

Or you could just not have a china cymbal like me

[@TheLeviathan13]

EXACTLY! My oppinions and reasnons!

[@phils5230]

how many ich ahs this china cymbal?

[@oliwierjesionowski4264]

That china sound amazing.

[@haydendietzman28]

hey we have the same china cymbal

[@bmfdan5715]

Captain obvious

[@gpagliuca13]

Good opinion ben !

[@veerchasm1]

Are regular cymbals called “American Crashes” in China?😏

[@BenMinal]

Haha

[@drumnotatsujin81]

(coming from a Chinese person) Nah, we call them frisbees. ^-^

[@VARIOUShorses]

I think this is definitely the right way to orient your china if you play heavier styles of music, but I seem to remember a video from a well known drummer (can't remember who, but they were old-school in terms of their setup and style) where they recommend you set up your china the other way around because particular chinas can also work really well as ride or swish cymbals and from memory the demo they played sounded fantastic. If anyone has seen a video like that it's probably the one I'm talking about, it might have been on the drummers world, drumeo or modern drummer KZbin channels if that's any help to anyone.

[@gabejohnston1556]

How could you not mention that the cymbal is far more at risk of being broken when you play it with the lip curving up? That seems THE most obvious reason. If you put your crashes upside down so your were constantly hitting perpendicular to the edge, you would break them far faster. Obviously. It's not rocket science. And the 'curved part' is called the bow, genius.

[@BenMinal]

+Gabe Johnston chill out dude I've already said that in previous videos and I recommended here that people play them with the bow facing up, so I don't see why you need to get so heated about it.

[@chilliam00]

Don't worry man, some people like to get salty as being a dick to someone makes there small dull life seemingly just a bit better.