China ने Tibet को कैसे हड़पा, भारत की कौन सी गलती भारी पड़ गई? Dalai Lama | Nehru | Mao | Kitabwala

[@sonamyangzom-wh1xp]

On behalf of all Tibetan refugees in India, I would like to thank the Government of India and the kind and loving citizens of India millions and millions of times for your love and kindness shown to us. Jai Bharat🙏🙏🙏💚❤️💙

[@tsetendolkar4948]

Sir. Dilip Sinha. thank you so much for great support toward our Tibet Freedom Sir you told correct Tibet is never. never. never part Red China

[@SohitRajpoot-h7k]

Aaj first comment Mera hoga...........India ko hamesha Dalai Lama ko support karna hoga

[@Samir12357]

Bhai dalai lama old hogaye hai.. I don't think 4-5 saal se jyada jinda rahenge so I don't think India can support dalai lama for long..

[@himanshu617]

बहुत ही ज्ञानवर्धक बातचीत। ऐसी चर्चाओं में यदि पुराने नक्शों का इस्तेमाल किया जाए तो इतिहास को समझने में और आसानी होगी। इनसे मणिपुर के मुद्दे पर भी अलग से बातचीत की जा सकती है।

[@dawatsamchoe856]

Tibet is not part of china. Tibet is freedom country. Tibet ki Azeri bharat ka Suraksha. Wake lndia👍

[@loveanimals8278]

Tibet ki Azadi Bharat ka Suraksha ✊

[@johnsebastino4659]

Khalistan - Manipur to trailer hai Tamil Nadu - Goa - sab alag ho jayenge sambhal ke jo maan kar rahe ho kahin aapko na ho jaye yeh sab.

[@DC-zi6se]

​@@johnsebastino4659😂😂😂

[@sonamyangzom-wh1xp]

@@johnsebastino4659 Ekta me bal hai, fut me kamjori hai. Itihas gawah hai. Hamara dushman ka Takat ko samjo

[@everuttejon9886]

India सदा के लिय अमेरिकन गुलाम मुलुक है

[@GrishGirish]

Perfect saying on Tibet . We most of Indian people saying Indian china border, We all young star shut Chang to says , We all Indian keep saying Indian Tibet border, India share border by Arunachal, India and Tibet border, India share other side by Ladakh , India Tibet border China is so so far far from India .

[@tseringgyatsotsechung2763]

100% right!

[@unmuktyatree8200]

It’s far for India but China is right at Indian border and cities And towns ….

[@tenzinlungrik1788]

Need more This kind of discussion.

[@gameworld8946]

अब समय आ गया है कि तिब्बत की आज़ादी के लिए भारत को सम्पूर्ण प्रयास करें ।

[@AMRITPALSINGH-gb6mc]

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[@huanwang-ur5ve]

what do you have ?cow dung only

[@worldgamingchannelwgc3119]

😂

[@gameworld8946]

साम्राज्यवादी ताकतो से भारत तो आजाद हो गया, किन्तु भारत, अन्तरराष्ट्रीय संस्थाओ एंव अन्य स्वतंत्र राष्ट्रो द्वारा तिब्बत को उसी हाल में छोङ दिया गया यह बहुत ही शर्म की बात है।

[@tsetendolkar4948]

Tibet is top of the world We have our un language our un currency our un Flag too. Tibet is never under Red China. before. We are. Independence’ country at all Free Tibet. Free Tibet Free Tibet Long leave H; H The14th Dalia lama

[@aniloneness3183]

Thank you for great talk 👍🙏

[@lakpasangesherpa2637]

India can help freedom Tibet

[@sonamyangzom-wh1xp]

I humbly request everyone to read these two books “Tibet was never part of China since antiquity” by Prof. Lau and "Tibet brief 20/20" by Michael van Walt van Praag. Prof. Lau is an esteemed Chinese American scholar, who devoted his retired life, doing intense research on the status of Tibet and wrote this historical book, titled, “Tibet was never part of China since antiquity”. In this particular session, Professor Lau presented his arguments based on the authoritative documents during the Ming Dynasty in China. Ironically, those were the same source used by PRC to claim that Tibet has been a part of China.

[@MoMo_Head]

India has a limitation to support Tibetan cause openly but nobody can deny that India has done the most for Tibetans. Thats the reasons why Tibetan army dont hesitate to give their boold for the safty of india. we feel more closeness with indians in abroad, tibetan choose Indian market as their hungout spot over chinese market be it US or EU. The last line sir said is very postive and hopefully. Thank you indian people and Govt.

[@tmusics4915]

वास्तविकता यही है की भारत आजाद नही हुआ है बल्कि भारत का सत्ता हस्तांतरण हुआ है।

[@TM-mb7el]

Amazing session! So grateful for media houses like the “The Lallantop” for discussing such important issues not just for Tibet but also for India as a country. Massive thank you and heartfelt gratitude to Dilip Sinha sir for your knowledge and sharing the truth. 🙏🙏

[@tseringwangdu3849]

Wow good talk.thank you sir🙂

[@kustenzin4328]

But thankk you for all your other narratives and support ❤❤❤

[@Tibetan-Channel]

This guy knows the truth

[@rahultarle7717]

हम आजाद कैसे हुये यह सोचने से पहले यह सोचना की हम गुलाम कैसे हुये

[@taidelek9994]

Thank for bringing up The forgotten history

[@precious-nn8ny]

Events leading to China's conflict with India in 1959: This refers to the escalating tensions between China and India following China's annexation of Tibet. The Dalai Lama's escape to India in 1959 was a significant factor in this conflict, as India's decision to grant him asylum angered the Chinese government.

[@lhakpachoden1270]

Thank you Sir, for this transparent narrative on the Tibet's modern History.

[@tenzindorjee2408]

❤❤❤❤❤❤❤Nice explanation ❤Tashi Delek 🇮🇳 🇮🇳 🇮🇳 ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤

[@dr.subratakumarnag4000]

Tibet is independent desh

[@tenzinlhamo8289]

Thank you for saying truth that Tibet is not a part of china

[@nyimalobsang5431]

Jai Bharat jai Tibet Tibet ki aazadi Bharat ki surak sha free Tibet save India thanks you

[@kalsangnyandak1942]

Tibet Ki Azadi 🇮🇳Bharat ka Suraksha ✊🏽བོད་རྒྱལ་ལོ། ✊🏽Tibet is not part of the Chinese 🇨🇳 India China not BODER Tibet India BODER #FREE TIBET TIBET ✊🏽✊🏽✊🏽✊🏽✊🏽✊🏽

[@TenzinKunphel-yf3vr]

Thanks for the Conversations 🙏, it’s really helpful and important ❤️🔥🪴

[@PemaDrendashigar]

Thank you India. Love you India.

[@RBB-u4h]

Good account but Mr. Sinha misses out these very important points: 1)Panniker was not that enamored with China, their system or Chou, yes China overthrew Chiang-kai-Shek who was backed by imperial powers, this is what the freedom fighters admired and the Chinese aim of reforming tribal type society. Panniker used to meet Chou frequently, once after a meeting he gathered from a hint, just a hint, that China may plunge into the Korean war, Panniker cabled Nehru who informed Dean Acheson of US who paid no attention. If Panniker was enamored with China, he would not have taken this hint seriously. China did intervene in Korea. (Source: "War & Peace in Modern India" by Prof. Srinath Raghavan). 2)China was in chaos in 1914 when British India included Tibet in 1914, there was no central authority, warlords ruled different parts of China and the Chinese delegation was a sham delegation which signed the papers. At this time Britain had recognized Chinese suzerainty over Tibet (not sovereignty) meaning Tibetan autonomy. (Source Prof. Srinath Raghvan). 3)Melvyn C Goldstein of the Case Western University has given a detailed account with evidences that from 1942 US recognized Tibet as an autonomous part of China and continued to do so even after the communist takeover of China and also in the 1950s while supporting the Tibetan rebels! What could India have done or Nehru could have done with the superpowers taking this stand? 4)As soon as communists established their total control, Nehru realized Chinese intentions on Tibet, Nehru wrote to General Cariappa to give assessment of Indian military capability to intervene in Tibet if China attacked, Gen Cariappa flatly said India had no capability. These letters are in the Indian archives. (Source: Manoj Joshi, a reputed security and China expert). 5)Nehru then sought US and UK intervention, they advised Nehru to do anything short of military action. (Source Ranjit Karla - a security expert). 6)Nehru out of practical realism had to sign the 1954 agreement (Foreign Secretary RK Nehru and Prof. Srinath Raghavan). 7)Nehru cleverly introduced PANCHSHEEL which was a code of conduct in international relations, this was a clever move, Mao is on records accepting and praising PANCHSHEEL on October 19, 1954. This was during the meeting with Nehru, verbatim Mao quote is in archives. Nehru worked very hard to press China to give Tibet maximum autonomy so Tibet would exercise some restraint on China in matter of stationing troops on the border with India (Source: John W Garver). 8)Nehru during the 1954 visit to China took up border issues and wrong maps of China with Chou who agreed to correct them. Chou did not utter anything about the border and accepted them as it was. (Nehru notes in archives) 9)Then Chou on his visit to India in 1957 did the same, he said he was happy with the borders after incorporating Tibet into China and said it was a settled matter. (Source: Prof. Raghavan) 10)Then suddenly in 1959, Chou made a U-turn and said the entire border was up for negotiations. (Prof. Raghavan). Thereafter started making demands upon demands and made offers for settlement which were like you go back on your land and we go back a bit on your own land. Nehru could not agree to this, obviously. 11)Knowing India's military disparity, Nehru tried very hard to make compromise, his unrealistic party members not grounded to reality, opposed Nehru. Acharya Kriplani even blocked his Rs. 100 crore request to buy arms saying it would violate the soul of the father of the nation. Meantime, in 1960 the Supreme Court of India issued a ruling that the executive could not make any changes to the boundary, only the legislature had that power, his Cabinet and the Parliament who had gone jingoistic were not going to make any compromise. Even the press had gone jingoistic. 11)There is evidence China had planned attack in 1959. (Source Bruce Reidel and Bert Lintner). Then in 1962 Chinese people were in poor shape due to the failure of the Great Leap Forward. Mao needed to divert the attention. He also wanted to cut down Nehru as the leader of Asia and the developing nations. There are so many well researched accounts stating Nehru took a very practical stand, just the way Kashmir issue has been twisted to malign this great leader, the China issue also has been twisted and then the trouble is that people do not read wide ranging accounts and draw their conclusions based on narrow view derived from single but flawed source. This is no criticism of Mr. Sinha, he came out as a good and a decent man, scholarly on his history of Tibet missing out above points and somehow summed up the 1962 war within a snap, it is a long account. Could run into one hour. Those interested must read CIA declassified reports in three parts, War and Peace in Modern India, John W Garver and Melvyn C Goldstein.

[@letibetestmonpays]

Very interesting history between India and Tibet as well as between China and Tibet. So, we would sincerely like to say Thanks to both of you sirs. We love and Indians people. Thanks again from Paris. I hope you will get the chance interview with our honerable Sikyong Penpa Tsering la if you are interested. Yes i am going to subscribe with you ❤❤❤❤❤🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰✊✊✊✊✊🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏

[@tmusics4915]

30:38 त्रिविस्टप

[@phurbudorjee6202]

Jai hind thank you so much inda ❤

[@kanwarpartapsinghgill6779]

Good information

[@robiejawaharlal3937]

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[@gyadre]

Tibetan Buddhism is based on Nalanda tradition. Tibetan king Tri-song De-tsen invited Nalanda abbot Shantha Rakshit and Padma Sambhava to lay the foundation of Buddhism in Tibet in 8AD. Duo built first monastery called Samye which still functions. Fisrt 7 Tibetan were ordained as monks and soon the Samye became the center of translation of Buddhist scriptures from Sanskrit and Pali. Two volume Sanskrit Tibetan dictionary was composed. During the same time Chinese monks also came to teach Buddhism. So Tibetan king invited both Chinese scholar and Indian scholar in a debate. Chinese monks were defeated by the Indian scholar led by Kamal Sheela a student of Shantha Rakshit. So Tibetan banished the Chinese monk. Two most important scripture in Tibetan Buddhism are called Kaghur (Buddha's word consist of 108 volume) and Tenghur (commentary on Buddha's word by Indian Maha Pandits 220+ Volume). Both these scripture begin with Sanskrit and in Tibetan it start as in the language of India and later in Tibetan. No where it says in Chinese language. Tibetan name for Sanskrit is Lek Jar meaning well crafted. From 7AD to 13 AD Tibetan travelled to India mostly to present day Bihar, Bengal and Kashmir. Tibetan travelled via Nepal whete they learn Sanskrit before going to India to study Buddhism in Nalanda, Vikramshila etc. In Vikramshila there so many Tibetan that there was separate unit set up for Tibetan. Tibetan Lama from 13th century served as spiritual advisor to Mongol and Chinese emperor.

[@precious-nn8ny]

1. Negative impacts of international exploitation and neglect: The book appears to use Tibet as a case study to illustrate how vulnerable regions can suffer when larger powers pursue their interests without regard for local populations.

[@tmusics4915]

किस किस को लगता है यह वीडियो चीनी मीरा को देखना चाहिए कॉमेंट को लाइक 👍 करो 🫠

[@ramanikantthakur3501]

What a perfect show

[@lobsangkhayer6231]

Thank you India with details explanation, I felt like I m in classroom. Power will come then disappear with effect global causality. We shell over come

[@Tashi-Shok]

Arunachal Pradesh, Ladak, Sikkim and parts of bordering regions were part of Independent Tibet. China’s claim on sikkim, arunachal, ladak is based on Tibetan historical documents. India made a blunder and recognized Tibet as part of China. India must correct its historical betrayal and blunder by Nehru and its subsequent governments.

[@gauri3524]

Historically, Tibet, at least part of it includng Kailash and Mansarovar, was under Nepal. The Newar traders of Nepal kothis (businesses) in Lhasa. They enjoyed certain privilges back then. During the reign of Malla kings, Nepal used to mint silver coins for Tibet. I do not know of any other country, save Nepal and China later on, 'controlling' Tibet.

[@ajeyklg]

अच्छा है, सौरभ जी आप P Stobdan लिखित Great game in Budhist Haimalays पर भी एक चर्चा करवाईएगा । स्तोबदन जी डिप्लोमेट होने के साथ साथ लद्दाख़ के नेटिव भी हैं। अवश्य आप के दर्शक पराहिमालय के बारे एक अलग दृष्टिकोण से परिचित होंगे।

[@tylert9875]

Lot of buddhists ran away Tibet at the end of Buddhism in India. Tibet stopped being relevant to India after the spread of Hinduism.

[@tsedup4317]

Free Tibet ✊🏼 Jai Bharat 🇮🇳

[@prafulvikhe7587]

Abhisek Bhai. Gajab hai ekdam ..

[@KDRai-sn8gy]

लेकिन Sikkim कैसे भाररतमे बिलय हुवा? पचा भि लैया कैसे?🤔🤔🤔

[@Nation806]

Sikkim India ka hi 47 se phele

[@TenzinDukta-zz4sc]

Long live his holiness the great 14th Dalai Lama 🙏🙏🙏🌹🌹🌹🌼🌼🌼🏵️🏵️🏵️🌷🌷🌷🌺🌺🌺💐💐💐🕊️🕊️🕊️🕊️

[@lhazomtsering9497]

Tibet and India border has no soldiers at all ...india don't spent much expense on Tibet and India border before china invade Tibet 1959

[@mohanprasaddhakal-u7b]

अगर १९४७ में दलाई लामा से सन्धि करके भारत में क्यों नहीं मिलाया? ब्रिटिश गुलाम ब्रिटिश ने चीन के तिब्बत पर जो १९०९ में जो सन्धि कर के मान्यता दिया था।

[@WaMo721]

क्योंकि हम धोती नहीं पहनते

[@UmeshChand-jl2il]

तिब्बत नेपाल का हिस्सा था मानसरोबर भि नेपाल का है फाल्तु का ईतिहास ओर मनगढन्त कहानी मन बनाओ ग्रेटर नेपाल नेपालिओ का सपना है

[@TenzinDukta-zz4sc]

Hindustan jindabad 🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳

[@nareshdashore]

🌹👌🏻👏🏻

[@stanzingawa6212]

Zorawar Singh led the military campaigns that helped in the process of assimilation of Ladakh and Gilgit-Baltistan into the erstwhile Dogra state in Jammu and Kashmir. He was also able to temporarily control a significant part of western Tibet up to the holy Lake Manasarovar until he was killed in battle and the Dogra forces had to retreat.

[@precious-nn8ny]

Call for recommitment to human rights and justice: Using Tibet's struggle as an example, the author seems to be advocating for a renewed focus on human rights and justice in international relations.

[@rakeshvats9065]

In Chinese language Tibet is called Xīzàng ( 西藏）。

[@ashishg.c4051]

In the last 18th century when Nepal attacked tibet over duplicate gold and silver coins, then the chinese saved tibet and then they slowly started to claim tibet

[@precious-nn8ny]

Specific historical events discussed: - The bloodbath in Lhasa: This likely refers to violent incidents in Tibet's capital, possibly during the 1959 Tibetan uprising.

[@Muskaan.4567]

"घर छोड़ा नादानी में,🏡 देश लूटा आदानी ने ,🔫 प्रचार किया गोदी मीडिया ने💿 पढ़ाई छोड़ा अधूरे में, 📚✏ बीवी छोड़ा जवानी में, 👰 देश बेचा बुढ़ापे में, 🤡 जनता नराज है महंगाई मे 💧 क्या अंधभक्त खुश है बेरोजगारी में?" 😊

[@milupatadiya.7205]

આભાર 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏

[@jharkhandikoda]

गांधी ने नेहरू को अपना राजनैतिक वारिस बनाया, और गांधी की विचारधारा को आज तक नेहरू परिवार ने भुलाया नही, राहुल गांधी आज भी महात्मा गांधी का उतना ही सम्मान करते हैं। जबकि इस अंधभक्ति काल में गांधी के बारे में क्या क्या झूठ नही फैलाया गया। क्या सावरकर को बीजेपी उस स्तर पर पहुंचा पायी जहाँ आज भी महात्मा गांधी बने हुए हैं?

[@sanatanihindu-uv2gh]

gandhi biased tha

[@ZiN-ux7tn]

Tibbat ki azadi Bharat ki surakhshah

[@gedunrinchen9001]

Tibet and lndia border conflict never existed before 1954. In true sense the border didn't exited. Travellers crossed border without any restriction before 1950.

[@ashwini921]

Pok dena aur Tibet dena government kiii bht badi galti thiii

[@ATULKUMAR-oe5rx]

Dear Lallantop: Pls change this host. We need better host for Such a Gem show

[@TenzinDukta-zz4sc]

Free Tibet ✊

[@tylert9875]

Tibet has still parts in India. Tibet has not left india.

[@karmatsering1539]

Some our political support India but India have to support Tibetan too, never range from durpin for owns faidha

[@ranjanmanas834]

UN ka role bohut achha tha kashmir me.

[@SanjeevYadav.20]

भारत की गलती मत लिखों ,नेहरू की गलती लिखो😂

[@kamaljangu45]

1971 ki war ko india ki jeet mat bolo, indira ki jeet bolo. Leadership jab bhi koi decision leti h to vo pure desh ka decision hota h kyuki desh ke logo ne unhe chun kr bheja h. Chatukarita band krke padai per dhayaan de kuchh. Ek do books pd knowledge badhega.

[@SanjeevYadav.20]

@@kamaljangu45 आपातकाल ,अक्साई चीन, कश्मीर,हिंदी चीनी भाई भाई,😂😂😂

[@kamaljangu45]

@@SanjeevYadav.20 doklam, pulwama, demonetisation, three black farm bills, caa, manipur🧐🧐

[@chombeurgyen1762]

Namastey guru ji 🙏✌️👏geological Tibet is very important part for Asai with lots of natural resources n especially buffer zone between Indochina 😢y still India declared Tibet is part of evils Chinese 😢today bad karma comes back 😢please don't repeat same mistake 🙏✌️we are suffering n next time it's you 😢 Jai hind Jai Tibet ❤😊

[@Tooniversity]

Kitabala 2:28 😂😂

[@amitthu]

Lehru

[@precious-nn8ny]

India's involvement in the geopolitical conflict: By accepting Tibetan refugees, including the Dalai Lama, India became more directly involved in the Tibet issue. This decision strained Sino-Indian relations and contributed to broader geopolitical tensions in the region.

[@tltarzan678]

Jai Tibet jai bharat

[@nyimalobsang5431]

Indian government ambassador in mongolien Baku la rinpoche from Ladakh

[@yudhvirsingh4930]

Tibbat bharat ke haath se nahin nikla tha china ne cheena tha . Tibbation ko nehru ne sharan di galat nahin kiya .

[@gyadre]

Nehru was championing decolonization in far of places but at supported colonialism just beyond its border in Tibet in 1954 so-called Pansheel. At UN Nehru point K Menon man in UN supported China through parroting Chinese line. Within a week after Chinese attack Nehru said India do not share an inch of border with China in parliament sometime in October 1962 which is recorded in parliament precceding document. This statement contradicted all earlier statement including 1954 Trade Agreement or Pansheel. But still despite the 1962 statement the govt has not changed since than. Even the fierce critic of Nehru's China policy, Vajpayee officially signed Tibet as a part of China in 2003/4.

[@asianboy37]

Tibet is not part of China

[@krishnamurari6507]

Bahuta hi prabhavashali hindi

[@tenzindorji7609]

sir namaskar, you know about Tibet better than young Tibetan who were born outside. thanks for this as Tibetan. who made border problem 100^% sure Nehru made this becoz of business hungry with China.Nehru made big mistake, he has gone n left the border prblem. before 1959 Indian govt has neverever spent Re.1.00/ look these days huge financial wasting instead these money will use to own people. Indian govt is not speaking truth still hiding which is truth at one point Indian is afriad to China. before 1959 all the himalayan belongs to Tibet. every culture, tradition, religion n way living n food and clothes is completely different from India than how can say these himalayan are India. India should stop playing game with Tibetan n speak truth. say something n does another. still how many year keep lying to us.

[@TsogoSnow]

India sing tibet part of china, so wrong

[@Tashi268]

Indo-tibet border problems started from that day.

[@UmeshChand-jl2il]

नेपालिओ से सिको ईतिहास तुमहारा इतिहास नहि है सिर्फ झुट

[@mohitsinghnegi1055]

Akhand bharat ka time aagya h ab tibet ko Ajadi chahia .

[@tenzintsering6112]

Unity with who support to Tibet issues Keep on mind now not too late China policy to inviting hold world Yes present already captured neighbouring of China including Tibet

[@madhurikumarikarn8497]

Prachin kaĺ men Tibbat ko Trivistap Kahne the

[@TsewangNamgyal-em9hq]

Tibet will be free

[@ConfusedKite-gk1ts]

😳 Ooho to Tibbat ko harapne me Bharat ke bhi Giddha dristi tha kaya 😳 ? To Bharat se pahale hi Chin ne Tibbat ko harap liya ? 👌🥰😍🤩🫢😂🤣😅 👍

[@santoshghare8944]

त्रिविस्टक नाम था ना तिबत का

[@DawaTsering-pm1vp]

Pls safe in 22 army

[@gpsnangalkatha6029]

इनका नाम अभिसेक है या अभिषेक

[@TseringWangchuk-hh1dl]

Free Tibet

[@tenzinlama7310]

During the Yuan dynasty, Tibet and Mongol relation is like Bhutan and India today. India protect Bhutanese defense.

[@TsogoSnow]

Why not change indian think?

[@tejbdrthapa9474]

Varat nr sikkim ko hadap liya ya kya tha

[@jacktashi5230]

Thapa ko kya hua aaj ? Security job me kamai nai hai Malysia mei? :)🤣

[@miketomy3489]

Actually china want all or most indians area under.....

[@shang_chi8626]

India taliban Pakistan 🇵🇰 Bangladesh 🇧🇩 =akhand Bharat 😂😂😂duryodhan shakuni karna dusashan

[@TenpaTenzin]

CCP main target is India. Tibet is base camp. J K. Himachal. U k. Nepal. Bhutan..Sikkim. Arunachal this all areas are Tibet border. Long life indo Tibetan friend ship. Jai bharat Jai Tibet.

[@balkaransidhu5334]

Jaise Doklam, Depseng , Demchuk , Aksai chin nikla?? Bus vaise hi