China Out Builds the US 200 to 1 in Ships! | So, Why Not Build our Navy in Japan and Korea?

[@jimprice1959]

When I got out of school, in 1963, I began working in electrical design at the San Francisco Naval Shipyard. At that time, beside the yard, we had Bethlehem Shipbuilding, Todd Shipyard, Moore Drydock and Triple A Machine Shop all in the Bay Area as well as the Mare Island Naval Shipyard in Vallejo. We also had Long Beach Naval Shipyard and the San Diego Naval Ship Repair facility in California. Now they and the intelligence equity that went with them are all gone.

[@jerrymylove1754]

Yet , we spend way more money now.

[@_yamcha]

I mean you guys are still building the biggest and most advanced aircraft carriers

[@yliang1688]

What do they do now a days at these places? San Francisco Naval Shipyard, Bethlehem Shipbuilding, Todd Shipyard, Moore Drydock and Triple A Machine Shop the Mare Island Naval Shipyard in Vallejo. Long Beach Naval Shipyard San Diego Naval Ship Repair facility in California. Are they became the AMAZA warehouse and shipping facilities ???

[@jimprice1959]

@dorddord8634 You may. I worked as a design engineer at the San Francisco Naval Shipyard for two years. I then went to work in private industry. During some of that time I was a volunteer firefighter on the San Francisco Peninsula for 15 years. I have lived to be over 80 years old have done many things during my life--too many to list here.

[@jimprice1959]

@@_yamcha True, but there are only a fraction of the shipyards we used to have left in the US.

[@moors710]

I designed military aircraft at Boeing. The government being unable to set a design makes multiple times the cost. If we could get a single set of specs All military production would be significantly lower in cost.

[@michaelcowling9928]

That's not the game we're playing here. Defense contracts are make work programs designed to source as many components from as many congressional districts as possible. Components with bigger pricetags naturally come from districts where that representative is the chair for whichever important oversight committee. It makes canceling projects next to impossible as long as the right people stay in office and the equipment meets some reasonable level of functionality, even if the project is wildly over budget. Setting the design in stone, years out? That's impossible when these representatives hold elections every other year. Gotta know where to shop those components from to make sure the project gets approved and stays approved. If your guy loses reelection then the new legislator won't be the chair of the important committee. He's got no stroke. He can't defend the program and all the dollars that it brings to the district. The new chair of the committee wants some of that cheddar coming to his district to help his reelection campaign.

[@werewolfnar]

@@michaelcowling9928 While all of that is indeed true. It doesn't make it right. Congress will eventually have to realize that shipping their constituents off to war in sub-par aircraft, tanks, and ships will get them killed. I doubt their families will vote for the person who got those people killed.

[@eric9069]

Tt is not the "business" model.

[@davidz7858]

I dont think you, a designer, know where those money really go.

[@kuanged]

​@@michaelcowling9928Ah, the glaring failure of representative democracies with short election cycles...

[@kentslocum]

If World War II taught us one thing, it's that shipbuilding capacity is essential. Even in the era of drones, satellites, and long-range missiles, the ability to replace military and commercial ships faster than they are sunk is essential.

[@kp6215]

Yes and women built all those ships during WWII

[@amariner5]

China learned that lesson. China read how our industrial supply won the war, how our transmission factories made machine guns and car factories made bombers. China took all our industry, from ships to staplers.

[@amariner5]

@@kp6215are you a fighting age and ability male? Ability to do 12 pull-ups, run two miles, lift 60 lbs over your head, over 17 1/2, under 35? Even in a world war, the military can only really use he young, healthy men. There were still many men to build ships, particularly African Americans, as the Army wasn't yet integrated.

[@John.S.Patton]

​@@amariner5US military gone woke.

[@jerrystauffer2351]

If it taught us 2 things it's having factories beyond bombing range is important too

[@robertferrand4906]

This is the story. Why does the mainstream media not pick up this story. I just do not understand how such a critical issue can be overlooked. Bless you for not only raising the issue but continuing to tell the tale.

[@tissuepaper9962]

because actual politics is boring, people only tune into the news for anger pr0n.

[@jm2453]

There isn't a shipyard in NY, Atlanta, LA, or DC where the "news" comes from.

[@TargaWheels]

Because mainstream media is part of the problem.

[@alanxu3936]

Because they're too busy spewing pro-Ukrainian propaganda to even recognize the growing threat in the Pacific.

[@Steven-oq7dx]

很简单 因为这个问题和获取选票没有关系

[@donalddodson7365]

Thank you, Professor Sal. I suspect that too much money flows to those who are the root causes of this failure to foresee the "perils on the seas."

[@wgowshipping]

Thanks as always Don!

[@LordEmperorHyperion]

​​@@wgowshipping well Professor, about those "monster" aircraft carriers they're a relic of WW2, with the rise of Hypersonic missiles, despite the arrays of defenses on these carriers and their their escorts, the carriers are sitting ducks it won't take more than 3 missiles to eventually sink the carriers Carriers are a liability prime targets for nations like China should the US go to war, the major flaw in US military doctrine thinking air power will quickly end the war. The over reliance on air power is it's downfall.

[@roydiehl]

Astounding just how messed up news reports can be even in something ostensibly more reliable than the general-purpose press. Great that you went VFR direct to the actual source cited by a secondary source in the article, and that you actually know what the heck you're talking about -- not to mention having the platform and the backbone to share it all with us. Many thanks, Bravo Zulu my friend!

[@brunojung1984]

I served in Korean Navy and currently serving in USN. My first ship in USN was USS San Antonio. It was in shipyard going through maintenance phase. I experienced US civilian ship yard and it was so obvious that US lack of work ethic and shipyard hiring unskilled labor for political reasons is why USN is failing. Just give ship building contract to Korea and Japan, install all weapons systems in US if you are worried about Korea reverse engineering US technology. CNO said get real and get better well your pride should not be more important than losing competition against China. All the 7th FLT COs I met prefer doing their maintenance in Japan because despite more and more foreign labors in Japan the service is still quicker and better.

[@dabda8510]

Seems like this needs to be higher...

[@burningknuckle26]

fax tho. China still gon go harder tho

[@remix-yy1hs]

You are a traitor to Asian people. Shame on you. Go free your people

[@Hystericall]

they hire unskilled labor not for political reason but because of 1) corruption 2) there is insufficient skilled labor

[@tissuepaper9962]

I think outsourcing in the short term while rebuilding domestic industrial capacity is a good idea. I don't really think we have another way to keep up our numbers in the next 20-30 years, but I'm not really a military expert by any measure lol.

[@Stinger913]

Agree! If we’re in a pinch we should leverage our multilateral connections and relationships. We can rebuild our domestic industry in the meantime too if you’re a stickler for “Bath Built”.

[@jm2453]

@@Stinger913 The rebuild will never happen if we outsource, it will just get worse. Building the ships doesn't build the radars and other GFE any faster. Its not just the ships. Much of it is how the Navy does business. They will botch it at foreign yards worse than they do here, plain and simple. We already outsourced the engineering and project management anyway. Daewoo w NASCCO, Philly is foreign. MMC is Fincantieri, Austal is Australian. OPC is a Vard design and Fincantieri owns Vard. It goes on and on.

[@TargaWheels]

It'll never come back. Even if they overbid on that contract, it'll still cost less to outsouce. What they don't tell us is when they overbid (but still cheaper than made in the US), its actually a lot cheaper than that overbid, and the money is kicked back to...well, I'm sure I don't have to drop any names.

[@tissuepaper9962]

@@jm2453 how can we build ships domestically when the trades necessary to do it are going extinct in the US? We need ships, and we need some of them to be built in the US so as to rebuild an industrial base, but we don't need all of them to be built here. It's not possible to build all the ships we need domestically.

[@darkstar7999]

@@0neOver0neThreeSeven I love how if one disagrees on anything they are then labeled as a paid propagandist from China, Russia, Iran, or NK. So we must all be of one opinion and one accord here in the US now. Freedom of Speech! As long as you agree with me, of course. How American.

[@ChrisZ901]

China has not only the edge on capacity, but also cost due to advantage not in just labor cost, but also logistics. For the cost of one Burke, they can build 2 055s

[@FerrelAllan]

I'm not impressed. China is more worried about the new W.P.U.M.A.( Western Pacific Unified Military Alliance)

[@ChrisZ901]

@@FerrelAllan of course. that's why they are building naval ships like cooking dumplings, as the Chinese say. There's one shipyard spotted building 6 052D simultaneously, and China has many such shipyards. Right now, it's the US lead alliance that's giving the Chinese the pressure to build more. In 5 to 10 years, the PLAN will be a real beast to be reckoned with

[@chinkeanchong5070]

Take away the union. ...the capacity will increase.

[@HTV-2_Hypersonic_Glide_Vehicle]

@@ChrisZ901 "In 5 to 10 years, the PLAN will be a real beast to be reckoned with" (sigh) yep, and it will be a very tough pill to swallow

[@kimchiba4570]

If you yanks stop messing with other affairs all is well.. There's no need to worry about China.. But you can't and yet dun have the balls and gotta get as many lap dogs to go with you against Chin

[@mattd8686]

A withering domestic industrial base is not the only factor at play here (though it is serious issue). My understanding is that the high-profile troubles that have beset recent acquisition programs have just as much (if not more) to do with unrealistic or overly ambitious project requirements. The LCS was an attempt to make a ship that could do it all, and the end result is a ship that is not particularly good at anything (I've seen reports that some are trying to save face by insisting these boats were never meant to be anything more than test platforms...gaslighting, anyone?). It also seems that survivability was sacrificed for speed (hull cracks, gearbox failures). The Ford Carriers attempted to fit several emerging technologies into one build program resulting in years of delays, cost overruns, etc (hard to deliver an aircraft carrier when the electromagnetic catapult tears itself apart, the elevators don't work, etc, etc). And the Zumwalt destroyer(s)? God help us! Though I'm hopeful the Ford Class will serve its function well, these programs were all "own goals" at a time that we thought we could afford it (the Cold War is over, right?), but now here we are seriously considering sending US Navy shipbuilding contracts overseas. Hard to stomach.

[@dwwolf4636]

LCS is hot mess of contradicting design requirements. 48 knot ships displacing 3400 - 3900 tonne ? For minehunting ? For ASW ? Just the motive power requirement is ~2.25 times higher than for a 30 knot ship. That's alot of tonnage and space dedicated to a requirement that is at odds with 2 of the 3 mission goals. That couldve been spent on endurance or mission payload. That 48 knot requirement also meant light construction which means that all the hull issues are no surprise. The last mission goal is basically hunting speedboats. With a 48 knot 3400-3900ton warship..... Armed with a 57mm noodleshooter which has almost no special ammunition R&D'd for it. I suggest that arming a normal frigate with something like Spike NLOS or Martlet as an add on to the 30mm Weaponstations seems much more viable. Or Drones armed with stuff like Martlet missiles. But since these issues are only generally located near specific shores it seem much more apt to post smaller 50-60 yard war ships like a Skjold to defend against these threats in such areas ( i.e. Persian gulf ). Bonus points for allowing junior officers to gain combat command experience on these smaller hulls. Zumwalt class was mildly stupid by not seeking ammo commonality with 155mm arty OR not upscaling Otomelara's Vulcano ammo. The limited SHORAD capabilities of such large vessels also seem suspect.

[@johnchin1456]

It's not important to deliver ships, or that they work. It's the transfer of cash into pockets that's really important

[@jono_cc2258]

Great video as always Sal! I'd just like to add that the UK has a policy of not building warships in foreign coutnries however the four Tide Class tankers of the Royal Fleet Auxillary were built by Daewoo in South Korea. Once the design was finalized each ship went from being laid down to entering service is less than 3 years, it did however cause controversey in the UK that ships were being built abroad. Contrast this with the RFAs three new Fleet Solid Support ships, which had the competition ran twice (2018 then 2021), the latter so it was classed as a warship so to ensure it would be built in a UK yard, the first vessel is due to enter service in 2031. We simply cannot compete, we do not have the volume of orders to maintain the skills needed and lke most countries are not competiive domestically to make yards financially viable, the yards we do have are completely reliant on Defence contracts.

[@JMintzmyer]

Enjoyed this discussion. Lots of factual issues in that 2nd report which unfortunately distracted from the overall debate of the concept/idea… I like the *idea* (needs to be debated and fleshed out a lot more) of having Japan and SK help with low-margin tasks like hull laying. Then steam across to US yards for final avionics, classified network wiring, and other more sensitive upgrades. US needs revamped repair and upgrade facilities. Offshore the low margin hull laying and general engines/electrics/etc.

[@jm2453]

You'd need to tear the ship apart again. Waste's money. If we designed a ship from the start that way, maybe, but why? It would still lose efficiency to be that modular.

[@peglegpete6656]

Many years ago I worked as a government contractor. I was going to bid on an update modification, as I read the bid package from the shipyard I realized it was a wrong modification. I brought this to the attention of the shipyard, the person I spoke to said that I obviously didn’t understand the bidding process, I was to bid on what the government sent out, after getting the bid we would point out it was wrong and, since there was a change, we had to charge more.

[@cc4703]

I wonder what the Jap will do when they receive a fucked up bid package from our government. 😂

[@johnbrossack3791]

I spent my entire career in the Petro-Chemical construction space. One of our mantras was 'define the scope, define the price'. If you are going into a project, whether it be an oil refinery, commercial building, or a capital ship, with an ill-defined scope, you had better have a REALLY BIG contingency allowance. But, when these ill-defined projects are launched and it's taxpayers money, who cares?

[@wrp3621]

Yes, like the Littoral Combat Ship. A story that would make a grown man cry.

[@davidmckee533]

thank you

[@rs-dp6pr]

If you define everything, where can they get the kick backs..

[@johnbrossack3791]

@@rs-dp6pr Well...they can't.

[@stephenbrecht1696]

The taxpayer?

[@Erodkp08]

A reasonable approach wpuld be to do something like the UK Tidespring Class (Built in DSME, Korea and final outfitting in Korea) this could help with Auxiliary and other support vessels.

[@UnipornFrumm]

Free trade is good but there are certain things that should be state owned and made in the country,even if its more extensive, its about national security and stability in the country

[@JanMan37]

The US shipping industry is heavily subsidized by expensive contracts from the US government. Shipyards in East Asia needs to innovate and stay on top of the competiton to stay afloat whereas US builders can stay complacent from military contracts.

[@Ghosy01]

You can’t survive on military contracts only .

[@Joesolo13]

@@Ghosy01 Oh you definitely can.

[@Ghosy01]

@@Joesolo13 oh I meant shipbuilding not just military shipbuilding . Commercial shipbuilding will never return to America it seems .

[@andrewzheng4038]

hahahaha lets not pretend that shipyards in East Asia aren't subsidized out the wazoo; in fact, it's one of the largest sources of trade tension between China, Korea, and Japan. While it may be good policy to subsidize an industry that is so strategically important, but that doesn't have anything to do with innovation

[@octagonPerfectionist]

chinese shipyards are also subsidized. but subsidies are a good thing if it means you get to keep your strategic capability.

[@cestmoi1262]

Sal, the reason you would never make it in politics (where the real money is) is because you are too realistic and objective. But I respect you that much more.

[@dabda8510]

11:38 I think a lot of the better result in Japanese/SouthKorean shipyards has to be due to stringent project/program management. Not building until the design is done seems to be a such a smart idea for a cost effective project management.

[@ryansoe1829]

Not really. All ship class have a basic model and design for its weight class. Even if the design is not 100% complete, you can start preparing the dock for the project.

[@USMCArchAngel03]

Commercial ships can and will be used to support military logistics. And if history teaches us anything, it's the logistics that wins big wars in the end.

[@greyson042290]

and then the Enemies will think all of civilian ships are working with their enemies, and then soon we will witness the indiscriminate sinking of civies ships

[@EvaExplores-x2x]

in terms of logistics, China also has world's biggest commercial fleets.

[@vlhc4642]

And since China has the world's biggest commercial shipping fleet, and world's biggest commercial ship-building capacity, you'd think US should spend more time on how to defend China projecting power to North American than the other way around.

[@80130723]

Guess which country build the most commercial ships in the world now, China. Guess which country owns most commercial ships in the world now, also China.

[@EvaExplores-x2x]

I have explained before, China will flatten Taiwan defense with missiles and bombing campaigns. Then land troops in 2-3 go by utilizing their commercial shipping, coast guard, and fishing fleets which are also the world’s largest respectively. Their amphibious ships are not capable of this. It’s only responsible for establishing beachhead with smaller number of elite marine troops. So the main task fall on the none military fleets mentioned above and it’s very doable.

[@TopDownFinance]

It's amazing to see your ship production graph line up perfectly with 2008. This all happened because in '08 we started printing money to buy our own bonds (QE) & even bad side bets on housing (MBS). This ensures constant inflation. We lost the free market price compass. When a price goes up it is supposed to incentivize production, and when a price falls it disincentivizes production or else you go bankrupt. That's now gone. Two decades of huge corporate bailouts has rewarded bad behavior and ensured zero free market competition. Artifically low interest rates have also encouraged monopolization.

[@michaelharrington223]

Thanks for doing this show I put a question out there week or so ago so I appreciate all the effort in the details. You covered a lot more than just my question. Your opinions and evaluation was right down the lines I was thinking when it came to foreign ship building. Thanks again

[@CuriousPersonUSA]

Thank you Sal. The US Navy is a hot mess and I don't think the leadership knows how to fix it! As for the US shipyards they are monopolies with no real competition. If they can charge 3 times as much as they should for ships, deliver late and often with crappy quality then why wouldn't they? Its not like they are real consequences especially that the DoD, department of the Navy and congress have been sleeping at the wheel!

[@TheBoatPirate]

dude the military leadership IS THE PROBLEM. march their asses to Ft Leavenworth and refill those ranks only with SOLDIERS who have earned no lower than a silver star IN COMBAT, with the scars to prove it. those people will know exactly whats needed to fix a military contractor who thinks they can get away with overcharging and inferior construction.

[@theEVILone0130]

Part of the issue is new technology is not always ready for installation in the vessels when the vessels are ready. Having spent time in the shipyard as electrician on the Virginia class nuclear submarines. The technology being not ready isn't the only issue. The Labor costs are off the hook thanks to the unions. While in the ship yard we were required by the contract to put in a set number of man hours per week on the ship. The thing was we might have 5 hours of work for the day with a ten man crew and have to cover the man-hours requirements of the contract. Most of the time we had to work 5 twelves with 10 on Saturday and if you wanted it 8 on Sundays. Even if it's only enough work for a standard 40 hr week. Throw in that the subs were modular and built in 10 sections we would ship all the odd sections one at a time by barge to electric boat in Groton and they would ship there odd numbered modules by barge to Newport News. Followed by the even numbers going to Groton and the even numbers in Groton being sent to Newport news. While i get they wish to ensure both ship yards were busy. And they claim it was to ensure that the boats were the same it still seems to me that if both facilities are using the same blueprints for the boats than their being the same shouldn't be an issue. Because the cost of two tug boats and crews to haul one to the other ship yard and the wait to return with the exact same module seems wasteful because of the crews and their pay per hour, the cost of fuel and so on seems as if it's an unessary expenditure.

[@CuriousPersonUSA]

@@theEVILone0130 Thank you for sharing your experience. I am pretty sure the shipyards are billing the Navy for every hour and that is one of their corrupt way of pretending to work hard to get to 2 boats a year! For how much money we are spending on the Virginia's you would think the shipyards can afford a tug boat or ten! Someone needs to get into the weeds and do project management properly and fix all these bottlenecks which the shipyards have not been motivated to fix. I hope with all the negative attention they are getting that they are starting to feel some fire under their feet!

[@TheBoatPirate]

@akramusa yeah man the unions are waaay corrupt. you should check out the california teachers association. you look in a dictionary for corruption, youll find CTA. we have the lowest grades for students in the entire country and spend the most per student. there are over 900 school districts and each one is like a little corporation. the superintendent makes like 500k per year, and its like that with every district. the students are absolutely NOT the reason this union exists. its a scam to rip off parents and teach kids to be lgbtqz and do drugs and be criminals. unions are NOT the peoples friends. started for a good reason with no oversight, like our government, its the fox guarding the chicken coop.

[@robertlevine2152]

Sal, You hit the nail on the head. I believe the biggest problem in US shipbuilding is the US Navy. You are absolutely correct when you talk about the use of a design freeze. In Korea and Japan the design freeze is not for a single ship, but is for the class of ships. Way back when ARCO was negotiating with Avondale for what is now referred to as the Polar Endeavour Class tankers Avondale insisted that there be a clause for "impact" related to change orders. Impact is a something that evolved from Navy contracts. For example, access to the bow thruster room was originally designed using a vertical ladder. The ladder could not be caged because of interference with access for motor removal. Maintenance required a 50 or 60 foot vertical climb a 10 foot by 10 foot vertical shaft. Even with fall protection the climb was terrifying. In order to make access acceptable a modular staircase, removable for motor replacement,was designed and installed via a change order. Had the Impact clause been used ARCO would have been required to pay for the change to their five ships, plus the impact to the Coast Guard's icebreaker, and the five LPD 17s that had been contracted for. The Impact clause was dropped when ARCO insisted on the right to audit any contracts where impact was claimed. Change orders are money makers for the shipyard. They get to collect not only for the change, but for dealy and disruption to every other vessel under construction or under contract. In the mid-2000s Tim Colton, Peter Noble and I toured shipyards in Spain and Korea to discuss building LNG carriers. Each shipyard made a point of emphasizing the need for a freeze date. When they start construction on a series of ships it is a production line assembly. This is how they are able to build so many large ships. More American shipyards is a great idea, but when are you going to put them? Todd's west coast shipyards are pretty much container terminals. Long Beach naval shipyard is pretty much gone. The same is true for the repair yards. The floating drydock in Portland, Oregon is now in the Bahamas. The repair yards on the West Coast cater to the Navy. Singapore and China are the better choices for commercial ship repair. Hanwha Group has purchased Daewoo Shipbuilding (DSME), now called Hanwha Ocean. Hanwha is looking at buying Austal USA. Bob

[@stupidburp]

China is no good for repairs any more. Go to India instead. The US Navy recently just signed an agreement to do just that.

[@bangmo7]

From Korea's perspective, China's pace is terrifying. The US should do something.

[@commie5211]

The US is created with the help of France🇫🇷, maybe they should learn from the🇫🇷. Which is surrender.🏳️🏳️🏳️🏳️🏳️

[@128weilun]

🤏🤏🤏🤏🤏

[@hlcapa]

⁠china got smaller ones😂

[@wallingnaga6563]

@@hlcapa bigger isn’t always good !! There’s always a chance of saturation attack for bigger vessels.

[@MichaelScanlan-n1y]

My father was on the Panay in thee 1928 to 1930 period I believe. He was a radio operator “Sparks”.

[@zzzzzsleeping]

Last year U.S. Cerberus and Australian Austal acquired the Subic shipyard in the Philippines. This was the former U.S. base. I don't know what their plan.

[@k-studio8112]

Those will be use for commercial ship building. I hope they would also build naval ships.

[@gerryroncolato8895]

Sal, another great vid. Well done! I especially like your analysis of the second article, and I found your quotes about the FFG 62 design to be priceless!! Overall, I'm increasingly of the opinion that our (USN's) challenge in a great power war in the Western Pacific is not with combatants; it's with merchant shipping (tankers, cargo ships, tugs, repair ships (such as FLO/FLO) and the myriad smaller vessels needed to sustain combatant capability forward in a war. With that goes our industrial base and our skilled workforce. Oh, and I should mention ordnance. This is a problem some have known for a long time, but it has taken the Ukraine war to bring it to the attention of the public and our political leaders. BT. Maybe you could do a vid on the Navy's 30-year shipbuilding plan (released in April). Would love to hear your take on it!! G

[@imadequate3376]

"Oh the Japanese don't have good ships" By that logic, the British didn't have good ships because the Kongo class among several others were built at places like Vickers Armstrong in Britain and the Kongo was a pretty good dreadnought for its time.

[@Dog.soldier1950]

Yards for building ships are not really that big of a problem. However maintenance certainly is. After the closure of NYNSY in 1961 the USA had 10 Naval ship yards. Today we have 4 for a fleet that is much more complicated

[@johnfitzpatrick3416]

Having sections of ships built in Japan or Korea & shipped over to U.S. yards would definitely help yards turn out ships faster.

[@chriscain7333]

So you want us to lose more of our ship building capacity and technology, of which we already dony have enough with? How about lets invest in our own shipyards?????

[@vlhc4642]

@@chriscain7333 Neither works, the reason for to go to Japan / Korea is because there's no time for US to expand shipyards before things turn hot, problem is there's not enough time for Japan or Korea to build them either, plus their location means any ship still in drydock when war starts are dead.

[@busyhoneybee4517]

Hanwha took over Daewoo shipbuilding co. a few months ago. Hanwha is one of the most predominant conglomerates in SKorea.

[@cherrybomb1229]

SKorea can build AEGIS ships really fast. It would cut cost, and finishing could be done in US.

[@stupidburp]

Some 128 VLS cell Korean built destroyers would be pretty nice to have. Stick on our flight 3 Burke systems and it will be a beast.

[@commie5211]

@@stupidburp that's a joke. they have the same power planet with burks, which means they downgraded radar due to power sufficiency, they use spy1, later burks use psy6. plus korean ships launched much smaller missiles with their launching platforms. spy1 is a pesa they can only power 1 phase array at a time. You think the Americans are stupid, they don't know how to design larger ships?

[@Laker123abc]

I don't trust their quality!

[@commie5211]

@@Laker123abc commercial shipbuilding are using modern method to ensure quality and speed. market is the best by itself, like airbus wins the commercial airplane market, Japanese/German cars wins the car market. interm of shipbuilding alone, they built way way way better ships than the US. look at all your rust bucket burks. just look at it. deforestation everywhere.

[@cherrybomb1229]

@Laker123abc Sure, Chinese like yourself doesn't approve. LOL. Can Chinese question quality? LMAO 🤣

[@tbm3fan913]

Now I wasn't in shipping and not in the US Navy given that Nixon ended the draft before going OCS in the Navy. I instead became a doctor but my interest in the Navy has never abated to the point that I am in my 26th year restoring/rebuilding the USS Hornet every Saturday. Now I can't recall how I stumbled upon you but am glad I did. This episode was thoroughly informative and enjoyable to the point I got some smiles from your enthusiastic presentation. As for shipyards I will say that closing Mare Island was a massive mistake given their experience in submarines. I no longer get to see any sail under the Golden Gate Bridge as in days past.

[@rickkearn7100]

Environmental laws here in the US and the disappearing pool of skilled American high tech workers (by design, through de-emphasis on technical pursuits in public school systems) and the relentless destruction of pay scales as a function of corporate profiteering are some of the issues. And BTW, the lack of a "coherent strategy" in the US military shipbuilding industry is due to the influx of political pawns at the highest levels of leadership at the Pentagon and the Armed Forces in general. This YT channel is my go-to for reliable info on this subject and this episode is a perfect example of why: it covers every salient and strategic point from the perspective of someone highly knowledgeable on the subject. The point about how do you repair or upgrade foreign-built warships in time of war is the most important one I can think of, and was covered here. And I'd take one US designed and built (and manned) warship against 200 chinese designed and built warships every day of the week. Just sayin'...

[@williamlloyd3769]

Looking at recent photo of China People's Liberation Army Navy pushing out two new frigates, side by side, from construction shed was pretty sobering

[@lyin4rmu]

one of china's shipyards builds more ships than all of the shipyards in the united states

[@JohnChenAU]

There is a photo showing 5 052D destroyers built all together.

[@Erik_Ice_Fang]

It gets even more sobering when you see how fast they can make the bases and facilities related to shipyards. Took them maybe 3 years tops (concurrent) to add carrier support facilities, update multiple shipyards to make carriers and cruisers, and make new large intel and amphibious ships

[@土豆撒]

don't be panic. Chinese are good at building anything faster than the western people. China builds six times more skyscrapers than US.

[@nonconsensualopinion]

I don't know when we as a nation will wake up and realize that outsourcing everything to keep it cheap will be our undoing. Microchips, steel, ships, etc. We are addicted to cheap merchandise and we're acting like we'll always be in a state of peace. It's insane.

[@mptoast4061]

Please keep posting informing non biased videos! you’re a entire lifetime of knowledge

[@manuelbarreto7032]

I think what most americans do not understand is that china was always number one during milenia. This is not something modern, China was 23% GDP during Augustus era and Roma was barely 8% of GDP, let that sink in. Another thing americans do not grasp and cannot comprehend is that China is a vastly advanced civilization that have survived during milenia and endured even greater threats than the US represents today. The most important thing to bear in mind is that China is not going to replace the US, because that would mean going backwards, China is not going to be the Sheriff of the world and be an agressor like the US. China is the middle kingdom, and as such would trade with anybody to sustain a peacefull coexistence, you cannot thrive during milennia being an agressor. China is like that old wise man that has lived more years and thus has more experience, is for westerners like us a great opportunity to stop and learn from them whatever we can adapt to ourselves. ❤😊

[@fortress-r7y]

im korean and stop bullxxx if you want live under chinese communism than try you can go anytime to china and understand about “chinism”

[@christopherrabaldo3377]

It's called a design-build. It's pretty common in road and building construction now. Stadiums and highways are built this way all the time now.

[@jeffmoss309]

I am a shipwright in the San Francisco bay area. It is so many of us retired, but we were willing to donate our time to Bring back the shipyards, make the Navy strong again. Maintenance is easy, but majority of us know how to build ships to get back to our country.

[@dannylo5875]

I can’t believe our government rotted at the core allowed our shipyards to rot. They did not even have a state of the art robotic shipyard on standby. We are mothballing more of our fleets and taking them apart for spare parts. We are not even prepared for the next gen of modern warfare at all.

[@elcastorgrande]

The USA sent its entire manufacturing industry overseas in the 1980s. We got cheap goods. We now must buy back at compound interest what we gave away .

[@imjashingyou3461]

The US currently manufactures more goods both gross and per capita then anytime until before 1970. The difference is it doesn't require humans to do it any more. It's all robots, and it's a diversified industry now. It's not complete cars, and ships. Now it's car parts and ship systems.

[@keith6371]

@@imjashingyou3461you should check data more carefully, a large part of US manufacturing goods today are processed food and other none industrial products such as soda, drugs etc. US drug costing 20 times, sometimes 100 times more than Chinese or Indian drugs, but they use the exact same Chinese chemical ingredients. So the data is fake in a way

[@chriscain7333]

​@@imjashingyou3461i dont give a shit about nonsense like "ship systems", i want us to be able to roll out ships as fast and as many as humanly possible when the chinese attack, no amount of "parts and system" can help us to achieve that, and people like you encourage we give more to asian countries, of which are so close to china and easily attacked.

[@vlhc4642]

Please tell me the year when US used to manufacture smart phones or LCD TVs prior to them being sent abroad.

[@duran9664]

😮‍💨what a relief 😮‍💨 I thought ur last video was the channel finale after the end of Suez Canal/Ever Given Saga.

[@wgowshipping]

Finale? I waiting for the next Evergreen vessel to get stuck.

[@Ivc406]

Good morning, Sal everthing thats going on in USA regarding shipbuilding navy ships, we in UK had the same problem with commercial shipping, BP oil started to get most of there tankers built in Korea they were built quicker,not better, we have a shortage of skilled workers ie welders,shipwrights, fabricators,due to reduction in apprenticeship training, also when UK yards put in a tender for a ship we had to agree in principal that there was no subsidiaries from our Government,but no so elsewhere sorry but keep youre shipbuilding in house get apprenticeships for the future,regards🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿🇬🇧🛠️

[@amariner5]

Sal, Excuse me, Dr. Sal, I'm on a ship, built in China, and we are doing Navy/Airforce/Army supply missions.

[@tiitsaul9036]

Thanks. Thats the difference, some journalist writing an article about shipping and you, who is clearly passionate about shipping.

[@stevesangster626]

The same crap happened with the B-29. There were so many changes during construction that production stalled. Can't remember who it was that took over the task of management but all design changes stopped. Then they kinda built some bombers.

[@anhemta6979]

That is a great idea to subcontract to S korea or Japan and Vietnam . They can built for their own self defense and we can provide ship negotiated self defense systems

[@philfortner1805]

US Navy ships do great in commercials, Top Gun movies, and fighting 3rd world opponents. But things are different against hypersonic missiles and cat lasers. Laser cats are tough because you never see them coming!

[@vincentdesun]

When you see most US warships are rusted outside, you can imagine how they look inside.

[@JK-zw8ec]

Thanks!

[@wgowshipping]

Thanks for your support!

[@raylauderback5126]

Great video! I've always thought that the recent aggressive behavior of the Chinese and Russian navies involving near misses and collisions with the USN is the simple fact that they know how long it will take our ships to get repaired.

[@User_R4nD0MnUmb3R5]

With hundreds of military bases surrounding China and Russia. A military spending exceeding the sum of all the enemies. The US is safe, my dude, the media is playing us. You do not want to see WW3, neither do I. Let’s stop adding fuel to the fire, can we?

[@robisverybad75]

Or the fact that Taiwan is as close to China as Cuba is to Florida and they don't fucking like it.

[@Erik_Ice_Fang]

The Russians would lose the repair battle every time now. I would recommend checking out the Admiral Kuznetsov Carrier and Kirov battle cruisers. The Chinese on the other hand, that is a very interesting idea

[@robisverybad75]

@@Erik_Ice_Fang Yes China has 200 to 1 ship building capacity of the USA. kzbin.info/www/bejne/hKrOhKaGos1rbJI

[@gamerfan8445]

@@Erik_Ice_Fangchina probably has the same problem

[@longtsun8286]

Remember when the US pressured France to cancel the sale of French amphibious assault ships to Russia? If the US Navy outsources its shipbuilding to Japan and South Korea, what will stop China from pressuring those Asian nations to cancel the sale of warships to us?

[@stevepirie8130]

Or sanction them. Madness for sea faring nations to give away their abilities and experience.

[@ADHJkvsNgsMBbTQe]

There are scenarios where ‘design-build’ works, just like agile software development can be quite successful under the right circumstances - but maybe this type of shipbuilding isn’t one of them.

[@mateoblanco285]

Right. Applying design build, which is a construction management practice, to these naval vessels isn’t the right application of design build.

[@ADHJkvsNgsMBbTQe]

I would tend to agree. When just a few of any type are being built, they are essentially a one-off as a group. However, modularity may be one way to help us bring back shipbuilding that can scale. Consider how customizable factory-built homes can be these days. Not every wheel needs to be reinvented each time. So I do think there may be a happy compromise possible in the future that could make shipbuilding faster and more economical.

[@ofb1583]

Shandong, Liaoning, Kuznetzov already have a significant battle to fight, keeping them out of dry dock. They can barely keep them afloat & not alight much less trying to get them up to flank with hostile planes & missiles in the vicinity. The first island chain may not be inviolate but it is apparently a most significant hurdle for the moment. less than 10 % can range over 1000 miles in a straight line at fuel efficient speeds, imagine how much shorter that becomes with evasive course & speed changes constantly trying to challenge interception plots for adversary munitions. No one believes hot conflict is cost free but the cost balance will be heavily weighted as the quality difference massively helps the smaller US fleet, it won't be smaller for long!

[@uribury871]

In Korea, the shipbuilding industry is facing labor shortages because of hard dangerouswork , so there are attempts to supplement the insufficient workforce by employing foreign workers. However, they are experiencing challenges due to skill-level issues.

[@user-BigshortGO]

품질이나 기술 수준은 문제없다. 하지만 요즘 한국의 상황은 용접공들이 호황기 때와는 다르게 현재 제대로 된 임금을 받지 못하고 있다. 그 부분에서 해결이 된다면 많은 사람들이 조선업으로 다시 복귀할 것입니다. 그 문제를 미국이 도와준다면 서로가 승리하여 중국을 억누를 수 있는 게임을 할 것입니다.

[@user-BigshortGO]

장담컨데 한국인들의 손재주는 세계최고 수준입니다.

[@Xfighter000]

​@dorddord8634They aren't foolish enough to build warships for the same country they're having problems with

[@128weilun]

@@user-BigshortGO 韓國狗不吹牛會死嗎?👌🤏

[@128weilun]

@@user-BigshortGO 🤏🤏🤏🤏🤏🤏🤏🤏

[@joblo341]

Why did the latest class of aircraft carriers go over budget by $BILLIONS and years over original delivery date. Changing specs! They are still trying to figure out the aircraft catapult. and "electronic" elevators... The US and Europe have the same problem in armament. You no longer have the industrial capacity to make shells and missiles, let alone the guns to fire them. For example, they have a 10-15 year wait to fulfill all of the orders for the HIMARS missile launchers. As a result, Poland switched it's planned order of 500 HIMARS to Korea. They bought the first few directly from Korea, and got a license to build the rest in Poland!

[@michaelhogan4337]

Crushing labor unions and then lamenting the shortage of skilled labor is ridiculous.

[@dwwolf4636]

Yeah, no.

[@Georgewilliamherbert]

A good option here would be new replacements for all the sealift ships that are aging out.

[@jimmyrk3]

Should the US outsource all of its shipbuilding to Japan? No. Should the US outsource all of its shipbuilding to South Korea? No. Should the US restart/increase American shipbuilding and contract with Japan AND South Korea to attempt to rebuild the US Navy? Yes, with a vengeance.

[@JMintzmyer]

All of the above policy probably makes sense.

[@jm2453]

Right we partner with Fincantieri. I'd have loved to have had the Japanese compete their current mid size destroyers against that ship. Same with Korean KDX-II.

[@kimchiba4570]

Dun worry.. These 2 will remain loyal even after screwed

[@bjturon]

On the modern US Navy building ships before the plans are completed, it's like they have forgotten the lessons of the Casco-class "Light Monitor Fiasco" of the US Civil War, which was well covered in the book by William H. Roberts, "Civil War Ironclads: The U.S. Navy and Industrial Mobilization". Fixed-price Contracts with dozens of new and inexperience shipyards for twenty light-draft monitors were signed before the Casco-class design was finished, change orders delay construction, required de-construction, the ironclad ships ended up too heavy to float without major alterations raising the freeboard or eliminating the turret, the builders all lost money and closed shop.

[@TheCiller10]

The problem as I see it is the profits taken by the questionably owned private businesses that are awarded government contracts. It’s a massive problem in the entire west, people related to government officials ripping off public finances for substandard services. The over runs and inflated prices are a symptom of the way contracts are awarded. The Asians have it right with direct government subsidies that actually boost their infrastructure rather than the people at the top of the corporations that are awarded the contracts

[@TargaWheels]

You know what's weird? I wrote a comment similar to this...and it disappeared. I don't think Sal would do that...but KZbin would.

[@TheCiller10]

@@TargaWheels mines still here for the time being, at least some people will see it

[@TargaWheels]

@@TheCiller10 If your comment goes away, the comments we make below it would go away too.

[@peglegpete6656]

Many years ago I was in the US Navy, if our department didn’t spend all the money from last quarter our budget for the next quarter was cut. Rest assured we spent it all.

[@cameltanker1286]

So professor, when will we see your rebuttal article in Real Clear Defense?

[@JadeParker-r6q]

The days when the United States had the speciality of building warships are long gone. Warships are also consumable in wartime, so how about continuous procurement? The Navy has to figure out how to get it at a low price. Korea is the best robot operator, and almost all shipyards in Korea use robots.

[@linlaobei1]

Do you think it is still can build warships in Japan and Korea when the war started?

[@jm2453]

Japan's Maya was real close to the cost of a IIA Burke in same year money. KStG in Korea appears much cheaper, but I think their number may be the yard contract and not include GFE. Even then it would be a little cheaper.

[@maryjohansson3627]

Great video. Thanks for shedding some light on the industry. I worked for a defense firm that sold electronic equipment to the US Navy. Designs change as they go through reviews. They also change when prototype is built. Not sure if you can firm up design too far in advance… just a thought.

[@echomande4395]

A few years ago Damen, a dutch shipbuilder, built the hull for a naval ship (the Karel Doorman) at a romanian yard it owns. That hull was then moved to the Netherlands for fitting out. Maybe the USN should look at having a european, japanese or korean shipbuilder build a batch of hulls for them and have the usual suspects fit them out stateside. Giving the USN back its shipbuilding capabiliity should allow it to discover and sanction shenanigans at civilian shipbuilders. It would also give the USN a place to prototype its ship designs before farming them out for mass manufacture. Personally I think though that labor unions can be blamed for a lot of issues.

[@mwal223]

You shouldn't talk about labour unions like that, since you clearly know nothing about how they work or what they do

[@KirbyZhang]

Russians are looking at building their next naval ships in China, then outfit them back home. Their naval budget isn't that big, China would like to sell complete ships with better combat systems.

[@JS-zv3yw]

Friend source in the short term. At the same time build up local industry so ships can be built in country in the long term.

[@michaelcowling9928]

We have three options here. Option 1: small fleet of domestically built ships that cost the tax payers a fortune to build and maintain. Option 2: same sized fleet of foreign built ships that save the taxpayers money on the build but maintained domestically to maintain the shipyard infrastructure Option 3: vastly bigger fleet that can cover a lot more territory and maintain the sea lanes that cost the tax payers the same cost to build as the smaller domestically built fleet. Maintain it abroad, which I agree is terrible for a national defense posture but it saves the taxpayers money...or maintain it domestically for a little more cost I refuse to believe that we will lose the required American shipbuilding expertise by offshoring future construction because we already lost that expertise decades ago. It's gone and there's no reason for it to come back from a business standpoint. I refuse to believe we would lose the ability to repair damaged ships if we had a bigger fleet that needed more maintenance and repairs than our present day small fleet. We've got such a long maintenance backlog right now, with the small fleet that the shipyards are already struggling to keep up. Even if we had the same size foreign built fleet, we've still got more maintenance to do than we have time to do it in. The shipyards aren't at risk of running out of things to do.

[@orangutan4696]

Realistic comment.

[@yuriyu123]

You can start accepting that the US is in decline, and that it doesn't have to be the world "police" anymore, nor to have "backyard". Maybe by looking inwards for some generations, and somehow restarting the economy (purging the corrupt US government * wink wink *), the US could re-emerge. Maybe.

[@echoeversky]

We need to vertically integrate this. Worked for Tesla. And with steel production comes neon extraction!

[@echoeversky]

Which is used in semiconductor production.

[@yongohkim1315]

Korean shipbuilding companies are currently in a great boom. Docks where you can build ships now are full until 2027. And we are suffering from a chronic labor shortage. Korean shipbuilders no longer build low-cost bulk carriers or oil tankers. Only high-value high-tech ships are selected and built. The technology used by Korean shipbuilding companies to build ships is state-of-the-art and uses the latest construction methods. Last year, the latest construction method was used to build the Aegis destroyer, and it holds a world record enough to launch the ship in just 8 months. The dry dock drying method was also developed for the first time by a Korean shipbuilder and made a warship.

[@daviwweston2566]

Overseas building is just a good way to send huge amounts of your GNP to other countries, also then leaves a security issue in times of conflict as then they would know the weakness of your ships.

[@daheuh]

China is a country that loves peace very much and does not enjoy war historically. In the past forty years, the Chinese military has not even fought even one war. The United States is the most powerful country in the world, and if the United States is willing to live in harmony with China, China has no reason not to. Becoming friends between two nuclear powers is a very good thing for humanity. What I don't understand is why many American politicians always want to go to war with China? If we really go to war with China, what can the United States gain besides dying many people?

[@kristinesdad9676]

Pls include Subic Bay in the Phils which is a working shipyard.

[@thomaszhang3101]

I think the United States Navy should task Chinese companies to build it. I heard they had experience building a lot of military ships recently.

[@ChrisZ901]

Thats a great idea. They could take these ships hostage when they decide to reunite with Taiwan 😊

[@光蛟程]

​@@ChrisZ901don't think so. They will deliver the products to the payer.

[@ChrisZ901]

@@光蛟程 Until the payer decides to militarily intervene in Taiwan which is what this payer had told the Taiwanese government. Do you think they would deliver new weapons to their adversary that they are fighting against

[@jacobh9487]

Their brand new aircraft carrier are seen with HUGE cracks on the deck visible from a high up drone footage, also the deck BURNS with high heat of jet exhaust. I don't think that is a "good" idea. Nobody buys Chinese ships anymore after multiple expensive Chinese made LNG containers got stranded in the high seas due to engine failure, and the Chinese just could NOT fix them. They may be the largest ship builders in the world, but they're all forced manufacture for the Chinese military and Chinese shipping companies.

[@thomaszhang3101]

@@jacobh9487 bro it’s not crack, just water from testing fire suppression system pooling into a stream. Look it up, even American think tanks debunked it.

[@The_Modeling_Underdog]

Coming from SubBrief's video on USS Connecticut, expenditure, etc. I think another question is: "Can the PLAN out-train the USN?".

[@mattd8686]

While this is a legitimate line if inquiry, I will say this: it's hard to reinvigorate your industrial base if the build contracts go overseas.

[@Bonksticker]

A bit like the dutch navy ships, the casco is build in Romania,and the final fitting and dressing of the vessel happens in the Neterlands

[@lambertgiang]

China is the only country that can build all 3 of these type of ocean-going LNG carrier, Cruise ship and aircraft carrier.

[@LadyMarie880]

PLEASE HELP OUT ON THIS QUESTION. Head office of Marshall Islands. were in Virginia. Thanks

[@wgowshipping]

11495 Commerce Park Dr, Reston, VA 20191

[@hansweissmann_xviii6754]

I don’t get it, China can outperform the US in ship building, why does that imply Japan and South Korea can outperform China?! Odd logic….

[@rainbowsixODST]

Both are 2nd and 3rd in ship building capacity(combined they are just short of China’s). Plus being able to use their infrastructure to support our fleet would free up a lot of space in America to build new warships.

[@hansweissmann_xviii6754]

@@rainbowsixODST 22 minutes ago Both are 2nd and 3rd in ship building capacity(combined they are just short of China’s). Plus being able to use their infrastructure to support our fleet would free up a lot of space in America to build new warships. Let me guess, Korea and Japan both have to import raw materials from China? Well, good luck with that wishful thinking! It was entertaining though.....

[@rainbowsixODST]

@@hansweissmann_xviii6754 Plenty of other countries with raw material besides China.

[@hansweissmann_xviii6754]

@@rainbowsixODST 7 hours ago @hansweissmann_xviii6754 Plenty of other countries with raw material besides China. So, never heard of rare earth before I see.....

[@rainbowsixODST]

@@hansweissmann_xviii6754 Why are you being a smartass? The USA produced 43,000 MT of rare earth materials in 2022 and those numbers continues to go up as new mines and refineries are opened. Plus a number of America’s allies such as Australia also produces rare earth materials.

[@RexBennett-w5v]

as far as the sub service issue it is a matter of dry dock space. portsmouth has 3 dry docks. only 2 can hold the sea wolf. mare island i wad told was closed it could be reopened but will have the same issue as portsmouth.

[@citizend13]

I mean the Philippines is sitting on a mothballed shipyard that when active was what 4th largest in the world. The US navy I think is renting part of it, but if they wanted to they've got everything they need there to repair and resupply ships close disputed areas.

[@chriscain7333]

All these countries are not ideal, since the chinese can use cheaper short range missles to perform saturation attacks (meaning impossible to defend with giving how far the us is how difficult to supply these bases).

[@ZokThan]

Subic, Philippines, is also a good choice for military shipbuilding. It is strategically located in the Asia Pacific region and benefits from cheap labor that is highly talented.

[@bgshin2879]

@ ZokThan Minor problem with Subic. Subic was built and operated with help from Korea. Unfortunately various investigations and politicking pushed Koreans out and Subic had not been the same since. It is not capable to repair their own naval vessels let alone service anyone else’s. The amount of delays and engineering incapabilities would shock anyone. Also if we are concerned with Chinese 1st A2AD line, Subic sits firmly within.

[@ulooqulg]

Name us 1 BIG SHIP made in Philippines....

[@secramis4558]

@@ulooqulg CMA CGM Antoine de Saint Exupery is one of the world’s biggest commercial vessels, built by Hanjin Heavy Industries and Construction Philippines. 100% Made in Philippines and mostly crafted by Filipinos.

[@vincentdesun]

Philippine navy has only 6 ships and 0 logistics to build large surface vessels. No cheap labor is highly talented.

[@vincentdesun]

@@secramis4558 "Commercial vessels" try harder

[@dgax65]

A coherent strategy would be to offshore auxiliary/non-combatants to Korea and Japan. They have the shipbuilding capacity to start building in the near term. Along with tankers/Ready Reserve Force ships we should also start building floating dry docks, tenders, heavy lift, salvage vessels and ocean-going tugs. Concurrent with the overseas building program, the US must change it's procurement processes to include changes to the Federal Acquisition Regulations, design, building and testing. We also need to subsidize existing shipyards and the building of new yards. This should allow us to expand shipbuilding and repair capacity in US yards, surge combatant construction at those yards and expand the workforce of skilled shipbuilders. As capacity increases and we have met immediate combatant needs we can slowly start to shift the auxiliary/non-combatant construction back to the US yards. This would have to be a massive DoD project similar to the Navy expansion in the 1980's, but it would have to be more than just building ships. The keys to making this effective would hinge on changes to the FARs and completely altering the design/build mindset of both the Navy and builders. It would also require a network of associated technical training institutions, with curricula and standards controlled by the government, that would serve as a pipeline into the shipbuilding industry, navy and merchant marine.

[@dabda8510]

RFA Tidespring (A136) was built at Daewoo shipyard in ROK. She was launched in 2015.

[@seanpruitt6801]

Such a great and FRUSTRATING video to watch.

[@JK-zw8ec]

Excellent report. Very informative.

[@dabda8510]

I believe Daewoo shipyard was just purchased by Hanwha, which is a large weapons manufacturer of S. Korea. .

[@krasavchik8714]

25:24 I think that country of Morocco could be a great ship building country for the US. Only positives and no negatives. It is an Allie of the US. Labour there is very cheap. Young and growing population that has a lot of educated people in Europe. Large population of 38+ million people. Country faces both medetteranialn sea and Atlantic ocean. US is just across from the Atlantic ocean. Also no major players like China or Russia in the region.

[@nfineon]

The US navy's latest frigate was designed and built by an Italian firm. The 2 latest ship classes made in the US failed and programs scrapped at the cost of several 10's of billions (LCS) for a handful of cracking/leaking demontration ships. Meanwhile China made 20 combat ships and a 2 carriers for the same cost in 1/10th the time.

[@shhamat-sw4po]

My guess is that the US has given a contract to private companies to build and the private companies will mark up the price for profit. Meanwhile in China and Russia, all defence industries are Government Linked Company (GLC) so it is the government that decided the price and not the companies since the companies actually belong to the government....

[@청솔향-g9u]

When it comes to warships, the reason why Korea begins shipbuilding only after the design has been decided is that when planning a project, the performance of foreign ships of existing designs, especially American ships, is brought in and reconfigured as appropriate for the tactics or operations desired by the Republic of Korea, followed by a substantive review. When the final business decision is made, the design has already been completed. In other words, the main focus of ship construction is simply to implement 100% of the functions of the already designed ship. Moreover, Korea is already familiar with modular technology in commercial shipbuilding. In many cases, ship owners or bidders request design changes or work changes during or at the end of work for political or other reasons. However, if modularization is possible in design and construction, you can change to the existing option method at any time and respond within the range permitted by design, needs, and cost. When this method is applied to ships, there is no difficulty because modularization ultimately focuses on optimization rather than performance.

[@davidpawson7393]

Not trying to be that guy but I did predict China surpassing the US, social cancer, corporate media etc 24 years ago when my poor 32" Sony Trinitron suffered a lead overdose in the commercial fishing village I left DC for, 7 years before. You rock, we're screwed and I'm taking my 35 year old free mountain bike for a ride that was proudly made in America with excellent Japanese built brakes and shifters.

[@5anjuro]

Designing and building at the same time happens all the time in construction. Inevitably it leads to unnecessary avoidable changes, causes timeline and budget overruns. To me focusing on a couple of mature designs, an improved Burke for instance or America class LHDs, and outsourcing them to the allies can build them at scale is almost a no brainer. There's Japan, there's Australia, there's Canada. Korea, i am less certain. They seem to be more "leaky" in China's favor. Meanwhile the US shipyards can relearn to maintain them, and to build them. It'll take some time to train.

[@UbermanNullist]

As a Korean, I'm rather encouraged that the U.S. is starting to pay attention to the importance of the shipbuilding industry. Let's be honest. Was there any place in the world without subsidies after 2008? China started subsidizing everything, and manufacturing in all sectors of the rest of the world gradually collapsed. The bankers knew that the world's manufacturing industry was in a complete mess, but they only cared about making their own money. The bankers irresponsibly supplied money, and China used that money to subsidize manufacturing in all sectors. They didn't just subsidize manufacturing, they subsidized politicians, media, and NGOs in major countries. From a Korean perspective, It wasn't really about subsidize our shipbuilding industry but about only few things left we could protect. we evaluated what was necessary for national security and survival. The cost of saving Daewoo Shipbuilding & Marine Engineering at that time was too painful. For a country's economy that fully relies on maritime trade, selling the largest shipping company we own is a painful experience. anyway Korea's shipbuilding industry was slowly collapsing, and it's good that the U.S. has recognized its importance now. All subsidies are time bombs because they inevitably corrupt. I think it's a similar principle that explains why the US warship building industry is so unproductive. Investing in shipbuilding in countries like Finland is a great idea. We need to rebuild an environment where we can compete on market principles within democratic countries.

[@AirRider44]

We could leverage them for surge capacity, but we should primarily invest the money in Navy-owned shipyards with enlisted and officer ship builders to compete with industry. We could also build the yards, and have contractors operate them. In any case, having our own shipyards that money comes directly back into our economy.

[@harrymiller3986]

If you consider that many ship yards in china went bankrupt last year and Korea pulled out of china there are lots of potential for more than projected

[@EvaExplores-x2x]

There are hundreds of support industries in china to support shipbuilding, smaller ship yards failing means others will pop up because shipbuilding in china are subsidized by the government, now china is into cruiseliners as well.

[@rationalthinker2200]

The final analysis is ..The Chinese shipyard worker works at least 25% longer hours at 40% cheaper wages than the average US shipyard worker. And if you google average IQ of Chinese,Japanese and Korean workers they rank in the top 5 of the world. Whereas Average US worker is in the teens global ranking in worker IQ . For every Billion US government can chose to subsidize US shipyards the Chinese need only subsidize 200$ million ..? Now US can continue to compete on subsidize basis..and with US Government already in $35 Trillion debt and rising by the minute...you see where it eventually leads to ..A fiscal meltdown in the whole US economy.. The fundamental problem is the West has gone lazy with the altitude of less work but wants more leisure and pay ...Thomas Edison once says a genious is 99% perspiration ( relentless hard work ) and 1% inspiration..It is just the way of the human psychic..One Arab sheikh commented ..my Great grandfather rode only on camels..my Grandfather rode on Horses and my Father ,me and my son rode on Mercedes but my grandson will be on carts and my great grandson will be back on the camel...maybe a bit later if they put a bit more discipline ...

[@dennisboulais7905]

We are already having a problem with having enough jobs for our people. Keeping the navy shipbuilding at home is crutial. The technology and infrastructure required are a positive benefit to our economy.

[@campkohler9131]

How are you going to enforce the handling of classified material for warships on foreign soil?

[@thedamnyankee1]

The Japanese absolutely had a track record before WW2. They crushed the Russians in the Russo-Japanese war so hard it changed naval doctrine around the planet.

[@commie5211]

because all the ports around the global was owned by the British, the Russian couldn't get any supply on its way to the fareast. They had to load their ship full of low quality coals. When they finally got to the far east, the Japanese already got intels from the British, and prepared for month. only a couple gun fires, all the Russian ships was set on fire due to there was too much coals out in the open. absolutely horrible. It got nothing to do with tactics.

[@ZGryphon]

TBF, that was at least as much about the Imperial Russian Navy being terrible as it was about the Imperial Japanese Navy being good.

[@thedamnyankee1]

@@commie5211 here we are in 2023 and you are spewing casual racism. It had everything to do with tactics. The Japanese kept the Russians at distance firring only their main guns. A realization that lead to the Dreadnaught and its similar ships.

[@commie5211]

@@thedamnyankee1 historical fact, you call it racism? it is written in history text book. something fucked up on your education.

[@commie5211]

@@thedamnyankee1 By the way, the Russo-Japanese war happened in Manchuria, The Japanese suffered heavy losses as well, but all the local people and Qing dynasty gov was secretly supporting Japan, and helped with their supply and logistics, because imperial Russia was seen as land grabbers. If any nation is more brutal then the Japanese, it was the Russians. Japanese is actually afraid of the Russians not because Russia is strong, but they were extremely brutal to the Japanese. You can see the effects even today, Japan is never afraid of China, but they are afraid of the Russians. 🤣🤣🤣🤣