China vs. Vietnam, 1979: Continuing Implications by Dr. Xiaoming Zhang

[@expsterm1]

China is the one that was taught a lesson. The Vietnamese soldiers were hardened by fighting for decades against the French and the U.S.

[@mhow4967]

Without China's help Vietnam would get nowhere.

[@billlam7756]

Vietnamese been at war nonstop for 2000 years, their soul occupation, master at guerrilla warfare

[@安神-u6g]

The Chinese don't need Vietnamese to teach us anything, because the Communist Party of Vietnam fought with our assistance, and a considerable number of your military officials were trained on Chinese territory. Without our help in the most difficult time of the Vietcong, you should still be a French or American colony.

[@billlam7756]

@@安神-u6g so you saying you wanna speak japanese ? Without allied help in ww2 you be speaking Japanese or British if you wanna roll back a lil more

[@dvtran3567]

Senseless incursion that cost lots of Chinese and Vietnamese lives . Polpot had to go and Vietnam did the job when no other counties had the balls. At the end of the day, the Vietnamese established their goal of getting rid of Polpot and pushed the Chinese back...at least the international community sees it that way. To be honest everyone in the west laughed at China for the longest time because the Vietnamese were able to fight in 2 fronts and still established their goal.

[@yuanlaixianzai3243]

nuclear bomb

[@gamingrex2930]

Yeah what the fuck man. China should have been aware that the invasion of Laos was to kick out Pol. It was never an affront to China nor did Vietnam say anything. Really this was a very petty reason that costed hundreds of thousands of lives.

[@manhhungnguyen1450]

Beginning he said "Vietnam helped Cambodia to liberate from Khmer Rouge (actually supported by China) was not the reason China invaded Vietnam" and bla bla that was a perception of threat during cool war. Then at 53'10" he said "Vietnam leaving Cambodia was the reason for normalization...". What kind of tongue he has?

[@jimboblordofeskimos]

A chinese one?

[@anjurkrishnan7831]

Prof Zheng, if you can call him one, is a paid ccp stooge... like 10 cent army of current day ccp. The sturdy Vietnam soldiers hit Deng between his legs so badly, he limped away back to china ...bleeding...he did not bother to collect some of the war dead.....ccp is all fluff...the ccp can't loose face with its own citizens.. they kept such a tight lid on news many in china did not even know such a war happened... ccp is scarred of its own people...

[@thangphamuc2773]

At all, this man admitted that, Vietnam was the victim of China leader's calculation. The threat was fabricated by their mind. The wrong point in his speech is "Vietnam leaders came to China begging for forgiveness", you should know, when Vietnam leader came to China for discussing peace was 1991 after China and US turning back to confrontation each others again because of Tiān'ānmén event. That time, both country leaders thought they needed each others in real context.

[@newlife-su7sd]

well. you should watch it again. without your nationalist views. i already guessed you are from vietnam. the 1989 tiananmen was short lives difficulty for us-china relations. they were good for the next 10years at least. vietnam gdp was too weak to be needed by chinese

[@nguyenduong8815]

Of course they are trying to belittle Vietnam. A common tatic from the bitter losing side. An enormous country with huge population but had to surrender to a much smaller nation the Mandchouria, that country don't have much lesson to teach Vietnam about bravery, i assure you.

[@observerjoe4292]

@@newlife-su7sd Weak or not, The Vietnamese has always been the bulwark against the Chinese expansionism. We have been live with the Chinese for millenia. China has to learn to live with their neighbors too. You implied Mr. Duc nationalist view. Mr. Zhang used words such as "begging" to the Vietnamese, "big people" to the Chinese. Yeh right!

[@commie5211]

@@nguyenduong8815 go learn history before talking, ming dynasty was overthrown by li zicheng, it caused the ming dynasty general to collaborated with Manchurian emperor. Qing dynasty never said or did overthrown Ming dynasty. Manchurian was sinicized ever since Song dynasty. There are a mix of northern Chinese, mongols and xianbei. They write and speaks Chinese, use Chinese academic and bureaucratic systems , they are like freaking 90% northern Chinese. They were minority during Ming dynasty. So the south Chinese accepted it.

[@vu34568]

@@newlife-su7sd HAVE SOME SIMPLE NOTES I LEARNED FROM THE WORLD, GLOBAL INTERNET: 1. Cambodians asked the Vietnamese to help them eliminate Polpot troops. Pol-pot troops did horrible things. So Vietnamese were good guys when they invaded Cambodia. 2. America had a war with Vietnam so they supported Polpot troops at that time. But why did China help the pol-pot by attacking Vietnam though they used to help each other as communists? -->The answer is: China turned to America due to their deal 'USA helps China develop its economy' and now we have the 2nd economy in the world 3. China attacked while Vietnamese troops were not in Vietnam and the folks had to defend themselves that's a crime indeed

[@nvt6781]

Summary : the Chinese wanted to teach the Vietnamese a lesson. They lost ten of thousand soldiers while teaching but the Vietnamese didn’t learn anything. In the end the Chinese lost the teaching job! LOL

[@namhuynh9290]

lol true !!!

[@mantraveling4755]

According to the summary of the work of self defense and counterattack against Vietnam compiled by the Logistics Department of Kunming Military Region, 6954 people were killed and more than 21000 people were injured by the PLA and the former militia of Guangxi and Yunnan from February 17 to March 16, 1979. I am always very cautious about official casualties declared by Vietnam government. If they really beaten PLA and suffered a compared small number of causality why does Vietnam keep it as a secret? Even two countries was fighting on the border during 1979-1987?

[@nvt6781]

@@mantraveling4755 if you believe all the Chinese Official Statements, I have a Great car to sell to you…I think they are both losers! They sacrificed ten of their citizen lives tried to teach others the lessons that they did not even understand themselves. They both claimed they are the righteous one: The Chinese for stoping the invading Vietnamese Army and the Vietnamese for liberating Cambodia from genocide regime. The truth is they are both evil-they deserve each other. LOL. Long live Falun Dafa!

[@diehardcat]

@@mantraveling4755 'Leaks from Chinese military sources' means BS! LOL!

[@maniufeng]

According wiki Vietnam lose 120k ，who's the teacher😂😂

[@tobefair4441]

As a Chinese I would try to answer this question as unbiased as I can. But instead of arguing who actually won the war, I would rather talk about the implications and background of this war on China’s side. Honestly this is not a glory war for China, China did invade Vietnam despite any reasons. We all understand that the war is the extend of politics, war servers the purpose of politics. So what the purpose of this war for China is? To invade Vietnam? To punish Vietnam like what Chinese government has propagated? No, it was ironic that from the very beginning China’s primary purpose had never been Vietnam. In my opinion China had at least 3 strategic purposes. 1. jeopardize global reputation of Soviet Union. 2. strive for supports and aids from U.S and western world. 3. And the ultimate goal was to strength Den Xiaoping’s authority in China and hence starts his plan of reforming China. Background information: In 1979 Soviet Union is a hostile country of China; China had established full diplomatic relationship with U.S in 1/1/1979; Vietnam was a firm ally of Soviet and the relationship with China was tense; Vietnam invaded Cambodia; China has just recovered from the chaos caused by the ten years cultural revolution, Den Xiaoping took the power of CCP and he had planned to conduct a huge political and economical reform in China. And his plans desired a favourable international and domestic environment. I am not going to talk about how close China and Vietnam were before, and I am not going to give the precise number of how much resources China had contribute to Vietnam to fight U.S. Circumstances had changed, Vietnam was no longer a friend but U.S had became one, the rest were irrelevant. China needed an opportunity and Vietnam had just provided one. By invading Cambodia, Vietnam had gave China an excuse for the war. （Khmer Rouge is another topic）By sending the majority of Vietnamese elite troops to Cambodia and ignored the existence of China, Vietnam had just gave China a chance for the war, and Den Xiaoping seized the chance. In 17/02/1979, 200,000 Chinese troops had entered Vietnam territory along the 1,000 kilometers China-Vietnam border, the war had begun. But I am not going to discus the details of the battles. In 05/03/1979, after taking the major cities in north Vietnam, even the route to the capital of Vietnam is flat as a pancake, Den Xiaoping had ordered his troops to retreat back to China. The war had ended, and both sides claimed a victory. Because he clearly understood the costs of continuing the war for China would be huge and exceed the benefits. Vietnam army were tough and experienced. The casualties of Chinese army in the first 2 days of the war had reached 4,000 and shocked the central military community. This war had also revealed many serious problems of Chinese army. Soldiers were unprofessional and poorly equipt. Military tactics were obsolete and command system was a mess, even friendly fire had happened. And the military ranking system were abandoned during the cultural revolution, soldiers did not receive further orders when their direct commanders were killed in the battlefield. So this war and the later Gulf war alert China to transform and modernize its army. But on the other hand, no matter how bravely the Vietnamese army fought, China was still a giant to Vietnam. China could easily allocate a small portion of its national resources to drag Vietnam into a endless warfare. The small military conflicts and battles on the borders did not stop with the war until the 1990s. In more than 10 years time, troops from different Chinese military districts took turns entered into the conflict zone for training and weapon testing purpose, and of course to create pressure to Vietnam. An ordinary Chinese life was hardly affected by those conflicts, Chinese were busy doing business at that time. However it was a totally different story for Vietnam, in order to counter China and prepare for Chinese next invasion which Den Xiaoping had warned. Vietnam had to maintain a large number of troops which was a huge burden for Vietnamese economy. Vietnam therefor did not have sufficient resources to develop infrastructures and improve economy. The subsequences of the war harmed Vietnam a lot more than the war itself. Because Soviet did nothing to stop China invading Vietnam, after the war some of its allies like Egypt and Afghanistan embrace the western side which had led to the invasion of Afghanistan by Soviet in 1980s. And Afghanistan had dragged Soviet into a war swamp. Soviet also provided a large number of financial aid to Vietnam each year to help Vietnam maintain its army. All of these issues helped the final collapse of the Soviet union in 1990s. After the war China had proven it was helpful to against the Soviet. U.S, Japan and Europe started to sell weapons to China, invest in China, transfer technology to China and trade with China. The international environment was perfect for China in the 1980s. And Den Xiaoping had established dominated authority in CCP, he was ready to implement his mega plans. I have to commit that Den Xiaoping is really a master in strategy, China had almost accomplished all major goals through the war, but at the expense of the lives of Chinese and Vietnamese people.

[@luvtiti]

韩笑鹏 i would say this is a fair analysis. Btw its 40 years since the war began. Lets hope such horrible thing wont happen again.

[@jessicamoore6801]

@@luvtiti south china sea...

[@李世民-b2n]

兄弟英文不错

[@donsuh1105]

You just copied this...

[@phanvanhoa]

Yeah fucking thank to China now Vietnam is communism too. Thank a lot dipshit ! Good brother threw money in and the retarded one threw lives in so that both can live barbarically in poverty where people treat each other like animals. Never underestimate human's stupidity. Especially when it is made in China. Lucky for Vietnam it did not go full retarded like Cambodia with Khmer Rouge(Similar land reform/ culture revolution happened but it was stopped before it went too far).

[@thanhuy68]

Well, at least he had said in the beginning that most of his studies were from Chinese side. At the end he said China won and gave few reasons to belive that are Vietnamese did not do well. This is totally bias. Remember back then. Most of Vietnamese elite armies were sent to Cambodia to fight Khemer rough. Vietnam already know this is a limited war, so, instead of sending troops to fight China in the northern border, they kept all their regular force in Cambodia. One regular force stay around Hanoi to protect capital in case China widen the war. Most of the troops fighting China during the war are militia and provincial force or local force. Vietnam later mobollized the regular force toward the end of the war, pulling troops out of Cambodia after the southern end under control to counter Chinese force but at thae time Deng anounced the withdrawal of Chinese force therefore, Vietnam scraped off the counter attack plan. Vietnam at the time want to send the regular force to counter attack and cut off Chinese army already in bad shape toward the end of the war but at the same time Vietnam had to think about the economic cost of long war on both fronts. Hence, Vietnam let Chinese withdrew their forces back to China. Yes, Deng achieved his objective but saying teaching Vietnam is actually Vietnam tough him a lesson how to prepare for a war even this guy admitted that. And also, the cost of Chinese lives. Normally, the studen had to pay the cost to learn from a teacher but in this case looks like China paid big price to learn their lesson from a country they want to teach.

[@nhanliu9695]

m.kzbin.info/www/bejne/h6CVaWaDmsmAoNE ,. The above Link has stated that Vietnamese (Kinh) always invasion territory of the others people's territoiry with the cunning term of Nam Tien and so on to invasion territory of the others people's territoiry.

[@nhanliu9695]

m.kzbin.info/www/bejne/o4aZh3Zvbsx4ncU ,. The above Link has stated that Vietnamese (Kinh) invasion of Cambodia and has resulted in the United States of America and the United Nations embargo sanctions until the year of 1995. And Vietnamese (Kinh) has to withdrew Vietnamese 's troop - Bộ Đội Cụ Hồ out of Cambodia.

[@newlife-su7sd]

well. you should watch it again. without your nationalist views. i already guessed you are from vietnam.

[@philng2197]

The guy was totally biased, he has nothing to back up for his nonsense talk. C'mon, how many words and grammas that his slides were mispelled "were send to war" "People's and local support"

[@michaelteng6076]

You said the Vietnamese sent all the regular forces to fight the Cambodian and only kept one regular force and some militia forces in the capital to fend off the Chinese force just in case they attack. I think this is the stupidest excuse a person can come up with, and if it is really the decision of a general, then he deserves to lose and should be shot.

[@j.dunlop8295]

He's playing to Chinese CCP government. Vietnam was fighting with their #2 team, best fighters were in Cambodia. Thousands of women, farmers whipped the Chinese. Proxy war, Russian and Chinese fought, a boarder skirmish 1969 Zhenboa, over a river island!) following Vietnam's reunification in 1975. The root cause was the Vietnamese (supported by Russians) ousting the Khmer Rouge,(Khmer attacked, Vietnam) which had become genocidal, from Cambodia, a party that China had propped up. Russians and Chinese fought a small boarder war. ) China in 1969, following the Sino-Soviet split. The most serious border clash, which brought the world's two largest communist states to the brink of war, occurred in March 1969 near Zhenbao (Damansky) Island on the Ussuri (Wusuli) River, near Manchuria. Favorable perceptions of Russia in Vietnam have increased dramatically, with 93% of Vietnamese people viewing Russia's influence positively and only 8% of Vietnamese viewing Vladimir Putin's influence negatively. They don't like or trust China CCP!

[@vu34568]

HAVE SOME SIMPLE NOTES: 1. Cambodians asked the Vietnamese to help them eliminate Polpot troops. Pol-pot troops did horrible things. So Vietnamese are good guys. 2. America had a war with Vietnam so they supported Polpot troops at that time. But why did China help the pol-pot by attacking Vietnam though they used to help each other as communists? -->The answer is: China turned to America due to their deal 'USA helps China develop its economy' and now we have the 2nd economy in the world

[@mensch1066]

Got a real kick out of Professor Zhang's summary of the Carter-Deng meeting at about 19 minutes in. Deng has a whole plan to get American help and has wanted this secret meeting for a while, and Cater is trying to play Mr. Rogers! LOL - perfect summary of Carter's foreign policy.

[@Stevenhvu]

It’s just making me mad how Chinese with drawl and using a scorched earth tactic. And why did Chinese try to protected Khmer Rouge.??

[@neogenzim1995]

@simplicity937 you're talking gibberish. go see a doctor, you're having a stroke.

[@fromdarktolight6353]

Because CHINA IS ASSHOLE!

[@lvjinbin28]

because China need to stop Vietcong to unify French Indochina federation, other Western countries and ASEAN also support anti-Vietnamese force in Cambodia.

[@cieldemer2540]

@@lvjinbin28 yes and it’s truly bullshit.

[@nhanliu9695]

m.kzbin.info/www/bejne/h6CVaWaDmsmAoNE ,. The above Link has stated that Vietnamese (Kinh) always invasion territory of the others people's territoiry with the cunning term of Nam Tien and so on to invasion territory of the others people's territoiry. Nowadays Vietnamese (Kinh) is one of fifty fourth ethics in Vietnam. And each ethic has its distinction traditional culture such as language and writing Scripts. Everyone respects to each ethic's culture in all over the World.

[@nghivu7442]

these countries always claim they won war against vietnam but yet they are always the one pulling out running

[@gnutzguy]

There is a difference between pulling out and pulling back.

[@jeffkuroda7461]

Gnutzguy you can call it whatever you want, but the facts are that China failed to force Vietnam to pull out if Cambodia and China failed to capture Hanoi just as Deng xiaoping declared before the war started.

[@fatloser6913]

@@jeffkuroda7461 at least china got land out of this war, vietnam got nothing

[@rtth4378]

@@jeffkuroda7461 , Vietnam did pulled out of Cambodia because to stay is costing too much. So China and the US did eventually forced Vietnam out. Vietnam needed to pulled out to have normal relationship with the west and rebuild its economy.

[@lacviet100]

@@gnutzguy exactly, in this case China pulled back, not pulled out.

[@thebostonbrawler1]

WOW, I was a teenager in the 70's and never heard of this conflict, but it makes sense considering....

[@johnd8281]

Vietnam can roast chinese solder as roast the duck if they cross vietnam border

[@NamLe-qx2yp]

Mục đích chính trị của Đặng Tiểu Bình là 1: giảm bùng nổ dân số ở Trung Quốc, 2: lợi dụng căng thẳng Mỹ và Châu âu với Liên Xô để được hưởng lợi. 3 : Tăng cường quyền lực chính trị ở Trung Quốc người VN đã quá hiểu người Trung Quốc

[@numkie]

So many wars are overlooked.

[@davidboskett5581]

A very poor presentation and I am left wondering whether this man really understood the real reason why China invaded Vietnam He has provided a very complicated analysis of the situation which is not backed up with real evidence

[@hvtc3]

Very simple and straight forward, if you hit us VN then we fight back. If you invader can claim victory and so do we, who care? Too much analyzing is great but hard to fact check arguments. The Dr mentioned Vietnamese forces at borders not dressed in uniform and they shoot PLA from behind, why? Because our regular solders was not there, those are old people and women in villages or some local solder fighting back.

[@kingwing3203]

都怪美国和苏联的挑唆，本来我们可以做友好邻居，中国一直都在帮助越南，可是越南居然入侵中国，让中国人太难接受了，才有这场不该发生的战争。希望以后中越友好

[@stevenmillikin558]

Saying that not having formal ranks wasn't a problem ... I don't buy that. They (the Chinese) had their own system for deciding who should be in charge: who is a member of the Communist party or who has been in service the longest will be in charge? Nonsense. Either could be and probably was incompetent. Contrary to what he said the method of chosing leadership by training, experience, and merit are crucial. The absence of a sensible system of rank was a huge problem for the Chinese.

The world will not be peaceful with such a haughty point of view. The fact is that Vietnam never invaded China, France & USA. The fact is that China, France, USA brought troops into Vietnam to kill Vietnamese people. And the face is that, all of you was defeated as an enemy; but all of you will be welcomed as a friend. Let's respect each other and together build a peaceful world!

[@Sam26412]

China helped freed Vietnam from the French when Vietnamese had little weapons nor military expertise. Later China and USSR helped Vietnam to become an independent state. Why did China invade Vietnam? It is a good question for you. China did not take anything from Vietnam, it was a punitive invasion aiming to teach the Vietnamese a lesson.

@@Sam26412 + For me, for the most of time, China is a good friend & neighbor. China & Vietnam maybe had conflicts. But the peaceful time is much more than war time. We always remember China's help. I also not forget but forgive the bad things China did to Vietnamese people during Chinese invasions into Vietnam. + In case, the French, USA succeeded in invading Vietnam, they certainly would be a threat to China. In this scenario, China helped Vietnam was a good way to help Chinese itself. + Only senior can teach junior. Vietnam is China's friend; why China wanted to teach Vietnam? + Moreover, teach others by killing is very unexplainable. >> War is far from good things to do. Everything is over. We should respect each other, discuss with each other to find a way to make our world peaceful home for everybody, my friend.

[@toothpick5932]

@@Sam26412 you should read more history of your dynasties and what they took from VN before saying that' the Chinese did not take anything from VN'

[@anthonytran7566]

China taught Vietnam a lesson not to invade Vietnam !!!

[@nvt6781]

Let me get this straight...The Chinese sacrificed thousand and thousand of soldiers just to teach the Vietnamese a lesson? Wow!

[@jparsit]

Emotional comment, not logic, China wants to protect SE Asia under VN aggression after the US left make the VN think that they can continue to control the whole SE Asia. Without Dang, the VN want to take it all. Politic is evil, no real friends, they just using each others w/o end. Thanks to Deng.

[@kidd32888]

Do u think CCP give any flying fuck about human lives?

[@nvt6781]

@@kidd32888 No, unless….they were their lives.

[@toothpick5932]

@@jparsit yeap, China is so great. they supported the evil pol pot which killed 2 million Cambodians. Vietnamese liberated Cambodia. if the pol pot did not listen to the Chinese to attack the VN border then the Vn army would not invade their country. it was never the intention to invade Cambodia or any other country. the VN army has to fight on two fronts to the west is the pol pot and the north is the Chinese. they did an excellent job! of foiling the Chinese evil intention.

[@HieuMau]

​@@jparsit protect SEA from VN aggression? where you get that from? the whole conflict started from Cambodia Khmer Rouge which was supported by both China and US. China backstab USSR so they can start sucking US's milk Vietnam invaded Cambodia is for justice not because their regime evilness or liberate the victim of their genocide but for the thousand of vietnamese who is massacred by Khmer Rouge right in the Vietnamese's land for whatever reason, many theory said that its a first operation of their campaign to regain their "ancient territory" Vietnam got a good excuse for their invasion unlike China is seeking for expanding their influences Vietnam is still in the middle of their recovery from the Vietnam War so they cant seek for expansion at the time despite being a vietnamese myself i did put my neutral perspective on this war but in the end Vietnam is more of a good guy in this war since everything we do is justified unlike China and US who are the aggressor. even tho right now US are still the warmonger and China whole point of teaching Vietnam a lesson are just the cover to get aided by the US if China really doing the hero thingy here to SE Asia then you should start figuring why majority of SEA countries hated China nowadays

[@philng2197]

His argument that Chinese soldiers were bad as they were not regular and were trained only a month were very narrow minded. He should have studied Vietnamese aide before making argument too. Did he know that majority of the Vietnamese army fighting in that war were not the well trained army, they were mostly 18-20yrs old who had only very few months of training but had to fight for the country. His shit argument didn't care or intentionally ignore the fact it was the Chinese gov who supported the Khmer Rouge to invade and fight with the Vietnamese on the south front at the same time in order to reduce the majority of army power in the North His casualty number was also one sided and much less the numbers published by The western and Vietnamese. Again, he kept saying the Vietnamese army was disorganized and they were killed more than Chinese soldiers. That's bogus and again one side story with no backup documents. For entire presentation, he was trying to make excuse that China invaded Vietnam because of Deng as a dictator and it was who decided to go to war and Deng wanted to use the war to prove that his army was badly outdated and needed reform, etc. He never apologized or sympathized with the Vietnamese innocent people who were killed and the enormous damage the Chinese caused to the six provinces of Vietnam and its people. Im very disappointed to have to listen to his nonsense talk

[@toothpick5932]

as soon as I know he is Chinese I just turn off his voice I knew what he would say. so predictable. Chinese is always Chinese. I don't have time to listen to stupid nonsense

[@hailiemai7213]

I’m

[@risbolensky3921]

One thing. Americans supported Khmer Rouge in the 80's

[@kiemtienso6283]

vietnam là đất nước của chúng tôi .ok ngàn năm sau vẫn thế .

[@nhanliu9695]

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tri%E1%BB%87u_dynasty ,. In ancicent day, Vietnamese (Kinh) is 1 of 100 ethics of Bai Yue - 百越 -百粤 (100 ethics) Ancestors Immigrant of Chinese ancestors (Bai Yue - 百越 - Bách Việt) from Maritime areas of China to settle in Delta of Hong River and gradually organization of Giao Chỉ, Đại Có Việt, An Nam - Đại Việt, ect, such as Ngô Quyền was born in 897 in Đường Lâm , modern of Ba Vì district, Hanoi during the Tang Dynasty, He was son of Ngô Mẫn an influential Tang government Official in AnNam. Vietnamese (Kinh) is different from Malay Origin and Malay Champa. m.kzbin.info/www/bejne/b3irYpKeZaaNepY ,. And Vietnam's Northern geography is jungles and high mountains is difficulty for move to Delta of Hong River. Therefore Vietnamese (Kinh) is Ancestors Immigrant of Chinese ancestors - Bai Yue ethics - 百越 - Bách Việt from the Maritime areas of China to settle in Delta of Hong River and gradually organization of Giao Chỉ, Đại Việt Có - An Nam, ect. The Link about Đại Việt - Lý Dynasty. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/L%C3%BD_dynasty ,

[@syedadeelhussain2691]

I think the Vietnamese forces used leftover 70 + American F-5 Fighter jets to beat back Chinese aggression?

[@coolconfuzer]

noo...they didnt no how to use them.

[@vudo2126]

Actually, Vietnamese has nothing except very few artillery and machine gun that they using when Vietnam War still exist, and they don't believe that Chinese can using million troop with heavy weapon but they act like they don't have anything in their hand, that's insane to figure out how Chinese propaganda said they can capture Hanoi in nearly 2 weeks :)))

[@rhodie.]

@@coolconfuzer I've seen some footage of F-5s supposedly being used in combat during this war.

[@BinhLe-bz2eu]

At the very beginning, the communist Khmer of Cambodia, the Pathet Lao of Lao, and the Communist North Vietnam all agreed that the French and the United States need to be out Indochina and they all support one another. But Pol Pot mistrust the Communist Vietnamese and began to betrayed them. The alliance was broken between Communist Khmer and Communist North Vietnam. Communist China sent their military advisor to Cambodia in 1977 helping Pol Pot and the Communist Khmer Rouge border attack against the Vietnamese

[@robzonefire]

His book is really well made but such a shame that he is now in prison for 5 years because of lying to a Federal Agent.

[@nguyenvuol]

This note should be on the top comments section, it will literrally change audiences' view on this talk. For more info, it is abt making false statements about relationship with government official in China.

[@Badpak.]

I found this really interesting. Nice to see something of a subject that i'm unfamiliar with. I do really like how everytime he talks about misery he has to laugh. "the soldiers fell from a tank and died, haha!"

[@tyvn7042]

A chinese's perspective, what do we expect???

[@shiftninja1053]

The modern history of whole Asia was in a whirl of blood and shame. Since we are neighbours, let's forget the past and move on. When it comes to wars, small potatoes suffer most.

[@neogenzim1995]

lmao, tell Tibet that :)

[@catalincristescu2299]

When he kissed GB' ass, he lost my interrest. Deng was a very wise man, he risked about 50000 chinese men to prove himself worfy for West. But what means 50000 men for China??

[@小熊维尼-n6g]

To the rulers of the empire, these are not lives, just numbers

[@Khiet2n]

Be careful, this guy can be a CCP spy.

[@johnsonjustice7143]

and what's the costs pay now

[@chaplainustra]

The Chairman! My Air War College Professor!

[@nguyenthanhbinh434]

1- The speaker tried to avoid the cause of supporting the Khmer Rouge when China started the war. At that time, three-quarters of Vietnam's elite troops were in Cambodia. 2- When it comes to the loss of life in war, the speaker need to quote the source, that is the minimum requirement of a scholar's presentation. Excluding the number of wounded, where does the data of 12,000 Chinese soldiers killed come from? Vietnam estimates that about 48,000 Chinese soldiers died and the world estimates about 26,000 soldiers died. The death claims of the parties are very different. Therefore, when citing data, it is necessary to specify where the source is. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-Vietnamese_War

[@evergreennj8950]

Although I agree with the idea that it's important to learn history so as not to repeat the mistakes, I think it's even more important to remember the horrors of War and we all should do as much as we can to avoid it. We have to learn that despite our different nationalities, we are all in the end fellow human beings with common ancestry. Here's an American soldier retelling his Vietnam experience. kzbin.info/www/bejne/qprbgKyfh511Y5o We have to stop the hate and learn to live with each other.

[@evergreennj8950]

I don't know how many millions of lives were lost in Asia as a result of the Cold War (differing political ideologies of Capitalism vs Communism). When Sunisa Lee won her gold metal at the Olympics, the mainstream media kept referring to her as Hmong American. So I Googled Hmong. Among the top returns was this link: kzbin.info/www/bejne/fJ2oXniwZbqafpY I just couldn't ignore the political narrative or posturing to sway the viewer to take sides. If we step back, we should question why was (is) the US halfway around the world to arm people so they can kill each other. The story of the Hmong woman who lost her husband and children on her way to get medical care just broke my heart. In the US where I live, the elites who control the media are gearing the public up for another war. This time, with China.

[@anh-huyton-that7534]

"Nuc cuoi chau chau da xe, tuong rang chau nga ai de xe nghieng." Nam quoc so ha Nam de cu Tiet nhien phan dinh tai thien tu Nhu ha nghich lo lai xam pham Nhu dang hanh khan thu bai hu 南國山河南帝居， 截然分定在天書。 如何逆虜來侵犯， 汝等行看取敗虚。

[@TungThanh-pt1oq]

good đó man

[@nhanliu9695]

m.kzbin.info/www/bejne/o4aZh3Zvbsx4ncU ,. The above Link has stated that Vietnamese Kinh always invasion territory of the others people's territoiry with the cunning term of Nam Tien and so on to invasion territory of the others people's territoiry. Nowadays Vietnamese (Kinh) is one of fifty fourth ethics in Vietnam and each ethic has its distinction traditional culture, such as language and writing Scripts, ect. Everyone respects to each ethic' S culture in all over the World.

[@shadowblitzo123]

"Xiaoming Zhang" yes, let's believe everything that this guy says (lies) lol

[@anh-huyton-that7534]

He said he used Vietnamese 'records'. Reliable 'records'?

[@amoxintubeu]

Attacking one country is to help another country.

[@prudhvi2354]

Sir zhang zong please make a video about indochina 1967 Sikkim war at Natu la chola when chinees suffered 400 casualty in 3 days

[@hungvu52]

It is true, chinese's army won that war against Some Việt Nam's women, children and some old mans who hardly to carried a rifle. And because, in that time Viet Nam sent almost army to Cambodia to kickeds ass pol pot and PLA in there as soon as possible (in reality, it taken about a week). Pol Pot was chinese orginnal but he grew up in Cambodia, he was orded by Mao to Kill people in Cambodia so Mao could send Chinese to there and made Cambodia became the Chinese's land. Unfortunately, VPA did not let Mao do that. When VPA turned back to the north, PLA had not been VN land, they killed many normal Vietnamese and left behind many chinese soilder dead body. How lucky PLA were. In history, Chinese won many war, example: they won mongolia (grand son of Genghis Khan); they won a big nation of Aisin Gioro; they won Japanese army in Nanking in 1937.... They win every nation in their image. Trully, VietNamese always thanks regular Chinese people who supported Viet Nam in the war, but never thanks who always want to fight with every small country. And I am so sory about my quiet good english :)))

[@brucechan4189]

Hưng Vũ Vietnam is so small that it is funny to believe they can defeat China and America ,lol. If China and America really want to occupy Vietnam, Vietnam has disappeared from this world. That's the truth! If Vietnam is really that tough, why they can't invade the capitals of China and America? How many soldiers and money does Vietnam has? Vietnam is nothing compared with China and America!

[@hungvu52]

For long time i have not signed in youtube, to day i am very surprise at your comment, LOL. My Tran dynasty are belong to hundred Viet - nothing invovle chinese. Remember, My ancestor - hundred Viet lived in Yangtze area many time ago, Tran dynasty had lived in there and had moved to Viet Nam area 600 year before became a dynasty. i think you should learn more to realize that true. And i am very proud to let you know My pepple - Vietnamese fought with Mongols in past 3 time, and gained victory 3 time and never conquered by mongols like chinese. Yes, Japanese conquered my country like conquered many country (invovle china), but Vietnamese and many people in the world do not hate Japanese, but you must ackknowledge that many people hates chinese a lot. Many people hate china, chinese but i dont, i love chinese`s culture, chinese` kungfu. I think chinese is strong peple because they practice kungfu, and who practice kungfu also have a big mouth, and can yell very loud like a lion, and by the way i am a fan of Xu Xiaodong - a new star of chinese kungfu. And a last thing i wonder why you are chinese (many pepple will proud if they have chinese name) but you chose a western name?

[@hungvu52]

Bruce chan, Viet Nam is so small, and Vietnamese know it. We fight when my country have to fight. Vietnamese do not need to be strong and fight with any country, we only need to live in peace. ok?

[@yuanlaixianzai3243]

Teach vt a lesson to warn Soviet.so Chn was afraid of dropping off nuclear bombs to eliminate Vt from earth.

[@toothpick5932]

@@brucechan4189 what a stupid logic-brain you got

[@TheLoyalOfficer]

Why are there so many thumbs-down for this video?

[@joecoupon8299]

Lost in translation. If we understood the doctor's native language, and if we spoke his native language, and if he spoke his native language while we listened to him give his lecture in his native language: 1. We'd understand his insider jokes (there were several given). 2. There'd never have been a war (because no one would fight over the bullshit that tyrannists advertise). 3. He'd never have a lecture to talk about a war that different cultures wouldn't have fought because peasants don't kill each other unless the aristocracy above them goad simple people into useless wars. Conclusion: people thumbed down this well-intended lecture because it's a very painful history about a very dirty war within very recent memorable history.

[@generalnguyenngocloan1700]

Does anyone REALLY know the thinking of why China invaded? Some believe it was some sort of punishment against Vietnam for some conjured up, confused, and stupid reason. It was a ridiculous campaign with no basis. The prof. said it was a time for economic reform. Really? You mean the similar economic reforms Liu Shaoqi wanted 10 years earlier, but was imprisoned for to die a slow death by his life long comrade Chairman Mao.

[@bobbowie5334]

It sounded like the Chinese learned nothing from the U.S. defeat in 'Nam- and decided to refight the French war.

[@kayakmanonthego]

The guy really should have practiced a little bit before the show. He seemed ill prepared and lacking in presentation skills.

[@joecoupon8299]

Someone worked hard on the CC Closed Captions. It's a lot easier to understand him if you turn them on.

[@mng1110]

That's why Chinese CP has sent many young PLA officer zo West Point and USNA in the last 4 decades, so they know who to fight and win the US arms force

[@ericoberlies7537]

I don’t believe there have been any PRC cadets admitted under the International Cadet Program. The class of 2026 includes cadets from Botswana, Indonesia, Jordan, Kazakhstan, Malaysia, North Macedonia, The Philippines, Poland, Romania, Slovenia, South Korea, Sri Lanka, Taiwan, Thailand, and Tunisia.

[@fuzzydunlop7928]

Pretty sure Vietnam won. They were hardly punished by the so-called "punitive expedition."

[@michaelteng6076]

What US couldn't do in 10 years China did it in one month 😂😂

[@shadowblitzo123]

@@michaelteng6076 by china pulling back? Why china ran away when the hardended veterans came to hanoi?

[@toothpick5932]

@@michaelteng6076 and how many Chinese died? in the first 2 days of fighting?

[@michaelteng6076]

@@shadowblitzo123 Bird brain, use your common sense, best soldiers are always stationed in the capital of the country and around. Stop using excuses. If the Vietnamese had guts, they would have gone after the Chinese while they were retreating.

[@michaelteng6076]

@@toothpick5932 Many died was because they were taken by surprise by the male and female Vietnamese soldiers dressed up in civilian clothing and when the order from the top came to kill all able-bodied men and women on sight, the tide changed.

[@ThePond1955]

Fascinating topic. I look forward to reading your book Dr. Zhang.

[@dvtran3567]

This guy is quite bias toward China, but hey he's just being patriotic, it's obvious Vietnam got what they want...Taking down polpot and pushed back invading Chinese at the same time.

[@nhanliu9695]

m.kzbin.info/www/bejne/mKmlZKOOndqfsNk ,. Vietnamese (Kinh) always invasion of the others with the term " Nam Tiến " for the cunning of invasion territory of the others.

[@cieldemer2540]

@@nhanliu9695 what a joke lmao

[@nhanliu9695]

@@cieldemer2540 . en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tri%E1%BB%87u_dynasty ,. In ancicent day, Vietnamese (Kinh) is 1 of 100 ethics of Bai Yue - 百越 -百粤 (100 ethics) Ancestors Immigrant of Chinese ancestors (Bai Yue - 百越 - Bách Việt) from Maritime areas of China to settle in Delta of Hong River and gradually organization of Giao Chỉ, Đại Có Việt, An Nam - Đại Việt, ect, such as Ngô Quyền was born in 897 in Đường Lâm , modern of Ba Vì district, Hanoi during the Tang Dynasty, He was son of Ngô Mẫn an influential Tang government Official in AnNam. Vietnamese (Kinh) is different from Malay Origin and Malay Champa. m.kzbin.info/www/bejne/b3irYpKeZaaNepY ,. And Vietnam's Northern geography is jungles and high mountains is difficulty for move to Delta of Hong River. Therefore Vietnamese (Kinh) is Ancestors Immigrant of Chinese ancestors - Bai Yue ethics - 百越 - Bách Việt from the Maritime areas of China to settle in Delta of Hong River and gradually organization of Giao Chỉ, Đại Việt Có - An Nam, ect. The Link about Đại Việt - Lý Dynasty. en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/L%C3%BD_dynasty , Nowadays is seems all almost Vietnamese is the descendants of the Champa people, Khmer people, Hoa (Chinese), Laos' people, ect.. And Vietnamese (Kinh) people is one of fifty fourth ethics in Vietnam and each ethic has its instinct culture and everyone respects the culture of all the ethics in all over the World.

[@freeenergyeducationinterna1086]

54:00 Heaven help us lets hope it is also the last war they ever fight.

[@jamessmith-xq9zi]

The united states need to stop fighting wars they lost 3 in a row Korea, Vietnam and Afghanistan.

[@topsuperseven7910]

None of those were losses but all 3 demonstrate massive US military power to be anywhere on the planet. None of those are losses though. China's Communists only fought one war: a sneak attack on Vietnam to 'punish them' (yuck) and Vietnamese women beat the shlt out of them until they begged to be allowed to flee Vietnam: kzbin.info/www/bejne/mGHaY4Kcn82cZ5o

[@risbolensky3921]

@@topsuperseven7910 man, Americans got their asses served in Vietnam and Afghanistan. Only thing they proved is they were able of committing civilian massacres. US is pretty good at it

[@topsuperseven7910]

@@risbolensky3921 Just repeating a lie doesn't make it true. Americans annihilated in Vietnam when they played defensive-patrol only. They actually had only 1 significant offensive and it wrecked them badly. Afghanistan took about 2 days and utterly annihilated any Afghan forces but of course they spent a decade killing and burying Jihadis. Nobody knows for sure, some say 100,000 Islamic Jihadis were wiped out. The USA casualties were approx the same as a domestic base peacetime deathrate. They turned Afghanistan into the world's largest Mujahadeen Graveyard. ISIS is the world leader of civilian massacres. You are really good at stealing things from neighbors but get your ass handed to you when they catch you heh

[@risbolensky3921]

@@topsuperseven7910 Lie? Are you slow or something?

[@rhodie.]

@@risbolensky3921 I'd say the Chinese are better at committing massacres than us, during this conflict over 100,000 Vietnamese civilians were killed in only a month of conflict.

[@igloo54]

weird.

[@qv8281]

A good analysis but I think you overstate the hatred between Han and Kinh.

[@joecoupon8299]

Disagree with certain aspects, but this is incredibly insightful on Deng Xiaoping's reasons. Someone worked hard on the CC Closed Captions. It's a lot easier to understand him if you turn them on. Please remember that speaking Either Chinese or English means that it's very very difficult to learn the other language. You literally have to use a different part of the brain when speaking a tonal language. So, he's way out of his league when speaking English. Yet, he's giving us the CCP version for the war which is probably 90% accurate (I'm sure that he doesn't have ALL of the CCP state secrets). Something to note about "Communism." 1. They're just as racist as any other centralized power, but they'll use "woke" politics to shame their political competitors. As stated in the video, Deng hated the Vietnamese. Who knows why? Perhaps he has a personal history for his hatred? Or, was he taught to hate them? 2. There is no "global" Socialist-Communist Utopia per the fantasy of spoiled Western college children and high schoolers who don't want to grow up and be self-sufficient adults. But, the fantasy of a global Communist Utopia is perpetuated by media willing to take Communist money and pump this message. The political message is very attractive to the ignorant the way a child could be bribed with candy. One Communist nation is far more suspicious of another Communist nation because they know each other only too well. Mao Zedong knew well enough that when he set up Kim Il Sung in North Korea that eventually Kim would go the "Juche" self-reliant (even xenophobic) route in due time. 3. Communist nations are imperial expansionists not unlike other imperial nations. The Soviets expected a sort of kowtowing obedience from Mao Zedong. Mao/Deng expected a sort of reciprocal gratitude/obedience from the newly independent Vietnam. 4. Back to racism, Pol Pot (loyal ally to Mao/Deng) was attacking ethnic Viets in Cambodia as well as making border incursions into Vietnam harassing and probing them. The Vietnamese removed the Khmer Rouge as a "clear and present danger" threat to their national security. 5. Mao Zedong inherited huge armies from failed warlords and even Chaing Kai-shek. Mao couldn't/wouldn't trust all of them unless they were dead. He conveniently had them slaughtered by UN Coalition Forces in Korea. Mao learned this either from his own Feudal Chinese history, or even from Stalin who employed the same type of tactics. Stalin "inherited" Baltic soldiers in whom he had little trust. Stalin even purged his own flag ranks before the Nazi invasion. Stalin (also being an ethnic Georgian) had absolutely no regard for sacrificing Lithuanians, Latvian, and Estonians to defend and die in place as the Axis forces mowed over them in Operation Barbarossa. Stalin even had sacrificial penal battalions (under equipped, and their plans purposefully leaked to the Nazis) attack to fail Axis positions. The purpose for this was to have successful generals, like Zhukov, get blamed for their sabotaged battlefield disaster. The infamous failure prevents the general from becoming political. Thus, it's reasonable to guess that the newly installed Deng Xiaoping (having been somewhat groomed and abused with imprisonment by Mao) knew that he had to get an iron grip on the CCP and rest of China. There was a serious chance that China would fall apart and into another warlord period with an aggressive Brezhnev, a very disciplined NVA to the south, and another very capable Khmer Rouge that would also take advantage of any weakness. (Also, by Stalin allowing the massacres of his own soldiers by the Axis powers, he could turned to FDR and demand more war supplies and plead for a second front be opened or the Soviet will have to sue for peace. When Moa had his troops slaughtered by the UN Forces in Korea, he'd scream to Moscow that China needed atomic weapons.) 6. (Speculation?) Deng Xiaoping embarrassed the weak the PLA showing the generals how woefully inadequate they are at facing even a rear guard female militia which slaughtered the Chinese in huge numbers. This failure secured his politcal power over the army punishing any generals who might have had any political ambitions. The propaganda machine spun into a massive "saving face" by ravaging the occupied Vietnamese territory under a scorched earth as they left. This offered the mangled PLA soldiers the appearance of revenge, it gave the Chinese people the optics that the PLA was overwhelmingly successful, and it continues to dupe anyone who is controlled by the CCP state media. (Chinese don't know about what happened in Tiananmen Square--and those that do know about it won't talk). The PLA advanced as far as to a few ancient capitals, but no where close to Hanoi. Yet, the word is perpetuated that they had reached Hanoi. Little is done to correct inaccuracies because such facts are dangerous to a regime that must maintain absolute control over its population. Deng Xiaoping theorized like a feudal power that he could curry favor with a US president if the CCP would attack America's former enemy. This seems like a HUGE miscalculation. It revealed a lot of faults concerning the misunderstanding that Westerners had of Communist hegemony. In a pragmatic way, it gives an outside power a means to continue spiking a wedge between the two. For example, President Nixon took a huge advantage to visit Mao Zedong when China attacked the Russians over Damansky Island (Zhenbao Island). By starting a thaw with the CCP, it signaled to Moscow that Vietnam had to come to the peace talks to make an "Honorable Peace." Otherwise, the US would start pushing more global resources to advantage the Chinese over the Russians wherever possible. 7. (Prediction?) The CCP will continue to plunge their citizens into intellectual darkness to maintain their control over their host. When overseas Chinese start learning more details about the CCP, their learned knowledge will endanger the establishment. As it is now, forced abortion has wrecked their economy. Youth don't want to marry. They use to have a single child policy, but now they're being told to have more kids...a lot more kids. The youth are already overworked, underpaid, turn their noses up at factory/blue-collar jobs, and will only do enough to just get by ("laying down" rebellion). The CCP will shut its borders down as much as possible perpetuating another "virus" fear to continue their insane tyranny. It'll be somewhat like North Korea, but on a Titanic scale. But, because of its scale, it'll fail because there's no way they can contain the truth of such crimes. 8. This whole conflict could be fugazi. How long did it take to get a definitive answer about the Katyn Forrest Massacre? Communists are world class liars. I've scoured lots of internet websites to find stuff about this conflict. There's not a lot of media for English readers, so I'll have to keep searching. It's like trying to find June 1989 Tiananmen Square information by a CCP controlled internet. I'm not looking for a Tukhchar massacre. But, it's difficult to find footage or photography on the 1979 and 1984 Sino-Viet border conflict. I can find plenty about the Damansky/Zhenbao clash in 1969. But, 10 years later to lose about 50,000 immediately after the Viet-American conflict when there should have a lot more available photography and footage? And, all the gear that America abandoned? It just seems like a lot of this has been purposely buried. I'll have to hope that I can trust the computer generated translations of "Chiến tranh biên giới Việt Nam-Trung Quốc." kzbin.info/www/bejne/ooirqa1vr9dqna8 9. The best solution possible for Communist nations is to first explore as a matter of curiosity and then dive head first into Christianity. There is absolutely no way that Communist China will be able to avoid a multi-fractured nation full of gangster generals with military hardware and reasons to kill those who were in control of their misery for so many decades. They'll suffer revenge wars no differently than the Post-Soviet Balkans and present day Ukraine. Children of the CCP will reject their parents (bad news for a culture that's the very embodiment of filial piety) no differently than how German children suffered great guilt of their parents' Nazi war crimes, or how the Japanese youth despised their own Imperialism. Even if the transitioning power is mocked and accused of "hypocrisy," Judeo Christianity is the only method that'll spare their lives via the doctrine of absolute forgiveness. This is the reason why areas like the Ukraine was able to have some sort of assemblance of recovery in spite of their "Holocaust by Bullets," or Russians and Baltics can recover in spite of the Chekist (most of which were Latvian, Asian, and/or Jewish), or how Russian outlived Stalinism and his Gulag system where the inmates were the executioners, or how Israelis could built a thriving super power even though many of the founders were Holocaust survivors who at times were being betrayed by their own people.

[@acr08807]

Yes, I've said all along that the Sino Vietnamese war was all about Israel.

[@sonnynguyen5917]

War performance analysis: PLA: 1. More PLA troops invaded Vietnam. 2. PLAs fought a local militia forces, not the real NVA fighting forces in North Vietnam bc the main fighting NVA forces were still in Cambodia. 3. PLAs cowardly burned schools, hospitals and homes of bordering civilians. NVA: 1. Did China teach Vietnam any lesson? 2. Vietnam exterminated Pol Pot (Chinese ally) and never pulled out of Cambodia bc Deng requested Vietnam to do so. 3. Did Vietnam need to befriend with China now? History already answered this today…:-)) Vietnam knows very well that China cannot be trusted. Vietnam will live with its neighboring China but will not need to befriend nor kowtow to China. Conclusion: As an invading force with more troops and equipment and you did not have the upper leverage fighting mostly the defending bordering militias (Vietnam was fighting a war in Cambodia at the time) and you had to withdraw. So, who won the war? To whom was the lesson taught?..:-)) lol.

[@davidshaw9262]

Did the DPRK not send support to So.Vietnam ?, like 200 pilots in 79-80, or was that just misinformation ?

[@shadowblitzo123]

DPRK was siding with china.

[@hungphamvan4945]

shame for china.

[@thaihoangmai]

China is the one who learn a expensive lession, paper tiger of asia. Vietnam overcome war with Us, France, Pon Pol... so strong and exp

[@TonyMcSony]

Hey China stop man 😢

[@Zincgton]

This is an interesting topic however Dr Zhang tended to dawdle and the flow of reasoning is not succinct. The question to ask is what happens if China does not invade Vietnam. Vietnam had just invaded and succeeded in occupying Cambodia and the domino theory is not unreal. Border skirmishes with Thailand were happening and Vietnam was eyeing its next move into Thailand. The whole of Southeast Asia was threatened and all its combined armed forces would not be a match to Vietnam. Secondly, US military had withdrawn from Asia after losing in Vietnam and she would not be drawn in for another war. This was the known fact. Vietnam can safely invade continental Southeast Asia and conquer easily. If Vietnam conquered the whole of continental Southeast Asia with Soviet support, you are talking about the seas lanes of Malacca Straits, lifeline of East and West shipping being controlled by them. This will cut off the oceanic lifeline of China and totally isolate her from the West. In short, China's economic reforms cannot even have a chance if this were to happen. She needs to ensure South East Asia is free from Soviet and Vietnam's control for her own sake. This is the crux of China's strategic interest. The real purpose is to check Soviet and Vietnam's influence and this action carries very small risk to achieve the larger purpose of China's shift to ally with the West to grow economically and survive. China is on the verge of economic collapse and if it does not do something, the communist party itself can lose power and influence among the masses. We give credit to Deng for developing this level of strategic thought but it all began with Mao himself. Hence it is likely the mode of thought for the core of Chinese leaders in China back then and not just Deng. Mao himself first reached out to US in the seventies before Vietnam won the war and it was then China already faced the threat from Soviet Union. Then you look at the risk of China's action. Deng only needs to do an incursion and poses a threat in the border with Vietnam. Vietnam cannot cope to fight in two wars at all. She neither has the capability and resources to fight all the way into China. Hence the cost is low for China as lives are deemed cheap, sad to say and the benefit is immense to the whole country. It turned out to be a master move.

[@chrisjiang89]

All those Vietnamese think they won the war with banana and coconuts.

[@howangjonghwan3036]

really! China lose the war because Vietnam use banana and coconuts

[@taotao98103]

The truth is Vietnamese soldier whom just came out of Vietnam war with the US, were more experience with battles than Chinese soldiers whom just came out of Cultural Revolution which was a political disaster. Chinese had badly made military equipment.

[@amandale491]

Howang Jong Hwan Yeah, but it works. It add thousands grave in the Chinese military cemetery in China and Vietnam still hold Cambodia until 1985 when United States strikes a deal with Vietnam for a full military withdrawal out of Cambodia and Lao in exchange the lifting the United States embargo on Vietnam. Not even the Chinese military might couldn’t force the Vietnamese troops out of Cambodia but to lie and hide their Chinese military casualties.

[@taotao98103]

Ho Chi Minh was a mass-murderer other Vietnamese commented that Vietnam didn’t even use their main forces to fight China, the main forces are all in Cambodia. The soviet may help them with some weapons, the Vietnamese soldiers were the ones fighting. Soviets did not even assis with air power. This the war without air power on both sides.

[@taotao98103]

Ho Chi Minh was a mass-murderer 16 million into soviet? What do you mean? Air power is usually the minimum a country will assist because they don’t have to die so much. Soviet didn’t help bring troops during the Vietnam war either. It was Chinese who sent soldiers fought against America.

[@TangoLima1]

Dr Zhang's book is very good. Well researched. I recommend it.

[@Sogesu]

Its the crap instead. Do you know they all mean Vietnam is part of China. So is entire Vietnam Sea?

[@cieldemer2540]

@@Sogesu indeed total bullshit

[@observerjoe4292]

Not worth a wipe my Viet ass!

[@TangoLima1]

@@observerjoe4292 Wow. You must be one of the few born with an ass. The USA hit VN with so much agent orange that plenty are born with birth defects even to this day or some have lost their asses from hitting UXO. Lucky you.

[@cjclippa98]

At least the Chinese made their own documentary about 1979.

[@lilithshopping7904]

China pushed south of the mountainous terran, there was no natural obstacle between PLA and Hanoi -- "gate to Hanoi was open". If China's war goal was capture Hanoi, it wouldn't be harder than overcoming mountain defense line. China had the resources to bleed viets for over a decade and initiate economy take off at the same time.

[@lilithshopping7904]

The military value of 25 miles of mountainous terrain outweighs that of flat plain lying between the occupied mountain and Hanoi. Vietnam had no defense line providing terrain bonous anymore to partially offset firepower superiority of China. A war costs money, of course. However, China had enough resource to reform/develop national economy and, parallelly, sustain a war with Vietnam. After all, Vietnam's manpower and economy resources is only tantamount to a third-tier Chinese province.

[@lilithshopping7904]

WWII? Chinese civil war? Korean war? seriously? Are you talking about economic situation of China in 1979?

[@lilithshopping7904]

Stop building text wall about WW2, chinese civil war and Korean war history, which is irrelevant to the war and conflict in 1980s . It is a historical fact that China developed economy rapidly in 1980s while bleed viets at the border.

[@lilithshopping7904]

I am not saying China could flatten mountains nor there is no mountains along the border. What I said is that PLA occupied key gates of the mountain along the border, such as Lang Son. The avenue to Hanoi was openned. There was no more natural obstacle available for Viets to fortiy. Do you think I care about orange agent poisoned people calling Chinese people stupid? Vietnam doesn't have resource to build a competitive indigenous defense industry. Vietnamese were never regarded as modern warfare capable, either.

[@RKarmaKill]

Thank you dr. zhang

[@Sogesu]

Thanks him for what? for being deceived the history knowledge that China pride is their loss to Vietnam irregular militants at border war?

[@joecoupon8299]

@@Sogesu easy bro, he's probably made great personal sacrifice to reveal something that Westerners never know (and, it's not necessarily his own personal opinion).

[@binhannguyen3917]

Who won the war? Compare the current border and the border before 1945. Vietnam has lost more than 15000 km2! In the war who advanced to enemy territory is the winner eventhough they had to pay a heavy price on high casualties! Xnese government would learn this lesson and other lessons throughout history to think twice before making another war with Lord Lac Long Quan's descendants. Friday, 2023 0324 0657 EST

[@HuyNguyen-xo5gz]

1. At 48:12, Zhang writes on the screen that the PLA ended military operations on its own term and so China won. How could he get a doctorate with such an illogical mind? Think about the Americans who never lost a battle in Vietnam had to go to Peking in 1972 to negotiate an exit out of Vietnam War. Why did they do so had they won the war? 2. The world understood that after a month Chinese ran for life before getting annihilated by the counter-attacks of Vietnamese regular troops. During that one month war, Vietnam just let the Chinese regular army fight against its border paramilitary forces, while the regular just sipped coffee :). Here is a good read for Zhang: armyveda.com/2016/06/29/the-sino-vietnam-war-1979-case-studies-in-limited-wars/ 2. Did the Wang Jingwei (汪精衛) 's government in 1940 make China lose the war against Japan at the time? If not, then the Communist Vietnamese government who said sorry to China in 1990 did not change the fact that China lost the war in 1979.

[@philphil4816]

Huy Nguyễn -my friend that your comment are completly logical perfectly right.

[@tranvietx]

You are welcome.

[@tyvn7042]

Obsidian's comment is the most arrogant and stupid statement I've ever read!!!

[@hongxuanyang6242]

It's hard to deny that the PLA got its ass kicked on the battlefield but for a matter of fact its withdrawal had been planned well ahead. Read Deng's convo with Carter on Jan 29, 1979.

[@redball7362]

We lost the war in 1965 when we sent ground forces in to protect Da Nang air base. The war was unwinnable for the United States, France, Japan and China.

[@Sam26412]

I did not listen to his talk because I have read enough on the subject. Vietnam wanted to expand its territory and influence after the Americans left. Vietnam looked to China and the USSR for support. China said no, USSR said yes. So Vietnam signed a treaty with USSR for protection and then it invaded Cambodia. At the same time the vietnamese started an ethnic cleansing seizing the properties of Chinese people living in Vietnam and kicking them out even though they have lived in Vietnam for generations. This off course makes chinese people mad. Chinese had supported vietnamese in the war against Frencr and America. Now these ungrateful bastards are acting like monsters. So, the Chinese decided to teach them a lesson. This invasion was not to take anything from Vietnam but to leave a message. Vietnamese did not beat Americans, they left. China is not going anywhere. If vietnamese act like monsters again they will get another lesson. The treaty with USSR was another reason why China invaded, to show the world that Russian promises mean nothing.

[@nhanliu9695]

m.kzbin.info/www/bejne/aWeonmlsiL2pjck ,. BBC in Vietnamese - BBC Tiếng Việt, The Link about generations of Vietnamese of original Chinese has to leave Vietnam in 1978 - Amie Mui Lee ... Vietnamese - Chinese.

[@nhanliu9695]

m.kzbin.info/www/bejne/h6CVaWaDmsmAoNE ,. Nowadays modern Vietnam is included 54 ethics and Vietnamese (Kinh) is one of Fifty fourth ethics in Vietnam and each ethic has its distinction traditional culture, such as language, writing, ect. Vietnamese (Kinh) has to respect all indigenous people in Vietnam.

[@toothpick5932]

were you at the talk table?

[@pioamillos9001]

correct analogy, if vietnam really win this war, why send their general and minister for reconciliatory talks in 1989 ,winners dont seek forgiveness,they cant take it anymore,their economy is tank,border war make their life miserable

[@hsingko6490]

感谢 找了一圈 发现中文几乎没有介绍越南现代政治和越南共产党的书籍 英文有但我相信也都不能代表越南的观点 但越南文字我又看不懂

[@johnbrookhaven7134]

dam, this chinese dr is brainning wash american..

[@binhnguyen33]

Now is there anyone listening to China? Stup...

[@chinhma2630]

Vietnam win

[@thebattinson1278]

Chinese love to re-write History ! All their academic History is propaganda. LoL

[@sixdegreeable]

@55:20 no shit

[@IP6869]

政治乞丐

[@陈陳-t5c]

Many people in the comments discussed the outcome of the war. No one realizes that war is a continuation of politics. The purpose of starting the war is for political purposes. Vietnam did not start a new round of industrialization until 1986, which has proved that Vietnam cannot get what it wants on the battlefield. Turn to China to seek peace and secure border stability. The Pro-China faction came to power to accelerate economic reforms. If Lê Duẩn can get everything he wants on the battlefield, Vietnam would have captured Cambodia, Laos, Thailand and even Myanmar. No matter how many ammunition fired on the Sino-Vietnamese border, no matter how many people die in Vietnam, once Vietnam acquires Cambodia and Laos, it will open up the land to the Indian Ocean. The establishment of a unified country proves that China's political goals have failed. The reality is not. Many people deliberately ignore the fact that Vietnam has not actually obtained political goals. It lost nearly ten years in 1979-1986. Of course, it is much better than North Korea and Mongolia. Of course, one of them possesses nuclear weapons, and the other is the political tacit agreement between China and Russia.

[@toothpick5932]

my god where did you learn your history? was it from ccp?

[@陈陳-t5c]

@@toothpick5932 If you mean Vietnam didn't withdraw from Cambodia in 1988... well, you should be in a parallel world with me.

[@Sogesu]

Bullshit presentation. We are third range largest army that time easily wip off any China's invasion. War in 1979 was war between irregular Vietnamese armies local militants vs China regulars. 1/4 Vietnamese regular army was near Hanoi preparing for counterattacks. VN government that time didn't want war with China because two hundred years wars with French, US, Japan, China, Polpot has weaken the economy so they want peace. If China went full scale war with Vietnam that time, they would have been defeated and eventually we could seize Peiking within 1 month as counterattacks. They must learn same lesson with Khmer Rouge on how Viet armies can match to Phompenh within 2 weeks. Hoever, Viet wisely chose peace as they understands taht even we can occupy China but can't hold for long because of its sire size and Viet's priority that time. If US, ASEAN, ASIA and World not side with China that time, that would be different.

[@tobefair4441]

you could seize Peiking within 1 month as counterattacks? are you sure?

[@lilithshopping7904]

As far as i recall, another regime claimed to have the No.3 armed force of the world was Saddam's Iraq before 1990

[@yuanlaixianzai3243]

where is the nuke bomb?

[@toothpick5932]

@@tobefair4441 of course! in 1 month the VN will whip the Chinese ass good!