SHANGHAI BIKE SHOW DAY 1: Magene Groupset, 500g Frames, Superlight wheels....

[@Hambini]

Shimano thought their crank problems were the limit of their problems and now magene moves the bar up several notches

[@nochancecw]

I love when I'm browsing the Internet and I see your comments pop up chirping Shimano out of the blue...glad to see the pen is working. 😂

[@Pragmatist101]

And MAGENE making a RIM BRAKE version.....again offering what people want not what BIG manufacturers dictate!

[@bonbonflippers4298]

​@Pragmatist101 holy shiii they making rim brake version?

[@87togabito]

@@Pragmatist101and which “people” again may I ask? The ones that still ride their 1900s steel bike and don’t spend a single cent on new parts? Look, I share your enthusiasm for cheap electronic shifting alternatives. But let’s be realistic, because rim brakes sales don’t make up enough to actually make it viable for the post pandemic cycling audience.

[@marcopaganotto9125]

I remember the days when you purchased Shimano's products safe in the knowledge that your new item was high quality, durable and functional, a genuine investment in your ride! Sadly, that doesn't seem to be the case anymore! Just remember how lovely Shimano's 9 speed XT drivetrain shifted, not to mention how long it lasted and then compare it to the crunching, grinding and horrifyingly noisy current XT 12 speed system. It really feels like the quality has gone, it's almost like Shimano has become SRAM 15 years ago.

[@simonsaville9962]

Like the intense "gallon o' coffee" presentation style! Magene coming up with the goods, again. Take my money already.

[@ChinaCycling]

Hahhaa... I was so pumped for all the cool stuff, I didn't even notice I was at eminem-speeds.

[@ericsyd]

I found it tiring.

[@workshopninjathe1st]

I’m here to say it’s tiring too - but have done bike shows in London and you do need the coffee :)

[@TheVagom15]

Why you speak so fast? Sounds like you are aways in a hurry!

[@velanrama]

The presentation was exciting, the presenter was excited, now I am excited. Happy that Magene are really improving and expanding.

[@jimbo9030]

Finally a Chinese electronic TT group. Now that is a game changer. Well done LTwoo

[@prrace8599]

FINALLY! Some TT and Tri equipment! So happy to see these on your channel from the bike show

[@ChinaCycling]

Hope you enjoyed it! I don't know what I'm talking about... but... it all looked rapid.

[@grok76]

@@ChinaCycling I need it now! Just building my Tri bike, stealing parts from my Di2 roadie.

[@coolhand1966]

speed is a hell of a drug

[@ChinaCycling]

So. Much. Sugar.

[@janmynarik]

I would never spend $10k on an aero frame, I have more sense than that… Yeah I remember spending 10k on aero frame…

[@durianriders]

CC going eminem full sugar mode. Great reporting brother!

[@ChinaCycling]

CTFU from day one homie.

[@ChinaCycling]

What was your favourite thing today? What do you want to see more of? 🤔

[@glennicol1361]

I think my favourite thing today... Would be the Bross Zenith, silly name for a bike but the bike looks awesome! Also excited for the Magene power meter pedals. Regret going for a 5K run before attending the show as super tired now!

[@ebikescrapper3925]

Gilet for me, more clothing please. Great video.

[@thethelostjs]

e-mtb!!!!!!!

[@hddd1502]

magene!

[@chrisbustos4358]

That SEKA Spear in the Chronus colorway is fire! Hope @ChinaCyling can distribute them, thinking about those of us in North America.

[@ynslife]

Okay this was exciting to see. Magene is making gigachad moves here. Great one Joe!

[@hddd1502]

i can’t wait for panda podium to carry the magene rim brake grouppo

[@bonbonflippers4298]

Same! That's a market that if done right will make loads of money

[@ChinaCycling]

We have some exciting rim brake frames coming too....

[@fuckthediscbrake]

Wow WoW wowwwwww ​@@ChinaCycling

[@abcdefghijk5095]

Very impressed with the bikes and components on display in China. Very impressed. Going to check out a few of the manufactures for sure.

[@stuartdryer1352]

I really like my Magene power meter. This is interesting news.

[@keikeimama]

The design and performance of the seka "spear" is amazing. I can't wait to ride it.

[@pierrex3226]

2 of my 5 L-TWOO er9 rear derailleur died for no reason, hopefully they will start releasing products that aren't beta over time. Currently their electronic groups are beta releases at best.

[@ChinaCycling]

Yeah, my early experience with L-TWOO electronic is well documented on this channel... all my most recent stuff (last 6 months) is all stable though...

[@pierrex3226]

@@ChinaCycling good to know. I bought mine in the summer of 2023. I'm waiting for the replacements now, I hope they will work. I really do want them to work, I'm really loving the one on my road bike, one that hasn't died.

[@JohnDir-xw3hf]

Chinese junk. Stop wasting money on it.

[@colecoleman1499]

Exactly I would consider buying Chinese groupsets atleast after 5 years. They will be like AMD z kicking intel in the ass. Shimano in this case

[@elyipierre2284]

I haven't had any issues with my L-Twoo group set. I've put about 5,000 miles and have had it close to a year now

[@iberiksoderblom]

Rimbrake and wireless shifting! Take my money!

[@jayeoliver9259]

Hell yeah!

[@ChinaCycling]

Let's gooooo!

[@pigupigu]

Shimano does rim brake wireless shifting. Ultegra and dura ace di2

[@michaelbauer8778]

Wireless isn’t something new and special, isn’t?

[@TC-ik9kn]

SRAM red etap 11s ( rim brake version) 6years ago ? Or so ?

[@samguan5236]

Great to see more groupset options… I think electronic groupsets may be easier/cheaper to get right/make as I think mechanical shifting requires more component precision in the entire system.

[@veganpotterthevegan]

I don't think either is difficult for a modestly competent engineer since we have computer modeling to make it easier. The real issue is patents and keeping things as simple as possible while avoiding patent infringement

[@jimsonjohnson3761]

All depends. If they can provide correctional software and reliable electronics that last then maybe.

[@galenkehler]

My word, this is an absolutely packed video. Lots.of cool things on the horizon

[@ChinaCycling]

It's bananas. This is also only half the footage of day 1....

[@drewstice3897]

Thanks Joe!! I love watching your videos especially the bike shows you were why I built my bike with a frame and parts from china

[@randomname8442]

More info on the SYB Ti please!

[@dusty_hoods]

You've got a camera man! Great show 👌

[@ChinaCycling]

Yeah, first day on the job and i messed up the lens adapter so he doesnt even have auto-focus... poor guy.

[@williammorris4419]

have you found any superlight 10-48, or 10-50 12 speed cassettes for microspline hubs? ? I know of Garbaruk but I think they aren't making the 10-48 any more. I think a 10-48 would be great for gravel in Colorado.. BTW, Gravel racing in Colorado and Utah have lots of climbs and most at altitude, so bigger cassettes are the way to go.

[@LouisArquivio]

Couldn't find anything online about SYB / Laget, do they have a website?

[@neilwheel]

Good work Joe! 👏👏👏👏👏

[@drewstice3897]

As a triathlete I am super excited to see the LTWOO ERX tt groupset

[@prrace8599]

I’m right there with you! I’d love to see a TT/ Tri super bike version with the LTwoo electric gearing and aero shifters with deep section wheels and power meter to compare it to the big brands.

[@philippbeckonert1678]

: I just love your energy. This is totally your thing and it shows!

[@colduncan1063]

The Pardus TT frame certainly looks stunning! How it rides, however, would be good to know.

[@thomasrobin8431]

Seka Spears looks really interesting 🤔 (and Exceed too). I hope you'll try it someday and gives us a review of it 👍

[@ChinaCycling]

Just screen-shotting this comment and sending it to SEKA now...

[@daviddjerassi]

OMG Joe how you can keep going at that speed man you just amaze me thank you for a great video back tomorrow see you then keep safe love the video.

[@ChinaCycling]

Adrenaline, and dozens of pairs of eyes staring at you when you're on the stand.

[@daviddjerassi]

@@ChinaCycling well you are sure doing a fantastic job Sir.

[@invisiblescout6335]

Was pretty set on the bross zenith a month ago (they've confirmed they're selling overseas and will have a webpage up soon), but with the new seka and a possible discount on the van rysel now that I'll be working at decathlon I'm getting really anxious with choices. The magene groupset is a very pleasant surprise, I trust them to sort things out. The ltwoo tt setup is something I was hoping for but didn't really expect. There's an annual 12hr tt organised by my local club so being able to just pop a set of tribars with satellite shifters on my bike is a really attractive possibility. I'd heard of neutron before but never really looked into them. Glad to hear they're actually a farsports brand! 360g for a 24mm spindle at 350$ and 8-bolt mount is getting me excited in all the right places. Much more commonplace than cinch mount and crucially for me, Magene compatible, personally trust them way more than sigey and xcadey (my p505 base has been the dog's bollocks, as a certain somebody would say). Will you be selling these as well?

[@dainiusvysniauskas2049]

Farsports Hyper is still their best wheelset IMO - choice of multiple hub and spokes options, 30mm external width, 24mm internal - just great all around.

[@hucklejoko]

Magene is just killing it! But I just got my PES Base last month and I want that pedal based one grrrrr

[@tanqinxiang]

@14:20 Are they ready to be sued by Trek?

[@juaninsuasty]

You have the link of the page XDS X-Lab RT9 560g Frame??

[@TheCyclesport]

DJ JOE is on the Mic. Rock on Joe or Rap on DJ Joe. 👏👏👏👏 Outstanding coverage and details, Joe & China Cycling!!

[@ChinaCycling]

Always appreciate you Keith

[@maniastrat]

Thanks lots of cool new stuff there! I guess we rim brake riders are like dinosaurs now hahah no problem 😉

[@endianAphones]

That titanium gravel bike and the SEKA Spear both looked really nice.

[@ChinaCycling]

There are some nice frames coming out now.

[@mrteefoursix3440]

Will the frame be availible at Pandapodium?

[@global_nomad.]

thanks for the overview.....looking forward to seeing how some of these new frames/groupsets do in ride reviews.

[@soulzdragon]

Where can I get those magene wireless shifter in malaysia

[@nickbanham8750]

Brilliant report. Thanks! Looking forward for tomorrow’s video.

[@ChinaCycling]

I'm looking forward to it, my legs aren't...

[@znalniaskas]

That Pardus road bike looks good, just lacks the super deep fork that a certain German TT-focussed DTC brand that is supposedly using the same frames has...

[@densyoh]

Magene is a big player in the wireless tech? 🧐

[@openwheelracing88]

Do those new DT hubs only take DT carbon spokes? Or can they use the carbon spokes available on the market today? I see it is laced with 24 spokes vs current offering of 20 spokes.

[@zhuyufan1186]

finally，i have been waiting for this video for the entire night.

[@ed0078]

Really?

[@MarioKurill]

Love the content Joe, keep up the good work man! That dyneema gilet looks great, will definitely buy one when its on PP

[@edlorenz1552]

Says “wireless” and shows group set with wires???

[@nadorcitycommercial]

Where can I buy a SEKA bike ? Thank you for your Videos

[@darickyeong5561]

Always liked Magene stuff, even excited when they demo out QED P515

[@TheArniec91]

Those seka bottle cages look an awful lot like giant cages

[@ChinaCycling]

Someone else told me they looked like the BMC ones... now I"m curious if BMC or GIANT did it first...?

[@TheArniec91]

@@ChinaCycling no idea who did it first but they're great looking cages!

[@BS16Tech]

@@ChinaCycling bmc

[@alainmalisoux1718]

hi, I'd like to buy the CYBREI Carbon Crankset - Aluminum Chainring w/ Alloy Spider from your Panda Podium shop. Can you tell me if it is compatible with the Shimano 11V mechanical and 12V DI2 groups with the crankset housing BB86 press fit and BB386EVO pressfit 86.5x46mm BB shell? Thank you Alain, from Belgium

[@ChinaCycling]

Yes, as long as you use the correct bottom bracket, the chainline should be more or less the same (within 1mm I assume.)

[@alainmalisoux1718]

@@ChinaCycling Thank you for the answer. If I understand correctly, to install the CYBREI Carbon Crankset - Aluminum Chainring w/ Alloy Spider, I must also buy the CYBREI BB86 Bottom Bracket for SRAM DUB Road to replace my current Shimano? Thank you for your attention. Alain

[@Jlee-4674]

I believe Magene just launched p705 recently. Did you hear the reason why they are releasing new ones so fast??

[@sempi8159]

Just cutting out parts is called modern design now?

[@ed0078]

Right. Bike industry is desperate

[@veganpotterthevegan]

Engineering reliable things has always been related to simplifying them.

[@sempi8159]

@@veganpotterthevegan making these cutouts doesn't simplify anything...

[@veganpotterthevegan]

@sempi8159 it does for aerodynamics. No extra deep tubes that need more carbon and costs more money.

[@sempi8159]

@@veganpotterthevegan it doesn't change aerodynamics to any useful degree.... A fake test in a windtunnel tells you almost nothing about real world aero..... This is just to stand out and look different... There is no other reason... The elite bike industry is fucked and im glad about it

[@WHTFSayonara]

Can you visit Bafang, LightCarbon and DengFu booths please? Eager to see what they have especially for the eMTB scene!

[@yilmanbabilonia]

Can’t find syb anywhere in google

[@oplkfdhgk]

oh cool. wasn't expecting tt groundset but if it's cheap enough i might buy it.

[@ChinaCycling]

Yeah, it has me intreagued...

[@adamcox3317]

Would be great to see Seka frames on Panda Podium. I’ve been considering them for a while but would be awesome to finally have a reliable way of ordering to Europe.

[@ChinaCycling]

We're working on it... Fingers crossed...

[@GAMeRAchilles]

That SYB Lagget bike frame.... hot damn that would be a fun bike!

[@ChinaCycling]

Not "cheap", but like half / a third of the price of the small boutique western frames doing similar things.

[@davidgoon1978]

byd - build your dream syb - suck your bike？😅😅

[@aarondcmedia9585]

A suggestion for TT bikes in general: have a look at the disc brake area, that's one of the bug bears for aero. Looks like the Pardus front disc area has a cowl over the caliper, etc? It looks kinda awesome and would have been well worth a 5 second shot of that area of the bike. Front and back but esp front as the air comes in clean and then hits all kinds of turbulence. The only other suggestion is a shot from head on - pointing towards the bike as if you are air about to hit the bike. Always good to see the front profile for aero thoughts. I like the look of the Pardus, thanks for the video. ETA: I just did a search and Pardus tri bikes have been around for 6 years or more?

[@dylanl9532]

I met you at the show on this day. I'm the guy with uneven q factor problem with the cranks. Thanks for the water bottle. TBH, your video is better than the Shanghai bike show itself. I'm pretty sure that most brands on display at the show don't really exist. They are there to sell their manufacturing capability rather than their own branded bikes. You don't see these bikes on the road ever. And you cannot buy these bikes from anywhere.

[@ChinaCycling]

Yeah, I'd rather watch a video about the bike show than come to the bike show... lol.

[@c.d.willis4278]

Great job 👍; you should find out what the weight limits are for the frames and wheels. Americans are big folks.

[@hockysa]

How much is that XDS RT9 frame and how can I buy it????! Will pandapodium stock it?

[@ChinaCycling]

We're in talks to stock it... But it's not looking too likely. It's complicated.

[@hockysa]

@@ChinaCycling shame 😞 I’m keen for a Chinese alternative that can rival an Aethos frame

[@inzana2]

Seka Spear seems to be already for sale in Australia for AU$4480 - not cheap but pretty nice.

[@andersnyberg4034]

I have tried to mail pardus in more than one occasion but never got any reply. Been interested in that TT bike since I saw it and wanted to see if they still sell the light weight rim brake frame.

[@rogersliu1200]

this is the year of chinese TT bike frame tech. great to see so many affordable TT options there. Maybe you should do some TT build😃

[@ChinaCycling]

Good idea!

[@lordalfa600]

@@ChinaCycling Yes. TT! I like the Pardus setup. I am not trialing in UCI events so I don't care about the extensions and so on and so forth. Just like hill climbing, there are TT enthusiasts that just ride 10 miles like Leadfoot Larry with no rules on bike dimension restrictions.

[@rogersliu1200]

@@ChinaCycling very interested in the elves TT

[@friedryce]

The Magene groupset's look, finish, shape, and button location all look very similar to L-TWOO. I wonder if it's some kind of partnership or if it's bespoke.🤔

[@player_2925]

Yo are you able to ask far sport about their track wheels ? Been trying to look into it

[@estelja]

Curious how that Neutron cassette shifts. Why don't the aftermarket cassette manufacturers just copy the actual HG tooth profiles since the Shimano patent has long ago expired?

[@ChinaCycling]

Will be testing it out soon.

[@DannysMyNanny]

really hope these chinese groupsets start seeing mainstream success in the US! Good competition is good for all consumers

[@tomozanne]

Are Panda Podium going to be stocking the Laget Discovery One? I'd love one of those!

[@jeffreyreed6056]

Great work Joe! I so want to return to Xiamen!

[@RichardWait]

That Pardus TT Frame is nuts! Will you be stocking Pardus?

[@ChinaCycling]

Pardus don't wanna push overseas..... yet. ;)

[@DanTuber]

What a show! So many goodies. That stella frame looks like a Trek madone rip off.

[@ChinaCycling]

🙈

[@antonpeterson1245]

Does anyone know what happened to Sensah? I remember a few years ago, they were right up there with L-Twoo with the cheap groupsets and boe they seem to have disappeared out of nowhere.

[@卡臣-c2f]

They still doing their thing and even seperated to branch brand, they just don't pay too much attention to oversea market.

[@peterwu8471]

Good for you man! I know you from Aston - Awesome to see you succeeding! 60K plus subscribers - nice. (I am Peter W. BTW, formerly from Dandong, now in Dalian)

[@ChinaCycling]

I remember you dude... Crazy small world, haha. Aston was good days, especially the annual conference. ;)

[@Carftymk]

another electronic groupset, awesome. but i haven't heard of the looong rumored sensah one? i wish magene made directmount powermeter cranks again... (but lighter this time) i want to use 48-32 rings

[@ChinaCycling]

I went to the Sensah stand today too... literally nothing new... was underwhelmed. :(

[@ivandjordevic696]

What is more reliable, a power meter crankset or pedals?

[@ChinaCycling]

Spider based is usually pretty robust.

[@jamesbrickwood7414]

Great video. Do you remember the name of the company that made the lightweight gilet? I couldn’t quite catch it. Cheers

[@ChinaCycling]

I can't rememebr the name of the company, but its the same company behind OVERFAST... if you get in touch with them, they'll know.

[@jamesbrickwood7414]

Much appreciated 🙏

[@jamesbrickwood7414]

@@ChinaCycling thank you!

[@pangendy4512]

interested with the Stella bike frame, when and where can i find it!?!?!?!?

[@ChinaCycling]

Coming soon... 2-3 months...

[@cyclistshub]

Chinese switched the gears to a higher speed. 🚀Good coverage, Joe. 👍 I'm curious to see what all of this will be on Eurobike. 🤔

[@ChinaCycling]

It should be a good show..

[@darnellhenry7068]

Also I love the PARDOUS Road bike

[@michaelsrealm9365]

Will Panda podium have the xds rt9 frames? It's hard to find info in the usa.

[@ChinaCycling]

We're having talks with them, but some brands are limited as to where they can sell...

[@malcontent_1]

Well done, Joe

[@caveboy9988]

Wireless? I can see lots of wires. What am I missing

[@ChinaCycling]

Shifters are wireless, sorry... bike industry is bike industry...

[@loonation2185]

600g frames is crazy

[@ScrubsIsee]

Yeah. But will it last also?

[@climberevan]

My 2018 Trek Emonda frame is under 700g, so it's just a further evolution. That one also looked like a pretty small size...

[@kasperpaisa4245]

Stella had no inspiration herself? Bike looks like a Trek Madone

[@Carftymk]

it looks from the side, but there is no hole so that's a huge difference. i was kinda bummed to see it didn't, but there is a chinese frame (sold by airwolf iirc) that is almost a 1:1 copy of the madone with the hole

[@Adanteh]

Frame "inspired" by a Trek Madone. Name taken from a dutch e-bike company

[@tt113]

Yes, please stock Seka Spear on your store. I want to order it from the U.S.

[@ChinaCycling]

We're working on it... looking promising... mid-July kind of time frame.

[@jamesmace2711]

​@@ChinaCyclingmid July, I'm in - I'll order one of these if you can stock them! Exciting times

[@iskandarwee4775]

The Magene groupset actually looks good. The shifter shape is similar to 105 Di2. Let's hope the price is competitive, unlike the prices of EDS Tx and Ltwoo ERX, which are too close to the 105 Di2 price.

[@ChinaCycling]

I'm hopeful

[@GNH-1812]

One hell of a show❤❤❤

[@crackerede]

Could somebody recommend road endurance frame-bicycle company, need 33 tyre clearance + disk brake ofc + with good amount of pivot points ? I`m looking at Merida Scultura Endurance 6000, but I think that i can put a bike together for less than 3k:D

[@lazlo2511]

What a jam packed show…. Dude, what gels you using? LoL.

[@ChinaCycling]

Bath salts. lol. (Joke.)

[@lukewalker1051]

Your are a talented presenter Joe. Thank you.

[@ChinaCycling]

Getting better show by show I guess

[@THE_W0RLD_1S_Y0UR5]

I thought you were Simon from GCN on your thumbnail

[@simonlynch4204]

Man it sounds like it was loud! You are screaming in the mic! Thanks for the coverage!

[@ChinaCycling]

Its very noisy in there, cant hear yourself think.

[@qjetha]

Joe, what was the frame you were riding with the new Magene Groupset?

[@ChinaCycling]

Good question... I guess they just got a cheap open mold frame and painted it... but I'm not sure.

[@qjetha]

@@ChinaCycling Yeah that makes sense! Thanks for all you do!

[@A861967]

Rim brakes 😊 Yea baby yea ❤

[@aneczka2114]

Really hope you can get seka products....there is no longer support for USA...I bought the exceed and now I can't even get a spare derailleur hanger. Only one available is the one for shimano but I run sram.

[@sbccbc7471]

Is there no aftermarket version of the hanger?

[@ChinaCycling]

You've been subscribed for 5yrs, hit me up via email, lemme see if I can sort you out... ;)

[@mattrolls1765]

Crazy prices for bikes......out of head !

[@qwertyazerty2137]

That dyneema gillette looks more like made out of a shopping bag. I am also amazed with how much useless and unnecessary gizmos ( i. E aero bar ends) companies churn out and try to convince you they're worth getting.

[@ChinaCycling]

Haha, wait until you see the price... ;) ;)

[@toi3213]

Cant wait for rim brake version

[@brasstinmancrazy]

Would love to see more of the Java aluminium frame

[@ChinaCycling]

I'll head back on day 2 or day 3!

[@brasstinmancrazy]

@@ChinaCycling thank you