Chinese Longsword(Miaodao) vs Longsword Nanshan 2021

Mixian（Blue-Left） vs Shuanglan（Red-Right）

[@TheMightyMcClaw]

I love how HEMA in China also involves a re-examination of historical Chinese swordsmanship.

[@LeyvatenLoop]

I mean, at this point it's not HEMA anymore, as HEMA stands for Historical European Martial Arts, but yeah, it's a nice influence to revive the practical side of eastern swordfighting styles

[@baqikenny]

@@LeyvatenLoop *HEMA is an icon with these rulesets and protection. HCMA(C for Chinese) alone does not offer that at all, if not for HEMA's focus on reality to inspire young ones there would be literally no such sparring in HCMA, like not even close to one. In HCMA, the most important thing to be learned for a lot of people isn't how these weapons were great at the hands of the ancient to destroy old enemies in china,* *it's actually to recognize that cultural mysticism had always been the greatest enemy to HCMA, not the foreign invaders of any sort* *you would think that glorifying katana the samurai sword to be the worst from time to time,* *just dont forget the amount of mysticism glorifying the chinese swordship performance art to mystify the weapon's underlying practical usage is simply on an unbearable level.* *I am glad there's these cultural exchanges being played so that people learn to maintain truth and pragmatism to each other, otherwise it's all ending up in internet hype wars and belief in one's own egomaniac bullshit* I speak as only from my personal experience with traditional sensations coming from a chinese cultural perspective

[@bookknight]

Yelp f the magical bullish*t. If Chinese martial didn't take that route the modern martial art scene would've been much more interesting@@baqikenny

[@baqikenny]

@@bookknight lol bro if you could understand chinese word, you'd be surprised how much people go on "hema chinese swords" videos to comment it ain't kung fu, along with a bunch of ridiculous claims and glorification on how much traditional weight their words hold their stubbornness, claims like this is not even the right footwork or how geared sparring is nothing remotely close to how it's used in old days, or how you are amateurishly ruining traditional values blahblahblah. I mean that's exactly the problem right, they can't accept practical reality that's a number one egostistical issue, but what's also stopping them from realizing that they can't is they already assume they are already skillful and deadly and with a subliminal perception that sparring and making mistakes would make them lose face. But everyone starts somewhere and just have to make mistakes to get better regardless of how clumsy one currently is, and have to look forward to continuously change one's idea on what works and what doesn't for themself accordingly as they improve each day. You see this basic idea is too new for certain people who already immersed themselves in otherwise mystical ideals and lineage system, that's why so much bullshit continues to be inherited hundreds of years to this day, with other historically political issue too, but the comment has been long enough

[@malakatan3235]

@@bookknight Actually magical bullsh*t is come later for CMA after that styles become famous.

[@1337blackone]

i got a strong feeling that everyone was having so much fun

[@defenderofwisdom]

It was also an excellent bout from a viewers perspective. The final hilarious moment proved what I have always seen (and experienced!) A heroic charge almost never works! Proved my suspicion that a longsword is a longsword and footwork is footwork. The two moments in the middle, where the Chinese Longsword wielder entered the other's guard and sliced the chest, followed by the beheading by the European longsword wielder were two great, rare moments of excellent attacks. Very enjoyable.

[@Alfred_Leonhart]

That looked like fun too

[@edwardsarhuda2595]

Cause it is😅

[@lekopta]

As a practitioner of Chinese Martials Arts and HEMA this is great to see.

[@amagpie8239]

I am actually considering starting to practice both as well. I have never done anything like it before, but both HEMA and for example 功夫 (kung fu) seem very fun.

[@oneinahundred7393]

The footwork from the miao dao guy at 1:15 is so cool. If only he landed the strike instead of being decapitated. Wouldve been +10 cool points.

[@bodyno3158]

Slowed it down to 0.25x and watched it twice, it's likely just the helmet caught the long sword then fell off, if it was a real fight, the thing that the longsword guy cut would only be a few strands of hair... The awesomeness is now anime level.

[@nos8141]

@@bodyno3158 excactly

[@Khrene]

@@bodyno3158 Agreed, and if you watch the miadao wielders blade, they actually struck the longswordsman in the knees.

[@chopstick1671]

@@bodyno3158 I don’t know what brought you to that conclusion, I’m watching it multiple times and that cut to the head looks quite powerful; it’s not easy to knock off a helmet

[@bodyno3158]

@@chopstick1671 After rewatching it couple of times, you are... Right? It was a hit to the head, but was also an afterblow, miaodao guy's technique was not perfect too (like we all are), that should go for the belly, not on thighs. Probably this would work in a real duel-to-the-death scenario? Was it the helmet's culprit? Like, the helmet being kept held high due to it's structure so irl the miaodao guy could bow his head down enough to avoid a strike from the longsword guy. I don't know, I had worn kendo men many times, it's impossible to really bow your head when you are wearing one, wanna find something on the ground? Better get your whole spine working. Then it's the good old question of "Is HEMA a modern combat sport or actual reconstructional archaeology? " ..... I don't blame judges considered that was a hit though, a helmet sent flying off is always very impressive, and that was a risky shot, way too combat sport.

[@조선닌자핫토리]

You guys are really enjoying training your martial arts. I’ll be cheering for you as a kendo learner. Keep on keeping on!

[@A_Moustached_Sock]

If you like Kendo Id reccomend watching The Metatron. He has a few good videos on it from his time living in Japan

[@tristiandang6236]

1:00 that was soo smooth

[@shkotayd9749]

That was intense, and you guys looked like you were having FUN too! Doing it right!

[@charless3108]

Bruh this was more action packed than the long sword vids I've been watching

[@ArmoredPapercup24]

Cool Historical european martial arts and Historical east asian martial arts on a same ring

[@defenderofwisdom]

Excellent fight! Well trained, respectful and fun.

[@harrymoyer866]

I love the enthusiasm and willingness to mix it up!

[@dodgesportsman772]

Great thing is you can actually see quality techniques.... Rare... Good job!

[@awakeneddio6012]

I Think this was the First Time I saw Two practicioners of both arts at a similar Level with somewhat the same length of weapon.

[@TheChrisSig]

*sees man in cape* The west and east aren't so different

[@paweandonisgawralidisdobrz2522]

Capes +10 cool

[@VChong1991]

1:00 was beautiful

[@Philip-dy3ww]

1:28 too

[@6400loser]

Way more athletic than most American HEMA practitioners...

[@MrGod47]

@Michael Cote LoL another "muh UFC blabla" scenario. Put this in your estrogen pill and swallow it. Zhang Weili張偉麗 www. ufc.com/news/champion-check-in-zhang-weili en. wikipedia.org/wiki/Zhang_Weili

[@ghifarakbar8492]

1:17 the chinese guy was actually manage to make a cut on his opponent thigh or knee which could incapacitate the his oponent.

[@Makrond]

Good eye! Looks like the flags didn't see it because of the spectacle of the guy losing his mask, and the ref/marshall was in the wrong place to see it so it didn't get scored. That's an unfortunate reality of HEMA competition, but if the flags are scoring fairly and doing their best then those missed hits will go both ways and generally even out in the end. Flagging is a skill too, and it takes a lot of experience both fighting and officiating to actually get good at it. The flag officials are just volunteers, so there's variability in that skill and experience.

[@LeyvatenLoop]

Yeah, that was definitively a double hit, though how to score that would depend on their rules, for example: lethal vs injure, if a double hit happens with one side dealing a lethal blow while the other deals a blow that would most likely just injure, it makes sense to give some points to the one that killed. It also makes sense to not give points to anyone to avoid recklesness. Maybe the judges didn't notice, or maybe their rules would give a point to the lethal blow (but since I don't speak chinese, I can't tell :v)

[@JetConvoy]

Yes and he got his skull cleaved.

[@MagistraCatherine]

Yeah, and the judges changed their ruling to reflect that by ruling it a double (both fencers struck each other; no points each)

[@1Invinc]

Might actually be the reason the MiaoDao guy threw the last bout. He gave the fight to Longsword to reflect Lethal vs Incapacitate. Either way, fantastic exchange! Looks like great sportsmanship and a lot of fun was had.

[@MrGod47]

雙方都打得好，讚一個，但我更高興見到中式苗刀手打贏! 中國傳統武術絕對是能打的，很多人只是缺乏如同這樣的武鬥拚勁和對打訓練。 "止戈為武"的"武"，甲骨文裡的原意不是止息干戈，而是手拿干戈跨步向前準備上場戰鬥的形象；"鬥"字的甲骨文原型則代表的是兩人在對打。敢打、能打、會打才叫中國武術，就像這樣。

[@MiaogisTeas]

Nearly 10 years in China and only just now learning that some places do have HCMA and HEMA. This is very far from where I lived but it's good to see. Funny to think how many times I searched for and asked about this stuff, but unless you know the right people or EXACTLY the right thing to search for, you can't find it. Honestly the most frustrating language I've ever learned.

[@cokecan6169]

I think it also has to do with there still being too much "voodoo" practitioners for the real thing to he easily advertised.

[@MrGod47]

Maybe you're just misguided by those sensationalize "fake master competitions", or maybe you just didn't search hard enough. kzbin.info/www/bejne/sGLZqmtrqNR8Z7M kzbin.info/www/bejne/d4fZeIB-iJp7j7c kzbin.info/www/bejne/qqS4q4Gml8l6kKM

[@robertfogelberg7538]

Love you Guy when will you have the next tournemant

[@05comiti37]

Hey there, we have tournament every week, but this video comes from an annual competition

[@05comiti37]

b23.tv/mX1ZJd We don’t a KZbin channel for now but you can check our channel on Bilibili, where we upload tournament records constantly

[@robertfogelberg7538]

@@05comiti37 Thank you so much but all is in chinise your tonen is

[@05comiti37]

@@robertfogelberg7538 Don't worry it's almost same as KZbin in terms of UI, just follow your instinct(or a website translator)

[@tasseiviews2947]

I like that this exists, in the sense of it being a different sword competition sport from western and Japanese fencing. From my experience with bamboo swords though I wonder if the protective gear is enough against metal swords. It looks kinda dangerous, especially when someone misses the protective parts.

[@heresjonny666]

The gear we use in HEMA is robust and covers the majority of gaps. The weapons we tend to use are weighted closer to the hands and are flexible to mean they hit softer and bend in the thrust. Injuries are mostly to the hands, and there are a fair amount of concussions, due to really just using adapted olympic fencing masks with some additional padding / overlays. Additionally, most tournaments but for sure most clubs / sparring groups have force rules. You should be striking with intent, but control. So it wouldn't be acceptable to whallop someone as hard as you can. Overall, the injuries sustained are not very common, and mostly amount to bruising. The protective gear and safer weapons, combined with control and respect for your opponent's wellbeing make HEMA pretty safe all in all.

[@Riceball01]

While they may be using actual steel bladed swords they don't have edges on them and are probably duller than a butter knife. In addition to blunted edges, the tips are blunted too in form or another and the blades are usually made more flexible than their sharp counterparts are so that thrusts are safe too.

[@ac5623]

Where's that sparring miaodao / changdao from?

[@05comiti37]

From a Chinese hema supplier named 百川江湖（bai‘chuan’jiang‘hu）, you can find their store on Taobao

[@robertfogelberg7538]

@@05comiti37 can you put a link

[@05comiti37]

@@robertfogelberg7538 Sure but it is all Chinese, maybe you can try use website translator.item.taobao.com/item.htm?spm=a1z10.1-c.w4004-9358892237.18.51474d02RU925o&id=577778002307

[@kevinkhoo25]

What kind of body-shoulder armour is the guy with the Miaodao wearing & where to buy?

[@connorjensen9699]

where do you get the sparring safe miaodao?

[@JimNgStunts]

This was amazing!!! It looks like you guys were having so much fun too! =D

[@LinAhMaLe]

有看過一些國外對打視頻 感覺都沒你們的精彩 XD 希望有更多上傳

[@fritzious737]

Wait wait wait this was so sick what the fuck I need more

[@JinKee]

This is the content I came here to see.

[@R3DSHlFT]

1:17 that was just 👌😌👌 Everyone's face be like 😮

[@ivansemenyk4417]

this is good sparring, every kenjutsu schools suppose to do that

[@mushus001]

Très beau combat!! Et bel énergie. Bonne continuation ^^.

[@DEFKNIGHT]

What's most interesting is that the guard of the western sword isn't playing that much of a role during the melee except for being a disadvantage when they came together. The guard actually allowed the Asian sword practitioner to release off of the guard it looked like, while the Western sword was trapping itself against the blade. I have to watch it again. But it did seem to me to be in the way during that skirmish in the melee.

[@DEFKNIGHT]

Yep watched it twice more and 5hats exactly what happened. The guard actually cause it to trap itself as the swordsman try to use that guard to run down the length and trap the Asian style sword. Nice technique. I would say the guard is to protect a less skilled swordsman. A more skilled swordsman would simply release from the attempted trap and use that very same trap as a trap, coming underneath after the release slicing under the armpit without armor that would have ended the melee for the him. With armor as you saw the slice should be nullified and there's an opportunity for a counter as followed in this melee starting at 0:59 about.

[@czarus_the_sniper9924]

Historically, crossguards had a striking and hooking purpose as well. Of course they will not implement a warhammer-like strike thats meant to beat armour. It is true that it sometimes gets in the way, other times it helps a tremendous lot.

[@seretith3513]

Longswords Advantage however is it's unspecelized offense Both Stabbing and Cutting. Even with the False Edge, the Back of the Blade, while the Dao is more Cut heavy and is single Edged.

[@DEFKNIGHT]

@@seretith3513 Well... I agree and disagree. The false edge gives the dao the advantage of being able to be used a s a defense tool not purely offensive. And the Dao is stabbing weapon as well. It's been demonstrated many times. It just can't slash or cut from the false side of course. That's why the move where dao user who got his head cut off was a reverse cut which couldn't be used be the Dao although it would certainly be quite the blow to the head regardless. But it obviously wouldn't do the same kind of damage with or without armor.

[@seretith3513]

@@DEFKNIGHT how does sharping the false Edge makes it inpossible or more impractical to be used defensivly? Yes, thrusting is a thing in Curved blades, but the Longsword has it better on point because it is straight.

[@yankeedoodle2801]

The ending tho lol. guys straight up trying to murder each other lolol. This is really good.

[@seretith3513]

And the Suicide rusher got punished hard for it

[@nastycanastas1548]

Great video and great fights!

[@sortofcephalopod8972]

man Im seeing a ton of Historical fencing gyms in china lately, has this just gotten popular over there?

[@05comiti37]

I would said it gains its popularity over past 4~5 years so kind of yes

[@rimroth5224]

Where to find Miao Dao or any chinese swordsmanship manuals in english?

[@05comiti37]

not sure, i don't think english hma community have realized miao dao actually have few manuals. as far as i know you can find a translation of principle of Wudang swordsmanship(jian, single handed sword) on Z-library

[@提空提空]

苗刀十三式

[@johnbarron4265]

I hope that padding is kevlar or aramid fiber, and THICK. Otherwise, ouch.

[@Sk0lzky]

Damn, time to move to China I guess

[@newarkupload8292]

05Comiti what's this international tournament called?

[@05comiti37]

Nanshan 2021

[@05comiti37]

not international though, this is a club member only event

[@kamilnovacgaming7692]

哪一个比较厉害？有没有这两种武器的对比视频？

[@05comiti37]

哈哈哈没想到能在这儿遇到柯叔😂就我们俱乐部对练经验而言长剑和苗刀两边都各有优势与劣势，长剑虽然短一些但是有反刃与十字格，厉害与否还是看人

[@kamilnovacgaming7692]

@@05comiti37 这个解释拍成视频，估计会有很多人来看 ^^

[@05comiti37]

@@kamilnovacgaming7692 下次拉小伙伴试试hhhh

[@kamilnovacgaming7692]

@@05comiti37 加油！

[@wizardjacek86]

Great one handed trust really like that

[@ColossalSwordFormAndTechnique]

Double edge sword is always good. False edge with front edge and thrust mixed combinations .

[@greatsol2444]

He chopped the guys helm right off!

[@stepheninczech]

This is bullshit. Not one of them threw his sword in the air and kicked it into the opponent.

[@siegbraud4658]

If it was a real fight,the one who threw his sword could survive

[@Josh-rs6bj]

Pretty cool exchange.

Rencontre très intéressante!

[@adamzoe523]

这是西洋剑吗 我练剑道 玩法不一样吧?

[@05comiti37]

你好！这个是historical fencing，大陆这边一般叫兵击，是模拟历史上的真实无甲战斗，视频里两位选手分别用的是中国的苗刀与欧洲的长剑。器械方面来讲，只要尽量与历史上的参数相近并且足够安全都可以上场，对形制而言并没有要求 ：D

[@SedDelMar]

So cool! A fine demonstration!

[@nekomancer4641]

1:15 literally Guts vs bazuso right there

[@Mitzterbg]

Great fights!

[@mndeg]

these guys look a lot better than the hema people

[@chunxucui1033]

我怎么感觉蓝方不太会用longsword的感觉呢……

[@asedf9687]

Please link the source

[@kurtismcfarland2393]

Miao Dao Wins! Before the headgear came off Miao Dao had the legs.

[@_Wai_Wai_]

Hello, is this in Taiwan or Mainland China?

[@05comiti37]

Hi there, we are based in Chengdu of mainland China

[@yanniskusogaki]

Very good, very honest.

[@shawkorror]

Unbiased and fun by all appearances, excellent.

[@enderwiggin9303]

When the court jester puts your helmet on

[@michaeljosephdimaano2802]

That last part got me XD

[@聖光想跟你說]

1:38 這樣打後腦....裁判都沒有要警告或是要選手注意嗎？

[@05comiti37]

当时都傻了，因为苗刀方也有冲太猛把头送过去的问题没特别提，说是说了不该这么打

[@shanakaze8435]

Wow!

[@Xentradi97]

Hmm, I was expecting somewhat different movements but quite similar to HEMA.

[@ImThinking3]

That miao dao is too short. Use a correct sized one.

[@Philip-dy3ww]

They do have skills

[@V4PoRiZeR20]

neat

[@greatneos]

Cool Armor!

[@vovantuongquang8586]

why did longsword take that big step in the first exchange that felt like a dumb move compromising his balance

[@05comiti37]

misjudgements of distance I guess

[@JetConvoy]

I’m going to assume he’s a Meyer stylist. My group practices Meyer but I personally prefer earlier styles. Meyer has very wide sweeping motions like that which leave you completely open to thrusts.

[@czarus_the_sniper9924]

@@JetConvoy Nah, I disagree. He does prefer cutting, but if you coordinate well with you footwork it is very efficient, and definatelly not wide open to thrusts. Every attack action leaves you open somewhere...

[@Leo-yz5wd]

i think this 淦内酿劲爆，帅哦

[@stuflames4769]

Cool.

[@letssee8397]

Longsword is too focused on hewing. Bind!

[@05comiti37]

well he follows fiore's system so I guess them don't have much binding in it?

[@defenderofwisdom]

@@05comiti37 Even then my Fiore instructor always discouraged getting stuck in a bind.

[@Sk0lzky]

Tbf I prefer this way too but I know many fiorists who approach the topic differently

[@josephlucas4024]

@@05comiti37 I don't know what you mean by there is not much binding in fiore. There are literally two whole, lengthy sections on what to do with a longsword when you bind which are the Zogho Largo (wide play) and Zogho Stretto (close play) sections. If you don't think there isn't any binding in fiore then it seems as you still have a bit more reading to do.

[@Richard-ib2xw]

串并联不愧是你

[@BlackLoong]

自强不息

[@MoluskToeCheese]

Wooow that dude wouldve lost the top of his head exposing his brain!

[@nos8141]

not really?

[@pipebomber04]

The monster hunter long sword will beat all their swords

[@05comiti37]

true

[@Judicial78]

1:00 that wouldn't have done anything in a real fight, no quality. They aren't lightsabers... and that last exchange should have been blue point. The red hit to the legs was flat.

[@DarkwarriorJ]

You sure? Given usual sparring rules (simulating unarmored combat), that looks like it would've been a draw-cut to the armpits, which would've been pretty lethal

[@Judicial78]

@@DarkwarriorJ Had he actually been attempting to slice, perhaps, but that's not what happens in the video.

[@kuprukuula]

@@Judicial78 He threw his hips and entire weight against the opponent, all the while leveraging the spine of the blade against his body. With sharp weapons that would've been incredibly devastating, but he had no reason to continue the move. If he had to, he could've easily just pulled down (like doing a hip-throw) and severed off at least an arm.

[@Judicial78]

@@kuprukuula Do you spar and fight with these weapons? Because I have for almost 10 years including running tournament events and judging them. So unless you are coming from some sort of authority please be silent.

[@kuprukuula]

@@Judicial78 You absolutely haven't been cutting people up for 10 years, but don't let me wake you up from your fantasies. Are you seriously suggesting you would be okay on the receiving end of that strike? If that wouldn't do you in the follow up will, which you wouldn't be in any condition to prevent.

[@emyuan8hs]

感觉好危险的游戏

[@SchwertundKelch]

a fight in which both only look at the quick points ... absolute nonsense

[@tristantsang4325]

Well yeah they're just having fun and not trying to kill each other, what do you expect

[@SchwertundKelch]

@@tristantsang4325 I think you don't understand exactly what I'm talking about .... both of them just try to hit the quick hit, neither pays attention to distance or defense .. that has nothing to do with sword fighting skills that is just stupid knocking ... no Hema

[@danielfang749]

I think I get your point, they should be trying to apply more techniques so they would have an incresed chance of survivability, aftar all, that's what HEMA is all about. Gotta agree with that, even though I practice hung gar, our weapon training looks for the exact same thing. However they are going in the right direction, maybe just paying more attention into this aspect and all should be fine

[@Joshuatree7746]

I see them swinging the sword but the structure is weak. Their arms are getting tired from swinging those swords and those swords will get heavy after a couple of bouts. After the arms get tired then the real skill emerge when you are forced to use your body or structure to swing those swords and then you have power behind it. This is so kindergarten.

[@alexsolosm]

Oh come on, that is obviously a western longsword user that is kicking the opponents ass.

[@hiendaica4668]

Copy japanese and europe sport,

[@05comiti37]

Ah, not gonna suggest calling hema a sport in front of some people

[@lolcatjunior]

Katana was actually used by almost everyone in Asia, from Javan Pirates, Burmese, Thailand and Dai Veit Kingdoms to Joseon Korea who started making their own katanas after defeating the Japanese Samurai during the Imjin War they decided to adapt the sword for the future. Katana is the Eastern version of the longsword.