Chinese Navy Introduces Z-20F Anti-Submarine Helicopter

The Harbin Z-20F, China’s latest anti-submarine helicopter, is confirmed to be in service. It has the latest ASW sensors and weapons, and small enough to fit inside the hangars of destroyers.
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www.globaltimes.cn/page/20220...
www.scmp.com/news/china/milit...
inf.news/en/military/10168f56...
Keywords: PLAN, PLA Navy, naval aviation, Navy Day, 73rd Anniversary, Type 055, naval technology, modern warships, Z-9C, Kamov Ka-28, Z-20
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[@algung2522]

For those in the knows, Z-20 appearance was fundamentally different from the oldies that of American seahawk. By adding an extra rotor blade, and an enlarged fuselage with the subsequent treatment of the transition of her tail section, would require drastically new designs in aerodynamics, and many areas of engineerings! Incorporation of indigenous motor, avionics & flight controls, etc. would involve many new and major efforts! After years of tests and fights over Tibetan plateaus, Z-20 had finally vouched for her success and readiness into PLAAF combat services!

[@xandervk2371]

Could you also list the main deficiencies of this aircraft?

[@gelinrefira]

Yea, people are not going to be generous. They are always to going criticize how similar it looks to the Blackhawk and say Chinese have no originality and only steal designs. Instead of trying to please people who are out to get you, they should just do their thing because national security is far more important than hurt feelings.

[@xandervk2371]

@@gelinrefira Preventively defensive, huh?

[@algung2522]

@@xandervk2371 ... for the deficiencies, I would refer you back to the old Black Hawk copter of the american design, which had been found with hundreds of defects in it, which by the way had been perfected by Chinese engineers. 😎

[@xandervk2371]

@@algung2522 So they perfected the deficiencies? Gotcha.

[@Rob_F8F]

For those seeing the resemblance to the US Blackhawk, the US sold 24 S-70s to China between 1979-1989 (ending after the Tiananmen Square massacre). In the 30+ years since, these have been studied, and the Z-20 is the result of Chinese lessons learned. It has an extra rotor, larger cabin, and indigenous avionics. So it is not a copy, just inspired by.

[@1994fishboy]

What you just described is literally exactly how China copies (see reverse engineer) tech. They have done the same thing with the SU-27 family of aircraft. This isn't inspired by, its "stolen from". You can not in good faith, look at this helicopter and say "China built this 100% from scratch". It just isn't true. Sure, they added a rotor blade, and made some other changes. But at its core, its a Blackhawk with Chinese tech onboard.

[@Strategy_Analysis]

Thanks ENI. An important development for the PLAN's ASW capabilities. One point @ENI, it is not clear that all the Destroyers will be able to operate the Z-20 due to the size of their Hangars and Flight Deck area. This is why the Type 052DL was developed. It's flight deck is extended 4 meters. It might be that only the extended versions of the Type 052D, and the Type 055, can operate the Z-20.

[@EurasiaNaval]

Thanks for support. My view that the Z-20 should be able to operate on board the Type 052D is based on the statement in the Chinese press reports, apparently sourced from retired PLA colonel, that the Z-20 is intended to replace the Z-9C and the Ka-28. Based on this specification, it would make sense for the Z-20 to be able to operate on board the basic Type 052D destroyers, same as its two predecessors it is intended to replace. Also, the Z-20 is about the same size as the Seahawk, and the latter is used on fairly small US warships (e.g. LCS), although I don't know how the size of their helipads compare to PLAN destroyers.

[@Strategy_Analysis]

@@EurasiaNaval You could be right. And the Z-20 is to replace the Ka-28 and Z-9 where possible. Basing my comment to you on 2 points. First is the lengthening of the flight deck on the DL version by around 4 metres. Second is the folded length of the Z-20 is likely longer than the Z-9 or Ka-28. Now the hanger on other vessels that can accommodate the Ka-28 and Z-9 might also be able to accommodate the Z-20, we don't know.

[@EurasiaNaval]

Fair points - I could well be wrong too

[@Strategy_Analysis]

@@EurasiaNaval It would be far better for the PLAN if you are right. We'll just have to wait to confirm.

[@user-rz4qy1ts2f]

I was hoping you can talk about this and you already upload new videos here! Great video BTW

[@EurasiaNaval]

Thanks for support. I quite like these short videos - quick to make and watch

[@user-LandChad]

This is like Su27 series, looks like a copy but better than the original one

[@IGetGangBangedByFishAllDay]

Honestly i hope that copyhawk is better than the original. That would be disappointing considering the fact that the copy hawk entered service in like 2019 and the black hawk entering service in 1974.

[@cjthebeesknees]

Quite aesthetically pleasing tbh, looks good.

[@kevinlaw6191]

Only 052DL and 055 can take this bird

[@EurasiaNaval]

I see - I'm probably mistaken then

[@cunzhouyang3317]

Technically，other PLAN destroyers and frigates can also operate z20，it’s just not as efficient and convenient considering the length of their helipads

[@allgood6760]

Awesome 👍

[@arthurvandeman]

anoher excellent report/update. any chance u can get broad estimate of numbers in service from published sources?

[@EurasiaNaval]

I had a quick look at naval library app, and this seems based on the normal Z-20s that are in service: Max speed 190 knots (fairly high), cruise speed 160 knots, range 560 km (lower than I had expected). Size at 20 m length and 5.3 meteres height is similar to a Seahawk. Service ceiling approximately 6,000 meters. In addition to the avionics we already discussed, there is a Satcom, a IFF (fairly standard), radar warning system (again fairly standard). No info on the spec of the radar - that's secret!

[@arthurvandeman]

@@EurasiaNaval nice 1. domestic development of rotary wing a/c was very slow in the 80's- 2000's albeit based on imported super frelon, civilian s70 and lp of as365 - think how long it took to work on version of s70 imported to china in mid 80s (used by the pla early on, i believe). my understanding is that development of rotary wing a/c is extremely complex because of the rotational forces (multi-axis). almost certainly, during this period resources were focused on fixed wing/ turbofans. btw, the short period preceding tiananmen is fascinating in terms of us-ch military cooperation in that cold war era...russia = 'my enemy's enemy is my friend'..us cooperated w/china to oeprate a joint elint station to track russian missile testing from their baikonur test site, import of us artillery, artillery locating radar and even -to my knowledge - us torpedoes (early mk 48!). we have a huge gap in knowledge of ch torpodoe systems....wikipedia clains yu-6 is a 'cloned version of mk48 but i do recall reports of mk48 being exported to china - whether they were delivered is not known...

[@haikaloronsentnel138]

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[@armanboncales2928]

Its look like uh-60 blackhawk or seahawk

[@ukxie]

but much better than them

[@paulsteaven]

@@ukxie does the Z-20 has better surface search radar and dipping sonar?

[@tusharhbk]

Looks like Sikorsky MH 60 Romeo Seahawk Helicopter.

[@user-mm3eu4un6b]

See it back fire when landing

[@lishen9]

Why china keeps using z 18 for all aspects of their naval helicopter duties ?! That plane is so huge and bulky there are better and small choppers for those duties … they use it for specialty, submarine hunting, troop transport, carrier search and rescue and hospital transport… some of these duties dont need a chopper that size and when you have all these hellioc that that size it limits the carrying capacity of their carriers

[@donaldmatthews7226]

Ctlr-c ctrl-v working well again for china I see

[@hugowilliams1988]

Sanction ! Paint used on this helicopter will be banned from importing to US.

[@sergiodesouzajunior3962]

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[@brianm1907]

Do you think that if China can hack the US IFF, an air defence system would be able to distinguish between a Blackhawk and a Z20? A MANPAD operator would surely have a really hard time identifying who is the enemy.

[@JD-dm1uj]

This is a damn near exact copy of the US Navy Seahawk Helicopter,🤔.

[@JD-dm1uj]

@@EurasiaNaval 😂, cheers mate!

[@dadidadida123]

It’s an accomplishment to the US design.

[@edwardtang1977]

All glass cockpit with modern avionics though.

[@mikel4690]

Transition to tail section is very different. Also it has 5-blade rotor instead of 4.

[@algung2522]

@@mikel4690 ...you had hit on the two biggies of Chinese Z-20 appearances, which were fundamentally different from the oldies that of Merican seahawk. For those in the knows, by adding an extra rotor blade, and an enlarged chassis with the subsequent treatment of the transition of her tail section, would require a drastically new design in aerodynamics, and areas of engineerings! With the use and incorporation of indigenous motor, avionics & flight controls, etc. would also involve many new and major efforts in her creation. After years of tests and flights over Tibetan plateaus, Z-20 had finally vouched for her success and readiness into PLAAF combat services!

[@AF-dz4ty]

Blackhawk

[@user-mm3eu4un6b]

Should but doesnt carry nothing but back firing that can be seen it can be seen any where can't hide its signatures

[@sergiodesouzajunior3962]

Compro 30.000 unidades para a marinha do Brasil

[@coreyjacobs2718]

Gosh wish they would just innovate their own ish

[@IGetGangBangedByFishAllDay]

They cant. And besides, even if they do copy our stuff, they dont research anything about the helicopter they are copying. They will start to fall apart in a few years.

[@user-ey8df9ss2i]

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[@sergiodesouzajunior3962]

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[@sergiodesouzajunior3962]

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[@user-ey8df9ss2i]

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[@hatman_cuw4301]

bajakan

[@paulsteaven]

Ah yes, Z-20 Copyhawk, my favorite Blackhawk derivative.

[@biochemwang2421]

Oh, yes, you must be my derivative because you also have two legs just like me.

[@xinyiquan666]

stop BS, US seahawk is outdated crppps

[@Scowcz]

It is indeed a copy, but the engine power is higher, the propellers are more and the sound is quieter, considering that Siskoki has no registered patent in China, this is legal, hahahaha

[@xinyiquan666]

@@Scowcz stop ur BS, you talk about s 70 is copy of mi 26 because russian has no patent in US

[@paul123ggggggggg]

@@xinyiquan666 lol look at all the triggered dinks.

[@mbukukanyau]

This Chinese shit better work if they want to take on the Japanese and Hedgehog Taiwan, otherwise, it will end up in iron bottom sound

[@aurindomborah6269]

Another US copy it's clearly seen it a copied version of uh 60 naval version ........

[@simonyip5978]

It's based on the S-70 that were imported from the US in the 80's.

[@totoitekelcha7628]

A copy of sikorsky Romeo seahawk helicopter.

[@ukxie]

But much better than them.

[@totoitekelcha7628]

@@ukxie how?

[@qiyuxuan9437]

@@totoitekelcha7628 Definally bettter than old model of seahawk, about on par with the newer model. It has a powerful new engine, modern flight control system, glass cockpit etc.

[@totoitekelcha7628]

@@qiyuxuan9437 dublicate cannot br better than original.

[@qiyuxuan9437]

@@totoitekelcha7628 Well, its not a duplicate. It took heavy inspiration from it. China bought 24 blackhawks since 1980s, and know its strength and weakness, and thats why Z20 family is designed to be a improved model to replace them.

[@Think.twi.e]

Copy-20f 😂

[@fungames24]

1/10th to 1/20th the price. Estimated shipping 60 days, and guaranteed refund if you don't receive it or not as described.

[@aungaisum8654]

But with better domestic engines, larger body space and better avionics and radars system than the older Blackhawk. The engines nozzles are pointing upwards not sideways like America Blackhawk. This is definitely not a copy. It's just base on Blackhawk helicopter.

[@Ricardo-yt7fg]

@@aungaisum8654 it is a copy no matter what you say search sea hawk or black hawk helicopter and you will see the resemblance.

[@Ricardo-yt7fg]

@@aungaisum8654 originality at its finest.

[@bolunyang1997]

@@Ricardo-yt7fg then you have to know that there are more than 20 generations of Blackhawk are produced and applied in more than 40 years, it’s definitely not true that the originals are the best. And if you emphasize it’s copy, it’s not a shame anyway, China couldn’t even produce qualified Soviet helicopters with a prepared production line back to 80s. Last but not least, all techniques of Z20 are 100 percent Chinese and the design is better than Blackhawk as the others already told you.

[@user-mm3eu4un6b]

Dont believe from tictok

[@davecadusale9264]

another chinese knockout seems like copycat of black hawk helicopter

[@justsomedude6666]

Imagine being killed by this copycat :3

[@paul123ggggggggg]

@@justsomedude6666 imagine living in a nation that is not primarily known for copying and theft.

[@wisehole7742]

@@paul123ggggggggg you meau us?

[@paul123ggggggggg]

@@wisehole7742 the chinese

[@sergiodesouzajunior3962]

Compro 70.000 unidades para a marinha do Brasil

[@sergiodesouzajunior3962]

Compro 30.000 unidades para a marinha do Brasil

[@sergiodesouzajunior3962]

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[@sergiodesouzajunior3962]

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