Chinese Warlord Rifles: Hanyang Type 88, aka Type Han

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One of the biggest arsenals in China in the 20th century was the Hanyang Arsenal, built in 1890 by the Qing dynasty to help modernize China’s military. The fist rifle to be made there was a copy of the German Gewehr 88 commission rifle (designated Type 88), which began production in 1895. A few changes were made early in production, with the barrel shroud deleted in 1904 and the rear sight changed form a ladder type to a tangent type in 1910. After this, production would remain basically the same through the end of production in 1944. In total, some 1,083,000 examples were made over nearly 50 years of production.
A major shift in production occurred in 1938, when the Hanyang Arsenal had to be evacuated to avoid the advance of Japanese troops. At that time it was renamed the 1st Arsenal, and its rifle production machinery was transferred to the 21st Arsenal. The Type 88 rifle was renamed the Type Han at that point, and production from 1939 until 1944 took place at the 21st Arsenal (ending when that facility transitioned to production of the Chiang Kai-Shek rifle instead). These 21st Arsenal rifles (or which some 207,000 were made in those 5 years) can be identified by the left-handed swastika used as the arsenal’s symbol, as opposed to the 5-pointed star used by the Hanyang Arsenal.
The Type 88/Type Han was made to use the same clips as the Gewehr 88, and chambered for the .318” round nosed 8mm Mauser ammunition. This ammo was in production in China through the end of the 1930s, and there was not a systematic effort to rechamber the rifles for a Spitzer version of the cartridge, as there was in Germany. That said, some were converted here and there, and some were also captured and converted to single shot use as trainers by the Japanese military.
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[@HistoricalWeapons]

Fun fact, before this gun came into production, the Chinese/Manchus were one of the last major armies to use bows on a large scale.

[@hwl7502]

Even more fun fact, drawings and documents from that era suggest they use bows side by side with muskets, not by assign them to different unit but have same soldier carry both at same time. They would took advantage of the range of the guns then switch to bows at closer range in favor of much faster firing rate and perhaps indirect fire capability.

[@pd-kx4qw]

That would be terrifying to come up against even if you had more modern weaponry. I couldn’t imagine not hearing anything and all of a sudden someone next to you is taken out by an xbow bolt. Hard pass!

[@HistoricalWeapons]

@@pd-kx4qw actually their manchurian arrows were the most horrifying. 2000 grain weight even at 150 fps can penetrate two men. the sizes of those arrows...nobody wore armor at that time and these had comparable stopping power at close range to a musket.

[@lol500000]

Name checks out

[@gladonos3384]

@@pd-kx4qw Ummm... I think I will take the modern weaponry any day of the week.

[@Sman7290]

First I've heard of "Arming The Dragon". Now I need to go back in and add it to my order.

[@Primarch359]

I couldn't find that pledge tier. Is it a stretch goal that hasn't been added as an add on yet? Or is in an appendix in the main book?

[@williamflowers9435]

It’s in the same place as the bookmarks and ex libris and patches

[@RustyDroid]

@@Primarch359 Annnd it's already gone

[@alexipestov7002]

Don't worry, Hanyang just needs a MOD3 and then she'll be good as new!

[@thomascraiker6449]

She does look fly at mod 3

[@jackshikikunt3042]

She became gundam, no wait kinda frame arms girls lol

[@5t3v0esque]

I think I'm embarrassed that I know what you're talking about...

[@Fishman465]

How long do you think it'll take someone to make art of this?

[@alexipestov7002]

@@5t3v0esque The Venn diagram between the communities is _strange_

[@sgtass1]

Really glad to see Ian do so many Chinese history videos. Really forgotten piece of history

[@spacewater7]

Some want you to forget.

[@Drownedinblood]

I guess people finally looking towards WW2 history in Asia now that European portion is covered so thoroughly.

[@greyhoundTex]

@Tian Wong ...and the fallout from this action almost directly lead to the political conflict prior to the Korean War. If only we had listened to Patton... Haha.

[@greyhoundTex]

@Tian Wong Yeah, more than likely assassinated for his view on how to handle the communists.

[@yunongli2872]

So too thought the Soviet Union

[@hantingliu882]

Soldiers call it "feet action rifle", because the bolt get rusted so fast they have to stand up and step on it like a shovel to reload.

[@BrownianMotionPicture]

That's an amusing fact, thanks.

[@dutchlancer2562]

Now that's the type of trivia that I read comments for XD Was there a specific reason for this rusting? Lack of conditioning/maintenance supplies or was it a production deficit?

[@edwalmsley1401]

Sounds like a solid tactic for mosins too 🤣🤣🤣

[@ejharbet6390]

Love my 98

[@chanman819]

@@edwalmsley1401 Me before firing a bent-bolt Mosin: I wonder why bent bolts weren't more common when straight bolts take up so much space. Me reduced to repeatedly palm-striking the bent bolt handle of my friend's Mosin to unlock the (only very moderately sticky) bolt: Ohhhhhh

[@eeshsinger]

he did it he reviewed a Hanyang type 88 yeahhh

[@coinflipwolfe3734]

Damn shame the laser bayonet and magnetic accelerating coil isn't on this one. Watch out for Typhoons.

[@Hangmen13official]

I understood that reference.

[@lerenzuu]

Ah yes, another shikikun of culture

[@SmuggestOfRats]

Yeah, we're gonna need to bring Lee Harvey Oswald's favorite Grape to help take those out. And maybe one or two ROF buffers.

[@commanderbeepo8066]

Shikikans assemble!

[@comraderevo2362]

Suppose those only available after neural upgrade?

[@garlicdemon1]

I've got a hanyang with Beiyang army markings on the reciever, and kmt markings on the stock that denotes the rifle was issued to the 84th division.

[@kryzys904]

You're Lucky! That was one of the German-trained divisions and said to be Chiang Kai-Shek's favorite division.

[@Kaosu10]

Tangentially related. Just funny seeing someone mention kmt. My grandma kept her kmt membership card even till her death a few years back. Member number was like 1285.

[@jasonsudana5320]

@@kryzys904 It wasn't a German trained division. The German trained divisions were the 3rd, 6th, 9th, 14th, 36th, 87th, and 88th.

[@kirbyculp3449]

@@Kaosu10 Respect.

[@kryzys904]

@@jasonsudana5320 No...It was 30 divisions, not 8. The 8 divisions were reorganized and REARMED, the rest was just retrained. Here's a list of the fully retrained divisions: 2nd, 11th, 14th, 25th, 36th, 57th, 67th, 87th, Training Divisoin, 3rd, 4th, 6th, 9th, 10th, 27th, 80th, 83th, 88th, 89th, Salt Tax """Regiment""". All 20 divisions were trained and organized according to plans of the German advisors. They belong to the first 2 phases of the reorganization. Another 10 divisions (3rd phase) were in training when war broke out. The 87th and 88th have ALWAYS been German trained and better equipped. The rest had 1-2 German advisors in each division, and mostly local made equipment. They do look German by having the M35 helmet. The "education unit" was the best equipped among all but was used as replacement for the others.

[@emilelepissier7550]

First character there 乙 is the second character in the series used for enumerating a sequence, similar to "B" in "exhibit B" or "item B". So there probably was serial numbers that was like 甲xxxxxx. The whole series of 10 characters 甲乙丙丁戊己庚辛壬癸, is called the 天干 Sky Stem, meaning the main trunk. Together with the series of 12 characteristics 子丑寅卯辰巳午未申酉戌亥, called the Ground Branch, form the traditional Chinese sexagenary cycle for their calendar. Sixty being the lowest common multiple of 10 and 12. So if two characters, one from each series, appear together, most likely it was marking the year in the sexagenary cycle. But if only one character from the Sky Stem leads a serial, it was making obvious that fact.

[@ianfinrir8724]

Fascinating.

[@DerLoladin]

The way China, throughout its various dynasties, armed itself with weapons of all kinds is fascinating. To imagine that during the early Ming, the Chinese would end up arming hundreds of thousands of their troops with firearms, cannons, rockets. Anyone curious about the administrative challenges associated with that as well as some of their usage and distribution (and what was prioritised where and why) I highly recommend the Ming Shilu for study. It's a vast collection so it might take some time to work through it all - it's been largely translated into English by Australian Historian Geoff Wade.

[@DBCisco]

I had a 1939 Chinese 98 Mauser and C-96, sold them for $100 each in the 80s. Wish I still had them

[@fritzdaddy-135mmgetstagger4]

Why the c96 (ノ｀⌒´)ノ┫：・┻┻

[@heanvisalseyhak9487]

Why you sell? It’s so rare

[@walruskingmike5776]

Oh God. That hurts.

[@edwardjoe8448]

damn man, those will worth thounsands of dollars nowaday

[@DBCisco]

@@edwardjoe8448 They were selling for under $100 in the 80s.

[@reinbeers5322]

I can't find the part about the Gundams though, damn.

[@cosminetron]

The way of the gundam

[@brig.badger2896]

What do you mean?

[@janhulek785]

Gundam is japanese....

[@Whatever-ly9ek]

The first letter of the serial number I assume is the Chinese character 乙 (yi)? Don’t really know if it’s trying to describe the grading of the rifle or batch/model number even maybe something else. In China people use characters like “甲 乙 丙 丁…” to describe the grade of stuff like A B C and D level. Don’t know if I make myself clear enough. Here is the wiki page kinda explains it better than I can: en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heavenly_Stems

[@fuuryuuSKK]

serial, not cereal

[@Whatever-ly9ek]

@@fuuryuuSKK Thank you for pointing that out! English is not my native language and I apologize for misspelling that.

[@darwinchan7695]

Yes indeed, 乙 in Chinese is used just like the English letter B, so I wonder if it carries more meaning than just a proof mark, or perhaps it's some sort of a "second stage" proof mark.

[@NM-wd7kx]

@@Whatever-ly9ek that's astoundingly good English for a second language mate

[@Whatever-ly9ek]

@@NM-wd7kx Thank you!

[@Zajuts149]

"...they are not all strictly Mausers." Indeed. Some of them are Wausers:)

[@Zmeeed01]

And BrowningBrowningBrownings

[@mikepette4422]

who wants a mauser when you can wauser

[@dutch4260]

or Wauser Wauser Waffenfabrik

[@edwalmsley1401]

Well done 🤣

[@vaclav_fejt]

@@dutch4260 Wauser Maffenfabrik

[@jimbayler4277]

The hole in the stock probably was for a mount or bi-pod type set up. Wall guns were popular in China's fortifications, so there is a good chance the hole was for some kind of pintle pin allowing it to be mounted in a socket on the fort's wall.

[@tt-ew7rx]

If you move from Hanyang to Hunan province, you go South, instead of North ;-) That first character in the serial number 乙 means ‘second’ or 'two' in most uses. Not too sure what it indicates here.

[@steventuck1524]

It indicates a second grade rifle...as opposed to a first grade or third or fourth grade gun

[@jawafreak230]

Lol shouldn’t the character be 二？因为我不知道为什么。

[@tmq7288]

​@@jawafreak230 二是现代说法。 以前作排序时，更多是用“甲乙丙丁”；甚至在上世纪80年代，这种排序表达也很常见。 汉阳造上面这个确定是第二的意思。

[@jawafreak230]

@@tmq7288 好啊，谢谢。

[@Mikalu0514]

@@jawafreak230 乙在排序上就像英文排序的B吧

[@jeromechan4076]

wait where is the mech accessories and the maid cafe?

[@ManofHalal]

Where's the longsword that she uses lmao

[@CuongNguyen-cq6zh]

it's the secret 3 million dollar stretch goal of Pistols of the Warlords ;)

[@teamscarletdevil6915]

i see what you did here lol

[@anandakang]

Came to the comments section looking for a GFL reference, wasn't disappointed.

[@GuardianOfTheHeaven]

Likewise, bud :3

[@sparky6855]

Thanks for making my days a little better with these videos!

[@notme5184]

hey it's the gun i kept giving to my chinese conscripts in hoi4

[@hamishnoble8146]

No way, I literally searched your channel for a video on the Hanyang-88 last night after watching The Eight Hundred and couldnt believe it hadn't been covered yet! Excellent video as always!

[@shatterquartz]

A great movie indeed, highly recommanded to those who are interested in the Sino-Japanese War.

[@FinalWarrior591]

Huh, Ian's getting into Chinese gundams now? Awesome. 😉

[@munkSWE88]

My theory on that hole, it's for a crude bipod.

[@moreparrotsmoredereks2275]

Nonsense, it's to attach your Tactical Bean Holder

[@mauserinchinaaaronzou88]

Yeah, it's for a bipod/shooting stick. Mostly common found on guns from Tibetan/middle Asia area. Sort of tradition that people used to put such bipod on from ancient matchlock to modern bolt action, which referred to in Chinese as Cha Zi, literally means “Fork”, and the hole called "Cha Zi Dong", Dong means a hole. Some "Cha Zi" are plain, some are well decorated with precious metal.

[@justindunlap1235]

@@mauserinchinaaaronzou88 that's what I thought, thanks for your insight.

[@JeffreyYS]

@@moreparrotsmoredereks2275 bruh

[@kentlindal5422]

@@moreparrotsmoredereks2275 do they have Bubbas in China?

[@kevintang5473]

Rumor says that if modernize it and give it enough love, it will turn into a Gundam

[@zhu_zi4533]

🤣

[@JayS208]

I'd hate to see it done to one in more-or-less good condition but if it was already "sporterized" or in really bad shape I think it would be cool to trick one out this way.

[@earthfederationspaceforce9844]

9:51 serial number That's not a number That's a character 甲乙丙丁 and That's a “乙” So the serial number is: 乙4T4845 （Chinese,number,English,number*4）

[@earthfederationspaceforce9844]

Here is my guess:乙4 is production line T4845 is product number

[@kmcgovern2012]

Ian doesn't refer to that symbol as a number, but an approval stamp.

[@tonyshen8543]

@@kmcgovern2012 then most likely it means this gun is a second grade quality production instead of first grade

[@turboshamu]

@@kmcgovern2012 that symbol is literally a number. lol 乙 means two

[@kmcgovern2012]

@@turboshamu LOL, They use arabic numerals elsewhere, including several "2"s on the site. yet, they used "乙" for just that one numeral....right....there are several chinese characters for the number "2" and that 乙 isn't one of them. 貳 , 贰 and 二 are.

[@mrbeast85]

Quite an elegant looking rifle. Very rough condition though, its had a hard life...

[@Anino_Makata]

It's seen it way through two world wars, had it's share of fighting in a number of revolutions, and might have even seen action in Korea. The fact that this piece even found it's way into Ian's hands is incredible, in and of itself.

[@hwl7502]

At least it not been convert to use 7.62x39 by CCP during the early years of the cold war like many other firearms of that era. You can find a lot of zb-26 using type-56 ak magazines in many old Chinese war movies or even Thompson with PPsh mag.

[@PhantomP63]

At least some did see use in Korea. Mine is a Korea bringback with a Hunan Militia stock carving. The stock is warped, cracked and messily glued back together, and the rifling nearly eroded away. Glad to know about the bipod hole thanks to this comment section!

[@rickdu9489]

@@PhantomP63 Interesting. Would that be 湖南(Hunan)or河南(Henan)?

[@cammobunker]

Oh, no, that's actually a fairly good condition example. Trust me. Back in the 80s these came in by the container load, and many of those I would have literally been hesitant to use to hold up a tomato plant. These saw *extremely* hard service with poorly trained peasant militia for decades, and were usually stored in barns and open warehouses after being replaced with newer style guns, where they sat for more decades before being sold for as little as $1 each to an exporter. You could buy these for $20-30 retail back then, and people would walk right by them. The most common use was making them into wall hangers or floor lamps.

[@contemporiser]

I was always wondering, how did people build stuff in the garage, before someone invented a garage.

[@moisesmontecillo7570]

Mind blown 🤯🤯🤯

[@dh1040]

Chicken or the egg..... Interesting point.

[@Shiruvan]

horse stables, equipment/work shacks? before it becomes a smithy or something

[@borjesvensson8661]

Well the Britts would be ok as they cobble togethers stuff in sheds rather than garages.

[@contemporiser]

@@johndoe-so2ef from a cave to a garage. A small step for a caveman....

[@ErulianADRaghath]

This is a fantastic series of videos! I'm from Wuhan (武汉), where Hanyang(汉阳) is a district. I still remember the local history museum tours mentioning and showing an old bolt action rifle just like this one! I believe this rifle is colloquially known as 汉阳造 (Hanyang Made) during the 2nd Sino-Japanese War and the subsequent Chinese Civil War. You can still see this rifle mentioned and used as props for TV shows and movies here.

[@Mikalu0514]

It can show up in most of war in Chinese contemperary history.

[@jimcappa6815]

Of course they're not Mausers. They're Wausers!

[@ericstromberg9608]

Or BrowningsBrowningsBrownings.

[@sakjdbasd]

W for wumbo

[@AresWasTaken]

The Wario to the Mario

[@thesketchydude1315]

YES! (I've been wanting a vid on the Hanyang for YEARS now, thank you Ian!)

[@Goob_G3]

I've been waiting for a vid on this for so long. Can't wait to get a copy of Arming the Dragon with the Kickstarter!

[@petershen6924]

Lots of Chinese Mauser M24 Chiang Kai Sek rifle got their barrels severely wore out. My theory is that those rifles shot round nose 7.9mm rounds of the Hanyang rifles vice the 7.9mm Mauser spire point rounds as the rifles were designed for due to logistical issues.

[@thegael1996]

I've never seen a M24 Chiang Kai Sek in good condition as they're usually a very well used rifles.

[@demonprinces17]

Lots of use, cheap steel, or both

[@allangibson2408]

@@demonprinces17 Chinese rifles got LOTS of use - 12 years of war against the Japanese for starters.

[@whatsup5914]

@@allangibson2408 also the Civil War they fought pretty much immediately after they ended the war with the Japanese that lasted another 4 years

[@thegael1996]

@@allangibson2408 And even decades after that war. They were a real work horse of a rifle for the Chinese.

[@realvelikiman1987]

I have waited a long time for this

[@kongoubongo1114]

Welcome to the CA club! Hanyang Type 88, it's a pleasure to be of service to you, master.

[@oceanman4403]

Nice reference

[@brendonbewersdorf986]

I am glad to see Ian cover this rifle I have a soft spot for the gewehr 88 it's one of my favorite guns

[@mitchlovesgames7281]

Sweet! I've been waiting for a video on this rifle

[@alohm]

Thank you for sharing the meaning of the left-handed symbol. I gave tours in a Buddhist temple, always questions regarding that symbol.

[@user-njyzcip]

I heard a story when I was little about when Nixon visited China, that symbol was made into some sort of cooking and placed in the soup. When the soup was served, the cookie was flipped, Nixon was obviously shocked when he saw it. However with all Chinese stories of that nature I'm not sure if it actually happened

[@Ni999]

It's also a religious and cultural symbol to many of the Native Americans in the southwestern USA. Very common for visitors to be angry or confused about it until we explained it.

[@Ni999]

@@0neDoomedSpaceMarine Indeed, well said!

[@fairwinds610]

Back in 1975, I bought a rifle like this one at Big Five Sporting Goods in Riverside, CA. The price was $29.95. The rifles were 1888 Commission rifles that had been modified in Turkey by having the barrel-shroud removed and barrel replaced for 7.92JS cartridges. The receivers were modified for stripper-clip use and also marked "Ankara". The original Mauser banner was partly ground away in the receiver mods. It lived for years behind the seat of my 1959 Chevrolet Apache pick-up.

[@TJ_Low]

I wonder if those holes in the handguard are for some sort of bipod.

[@FrogOf4Chan]

It would be really impractical, the weapon is quite well designed for infantry purposes and a bipod wouldn't be all that useful for an infantry rifle, if the weapon was chambered in something with more kick i could see adding a bipod and designating the rifle and its user for marksmanship purposes. But thats assuming it was modified during its military years and not something a hobbyist did for themselves.

[@FrogOf4Chan]

@@DesertCoyotes True Story! Also its japan.. the country that prides itself on being weird

[@CMBlessing81]

I was thinking stacking swivel.

[@nilsmadej9091]

I so happy every time you cover any of the 88 family. Such a beautiful rifle and it's clips are just amazing.

[@andrewmartinez7559]

That’s a hideous rifle. The Springfield 1903 is a beautiful rifle

[@thustra07]

Love the rapid fire delivery in this vid.

[@loupiscanis9449]

Thank you , Ian .

[@orionmelton3226]

I was literally looking for a video of this yesterday.

[@helikos1]

Very interesting video, thank you Mr McCollum.

[@reiisthebestgirl]

My favourite big booba mecha maid.

[@Zmeeed01]

Yes.

[@thenoobplaysit6923]

Looks like I am early today, keep up the good work Ian.

[@TheMrPeteChannel]

The hole may of been used for a peg mount at an arsenal. It's the main reason so many Chinese swords have holes in the handle at the end of the pommel. Peg mounts.

[@shawnr771]

Interesting history. Thanks for the lesson.

[@noelharkov9125]

Did you know you can upgrade your maid into a Gundam? Just kidding, I always wanted to know more about the Type 88 and its service.

[@Zmeeed01]

I see a fellow man of culture here.

[@8088bit]

Witness the power of a seasoned maid

[@GuardianOfTheHeaven]

Truly, a Raifu of long service record, and she went even further than otherwise expected of. And she even actually got further modernization as well!

[@castform57]

From a bayonet to a friggin energy blade. Gundam maid is great.

[@bannedinc.]

The perfect rifle to tear apart columns of KCCO tanks and mechas

[@randallsappington4250]

GREAT video man....I absolutely love mine. My gf speaks Chinese and she translated the cartouches. Really cool.....

[@JohnSmith-fd5un]

Hey, Ian, a bit of topic here, but is there a book that covers the development of rifle/pistol sights? It would be nice, if there is.

[@JohnSmith-fd5un]

Well, that's a simple overview, I wished for a detailed breakdown on different sights, their history, concept and what was the thought put into it. That looks like a good book!

[@JohnDoe-be5zx]

I have a book in my collection called, The American Rifle. (I could be miss remembering the exact title so I'll update later when I get home.) . It isn't entirely on the subject of sights but it does have an extensive list of different varieties and how they came about and their mainstream acceptance. The book was published shortly after the adoption of the M1 Garand so nothing too modern will be covered.

[@rasenganibex5810]

Love from England love your videos

[@commoncriminal923]

England's not a place

[@haraldisdead]

@@commoncriminal923 wtf

[@ivansidorov6464]

I hope UK gov will stop being hoplophobic as fuck some time

[@haraldisdead]

@@ivansidorov6464 "hoplophobic" 🤣🤣🤣

[@rasenganibex5810]

@@commoncriminal923 you are from a different planet and just moved to earth

[@wangl601]

In fact, some Hanyang 88s WERE converted to spitzer, but not common as the Gew.88s with "S" in Germany. This is due to the shift from Hanyang 88s to Type 24 "Chiang Kai-shek" rifles (Gew.98 style copy). Old Hanyang 88s were expected to consume the stockpile of RN cartridges.

[@FamousEccles]

Fascinating video, Gun Jesus 👍

[@Abby_Normal_1969]

Super happy to see this. How interesting. Thanks for the vid. Hope to see more of Chinese firearms.

[@sofa_king_kool]

Yes! The perfect length video for a 15 minute break from cutting stones.

[@jimd8008]

Thank you again

[@thiccfork8664]

Does this mean that we will see a video on the Chiang Kai Shek rifle soon :D

[@gsmiro]

I got one of these Type 88/Type Hanyang for very cheap years ago, but sold them. Now cannot find them on the market at all now!

[@khalidgagnon8753]

I got one ..... Needs the bolt replaced though.... It blew up.... Was welded back together.... And then broke again

[@eerikkorhonen9272]

Is there a CZ 75 pistol video coming out any time soon? I didn't see one on your channel. Anyways keep up the good work

[@aktexas1973]

Got to love these old rifles.

[@deepatlantic2222]

Thanks to you and all the anti-china attacks in the media, I've started reading about China's last 200 years. It is full of excitement and drama. Thanks for the quality videos and for casting light on wars I didn't even know existed until this month.

[@shatterquartz]

If you're interested in modern Chinese history and wonder how it might have gone differently, With Iron and Fire imagines an alternate China where the republic is stillborn and a neo-imperial regime is reinstated in 1912. www.amazon.com/Iron-Fire-David-Wostyn/dp/1986432955/ref=sr_1_6?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1524162400&sr=1-6&keywords=with+iron+and+fire

[@kirbyculp3449]

The tyranny of the CCP should be understood by that history. From what I have read of chinese philosophy, tyranny imposing predictable order is preferable to chaotic freedom.

[@deepatlantic2222]

@@kirbyculp3449 learning about the times when China isn't orderly makes that very understandable.

[@katapinesxc6477]

China and the cccp are two different things, china has a rich history, the cccp is the result of european communism infecting chinese philosophy.

[@juamu1132]

@@kirbyculp3449 try living during the warlord period and tell me which is preferable.

[@Klentung8989]

KMT IS SO PROUD OF YOU

[@GCho733]

I’ve been waiting a long time for you to make a video on this. As well as the Chinese Jingal wall guns.

[@BrutalTurtle]

nice vid, thx

[@Hellston20a]

This is not just the "Warlords rifle", but the iconic Chinese national rifle for the first half of the 20th century, used by not only warlords but the Chinese Red Army during the Long March, the unified Kuomintang in the Sino-Japanese war then the Chinese civil war, fighting the newborn PLA that also used the Hanyang 88 as well, then finally the PVA fighting in Korea.

[@zongzewu1864]

Hello, Ian, thank you for your video.As a Chinese, the Hanyang rifle may be the most famous rifle in China, I think everybody knows it.

[@wes11bravo]

Zongze - are there any firearms museums in China that exhibit domestically produced weapons?

[@sanlee6328]

Actually the first letter of the serial number is 乙of 甲乙丙丁戊己庚辛壬癸, a numerical system of China used for year or contract. So it means second batch, not an inspection mark.

[@CoalPoggers]

Here comes the *second book*

[@jorgechalub8930]

Muy bueno tu vídeo y explicación saludos desde Argentina

[@johnvanlindingham9490]

The first rifle I bought played 45$ with bayonet and1000 rounds military amo,it had been sporterized

[@Dorngrunder]

Hey Ian, love the channel and have been watching for years. I have been thinking about this for a long time, you show us all these amazing weapons though out history but What about ear protection during the wars. I can't recall that I have ever seen a ww1, ww2 or vietnam movie for exemple where soldiers are wearing ear plugs or such. And who is better to ask about this than you 😄. As a hunter I know that you dont want to shoot a high caliber rifle without ear protection. Cheers from Sweden.

[@f.g.5967]

Reading Arming the Dragon reedition while watching this feels like *augmented learning*

[@svchwsvchw]

The first character in the serial number is 乙. Seems more like a series number similar to the Japanese Type38/99 serial number starting with Kanji letters. There are ten of such Chinese characters, 甲乙丙丁戊己庚辛壬癸. They were put into usage in the Shang Dynasty (~3000 years ago) for recording years, and are still used in modern China, mainly as ordinal numbers, I.e. 甲 usually means first, 乙 means second, so on and so forth.

[@thelieutenant7732]

Maybe the hole was drilled to mount some sort of makeshift bipod?

[@_wanted_outlaw3007]

Like the Scout bipods in bf1? The weird ones you hold with your palm?

[@mrsurplusbangbang1857]

I have a very early Hanyang 88 with the old style rear sight .it is number ,A 058 pretty sure re stamped on German parts.

[@travishabursky4362]

I added this book to my order out of principle.

[@handersonsos3487]

Please see this comment Ian as I might know what that hole at the front is for. Could it be possible for an installment of the Japanese type 99 monopod?

[@mrmosk2011]

The first character in the serial number means second or two. It is one of ten characters used in Yin Yang and Chinese calendar. Other use of this sequence is in organic chemistry compound naming, e.g. ethanol is 乙醇.

[@RD-ht6go]

I'm from Wuhan and this rifle is one of the most important things of the city's modern history. Thanks for doing this episode.

[@gagida1829]

@@johndoe-so2ef lol

[@puremaddeathyesiam4204]

Which one kill more people the rifle or the virus ?

[@YourLordMobius]

@@puremaddeathyesiam4204 That's a genuinely good question.

[@RD-ht6go]

@@johndoe-so2ef Yes.

[@randywatson8347]

Cool story behind this rifle.

[@mohammedimran3670]

Was the metal that was used to make this rifle locally manufactured or did they import a metal for the pressure bearing parts like the bolt and the barrel?

[@markfergerson2145]

Up next in Scholagladiatoria- swords of the Chinese warlords?

[@codyshi4743]

This weapon shouldn’t be forgotten. This weapon was commonly use by most Chinese army from the fall of China’s last dynasty all the way to the Korean War.

[@panoskef4116]

I've never shot a weapon in my life (except video games), but this channel makes weapon history so interesting I know many things I don't actually need.

[@edwalmsley1401]

Totally wild guess but the hole through the fore end could have been to fit an arquibuse (definitely butchered that) style yoke/pin shooting stick or possibly even wall mount

[@Gordonseries385]

Cool!

[@RedXlV]

Can we see a "Hanyang 88 to QBZ-95" book in the future?

[@klan792]

The hole may be for a narrow bipod. You can find pictures of Tibetans and Mongolians with such bipods, both on old matchlocks and on Mausers and Mosins.

[@Gregiorp]

I bought 4 of these when Century had a ton. They were ROUGH. Still got one that was all matching.

[@leonguyen896]

The first character is not a proof mark, but actually "2."

[@GreenBlueWalkthrough]

"We stand together!"

[@NomadShadow1]

Cool

[@matthewct8167]

It’s very interesting for me since I’m born in Hanyang.

[@zawzawaung6789]

Very useful. In N Burma, especially in Kokang area I could see a lot of old Chinese junk. Never understood the history of the guns I saw. C-96s common. Only vestigial British guns usually Martini-Henrys.

[@ragingjaguarknight86]

Chiang Kai-Shek/ Generalissimo rifle for next video please!!! And some of these were used in the Korean War by Chinese infantrymen. o_O

[@TimThompson19791979]

I wonder if those clips could be made to work in the 8mm m38 variants.

[@dbmail545]

Nope. The Mosin magazine and Mannlicher clips are not compatible.

[@TimThompson19791979]

@@dbmail545 perhaps I have the designation wrong. I'm talking about the carcano rifles that were chambered in 8mm mauser.

[@TimThompson19791979]

The m38 rather.

[@masahige2344]

As a specialist in this area, I'm delighted to see these arms getting proper exposure to modern western audiences!

[@juiceFORfunNOTyet]

Спасибо за видео, коммент в благодарность

[@simonjones6128]

Nice ian mccollem