The MASSIVE Problem with Overwatch 2 and How to Fix it

[@idk9637]

Overwatch devs never know what to do. Couldnt stop goats so they made the game 2 2 2.. couldnt stop double shield so they made the game have 5v5. Theyre so dumb. Instead of just going "hey guys we are gonna remove this character for a season until we figure out how to balance them" they do these extreme permanently game changing changes.

[@DjNaste]

They didn't implement 2-2-2 because of GOATs. It's well documented that they were already working on that system behind the scenes well before GOATs became a thing. It just took them way too long to roll out the new system.

[@bambampewpew32]

@NoMoMozzarella for real, and we literally had dps that were good at shredding shields anyways

[@roarbertbearatheon8565]

They made it 5v5 because of queue times. So DPS and supps could get in games faster needing to find only 1 tank per game

[@S3nCh4n]

@@roarbertbearatheon8565 and then half the tanks quit the game because their mains are off-tanks and they dislike the main tank playstyle

[@xythiera7255]

​@NoMoMozzarella Or not make Orisa in the first place or Sigma to counter Orisa

[@huckmart2017]

Zen was a really well designed hero back when he was a glass cannon. But ow2 ruined it by giving him the strongest boop in the game with no cool down and extra hp for no reason.

[@austinmcmahan6267]

thoughts about the nerfs?

[@S3nCh4n]

He used to have something like 175hp in OW1, but it was fine because of his insane damage output and a second tank to peel for him. Now they had to compensate for the lack of peels by giving him extra HP and a boop to help with his survivability

[@S3nCh4n]

which further encourages solo play instead of teamwork, like I said from day 1 5v5 feels like team deathmatch

[@GoibniuNihiliste]

​@@austinmcmahan6267 Laughable nerfs. They arent nerfs. But dostractions.

[@tloyp2584]

275 hp "glass" cannon with a 60 damage 1 second cooldown boop. devs are smoking crack

[@fettbub92]

Blizzard never focused on balancing heroes, they always focused on changing the format to "fix" things. They dont understand blanace from a gameplay perspective, only from a playrate/winrate perspective. They will never change Brig because of that, same with many other strong heroes who arebt played well in metal ranks, but dominate gm and pro.

[@CyberChoom]

I totally agree Phillip. You really made unbelievably good points Mr. Graham. This video was a bloody good way to start my day. I watched it as I ate my tea and crumpets and black pudding. Bloody wonderful video.

[@DuvallBB]

Crumpets and black pudding together is torturous

[@Mattyboyzie]

Ww2 German spies be like:

[@ZombieaidZ]

Black pudding? Dear god

[@DuvallBB]

@@ZombieaidZ the American mind could never comprehend

[@firingallcylinders2949]

I love how they took the glass part out of Zen and just made him a cannon. If the enemy team has a decent Zen you can basically cross Mauga, Hog, and Rein off the list of playable tanks that game.

[@elpapisaint]

Mauga underrated rn

[@firingallcylinders2949]

@@elpapisaint uhhh no, Mauga is an ultimate feeder for Zen

[@GoibniuNihiliste]

Remove snapkick knockback and put him back to 175 hp. Discord must be 15% and decay down to 0% over 10 seconds. Charged volley should slow him down while charging too. 🎉 instant fix.

[@firingallcylinders2949]

@@GoibniuNihiliste just like sleep for tanks, they should give a discord lowering for tanks for sure

[@avilude]

9:33 When I first picked up Doom in OW2 I thought he was literally unplayable because I never realized the value of hand cannon. The fact that he relies on hand cannon aim so much now is kinda sad.

[@bambampewpew32]

yeahhh man I wanna play dps doom so badly

[@crongo4284]

hand cannon is super strong if you hit ur shots tho

[@avilude]

@@crongo4284 That's the point, it shouldn't be how Doom gets value.

[@crongo4284]

@@avilude well for ow1 yeah, different game now you have to hit ur shots with doom. i honestly dont hate this change, I just wish theyd fix his bugs and add like 10 dmg to his slam

[@tloyp2584]

you can tell he was reworked by someone who never played him in ow1

[@berzerkmk]

What happened to the Halo franchise happened to overwatch. In attempt to appeal to a larger audience they changed the identity of the game. It went from a 6v6 team objective ability based fps to team death match call of duty style aim based game with roles and an objectives tossed in the mix. Even though it was a niche genre to begin with it won game of the year, how do you not realize that the niche genre itself is what made it great and until then it had never been brought to the masses in that format.

[@bambampewpew32]

thank you dude 🙏somebody needs to show this to the devs lmao

[@jaded-harper]

game companies failing to understand what actually makes their games fun and good seems to never change lol. gaming became so doomed the moment it blew up and people realized the profits that could be made. majority of AAA games are horseshit. once good games have been balanced/designed backwards in an attempt to appeal to lil ol timmy on console. good games do still come out ofc but they are often done by smaller studios or companies that aren't from the west from what I've noticed. :/ p much the only multiplayer game I will continue to play throughout the years is dota. valve has devs that actually understand the game at a fundamental level and are able to make changes that reflect that.

[@berzerkmk]

@@jaded-harper anybody who is invested in the game I guarantee understands this. Its just truly a tragedy what happened to overwatch a true tragedy. The key from the beginning moving forward was always hero design and they blew it chasing after nothing really. When you design champions to counter a play style it's a disaster. When you create new play styles with your champions, then you have a game. It was never about countering, always about creating and in a game designed around these champions why aren't the majority of resources invested in hero and map design and consistently releasing that type of content. Who is going to have time to sit and develop some bogus comp like goats when, in the timeline that we've had, there should be dozens of new characters and new maps in the game with an incromprehensible amount of potential collaborations that could be effective. They failed miserably at recognizing this, yet some random guy knew this since season 1 of overwatch 1

[@purplegoop1247]

as a rule i think supports should not have crit damage and big burst damage, i agree moira is well designed much because of this

[@yungventura5877]

that woud simplify the game so much itd be boring

[@treasuredquartz]

​@@yungventura5877Pretty sure the Support role is already simplified/boring when they are releasing DPS kits that heal. Forcing the Support role into a niche category where it's providing something unique that you cannot get from the other two roles, wouldn't simplify the game more than it already is.

[@yungventura5877]

ur saying healbots are less boring than dynamic supports...@@treasuredquartz

[@BehindYou1231]

Worst take I've ever read

[@treasuredquartz]

@@yungventura5877 What? Healing isn't unique to the support role. I'm talking about utility like speed boost, damage boost, etc.

[@avilude]

11:03 I've nver played that mode but this reminds me of how dominant Kiriko is in Deathmatch despite the fact she can't even swift step.

[@davidnewhart2533]

The only characters that can consistently beat a Kiriko in a 1v1 are tanks.

[@davidnewhart2533]

Controversial hot take: I actually think Overwatch at some point needs to stop having new characters at some point. I think the roster is starting to get too big.

[@Zhohan-]

It’s too hard to balance properly

[@lrmcatspaw1]

When blizzard made Sarcraft 1, the game was omega imbalanced. But at the time, "patches" and balance was not something people talked or cared about. If you didn't like it, you didn't play it. Over 2 decades later, the game is loved by its community, because the players adapted to the imbalances and found ways to work around them. In overwatch 1, a lot of things were also imbalanced but people loved the game and found ways to do creative things to overcome imbalances. Are we beginning to see a pattern here? Blizzard is now a mobile game company that pretends they make good games. this affects all of their games, including overwatch 0.9. Sad to see, but I have more fun playing older games than ow2, so gl everyone.

[@oogajiggawooga]

I don't know why they shouldn't consider reverting Orisa back to her shield and pull, it's not like double shield is a problem any more

[@roarbertbearatheon8565]

One of the devs mains new orisa that will never happen

[@Savevade]

Wait really? Is that true

[@SHUTENSEPC]

In Paladins tanks and supports can't do damage. Feels great to ply dps, but feels so awful when you're a tank and youre hitting every shot and your dps is just dying to the enemy dps and you lose. So maybe OW balance isn't really so bad then?

[@negentropyagent7337]

You're missing the point. If your dps died it is because you guys failed as a team. Overwatch and Paladins are design around team gameplay coordination. There is freaking roles for a reason!

[@jaded-harper]

in old system with 2 tanks u could better peel for ur dps. in current ow2 u go out of position as tank to help ur dps that is also out of position u die instantly and the fights over

[@jebril]

I believe the guy who said he got gold damage as Lucio often @5:30, but that was a different game then and it wasn’t because of skill shots in the aim sense but because of booping tanks off the map like a full health Roadhog boop gave you 600 damage towards just the Lucio player, even my wife would sometimes get gold damage in QP mode with Lucio lol. It was a thing but like the guy in the video is saying not because of aiming but movement really.

[@rage_tv4493]

yes. but i also feel like the problem could also be role queue. i played open queue last night and we had a bunch of games with different strats and it was actually incredibly fun. wacky comps instead of boring garbage every single game. also rein is actually playable in open queue with double tank. but it doesn’t feel too oppressive bcz DPS has this new passive to keep supports in check. you can go 3 DPS with moira or bap and 1 tank. i think the game is more balanced at its core if it was balanced around open queue.

[@paulmansi797]

mhmmm i might try, if there is enough of a player base for open que on console lol

[@rage_tv4493]

@@paulmansi797 yea there is

[@ViolenceisJustice]

The problem with open queue is simply that blizzard lacks and has always lacked the knowledge and experience required to balance it properly. Which is why role queue was implemented as the competitive standard.

[@rage_tv4493]

@@ViolenceisJustice true but i still stand on that open queue is infinitely more fun than role queue. role queue just feels like the same game over and over again. open queue you can play back to back and not get stale bcz it’s different each game.

[@Savevade]

I mean I played one open queue game and they went the most braindead meta comp to win and cause it requires no skill they did win

[@xXLJoseph]

Tbh i disagree with some takes about the support role. First off all i think the release-supports (Lucio, Mercy, Zen) and Ana are totally fine because their fundamental design makes sense. These heros do have a niche with strengths and weaknesses which makes them unique. The main problems with the DLC-supports post Ana is that there is no real risk-to-reward, no real counterplay and the effort for the value you get isnt that high anymore. -Moira can fade out if she is out of position and has massive AOE-healing, the damage orb does chip dmg and can help building your coal. -Current Brig still has Inspire which isnt visible for the average player, luckily she doesnt have the stun anymore but her health packs do have burst heal now, can stack with inspire and the ability isnt a real projectile (f.e. it cannot be blocked by barriers or eaten by DVAs DM) -Baptiste has 3 health-pools, you cannot counter his lamp because you are FORCED to shoot the drone first and then kill the player (lamp denys your value not matter what you do), his regen-burst now burst heals in the 5v5-format instead of just heal over time -Kiriko has 2 immo abilities, her suzu (which also denys your value) and her TP (which goes through walls and cleanses her) + wall climb + a small hitbox -LW has another immo ability on a cd which denys your value by just pressing 1 button, he cannot miss his heals and he has 225HP (now 275). I like pedal platform tho because its a cool idea for a support to enable your immobile mate to reach highground f.e. -illari is mostly fine but her only issue imo is her pylon because it has infinite uptime and does the job for you. Her beam is single target and thats way better than massive AOE-Heal (i think they should increase the beam range but lower the HP/s tho) I personally dont have an issue with support heros doing high damage but there should be more risk and trade offs for doing high damage. Zen is the best example for a high dmg support imo. The idea of a high damage support with an ability to focus somebody out while having no escape tool (besides your ultimate) and low healing is genius. I do have to admit tho that Zen in the 5v5-format has lost his OG identity as a glass canon because of the snap kick and Discord orb on a solo-tank is too strong but i feel like its a problem thats caused by the 5v5-format and not by the character itself. I think they should remove his snap kick entirely, remove the indirect cooldown to make the character feel fluid/smooth again but reduce the amplification on tanks specifically from 25% to 15% or something. With these changes the character will be more like a glass canon again and still viable. And in general they should remove all role passives imo because i do think 6v6 is better for the game but if Blizzard is unwilling to do it atm, then at least remove all role-passives because they are making balancing even harder for no reason. Some heros will benefit from the passives more than others and the passives cause more issues than they solve (new DPS-passive is a good example) What are your thoughts?

[@beans9872]

Bad take.

[@naejimba]

@@beans9872 , what did he say that was incorrect? The original supports were much better because they had strengths and weaknesses. The new supports post Ana have no risk vs reward or counter play. Everything he said about each of these supports is true. I'm a Zen main and snap kick is ridiculous; the main way to punish Zen was with positioning. Discord is objectively terrible to play against as a tank in the new format, where it wasn't really an issue in 6v6. it is also true that some heroes benefit more from the passives than others, which of course would make it more difficult to balance. Name a single thing he said that wasn't 100% accurate.

[@beans9872]

@@naejimba look at tf2 and its use of its single healer. They are games with practically the same formula, but tf2 is much more successful, why is that? Why does tf2 still have a balanced comp community and Overwatch doesn’t? The medic has low healing with the medigun, and has a slow firing crossbow that doesn’t deal damage either and an Uber that charges over 90ish seconds that supports teammates and doesn’t solo carry. The reason Overwatch’s healing situation fucking sucks is because there are too many healers and the healers do too much outside of their respective roles. When you have two healers, they are bound to just heal each other into oblivion, making them unkillable. A healer is the heart of the team, when you get to them, you should be able to cut off the healing of the team, the team should have to guard the healers with everything they have not the healers guarding themselves and winning every 1v1. Overwatch is currently set up so that dps and tanks really need to give a fuck about their healers, the healers just take care of everything themselves. Healers should just focus on evading conflict, and not winning duels.

[@naejimba]

@@beans9872 , so you can't name a single thing he said that wasn't 100% accurate? We can talk about all those other things if you'd like, but it is a red herring.

[@gritticus]

@@beans9872Tell me you’ve never played TF2 or 6’s without telling me you’ve never played TF2 or 6’s. Medics crossbow has high healing, but also possesses notable damage, especially at range. It can scale from 40 damage into 70-80 damage depending on range, and the healing also scales depending on range. The medi guns healing isn’t weak, that’s a retarded take. It’s a strong stabilization tool and has moderately good healing. Also… Uber can’t solo carry? In TF2, Uber is the ONLY ultimate ability, meaning that fights in TF2 are WON around whether your medic has Uber or doesn’t. Uber tracking is crucial in 6’s for engagements and duels, and in highlander it gives the team strong leverage. Despite this, Medic is infinitely better designed, better to play and fairer to play against than Mercy. Why? No get out of jail free cards besides Uber, A lot of risks for your rewards, the source movement system and skill expression.

[@vape42069]

my reaction to chipsa take on how to fix ow2 -> /voice(plankton-tts-v2-) lol /effect(fartLong) /voice(plankton-tts-v2-) lol /effect(fartLong) /voice(plankton-tts-v2-) lol /effect(fartLong) /voice(plankton-tts-v2-) lol /effect(fartLong) /voice(plankton-tts-v2-) lol /effect(fartLong) /voice(plankton-tts-v2-) lol /effect(fartLong)

[@kevinssoloobeasley3365]

/voice(goku-tts) sorry guys... this is it. this stream is... completely dead. the finals... season 9 patch... project loki 3 player closed alpha... rocketfist is unplayable... i can't. sorry guys... no more streams... /voice(duke-nukem-reads-your-message-tts-) imagine waking up everyday at 3 pm to stream for 2 hours and make 300 USD a month while 200 of which come from text to speech derangement. lol. AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL

[@ikhalid1418]

blizzard is like a doctor that barely tries the bare minimum, then moves to amputation once its too late.

[@negentropyagent7337]

That's the funny part. It wasn't even too late and they still decided to amputate

[@VONOVON26]

first part of the vid made sense until he wants everything that stomps df be removed from the game. so the best supports for this guy are the ones that compliments df.

[@FinSliparen]

lol

[@Strife1425]

Thankfully i uninstalled in season 8, helldivers 2 has been a ton of fun and tekken 8 is awesome, and ff7 rebirth tomorrow lol This game feels like flavor of the month with every balance patch and its not my cup of tea

[@Thicc_Gaming]

These are great points!! They turned everyone to DPS. the functionality of roles are passive!! I dont want call of duty or battle field i want plays, game Knowledge, and positioning to win games.

[@evanlindabury2156]

chipsa should made a custom game mode with all his changes to actually see it in action

[@Milesrgomez]

I am not much of a dps player, so I tend to play support but being able to find moments to go "dps mode" makes the role more fun. I don't enjoy Mercy and LW that much as they just feel like I am spectating rather than playing. Especially with the dps passive, I like having the option to well... hit my shots and get rewarded. I am not a hard carry dps player, but having a few support heroes that have the potential if I play well to make big plays is fun.

[@belatarr26]

I thought role queue was the manslaughter of the game until they cold blood murdered ow with 5v5

[@bambampewpew32]

same lmao at least we had dps doom and 6 players per team back then (more players = more fun imo)

[@Farmerwithnofarm]

Love these videos! More of these!

[@robertozambrano-mn7nk]

The way they treat support is so unfair. They don't want support to become a healing role....BUT THATS THEIR ROLE! Every other role MUST perform as its role. Tanks can't 1v5, they have to be tanks. DPS can't make space, they have to DPS. Oh, but criticize support and all hell breaks loose. You guys are healers! Heal!

[@nicoleibundgut534]

Ahhh Chipsa exists. I totally forgot about you. I learned from your OW1 Doomfist alot and got gud.

[@BananaPenguin420]

the discord orb is definitely broken they should make it harder to put on people cause I just bind it to scroll wheel then spam scroll so it puts the orb on them literally the first frame they come into line of sight

[@nukemoggs5624]

On a real though, why not introduce a siege like ban system? Each team gets their choice of ban on each role. (Experimentation would be necessary of course) it would fix every problem child that defines the current meta and give the devs an idea of who makes the game very unfun to play around

[@waduhek3988]

if you were to save overwatch here’s what i’d do: 1.) remove every hero added since sigma besides sojourn and rework junker queen. 2. make sombra her old self but heavy nerf her 3. make doom and junker a dps 4. rework zen to become more healing oriented 5.) 6v6 again 6.) rework hitscans a bit to make them less mobile and not as polarizing

[@Milesrgomez]

JQ is fine. When they tuned down shout and eventually buffed ehr enough she has been in a solid spot. Like she is very strong but nobody is like "eww Queen meta sucks"

[@paulmansi797]

your takes have always been based af for this game you get it, unfortunately i think the game is a lost cause they had to keep adding heros even if they were bad for the game and they had to make support feel like dps so ques will fill up i get it, but the game is donzo.

[@kingvalor8265]

Maybe I’m high asf right now but what if they made discord into zens ultimate ability instead of healing, he applies discord to those around him and then changed the discord ability in his kit?

[@letthewindsblow3067]

I'm so glad I dropped this game once they announced they were dropping the PvE cause ever sense then the games been a rapid downward spiral, and as someone who adored overwatch 1 it saddens me to say this...

[@hadix7x]

Chipsa if I come to the UK would you give me a tour of the place

[@rabbitopotato1904]

"Every single support they've added has basically been a DPS" Lifeweaver: exists to healbot I can't watch more than 30 seconds of this lol what

[@crongo4284]

yes the one support

[@toolfe6115]

Never thought i would fully agree with Chipsa… Edit : actually i didnt at the end with the removing champs.

[@Splashbang_OW]

The problem with the devs is that they listen to feedback from only a tiny portion of the player base, typically the ones who kiss their asses 24/7, and that in turn hurt the game, that combined with the devs just having absolutely zero clue. We saw it in OW1 as well when they didn't know how to balance around the double sniper and bunker comp. They just keep adding to the power creep instead of doing a deep dive into each individual hero in all roles. With OW2, the majority of heroes are still tuned for 6v6, yet they also still keep adding to the power creep, which means a larger portion of the heroes will be rendered useless, like Rein with the current patch for example, where they added 25 armor and 20 more damage to his FS.. Come on.. That doesn't amount to shit in the current patch. Instead, they buffed heroes that had already been buffed, because power creep! I'm starting to think these devs might share one single brain cell at this point..

[@nathanabraham8762]

This with bap complaints isn’t realizing how much he has been nerfed the real issue now is kirko

[@Ballcheckbob]

People say this season is great but you see the same 5 hero’s every single game 😂

[@CrackyCreates]

blizzard needs to do the COD strat of a new game every 2 years

[@George-idk]

I wish when they add a new hero its only available for experiment mode they got it for a reassion

[@addanashraf]

This season really isn't that bad it's alot better than season 8

[@Chazza-01]

You say that, but tbh I had more fun during season 8 than I do now. I want to complete the battle pass but why play OW when I can play anything else?

[@robertozambrano-mn7nk]

Make doomfist a DPS again

[@lawrence9713]

why remove all these heroes? then you have trash double shield again. just get back to 6v6 with the current hero pool. just freaking do it. it will be instantly better. you wont have goats cause of role q, you wont have double shield cause of orisa rework, ram just punching through it, queen just slashing through it, mauga melting shield and giving the whole team heal. all these "ow2" heroes we got by now were designed for 6v6 and you can clearly tell by just turning on ones brain

[@hightierplayers2454]

So its the same problem as every game since like 2010 at least that has any sort of "competitive scene". They make everyone able to do everything so there's no actual differences between classes or heroes for that matter. Its boring when nothing is unique. MOBAs did this (especially DOTA), Starcraft 2 did this over Brood War, and shooters do this in the name of "fairness and balance".

[@bambampewpew32]

ikr it's so annoying bruh and so boring like the sombra rework, while sorta fun to play, I feel bad for sombra mains cause it kinda went even more generic "do damage" character, which is literally the stupidest thing ever imo, takes away sombra's niche (ow1->ow2 rework also did that sorta)

[@crongo4284]

​@@bambampewpew32while sombra needed change, ur points valid. Look at hanzo lol

[@bambampewpew32]

@@crongo4284 lmao yeah and junkrat, at least hanzo is sorta playable, but they just made him into a spam bot even more

[@jrodd13]

Rein's Firestrike should be reworked to function more like Ashes Dynamite to allow him to have "more uptime" on his damage vs shielding. Give it a slow too to allow him to close the gap or potentially reposition. A cooldown designed to damage and grant range to a shortranged hero shouldn't do less than or the same as his fucking close range primary. 💀 Also Nerf Discord orb down to 15% but let him have a double charge system similar to how they changed Zarya’s Bubbles. Then he could focus on healing and sustain OR offense while not shitting on the tank specifically. Because he singlehandedly makes Rein, Mauga Hog, (etc.) borderline unplayable. Damage passive should be kept, support players need to shut the fuck up just because DPS can actually threaten them with heroes other than Sojourn, Widow, or Tracer for once. All the DPS passive needs is an indicator and its perfect.

[@shawngorski9714]

It's not aim, its hitscan and zens only problem is discord making his shots hit like trucks but if you give a character hitscan than they cant have as fleshed out kits, and supports and tanks need the room that having projectiles or close range weps gives them in their kits because no one wants a player who's value comes from their primary in in the supports or tank, because that's a dps thing and this could apply to zen since zen needs his projectiles to be op since he only has discord, so zens a weird case where he has very few moving parts in his kit which force all the value to be in those two things so but if I ever made a hero shooter game, my number 1 rule would be to have no hitscans have movement on par with any projectile heros so no sojourns zipping around hitting rails across the map and no supports landing headshots across the map with a dash that boops like illari since illari is now gonna be a problem and there would especially be no hitscans with infinite movement with an immortality 😂 but this also has been a problem in paladins where they had andro who has always been problematic because hes like a dashing mcree, they even had rework his best talent from 3 individual dashes into a timer that allows you to dash 3 times inna certain duration so it limited his movement so much that he just didnt feel good to play, and than they added vii who can go from 1 side of the map to the other inna few seconds and have all his movement off cool down before he hits the ground and he ofc has hitscan, like hes just vora with hitscan so he was problematic for months and I think this is a fundamental rule they should follow where hitscan cannot have crazy movement and if a hero has crazy movement than they need projectiles like echo or genji, or close range dmg like tracer, and since we dont want supports feeling like ashe with a heal station slapped on them, this would extend to support. So bascially immortalities and being forced to have all your value come from your primary which only ever happens with hitscan for the most part since you cant really nerf hirscan the same way as projectile since they dont have travel time and with these two philosophies i think they could easily make banger support after banger support, and than its just small issues like not giving weaver enough difference in his kit, bascially his only problem is everything in his kit does the same thing and they even admit this as his problem, honestly they just need better support philosophy all around, they need to stop taking paladins gameplay fuctions and start stealing their support designs 😂 but they scrapped space rangers smg which i hope thats because after the nightmare that was sojourn they finally realised high mobility and hitscan dont match and will finally make another amazing support design.

[@ReallyMaulin]

Thank you 🙏

[@thecowman6807]

Easy to say as a dps player (yes I know doomfist is tank now). What you want makes the game boring for everyone but dps.

[@HomeDepotDade]

Bro Zen , Mercy, Bap , Widow , Zarya are the only characters that need to be removed

[@rage_tv4493]

LW has a cool design i disagree with the LW haters. he has cool interactions

[@chrislyon2619]

LW is miserable to play against when he’s meta but healbot/useless when he’s not meta

[@ezclappoggers]

Ow3 will be 4v4 remove support and have 2 tank 2 dps, seems logical

[@ragnarlothbrok1067]

"continues to play it"

[@pilloh4107]

Overwatch would benefit from a large scale casual format.

[@Apsilon778]

😔 Bring back LFG.....made the grind mean something.

[@yoyocherio]

What’s lfg

[@idk9637]

​@@yoyocheriolooking for group. It was an ow1 system where u could search for players to play with. They removed it in ow2

[@plawerian]

​@@yoyocheriolooking for group

[@RyuNoZero]

OW3 will be 4v4 and OW4 will be 3v3

[@Oliver.Pfahl.]

Bro made one good video now drops shit like support is still a broken role, but Moira is fine though. What in the actual heck?

[@I_Dont_Believe_In_Salad]

The game is slowly but surely will become CoD since most heroes in te game aren't that Original anymore unlike back when Overwatch first released

[@skyler7017]

Lmao the trash sombra solo emps chipsa and shoots his dead body as if they actually did something, you can tell they are tilted out of their minds lmao

[@rodo2220]

rework bap to dps and rework torb or sym to support

[@supern0is349]

"everything feels the same, the game is homogenous" and yet when everything feels unique it will be impossible to balance, too many variables. This is the type of feedback devs will ignore completely, and rightfully so, you're talking non sense.

[@tloyp2584]

what you said doesn't even make sense. regardless of how similar heroes are, there is almost 40 heroes that need to be balanced independently of each other. if anything, making heroes similar/have the same niche makes them harder to balance because one will always be a better version of the other.

[@supern0is349]

​@584 " if anything, making heroes similar/have the same niche makes them harder to balance because one will always be a better version of the other." precisely the OPPOSITE- when heroes are similar, you can find similar patterns for multiple heroes simultaneously which means its EASIER to balance. "one will always be a better version of the other." then you are not BALANCING THE GAME are you? genius No wonder you dont understand what i said, you have no idea AT ALL what balancing is. "there is almost 40 heroes that need to be balanced independently of each other." first - the balance IS NOT independently because multiple heroes work simultaneously on a match. second fighting games have this EXACT same problem and they manage to do it. No perfectly of course , no balance will ever be perfect but it is doable tekken 7 had 50 heroes, each one of them with more than 100 movements. Mk11 had 37, SF5 45 (im not using Tekken 8, Mk1 and SF6 because these games are band new, less than 1 year old so of course they are not balanced). Keep talking about how hard it is to balance 40 heroes in overwatch please, im dying to hear your baby cries. again you have NO IDEA what you're talking about.

[@nukemoggs5624]

Remove sombra, ana, orisa boom game is fun again lmao

[@pizzazzsnudge7800]

It’s not hard to flank in OW2… why should one support always die to one dps that makes no sense at all. No one would ever play the role. It’s not like it was difficult for a Tracer, Genji, Reaper, Sombra to get in the back line to target you.

[@ckly]

Then, based on your opinion, Blizzard should try experimenting with nerfing some support heroes’ dmg when they have 3 or more of their team alive. Or their damage abilities on higher cooldowns.

[@GoibniuNihiliste]

Remove snapkick knockback and put him back to 175 hp. Discord must be 15% and decay down to 0% over 10 seconds.

[@ZarelidT]

I know you don’t read these but you’re completely wrong. Devs base this game on what people want. In OW1 NO ONE WANTED TO PLAY AS TANK! So they removed a whole role because the PLAYERS didn’t want to play tanks! Que times in ALL RANKS has always been long ago n DPS people WANT to play DPS. Not acknowledging what people’s actions are even if they cry online is grounds for you don’t know what you’re talking about. You may have an idea for what YOU want or what YOU think is good for the game. But people want other things

[@roarbertbearatheon8565]

Only at the end of ow1's life were tank queues crazy long. People did want to play dps more in ow1, but look at what's happened to supp queue times. They're longer than the DPS queue times at nearly all ranks. Did people suddenly get altruistic and want to support their teammates more? Hardly, they just want to be powerful and to play new heroes. You're only looking at symptoms and not causes and if you balance a game around appearances, you'll end up with what we've got now

[@ZarelidT]

@@roarbertbearatheon8565 they are not longer this is fake news. I’ve been between gold and masters. And supp only longer for a short time ofOW entire life. This is NOT true. No 99% of most ranks dps is the highest picked roll. The fact people say this is straight up a lie.

[@tloyp2584]

if no one wants to play tank, then the solution is to make better designed/more tanks. not to remove a tank. no one wants to play heroes like sig/orisa that sit behind shields and hold left click all day. make more engaging heroes like ball or queen. 5v5 is such a lazy solution to such a simple problem and the devs have a pattern of fundamentally changing the game instead of just fixing a character (brig and role queue).

[@ZarelidT]

@@tloyp2584 I completely agree make a better designed hero.

[@roarbertbearatheon8565]

@@ZarelidT After last patch they're pretty much the same because DPS got stronger, next season when they get a new hero it will be even longer. If they buff supp and add a new supp hero, supp queues will be longer. See a pattern?

[@kbjdesign]

ban zoazo

[@xxx_rotfd_xiii_xii3619]

this guy is washed