Should you max Joan Prime? [better than it looks] Rise of Kingdoms

[@Chisgule]

DO YOU HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ABOUT JOAN PRIME? Leave a comment! discord.gg/chisgule

[@Crain-ce2sw]

Can I start using Joan at 5111 is better than a max mina

[@vigneshrajaram1353]

5111 is not better than expertised mina + relic

[@anis2642]

How much dmg she deal like in comparison of someone like william

[@ryanforgo3500]

i think what you are missing in this video, is that people who ask the question "should i max" are the people who don't have the luxury to max many things. in which case i always say"you can play with joan 5 x x 4" and continue focusing on your nevsky "for example" and if you have 2 sets but no commmanders then i would place joan expertise as the last prio in those 2 marches. so for example my prio would be joan 5 x x4 and nevsky. then scipio + something for scipio. and then return to joan...

[@natsuds1]

Quick test Joan/ Genghis Khan, Will I be firing Skills left and Right?

[@jesusisking3652]

They really need to stop putting out new commands all the time I can't even max out the ones I have now

[@forbiddenfruit6320]

Sounds like you don't save your inventory.

[@puertoricanpapi1356]

@@forbiddenfruit6320 I get 21 gold heads a week passively because I’m vip 17 but still I can use scrape up around maybe 30-40 heads a week because of events they have and I’m a spender occasionally. But it’s definitely hard trying to catch up when this is your first SoC.

[@jeff5448]

Focus on one at a time

[@pj11_dokz57]

​@@jeff5448yes it's also what i do.

[@austinhodge8984]

I would say she definitely is. She has vaaaaastly exceeded my expectations. Nevsky Joan has been my best March this kvk. Way tankier than you’d think and does so much damage

[@semperfidelis3235]

I agree. At first, I was having second thoughts about even working on her. But bro, I got her 5434 (unlucky resets), but my Nev Joan is my best march compared to my other maxed commanders with better gears.

[@davideprinceprincipini2529]

You use nevsky primary ?

[@austinhodge8984]

@@davideprinceprincipini2529 Sure do. I also have my worst cav gear on him and the trades are still great

[@DavinRok440]

Did u expertised joan ?

[@morecroutonsplease4582]

Would you agree guys that Joan/Nevaky is better than Nevsky/Joan as Chisgule suggests?

[@ryanforgo3500]

i think what you are missing in this video, is that people who ask the question "should i max" are the people who don't have the luxury to max many things. in which case i always say"you can play with joan 5 x x 4" and continue focusing on your nevsky "for example" and if you have 2 sets but no commmanders then i would place joan expertise as the last prio in those 2 marches. so for example my prio would be joan 5 x x4 and nevsky. then scipio + something for scipio. and then return to joan...

[@toodles7709]

He already has a a commander tier list for that

[@tuanseattle]

you should focus on one commander at a time. You're bounded by equipment and materials too, so if you bring 4-5 weak marches you will just be canon fodder. Is 5xx4 Joan better than a 5551 Saladin or maxed Mina (if you already have those) is the question you should be asking before bringing her to the field.

[@BigKaneRok]

When you expertise Joan could you do a test of your current skilled Joan versus a expertised Joan? just so we can see the difference

[@Peter-gc4pm]

I've got a first point on her 4th skill when she was already 5521. When the skill description includes a word "damage" it's actually pretty solid. I heard that 5% normal attack damage and just 5% normal attack are not the same.

[@DDKKAY]

Yes. (+5% Normal Attack) is .. not (+5% Normal attack damage) and is not the same as ( +5% all Damage) and is not the same as (+5% Skill damage) and is not the same as (+5% Counterattack damage) .

[@tuanseattle]

With the word damage, it is multiplicative buffs. Without the word damage, it is just additive

[@jeff5448]

Joan's best skill is the one that gives a second skill attack

[@TJMiton]

The reality is that any meta commander youre planning to use in the field is worth maxing. sure, you can start using them at less than that in a lot of cases but theyre all worth maxing in the long run.

[@qige4234]

my Joan is 5215, it is good enough on thr field. the key thing to consider whether or not max a commander is whether you have saved enough gh for the next commander. One of next inf command must be exploding, i don’t believe next inf command are trash, so have to save gf for then to maximize the gh value

[@DDKKAY]

My Joan is 4314

[@semperfidelis3235]

That's already perfect. You can easily bring her to 5515. I got my Joan unluckily at 5434 and she works super super , i meant super solid

[@maclainholland4236]

Do you know when we will get inf?

[@_airboss_gaming_6632]

I‘m free to Play. What is better if i play only one march. Nevski/william oder Nevski/Joan ? 😅

[@FastTx66]

As an infantry main I'm not going to max Joan, I need to be sure I have enough sculptures for the new Infantry commanders on the way. I will try to eventuallly 5115 Joan Prime and work on her whenever there is a cavalry wheel.

[@oschs93]

The new cycle ruins my plan to add cavs march for my arsenal as inf main.. if like this, I will definitely keep my gold heads for new inf ahead..

[@tuanseattle]

that's the correct move. Save sculp until the next kvk when pass 4 open then max the meta commander at the time.

[@DezireTunes]

Should be worth noting that the % more damage dealt is more valuable on a commander like Joan whos whole design is pumping out at much damage as possible.

[@kushalroy4866]

HELP ME..I have max Nevesky, William (5-5-5-1), Xy (5-5-1-1) and Joan (5-1-2-5)...I have enough sculptures to max one commander..which one I should go for Xy or Joan?

[@ChinhNguyen-rz6vs]

max XY and 5525 or 5425 for Joan

[@user-lh1lr7wf8z]

@@ChinhNguyen-rz6vs What if xy 5511 and joan is 1111 should go for joan?

[@volvo89577]

Xy, is nice more dps than joan, but joan will aid more in mass battle. I think either is great choice.

[@StefanMedici]

Try getting your XY to 55x5.

[@tuanseattle]

get Joan to 5525, get Xy to 5515, max Joan, then go back maxing XY.

[@vinagunner]

Please make a vid of Joan 55x5 vs Joan 5555. Nevsky as primary

[@firesell-yt6898]

Think you could do a video on best rally/garrisons per troop type? Might have an older video I haven’t seen but because of the new comms that came out, would be nice to have it all in one vid.

[@nelsonm2384]

Was wondering when you tacle this subject,got her this week

[@toodles7709]

Thx 🙏 chisgule for the vid. I was pondering this exact question thinking what I should do for Joan after Nevsky

[@john2g1]

Nevsky needs a secondary... If William is near complete I say go for William. But if you're just getting started definitely go for Joan of Arc. They are both similar but Joan does a lot more damage over a much broader AOE range.

[@toodles7709]

@@john2g1 rn I’m working on Nevsky and have 5511 xy for pairing with nev

[@anis2642]

When Alexander nevski was just released you were looking at the sacred grail

[@gacl86]

Chisgule: I doubt the developers would release something underwhelming into the game. Lilith: We are releasing sea battles! Very underwhelming event in the game. I hope the ranged combat is well thought out and implemented properly.

[@realjohnlove]

At least you get a gold head lol

[@mrmaxcarter2306]

I'm not looking forward to ranged combat and blockades.

[@getzvalerevich6565]

"A little bit of march speed" = 100% 😂😂😂

[@laurent7885]

But you cannot choose, i had 6 skill reser and end up with 1 point on the skills whe using the last reset. Almost quite the game because of this, so frustrating

[@JWard-sp7wt]

I'm still working on Boudica 😑

[@DemiPairat]

dont worry about getting a lot of commanders. just make sure you got 5 solid march and avoid being swarmed, PERIOD!!!

[@mainchef5240]

why my joan is not this like of version integration instead of cavalry?

[@pooryanik7574]

I think i was so lucky to get her 5515 in day one without skill reset 😂

[@leocen8794]

i have expertised Nevsky. Should i go for Xy or Joan next?

[@JS-.-]

So what’s better a 5511 Joan or 5511 William behind a 5511 Nevsky?

[@jaydenmeinczinger349]

So I have saladin max same with Nevsky I only have the sacred dominion and shadow legions chest and mountain crushers. So should I get Joan I have 240 gold heads and can max wheel or should I focus on gear with my gems

[@PlunderFairy]

Is her expertise what makes a joan/nevsky rally better than expected.

[@harshitagarwal7475]

I have xy nevsky. Not maxing joan coz i don't have extra cav commander for her.

[@PaulJustine-y8y]

Why joan of arc to me is Integration, Gathering and Support ?

[@Chisgule]

Joan Prime is a legendary hero that becomes available only after kvk season 2

[@mehmetkarakis6131]

I think she is going to get nerved in like a few months but right now she is really good. The last skill could be nerved to like max 90% or something.

[@stathisstefnatos1076]

5111 joan or 5511 mehmed?

[@Insideman666]

I still want to know who to primary Nevsky or Joan when they’re both maxed and who to Primary when only Nevsky is max and Joan at 5511/5115

[@Red-jj5pl]

XY/ nev and maybe Saladin/ Joan

[@Insideman666]

@@Red-jj5pl those are good pairs for sure but i meant who to have as primary on a nev/joan march either when both are maxed or when Joan is at 5511/5115. Like if they’re both maxed is Joan a better primary and if so is she still a better primary at lower skill levels or what ? Lol just confused about that cuz atm i have a max Nev and a Joan at 5511 and idk if i should max her so i can use her as primary or if i can already do so and not waste more gold heads

[@tuanseattle]

@@Insideman666 Nev primary give you more overall burst damage in the first skill cycle. Nev Joan, Xy William. If you are a cav player, you should max her. B/c the number of marches you can bring to the field is limited by your rss/speed up and your equipments, so you want to make your chosen ones as strong as they can be to get the best trades.

[@Insideman666]

@@tuanseattle awesome thanks for the reply bro that’s all i wanted to know. I’m an inf main but have a full legendary cav set as well so i have a minor in cavalry also 😂 but yea the only cav commanders i have access to is a max nev, max Mina and Joan at 5511 so gonna work with that for now using Nev as primary 👍

[@eddiesloan3481]

Nev primary

[@DominickPianoWizardry]

hey chisgule, my account is almost f2p (i just bought the growth fund). do i use for books, for commander wheels or do i use for holy knights treasure? (also i am already vip 10)

[@Chisgule]

Probably a blend of value-seeking activities. Eg - more than gems for books, holy knight to 10 for patterns, etc, and then sometimes you move in on something bigger. Generally I feel like vip and books during more than gems is really high value.

[@DominickPianoWizardry]

@@Chisgule thank you very much for the tips

[@kingpalafox1045]

Players in my KD are stupid. They think Joan Prime is trash. Too many inf focus players that can’t even field fight properly. They’re obsessed with Pakal/harald and AT/Nevsky.

[@parashmanithakuria]

i have a little confusion...5% increase Cavalry damage means all damage increased by 5%?

[@ilikeknafs9563]

yes

[@sanzo7787]

nope, cavalry damage shd be normal atk and counter atk, just like archer damage

[@PaulJustine-y8y]

hello chisluge why joan prime is different skills to others

[@nicholaskazantzidis]

If you have the coin already made. Is it better to break it down and use the material on the ring or other accessory ?

[@Chisgule]

I’d stick with the coin rather than dismantle - the cost to dismantle is too steep IMO. Put the coin on whichever commander seems to get focused first. The coin only adds value while that march is getting targeted directly by an enemy.

[@vigneshrajaram1353]

How much universal heads did you use on her ?

[@yoyo-bt8uo]

much better if baibars be a legendary cavalry commander, its many player to spend money

[@mehdihm2593]

Chisgule. Are there any leaks about the next new infantry commanders?

[@Chisgule]

I'm not aware of any.

[@mehdihm2593]

@@Chisgule because I've seen people in the comments talk about Sun Tzu Prime

[@tenbear5]

Thanks again.

[@ollimikkola7168]

using non expertised coms just makes ur trades way worse in a long run, so imo expertise as fast as you can. 5115 is good but 5555 should be the goal

[@andytan911]

Tell us something we don't know, if everyone got all the gh😏

[@teamcheeseyt]

Hello, can you make a best epic with legendary pairs? Please? 😊

[@fluorin4ek676]

I'm trying to choose between making jad/zizka garrison and expertising my unfinished commanders (Joan 5425, William 5551 and maybe Sala 5551 and Bertrand 5511). Still can't decide what to do, any suggestions?

[@ilikeknafs9563]

i find it better to have one maxed skilled pair , then have 2 - 3 pairs that are not maxed

[@eddiesloan3481]

Jad/zizka for garrison sala/wilie at 5551 is enuf then max joan

[@googelle7555]

Would using 2 Rings of Doom be beneficial for multiple marches to hit the same target?

[@Chisgule]

You can only have one of each accessory on a commander. Ring of doom is so high damage that you want one on each of your damage focused-marches.

[@tuanseattle]

Use Multiple Horns is better. The chances of Horns is higher than Ring. Ring is like the final talent on archer trees

[@devanshudhapwal]

Hello chis, which is better Nevsky (primary) + Joan or Joan (primary) + Nevsky for open field.

[@eddiesloan3481]

Nev primary i use alredy got btter trade trust me

[@d3s12]

Im really looking for maxing her but does she will be here for long run? At least two years do you think Nevsky/joan will stay for long period?

[@ilikeknafs9563]

not in 2 years😂

[@Deveem4738]

Is her 4th skill really that good if it only triggers once every 10 seconds? Seems like a long time for open field fighting

[@tuanseattle]

if you're using 5 marches with debuff from Nevsky, Scipio and Boudica, one skill cycle where all 5 marches fires off is enough to finished off one enemy march.

[@Deveem4738]

I’m not even close to bringing 5 marches to the field. 1 or maybe 2 but definitely with Nevsky at 5553 atm

[@lazydaze3283]

if you are whaling it out then max her, for the rest of us, it is absolutely not needed to be maxed

[@winter2776]

Agree. Nice vid

[@riichobamin7612]

So, I should expertise her ?

[@dantedelmarco7505]

WAIT WHAAAAAT!!!! In italian language joan's expertise skill says: "when the enemy troop has LESS than 30% health this commander deal 5% more damage" WTF is happening here!!!

[@Chisgule]

Does it really?? Send me a picture in discord

[@dantedelmarco7505]

@@Chisgule yes, a did some tests with a friend and it turns out that the english version is the correct one 😒

[@dantedelmarco7505]

Where can i send you the picture? In community discord chat?

[@Snar]

Joan primary or nev?

[@ArjKm]

Lilith : We need people to spend monies to max new commanders Chisgule : I will make seemingly valid arguments, and make them feel its the best commander while appearing unbiased. Lilith : Thats why you're the best! Viewers : Damn he is the best!

[@Snar]

[@Chisgule]

That’s really not how the sponsorship relationship works. I’m able to pick whatever topics I want, Lilith does not choose the topic nor do they request review of the sponsored videos before they go live. As far as sponsors to they’re the most laid-back of any organization I’ve worked with.

[@jbird9218]

Look, I don’t agree with everything chis says but I think this is pretty spot on. I got to watch a high level joan in action and the joan/Nevsky damage was staggering.

[@pphxd]

Can you force a skill to stay lvl 1? I thought it was random

[@gabrielsimoes1730]

Yeah... it's based on luck and resetting when it goes wrong.

[@HeimdalDarth]

Am I stupid or what ,where do I go to join the honor guard :3

[@mohammadsn8677]

Joan is insane

[@Snar]

[@joshbein9827]

Yeah it's not worth maxing her but she is good just like William

[@ngocquoc2828]

5/5 FN or 2/3 Rejuvenate?

[@elitebarbarian1903]

3/3 rejuvenate

[@MVRowner]

Day 2 of requesting for Smash or Pass all commanders of Rise of Kingdoms.

[@dalvinkreer]

Does it matter? in about couple of months a new commander would be released that would be needed to be maxed again. And then another couple of months and then another couple of months... People have just only about maxed out Xy/pakal/zeno and they're already falling behind. Not to mention All the previous commanders. So might as well just sit on gold heads and run epic commanders for ever. LOL

[@nickpham6526]

I have joan 5225, enough to use 😂😂

[@arcana605]

5551 or 5515 guys? Help me

[@Chisgule]

Absolutely 5515. Need 4th skill maxed as the priority

[@catchyourdrift]

Joan Prime seems legit but we need to see more reports first😅

[@laurent7885]

I hate this commander… I tried to bring to 5115, ended up 5314. Tried again and ended up 5431 and no skill reset left…😤😤😤ended up having to expertise her. So frustrating, i understand now why the british burned her, she must have anyone them the way she did it with me

[@Threeamm315]

Why is no one making videos on Jan ….i he that bad

[@tuanseattle]

he is strong, but he is garrison which is not relavant to 90% of players.

[@abhishekjain5122]

Chisgule pleading on behalf of ROK to max commander and spend more money, lol

[@Chisgule]

Do it, Don’t do it. Your call. I’m just saying it’s a solid expertise that I will get on both main and restart.

[@devilmaycry1710]

Tbh don't waste gh wait for sun Tzu prime. 🔥

[@RobertBerry53]

do you think he's going to be the rally commander or will he be open field?

[@devilmaycry1710]

@@RobertBerry53 same as all prime open and can be anything garrison or rally

[@nandae7584]

another fake info?

[@realjohnlove]

What if Sun Tzu Prime is Leadership?

[@georgetibian9260]

ring Is not giving 50%? 🤔

[@Chisgule]

the ring gives 50% when it's active, but we're looking at the AVERAGE % damage boost of the ring at 5.4%. This accounts for the internal cooldown and proc rate.

[@marceloaragao4425]

@@Chisgule thsts why greatest glory is better!! With ring, you need to stay alive for a long time to have 5,4%. And this is not happend at open field Greatest glory, give 5% all the time

[@2377Kilde]

@@marceloaragao4425 ring is all damage. Gg is normal damage there is a huge difference

[@marceloaragao4425]

@@2377Kilde no... The description is normal attack has a 10% to increase damage by 50% for 2 seconds

[@marceloaragao4425]

For me ring is for rally and garrisson!

[@dinonano602]

New range update is what im afraid of, might make cavalry drop in value so much, only good in speed & chasing. Archer is the real dmg 😢 currently saving 1.2k gold sculptures here

[@tuanseattle]

what i'm afraid of is they will introduce a 5th type of troop type and commanders lol. more money.

[@dinonano602]

@@tuanseattle i dont think so, they are just implementing what they do to their beta game, call of dragons is their testing game, rok is the real one

[@tomroyale9028]

Is she good with attila?

[@Chisgule]

I don't think so, attila reduces skill damage and she does lots of skill damage. You'd rather pair them differently.

[@tuanseattle]

I tried with 1v1 testing... not great. The only thing Atilla Joan do better is Joan Khan. Joan CC, Joan Mina, even Joan Ceasar and Joan Mehmed are all better than Atila Joan. Atila doesn't have any rage engine, so you will fire your skill long after your enemy already reduce your troop count thus making your skill less effective. Atila reduce your skill damage by 30% but have 50% chance to boost your damage by 25% or 50% but it's a big gamble that it activate on the turn Joan fire off skills, and from what I see, it may not... so you get a lot of reduced damage at very little benefit. Atila doesn't have any defensive stats. You may think he has that 15% skill damage reduction but he has a bad tree which is attack, that does not give any good skill damage reduction while most cav/skill comm will have skill damage reduction from skill tree. So that 15% skill damage reduction doesn't make he any tankier like say, nevsky (and far less durable than Saladin). The only good thing is he may not be targeted as much - and that may be the key since pretty much all marches nowadays will melt in one skill cycle if get targeted by 5 or more marches that contain the 6th gen commanders debuffs.

[@myomin1393]

hello

[@bambus44]

i hate how every video becomes at some point nevsky propaganda xD

[@Bariscena]

It would be great if you add Turkish subtitles to your videos.

[@janihaavisto79]

Have to laugh about this. Never before have I've seen Chis being like doing a salesman thing for Joan. I get it tho. I hate the fact that I need to max her, as low spender it means so many days 9f working on her that's not even funny. Especially when I have Nevsky to finish, then Scipi P. I opened Joan and Boudi P, but idk if i will do Boudi P at all. Or if I do then I need to leave Joan unworked.

[@Flab-my4yi]

feels like joan dint do great in sales :p p.s.-Boudica prime seems good investment as well if u are lacking 1 archer march or have space for her in ur setup

[@Coregame3]

@@Flab-my4yi who else is better than Joan to invest now

[@tuanseattle]

leave Joan unworked and focus on maxing your Nevsky first. Then by the time you done with NEvsky, if another stronger cav comes, then you can skip Joan. Boudica is good if you already have YSG maxed then that give you another meta march just by maxing 1 commander. BUT, max nevsky first before you work on anything else otherwise you will always be weak and get bad trades.

[@janihaavisto79]

@@tuanseattle thx, my thoughts exactly. New commander's come flying too fast, have to do certain picks.

[@tamnguyenminh811]

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