Choosing Your VanLife Van - How Old Is Too Old? Should YOU Buy An Older Minivan, Cargo, Camper Van?

[@BudgetTravelGuy]

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[@TheRealJerseyJoe]

I've got an old van (94) and it runs like a Swiss watch. It's simple to fix (almost no crappy sensors) and parts are easy to find and inexpensive. I've driven it cross country countless times and it has never left me stranded in the past decade that I've owned it. Best of all it's fully paid for... you could say, I'm a happy camper :-) The one and only downside is the gas mileage... which at the moment is painful.

[@BudgetTravelGuy]

Yeah, those big vans (like yours and my white one) do like gas! Sounds like your '94 is working for you, and that's all that matters!

[@lindasue8719]

If I may ask, what model is it? I've always loved the older vans and class Bs but have been warned off them emphatically... Mostly due to the availability of parts. It's very discouraging because not only are they the ones I've always been most fond of, but they are more in my price range.

[@TheRealJerseyJoe]

@@lindasue8719 - Of course ! My van is a 94 Ford E-250 with a 4.9 L (300 ci) in line 6 cylinder engine (fuel injected). Now here is the thing... I'm not recommending that you run out and buy one of these because here is the truth... First off, I have a LOT of mechanical experience. Back in 2010 I purchased this van for a mere $500.00 from a guy who ran a pool company and was retiring. These year vans do have their own issues. For example they use plastic parts in the door locks which degrades over the years and will cause the doors to fail to open at some point. They also suffer from loose steering, so it's likely that front end & suspension parts will be needed. It is also important to be aware that vans 94 or earlier will likely be OBD 1 which means that the computer will not provide the same type of detailed diagnostic information that a newer van will. With modern vehicles the tech can simply hook up your van to a device that will read the computer and it will be easier to diagnose problems. What I'm getting at is that with an older van such as this you really need to have mechanical knowledge or have access to someone who does. The particular engine that I have in my van is pretty much indestructible and was one of the best and simplest engines that Ford produced. Mine has been totally reliable and has never failed to start. On the downside it gets terrible gas mileage so it's very painful these days when going to the pump. My advice is this... when looking at any "old" cargo van be sure to have the engine, transmission and electrical system checked over with a fine tooth comb. In my case I was lucky and have mechanical knowledge so owning an older van hasn't been a problem for ME.... however, this will not be the case for everyone. Hope this gives you something to think about. Good luck with your search and best wishes !

[@Nowhalehome]

Timestamps 0:00 intro 2:36 minivans 3:10 cargo van 3:33 Chevy dodge ect

[@deloressmith8184]

2014 Town Country no build,bed and mattress like you showed,jackery 500.74yo female part time ,short trips with 3 dogs.Bought used repaired things before taking trip.Have really enjoy my van.

[@BudgetTravelGuy]

Glad you're enjoying adventuring in the minivan, Delores. Sounds like you're doing it the right way by keeping things simple! More soon...safe travels!

[@lindasue8719]

Thanks for sharing your experience!❤️

[@IemonIime]

Found an 82' Dodge b250 tradesman, no rust at all, no leaks, immaculate interior and exterior. 60k miles. Original owner said it was only driven in the summer and garaged in the winter. Was skeptical at first of the age, but couldnt pass it up. Has been home for the last year. Exceptions aside, i probably would have gone with something 90's and up. Thanks for the video 🙂

[@flowrob6861]

At 70 on SS income with utubes videos, we run 97 ford Econoline van . Ebay has parts often if junkyard doesn't . What you get often is determined by income Now .

[@stevec3872]

True. I'm 69, poor, living on SS and a small pension. So much is determined by income now but I need so little.

[@BudgetTravelGuy]

Flow Rob, the older stuff is fine for those (like you) that can do a lot of the work AND know where to get the oddball parts (thank goodness for eBay!). More soon...safe travels!

[@sheryl420]

I bought a 1994 Ford Aerostar Mini Van last year..it runs good! i recently bought 4 new tires for it. i still have to buy plywood and memory foam to complete my bed build

[@BudgetTravelGuy]

Sounds like you've got a good one, Sheryl. If you choose you don't want to build your own bed frame, check these out... kzbin.info/www/bejne/mJu0qGWQpJmjr5Y

[@vickymayo6052]

I have a 1997 Ford Areostar XLT minivan. Kevin is correct, I have replaced the power steering pump, radiator, water pump, clutch fan, a tie rod, alternator, and some vacuum hoses. Thank goodness I had the premiere AAA package because I had a one time, no charge, 200 mile tow. The alternator went out 175 miles from my destination. I have made four 2,000 mile trips in Van-Go.

[@GiveUaKnuckleSandwhich]

Looking to by a comfortable van for some light traveling. Wouldn't mind using it for day to day use but mostly to get on the road with my family and be a weekend warriors! Thanks for the advice ♡

[@BudgetTravelGuy]

mamalu836, that's a great way to get started in van adventuring. Start out simple, start with a bed/mattress with works for you, then add one thing at a time. I'm glad you're finding some of the vids useful to you!

[@larrytucker222]

Newer vans also have more safety features. As someone who has been hit three times by other drivers, safety features help.

[@BudgetTravelGuy]

Larry, that actually is a VERY good point for people to consider, also. While the minivans I've used have airbags, for example, my large '93 model van does not. More soon...safe travels.

[@larrytucker222]

@@BudgetTravelGuy An airbag has hit me in the face twice. Not fun.

[@adamnjethro4080]

@@larrytucker222 having a home helps too but here we are scraping dollars to live in a vehicle while KZbinrs making tens of thousands a month to show you there builds that cost more than my parents house… having money would help too

[@davefalin4095]

To expand upon this, even if you are mechanically proficient, you have to bring along all the tools and stuff to fix the vehicle. And if you’re full time you just simply don’t have space for all that.

[@BudgetTravelGuy]

Hey, Dave - that's a good point too, especially in smaller vehicles where space is always a premium. Hope the weather is treating you well where you are now....20 degrees tonight here.

[@starwalsh4279]

Thank you you helped me so much I’m looking to buy my first van life vehicle and I’m looking at a 91 ford camper van but it’s got 400 thousand miles on it and she wants about $5500 but I only want to offer a 1000 at the most but her argument is the work inside is done but it’s still missing solid and a fridge my budget is 6000 total I have to live in the van that’s why I need one

[@nikkipage9132]

I have the mechanical nightmare. I have put so much into it that I don't want to give up. I have a dodge 2003 conversion shorty with a raised top.

[@l.a.v.alindysawesomevanadv3428]

Yes that was my primary concern when purchasing a van. Looks didn't matter. Just the engine etc.

[@BudgetTravelGuy]

Good point - people get caught up in the 'looks or color or even custom paintjob' instead of the condition of a van.

[@l.a.v.alindysawesomevanadv3428]

Missed seeing you. Glad you're back.

[@BudgetTravelGuy]

Thanks for thinking about me. Vids should be on a more normal schedule now...hope you find some of the stuff in this new batch useful to you!

[@MichaelRoyDuckworth]

Last spring, a friend bought a 1972 Dodge "Boogie van" that had been stored for decades. He assumed that I would help him restore it. The drive train was geriatric on it's death bed. Most of the parts to rebuild that were either from no-name parts makers or performance/race car manufactures. It had numerous switches, controls, and electrical problems. Even the door handles were failing. It would have cost less for him to buy a very expensive, top of the line class C RV than than make that old van slightly dependable.

[@BudgetTravelGuy]

Mike, you nailed it with that description of your friends van. It CAN be done on any old vehicle, but people usually estimate how much time/money a project like that is going to take. More soon...hope you've been able to get out and enjoy yourself some!

[@aniassantiago6445]

I paid cash for a 2008 toyota sienna that was a one owner van in immaculate condition. I've put 10 thousand miles on it since may and it's running flawlessly. I put new tires on her, change her oil every 4k, check the fluids often. She starts up strong every time.

[@BudgetTravelGuy]

Anias, sounds like you a good van for your adventuring, and you make maintenance a high priority!

[@aniassantiago6445]

@@BudgetTravelGuy thank you

[@toastymitsu4374]

I needed to hear this. Had my eye on a 1984 Toyota Spacecruiser, I’ll keep saving money

[@BudgetTravelGuy]

Toasty Mitsu, glad my 'how old is too old' van video helped you. Unless someone is a pretty good mechanic (and is able to carry a lot of tools with them), it's better to stay away from anything over 25 years old (or is anything that not many were made). Hopefully you'll find some of the other vids I've done on good (and bad) vans useful to you, too: kzbin.info/aero/PL8lmhWP2r0ekFS1ycTzaPTqbyFBHIcGrd

[@shawntucker7674]

Some good advice in here. As far as old parts, be careful with the early 2000 vehicles too as several electronics and sensors for these 15+ y.o. vehicles are disappearing from new stock. Even shops are having to wait for what used to be common same-day parts. Part of the reason I'm happy with my 96 E-150 with a 351w is that parts are from a lot of models and years. Granted, I have some mechanical experience and tools to do the work.

[@BudgetTravelGuy]

Good point, Shawn. I'm in the same boat (90's model) - I'm experienced enough to deal with a '93 and know where to source oddball parts, but I would not recommend that a granny starting out and trying to travel across the country or live in it. More soon...safe travels!

[@cuddlesanddaisy]

I believe the wires in my 98 Sienna are not coated with soy based material, so that is a benefit of it being pre 2000s. Plus I haven't had trouble getting it repaired (yet lol).🤠

[@BudgetTravelGuy]

You're good on the 98 Sienna - parts shouldn't be an issue on those. More soon...safe travels!

[@howardhoward5878]

Maybe i am spoiled in the opposite direction. My school of thought is that for ME as an ex-trucker I'd rather deal with slightly less mileage than having to deal with a militude of sensors. ie airbags, emissions transmission... Not forgetting theft items like catalytic converters. I can rebuild a carb ,a transmission, distributor etc. Maybe I've just discovered a new Van life side hustle .

[@BudgetTravelGuy]

Howard, I agree with you on older vehicles (vans/campers), as far as having to deal with repairs on the road - some of this newer stuff that's being manufactured is almost unserviceable. More soon...safe travels!

[@DannyB-cs9vx]

I have a 1983 Dodge b250. I am mechanically inclined. I rebuilt the engine and transmission, then the windshield wiper switch went out. Not available. i crossed over the part number on the switch and found something similar enough to adapt. Like you said, not something most people are prepared to deal with.

[@BudgetTravelGuy]

DannyB1954, glad you were able to figure out a solution for the wiper switch. I've run into a few things I've needed discontinued on my '93. That '83 of yours is the basically the same as what I have - at least we know they're built like tanks. More soon...safe travels!

[@marcelom3514]

Hey Kevin, great tip! Mechanical issues will happen at some point. It’s a matter of time.

[@BudgetTravelGuy]

"Mechanical issues will happen at some point." Dude...that may be the truest thing ever said!!! Safe travels.

[@jarrodharris5929]

So Kevin I will have to say out west parts for older vehicles are actually easy to get. The problem is mechanics not knowing how to work on a vehicle without a computer to tell them what is going wrong. Older vehicles with low mileage are great if you can troubleshoot and fix them yourself, but good mechanics are very hard to find

[@BudgetTravelGuy]

Jarrod, that's interesting (and no doubt true) about the west. Here in the east, when the price of metals went up a few years back all of the small yards crushed nearly everything - and I mean EVERYTHING - that had any age to it - so it's much harder finding stuff in junkyards now than in years past. More soon....safe travels!

[@Alenasup]

I found this helpful 👍 thank you

[@BudgetTravelGuy]

Glad you enjoyed the "how old is too old" for a campervan video. More soon...safe travels!

[@followyourbliss101]

condition is huge regardless of age. then parts availability and mechanical skill level. the biggest issue i see - like another vanlife young guy on yt - did a late 90s astro van - cheap, but because it gets such lousy mileage, he could've gone with a newer ford e150 for more space and possibly get slightly better mileage depending on the engine and year. if you plan to do a lot of driving, the cost of the car will not mean much after a few years of 12K/year driving at these pump prices. one of those highboy transits, although small, could make one happier from the fuel savings

[@anitasimmons3599]

Thank you for another great video. I feel this is really good advice. I have an unusually high mechanical ability and a lot of experience with auto mechanics. I came by it honestly, ie l had really old cars when I was younger. I once waited over 6 months for a control arm for a 1965 Volvo 544. I rolled the car 2 weeks before the part came in. I walked away from the accident, and I was able to sale the part and a lot of the other parts off my wreck, but I would not want to repeat the experience. Both my husband and I could rebuild anything on a vehicle, but at this stage of our life, we would rather pay more upfront and drive something dependable. We definitely would not spend hours converting an older used up vehicle. The older and higher milage vehicles cost more to maintain. When we are on our extended trips we don't want to spend time waiting for vehicle repairs in some small remote town near xyz NP. That is just my thoughts and who knows some people might enjoy the adventure of staying at The Bed Bug Inn in #$&, Missouri while they wait for Bubba's Garage to repair their vehicle. Safe travels.

[@BudgetTravelGuy]

"Bed Bug Inn", lol. (Can I use that?) Anita, I'd imagine that 60's Volvo was built like a tank.

[@anitasimmons3599]

@@BudgetTravelGuy of course you can use that. We were stranded in Estase Park, Colorado and the one hotel with a $215 room had reviews that started out with Bed Bugs... the funny thing is bed bugs can't handle heat and even if we had stayed there they would not have survived the trips across Kansas.

[@JUSTINANDCHRISTINA]

We have a 1999 Roadtrek Dodge Versatile - We bought it (pre-Covid) knowing we would have to dump money into it as we had the money- and would have no payment. But we still had a « remodel » repair budget. Unless you are both mechanically and builder inclined- money will be dropped or required somewhere along the road. A house or chalet needs upkeep. We use our vehicle as winter get away to warm weather home but also as our daily driver. But when we will go full time- because we have a child, 2 adult and a fur baby- we will purchase a Promaster New on payments and pay for the build as we go. We calculated that rental income in the summer months of our existing unit will cover the Promaster Payments as well. So - many many different options.

[@BudgetTravelGuy]

Glad the Roadtrek is working for you now - and you two handled it right and planned accordingly. You also seem to have a good long term plan for the future since you've decided this is for you. More soon...safe travels!

[@callingyouout3954]

This is heartbreaking. I'm looking for an older van, not for aesthetics, but because I live in a state with draconian inspection laws and an inspection system rife with corruption. First off, the news has covered this now and then. They take the same car to four or five different inspectors and come back with 4 or 5 different inspection reports detailing ways that the car failed inspection, so there is no consistency. What is wrong with the car depends entirely on whatever the mechanic chooses to say is wrong with it. And here's the kicker that makes the entire system corrupt. Once it's inspected, that inspection is on file with the state. You've got a limited time to get the repairs done and you vehicle is dead in the water an beyond that brief period, is barred from being driven on the road until whatever the mechanic listed is repaired....and he's the one most likely to make said repairs. Do you see the conflict of interest here? Inspection mechanics write their own tickets to do whatever repairs they want to your vehicle and you are held hostage to getting them done weather it's' needed or not because otherwise it's not legally drivable. The whole system is rife with corruption and the hoops you have to go through to get anything used on the road is ridiculous. Their inspection check list which should be limited to safety concerns and road worthiness of the vehicle alone has all sorts of unneeded bs that has nothing to do with either. That's why a lot of folks here are looking for used cars greater than 20 years old. Any car older than 20 years is allowed to skip inspection. Again, this is not against safety inspections. I've lived in other states with reasonable safety inspections. I've just never lived in one with such an arbitrary and corrupt system. Oh, and if you're pulled over and you've licensed your vehicle in a neighboring state, you'll be given 60 days to change to an instate tags, so you're forced to go through the system with no outs. I guess I'll stick as close to the 20 year time limit as I can without slipping too far back in time. Great video and something we all need to know about.

[@BudgetTravelGuy]

Thanks for that info! It's a shame you have to deal with that inspection nonsense (especially if it concerns emissions stuff) in your area, but the 20 year old rule is interesting in your area, too. More soon...safe travels!

[@artwebb6939]

The older it is, the more popular better be if you want to actually find parts for when something weird breaks Sadly, unlike the 70s and 80s, current year is not particularly van happy Now my 1990 Chevy pickup hardly ever gives me a problem, and if it does I have the skills to work on it, but more than that, there's lots of them still in the street and lots of people are still driving them Contrast that with a 19 99 Chevy Astro van that I couldn't find a pulley bracket for

[@BudgetTravelGuy]

Art, that is true, also - the rarer the vehicle brand/type, the more challenging it is to find oddball parts. I know a LOT of Astro/Safari vans were sold, but they are virtually non-existent where I live compared with other older vans. More soon...safe travels!

[@samanthadodd8112]

My requirement is it has to be fuel injected. Can't stand a carborator. They hate me.

[@BudgetTravelGuy]

Samantha, that's a very good point about older vans, too. Carbs can be 'finicky'....

[@anitasimmons3599]

I got really good at rebuilding and adjust dual carborators on the 60s Volvos I had. It was a real pain... You could not pay me to deal with that again.

[@dawndamron7391]

The mechanical issues are what scare me the most. I will eventually be doing van life full time and one thing I require is the ability to stand up in my rig. I currently use my mini van as a camper and love it, but it kills my back and knees after several days. The high roof cargo vans are completely out of my budget so I have been exploring alternatives like shuttle busses and ambulances. But I worry about those big diesel engines with heavy mileage. I know nothing about diesel engines and not a lot about gasoline engines. What if it breaks down in the middle of nowhere? Am I going to be able to find a diesel mechanic in Nowheresville, Arizona? I mean, in my dream world, I'd have a built out ProMaster, but that's not gonna happen so I'm going to have find a cheaper more creative alternative.

[@BudgetTravelGuy]

Dawn, in your situation I would STRONGLY suggest you avoid getting shuttle buses/schoolies/etc - while they are built well, those heavy duty parts are going to be HIGH when they do need replaced, and you're going to be able to take things like that into a small garage to be put on a lift, for example. I would only recommend vehicles like that to the people can haul around floor jacks and heavy duty tools and are able to do all of their own repairs. Enjoy your minivan for now, and just keep looking - eventually you'll run into a deal on a larger (high top) van that may work for you.

[@tucsontom7244]

Kevin I haven't seen any videos from you for some time. Is everything okay with you?

[@BudgetTravelGuy]

Hey Tucson Tom - appreciate you checking on me!!! Had to take some time off, but I'm working on some new stuff now that should be out soon...safe travels!

[@m3xplorer159]

Hey Kevin, great common sense tip!

[@BudgetTravelGuy]

Thank you, my friend...glad you're enjoying some of the new van/travel stuff I'm putting together. Safe travels!

[@stevec3872]

Sorry, your videos still won't load for me, maybe I'll try my Kindle. I have a 2004 Honda Odyssey because it's what I could afford 3 years ago. I am almost at 200,000 miles and at the rate I drive I won't hit 250 for 10 years and these Odysseys are known to be able to go to 300,000 miles. I have no leaks, just put in a new battery, and my next big expense is a timing belt job--maintenance. So I feel ok with my choice.

[@BudgetTravelGuy]

Steve, that's odd. Are any KZbin videos loading for you?

[@RickReeves-s4i]

I buy every 1992 Chevy Astro or safari van i can get they run for ever easy to fix parts are starting get hard to find i trust them over any new vans the newer they are the least reliable they are

[@BudgetTravelGuy]

Those Astro/Safari vans were rock solid, and sticking with any brand/model like that means you already know all of the "quirks" when something does happen. More soon..safe travels!

[@mtwata]

Good points! Unless it's a Toyota 🤣 jk. Thanks for the video!

[@Time4aKiss]

Trying to be like Scotty? With less hair

[@BudgetTravelGuy]

Scotty Kilmer? I'd have to consume about 14 cups of coffee to be like him !!!!! :-) More soon...safe travels!

[@TheMoor74]

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