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Chopin-Godowsky - The Complete Etudes - M.-A. Hamelin [SHEET-MUSIC]

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@alexmolt
@alexmolt 3 жыл бұрын
00:07 - No.1 (Op.10-1) 1st version- C major 02:13 - No.2 (Op.10-1) 2nd version- D flat major (left hand) 04:54 - No.3 (Op.10-2) 1st version- A minor (left hand) 06:41 - No.4 (Op.10-2) 2nd version- A minor ('Ignis fatuus') 08:39 - No.5 (Op.10-3) D flat major (left hand) 13:25 - No.6 (Op.10-4) C sharp minor (left hand) 16:14 - No.7 (Op.10-5) 1st version- G flat major 17:51 - No.8 (Op.10-5) 2nd version- C major 19:42 - No.9 (Op.10-5) 3rd version- A minor ('Tarantella') 22:12 - No.10 (Op.10-5) 4th version- A major ('Capriccio') 24:19 - No.11 (Op.10-5) 5th version- G flat major 26:16 - No.12 (Op.10-5) 6th version- G flat major 28:06 - No.12a (Op.10-5) 7th version- G flat major (left hand) 30:26 - No.13 (Op.10-6) E flat minor (left hand) 34:11 - No.14 (Op.10-7) 1st version- C major ('Toccata') 35:59 - No.15 (Op.10-7) 2nd version- G flat major ('Nocturne') 38:54 - No.15a (Op.10-7) 3rd version- E flat major (left hand) 41:19 - No.16 (Op.10-8) 1st version- F major 44:32 - No.16a (Op.10-8) 2nd version- G flat major (left hand) 48:11 - No.17 (Op.10-9) 1st version- C sharp minor 50:53 - No.18 (Op.10-9) 2nd version- F minor (Imitation of Op.25-2) 53:33 - No.18a (Op.10-9) 3rd version- F sharp minor (left hand) 58:03 - No.19 (Op.10-10) 1st version- D major 1:01:58 - No.20 (Op.10-10) 2nd version- A flat major (left hand) 1:05:14 - No.21 (Op.10-11) A major (left hand) 1:08:35 - No.22 (Op.10-12) C sharp minor (left hand) 1:11:49 - No.23 (Op.25-1) 1st version- A flat major (left hand) 1:14:55 - No.24 (Op.25-1) 2nd version- A flat major (like a piece for 4 hands) 1:17:49 - No. 25 (Op. 25-1) 3rd version- A flat major 1:20:39 - No. 26 (Op. 25-2) 1st version- F minor 1:22:21 - No. 27 (Op. 25-2) 2nd version- F minor ('Waltz') 1:24:31 - No. 28 (Op. 25,2) 3rd version - A- F minor 1:27:09 - No. 28 (Op. 25-2) 3rd version - B- F minor 1:30:12 - No. 28a (Op. 25-2) 4th version- F sharp minor (left hand) 1:32:53 - No. 29 (Op. 25-3) 1st version- F major 1:35:18 - No. 30 (Op. 25-3) 2nd version- F major (left hand) 1:37:50 - No. 31 (Op. 25-4) 1st version- A minor (left hand) 1:40:18 - No. 32 (Op. 25-4) 2nd version- F minor ('Polonaise') 1:46:20 - No. 33 (Op. 25-5) 1st version- E minor 1:50:08 - No. 34 (Op. 25-5) 2nd version- C sharp minor ('Mazurka') 1:53:43 - No. 35 (Op. 25-5) 3rd version- B flat minor (left hand) 1:58:12 - No. 36 (Op. 25-6) G sharp minor 2:00:24 - No. 38 (Op. 25-8) D flat major 2:01:55- No. 39 (Op. 25-9) 1st version- G flat major 2:02:57 - No. 40 (Op. 25-9) 2nd version- G flat major (left hand) 2:04:31 - No. 41 (Op. 25-10) B minor (left hand) 2:09:09 - No. 42 (Op. 25-11) A minor 2:13:36- No. 43 (Op. 25-12) C sharp minor (left hand) 2:16:58 - No. 44 (Méth. M-F No. 1) F minor (left hand) 2:18:48 - No. 45 (Méth. M-F No. 2) 1st version- E major 2:22:56 - No. 45a (Méth. M-F No. 2) 2nd version- D flat major (left hand) 2:25:06 - No. 46 (Méth. M-F No. 3) G major ('Menuetto') 2:28:21 - No. 47 (Op. 10-5 and Op. 25-9) G flat major ('Badinage', 2 studies combined) 2:29:55 - No. 48 (Op. 10-11 and Op. 25-3) F major (2 studies combined)
@dot8209
@dot8209 Жыл бұрын
Godowsky was certainly ahead of his time... he knew pianists would want their right hand for scrolling on their phone while playing Chopin etudes.
@bsdkflh
@bsdkflh 11 ай бұрын
I know right, I mean I gotta do my sudoku *sometime*, right?
@peter5.056
@peter5.056 6 ай бұрын
This is a terrifying level of virtuosity.
@AsrielKujo
@AsrielKujo 2 жыл бұрын
There is no other performer of this set outside of Maestro Hamelin, nobody plays and nobody will ever play these like him. Truly a blessing to have him on this earth and a blessing to our ears to be able to listen to this for free on KZbin, thanks so much for the effort of making this video, i truly appreciate it, every minute you spent working on this was worth it!
@gerry30
@gerry30 Жыл бұрын
I don't disagree with you but I really wish Godowsky himself had recorded at least some of them. Josef Hoffman said that when Godowsky was comfortable and relaxed, nobody could play like him. Coming from Hoffman, I can't imagine what that sounded like.
@yuehchopin
@yuehchopin Жыл бұрын
@@gerry30 Konstantin Scherbakov spielte auch sehr gut
@yuehchopin
@yuehchopin Жыл бұрын
Konstantin Scherbakov ist auch serh gut
@gerry30
@gerry30 Жыл бұрын
@@yuehchopin Thank you for the suggestion. I will look into his playing some more. I saw that he recorded all of Godowsky's works. I enjoy Godowsky's original works as well as his transcriptions.
@yuehchopin
@yuehchopin Жыл бұрын
@@gerry30 Oh, du hast einen guten Geschmack
@isthatajojoreference149
@isthatajojoreference149 2 жыл бұрын
How does one learn this let alone record it with such perfection? Truly a remarkable pianist of the highest caliber.
@gabriel_kyne
@gabriel_kyne 2 жыл бұрын
Recordings (including classical recordings, believe it or not!) are highly edited. That's how you get something like this with zero mistakes
@tackontitan
@tackontitan 2 жыл бұрын
Practice, practice, practice.
@carrietide
@carrietide 2 жыл бұрын
Agreed
@pianobirb5644
@pianobirb5644 Жыл бұрын
@@gabriel_kyne Mr. Hamelin plays these etudes live as well, and they are often impeccable. Yes there may be editing done, but not to a scale so that its drastically different from the original, otherwise Mr. Hamelin wouldn't be able to perform these in public!
@sqrti8825
@sqrti8825 Жыл бұрын
@@gabriel_kyne Where?
@HenryJonesVictor
@HenryJonesVictor 2 жыл бұрын
"This passage would sound better in octaves, provided no retardation results from the strain on the wrist" - "The pianist must show no sign of fatigue in the coda" holy shit these footnotes are hilarious. Damn how I wish we had some good recordings of Godowsky's playing
@aidanm.1683
@aidanm.1683 2 жыл бұрын
Where are those two footnites
@padraicfanning7055
@padraicfanning7055 2 жыл бұрын
@@aidanm.1683 very first study, close to the recap
@markswanson549
@markswanson549 Жыл бұрын
I’m glad he included the fingering. Makes it so much easier lol! #sarcasm
@andrewzhang8512
@andrewzhang8512 Жыл бұрын
wtf bruh superhuman moment
@imdarealani
@imdarealani Жыл бұрын
Here after Caleb Hu did it (with video)!
@kristianjohansson8912
@kristianjohansson8912 2 жыл бұрын
If you listen to this on YT you should go and buy the album as well. His brilliant playing makes it seem that he just breezes through it, but he has worked hard to reach this extreme level of perfection. The man deserves the income. He is a genius.
@daviddickey370
@daviddickey370 Жыл бұрын
Absolutely agree: I have had the cd's since they came out, but it's so great to have the sheet music too.
@itamarabramson5603
@itamarabramson5603 3 жыл бұрын
How is it possible that only 3 people are watching this
@josswindsor8288
@josswindsor8288 3 жыл бұрын
Virtuoso prodigioso brillante veloz espectacular...variantes del célebre num 1
@tomekkobialka
@tomekkobialka Жыл бұрын
This video should be transmitted into outer space to show any aliens out there that humanity isn't all that bad... These are all great but I think I love No.45 the most. Also that harmonic "turn" at 10:01...just beautiful.
@f1f1s
@f1f1s 2 жыл бұрын
There is a reason why Nos. 44- onwards have ‘Méth.’ in their title. Meth. Meth is the only thing that can keep the pianist alive after 48 Godowsky’s transcriptions of Chopin’s Études. On a serious note, I am so much happier that Hamelin’s recording has been published online and made available to the wide public...
@JamesSmith-mw7ps
@JamesSmith-mw7ps 2 жыл бұрын
This is such a monumental work in piano technique (and music). The markings are so detailed, and he often provides 2 sets of fingerings. These features combined with the multiple studies on the same Chopin etude really open our eyes to the technical and musical mind of Godowsky, one of the greatest pianist and arranger of all time. If I had to pick only one etude set to learn from, this would be the one. It’s less physical than Chopin’s original as the tempo requirements are a lot more lenient, but they are much more complicated musically and technically. I would say these studies are incredibly practical as well. Chopin’s technique is at the core of Romantic piano technique, and Godowsky has transferred most of it directly onto the left hand. Godowsky’s right hand is more free: they offer technical hurdles for pianists to overcome (kind of like Liszt etudes).
@TheExarion
@TheExarion 2 жыл бұрын
16:05 1:08:35 Hamelin flexing that handspan (literally)
@stacia6678
@stacia6678 2 жыл бұрын
16:04*
@avb20540
@avb20540 2 жыл бұрын
I want to see Hamelin unleash this at the Chopin competitions
@tommasozucol4160
@tommasozucol4160 2 жыл бұрын
biggest flex in history
@JamesSmith-mw7ps
@JamesSmith-mw7ps 2 жыл бұрын
In some sense Chopin’s etudes are better for competitions. They are a lot less cluttered, which can show off finger brillance and at the same time expose problems that would otherwise be hidden by Godowsky’s thick texture. And I think they are better music, not to belittle Godowsky’s contributions to music and technique.
@tommasozucol4160
@tommasozucol4160 2 жыл бұрын
@@JamesSmith-mw7ps i think it was meant to be more like a flex than a competition itself, would be great to see and exibition just so he could flex on the participants lmao
@AsrielKujo
@AsrielKujo 2 жыл бұрын
@@tommasozucol4160 you're very nice to this kid who doesn't know what he's talking about, but still, all of this music is just not only so much harder technically and musically, but for more advanced listeners (apparently not the jury of chopin competitions) it's much more pleasing
@tommasozucol4160
@tommasozucol4160 2 жыл бұрын
@@AsrielKujo I agree, probably the thing that makes them sound boring is probably the fact there are many different versions for a single etude and listening to them all in order might result boring... But the truth is that if you listen to them one by one, they are beautiful pieces, with much more pathos than the original ones!
@notmytempo464
@notmytempo464 3 жыл бұрын
Fantastic upload thank you! I bought this album a while back, Mr Hamelin really rasied the bar of pianistic artistry and virtuosity with it. A true musical gem of our time!
@philinh9169
@philinh9169 3 ай бұрын
Very Impressive how clean the left hand versions are! Especially how the polyphonic voicing is maintained and crystallized
@illogicmath
@illogicmath 3 жыл бұрын
This is insane. The revolutionary study played only with the left hand.
@pxyz7
@pxyz7 2 жыл бұрын
I wouldn't have believed it, and then I saw it.
@BlueberryYogurtSmoothieEnjoyer
@BlueberryYogurtSmoothieEnjoyer 28 күн бұрын
That mazurka is especially beautiful...
@user-fp9do6xq9t
@user-fp9do6xq9t 8 ай бұрын
I love you Marc Andre....
@MrAchu1000
@MrAchu1000 2 жыл бұрын
waterfall etude in d flat major is fantastic!
@CatkhosruShapurrjiFurabji
@CatkhosruShapurrjiFurabji 2 жыл бұрын
Truly a pianist of unfathomable greatness!
@tomyoarrete3060
@tomyoarrete3060 3 жыл бұрын
Juste incroyable, quel travail pour n'en maîtriser qu'une seule déjà !!
@sebastianbrix
@sebastianbrix 3 жыл бұрын
A TRULY titanic upload, thank you so much ALEX MOLT!
@Quotenwagnerianer
@Quotenwagnerianer 3 жыл бұрын
Quick people, save this somewhere on your HD. Hyperion Records is famous for not wanting to have any form of their proprieties floating around on KZbin and this will get a copyright strike in no time.
@grantgayle9212
@grantgayle9212 3 жыл бұрын
Right??? I was very shocked to see this content on YT.
@BjornHegstad
@BjornHegstad 3 жыл бұрын
Or pay to buy a recording to support their work.
@davidxpopescu
@davidxpopescu Жыл бұрын
Still being able to listen after 1 year tho 😅
@Isegawa2001
@Isegawa2001 Жыл бұрын
@@BjornHegstad I'd rather pirate
@MiklosVeszpremi
@MiklosVeszpremi Жыл бұрын
Or you just pay Hyperion a few bucks so they keep being able to finance such awesome recordings? 🧐
@modernetude5750
@modernetude5750 Жыл бұрын
Thank you very much for sharing this. I didn't expect this etude to be satisfying to hear like this. I think that Hamelin has reached a transcendental level.
@WesCoastPiano
@WesCoastPiano 3 жыл бұрын
Superb astounding collection
@Dtiaah
@Dtiaah 10 ай бұрын
Thank you so much for this post. He is a gigantic talent combined with being a kind and genuine person, a rarity to be admired and cherished. Like these performances and, I suspect, you. Again, thank you.
@waynesmith6784
@waynesmith6784 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you, Godowsky playing these great pieces ha made my evening.
@JuNoKun1
@JuNoKun1 3 жыл бұрын
You understand this is not Godowsky playing, right?
@waynesmith6784
@waynesmith6784 3 жыл бұрын
Yes , meant these great Godowsky pieces! I m not good at anything digital! I do love Godowsky playing tho.
@dd8436
@dd8436 9 ай бұрын
I've been listening to this for 2 years and every time I listen to it I'm surprised how it survived from Hyperion... Anyway thanks for the upload :)
@christopherczajasager9030
@christopherczajasager9030 3 жыл бұрын
AWESOME playing
@Nonconform14
@Nonconform14 2 ай бұрын
best Pianist this time
@CatkhosruShapurrjiFurabji
@CatkhosruShapurrjiFurabji 2 жыл бұрын
The étude at 58:03 is such a pleasure to listen to! It has already beat the original version! But as a whole, both the original works and Godowsky's arrangements are equally good to me.
@jamesorr6537
@jamesorr6537 2 жыл бұрын
Yes, but I listen to other music of Godowski's, and it's just not as good. These pieces have Chopin's bones in them, and that helps a lot.
@NikiL2134
@NikiL2134 2 жыл бұрын
@@jamesorr6537 Java suite, Passacaglia?
@imdarealani
@imdarealani Жыл бұрын
@@NikiL2134 And the sonata.
@bloba6969
@bloba6969 Жыл бұрын
​@NikiL2134 his symphonic metamorphosises are pretty good too
@canman5060
@canman5060 2 жыл бұрын
Godowsky is working the left hand to the absolute ultimate.
@jackcurley1591
@jackcurley1591 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the vid!!! Hope it stays up
@JamesSmith-mw7ps
@JamesSmith-mw7ps 2 жыл бұрын
I am very thankful for the fact that someone was able to record this at such a high level, but I feel like there are untapped musical potential in these studies. Hamelin’s playing is very smooth and flowery, but I think these pieces would sound even better with stricter tempo and more definition (like Pollini’s Chopin etudes).
@Varooooooom
@Varooooooom 2 жыл бұрын
You should hear Robert Henry’s performances available on KZbin
@Xyriak
@Xyriak Жыл бұрын
Some of these are really insane and incredibly taxing.
@dan_thepianoman4401
@dan_thepianoman4401 3 жыл бұрын
This is how I imagine chopin played them before writing them down
@paolofranceschi6874
@paolofranceschi6874 Жыл бұрын
Amazing. Even more... ❤
@Korzhovkomposer
@Korzhovkomposer 9 ай бұрын
Шикарно)
@canman5060
@canman5060 2 жыл бұрын
I really have no idea how to begin in approaching these exceedingly difficult etudes after the Appasionata !
@carryfreak5059
@carryfreak5059 Жыл бұрын
Very slowly
@davidrds
@davidrds 2 жыл бұрын
This is insane! Really amazing.
@akelofgren9468
@akelofgren9468 Жыл бұрын
As always fascinated that every pianist take nr1 Waterfalletyd so easily in right hands something giant ' liep ':intervall as that their right hand is round:'ball' as it use to be,these pieces becomes more difficult. Ballad scherzo pianoconsertos Chopins also what l can see leading in hardness,beauty(opinion is varieted
@angelobonacci461
@angelobonacci461 Жыл бұрын
Grandissimo virtuoso,ma ricordiamoci che il primo studio di chopin nonostante ci siano meno note che nella versione di godoski non è meno difficile perché comunque nella versione di chopin concentra di più il virtuosismo nella mano destra ed è più veloce e non c'è il cambio nelle estensioni rischiose ma devi allargare di continuo le dita..
@CaringCommentator
@CaringCommentator 11 ай бұрын
no 34 1:50:05 may be one of my favourites for a solo program filler with a more relaxed atmosphere (obv. aside from 45 and .. )
@akelofgren9468
@akelofgren9468 Жыл бұрын
Bravo Godofsky Hamelin in greatness such as Lisitsa even Chopin would be jelous
@dd8436
@dd8436 3 ай бұрын
1:40:18 Polonaise 1:50:08 Mazurka
@michaelloew522
@michaelloew522 Жыл бұрын
bro wanted to practice his left hand by itself so that it was as good as his right hand
@RaptorT1V
@RaptorT1V 3 жыл бұрын
О даа, Шопен-Годовски !
@MS-wn3my
@MS-wn3my 6 ай бұрын
Не, оригинал в разы лучше. Тут какая-то мазня, мешанина из нот. А у Шопена, как у Моцарта, нот ровно столько, сколько нужно. Нет ни одной недостающей или одной лишней ноты !❤
@alexmolt
@alexmolt 6 ай бұрын
А мне нравится как оригинал, так и эта версия. Не стоит эту версию воспринимать как "замену" оригинальным. Я бы воспринимал, как "полёт фантазии на тему...", обрамлённый усложнённой технической/полифонической/ритмической/ "леворучной"/какой угодно задачей. Почему бы и нет? Создавая что-то "новое"из гениального "старого", композитор только восхваляет оригинал, но никак не пытается создать что-то "в разы лучше". А "мазню и мешанину из нот" не слышу, как раз благодаря гениальному пианисту Марку Андрэ Амлену. Запись вышла потрясающей. Даже только чисто с технической точки зрения, сам факт того, что он смог охватить весь цикл - уму непостижимо. Какой невероятный труд и талант...
@adrianwright8685
@adrianwright8685 Жыл бұрын
The technical difficulty is such that it's hardly surprising nobody else has ever attempted these as a complete set.
@Varooooooom
@Varooooooom Жыл бұрын
Francesco Libetta has played the full set in concert, Carlo Grante has 2 full sets of studio recordings, Emanuele Delucchi has a studio recording of the full set, and David Stanhope has played all of them except the nouvelle/combination arrangements. EDIT: That being said, Hamelin probably still has the most stand-out performances.
@adrianwright8685
@adrianwright8685 Жыл бұрын
@@Varooooooom Thanks for the information. There are so many top class pianists out there you wonder how they all manage to earn a living!
@universeforest5386
@universeforest5386 2 жыл бұрын
I feel @ No,48 is wonderful of op10-11 and op25-3.
@CarmenReyes-em9np
@CarmenReyes-em9np 2 жыл бұрын
No sabía que los Estudios 😃 fuéran Hamelín.
@gretareinarsson7461
@gretareinarsson7461 3 жыл бұрын
It’s close to a superhuman pianism by Hamelin and worth listening for that. However I have always found this a rather boring thing musically. Basically just more notes and complexity.
@deadlysquad13
@deadlysquad13 2 жыл бұрын
With more notes and bigger complexity come new lovely voices) No. 25 with 4 voices for me is one of the best as it transforms Chopin`s work with more colors. Also some of the studies show etudes in a new light: more lyrical Op. 10 No. 1 - Godowsky`s No. 2, more dramatic Op. 25 No. 12 - Godowsky`s No. 43.
@violadamore2-bu2ch
@violadamore2-bu2ch Жыл бұрын
I can't read the music fast enough to listen !!!!!
@gentle_goy23432
@gentle_goy23432 6 ай бұрын
Hard
@JZL2080
@JZL2080 2 ай бұрын
Godowsky expanded difficulty from Chopin, it is super virtuostic. Rare pianists play them.😂
@Paroles_et_Musique
@Paroles_et_Musique 18 күн бұрын
Actually the original etudes, at least the most difficult ones, are much harder than the Godowsky adds. Paradoxically.
@user-ol7ec8xw6c
@user-ol7ec8xw6c 9 ай бұрын
❤️🎶❤️🎶❤️🎶❤️🎶❤️🎶❤️🎶❤️🎶❤️🎶❤️🎶❤️🎶❤️🎶❤️🎶❤️🎶❤️🎶❤️🎶❤️🎶❤️🎶❤️🎶❤️🎶❤️
@alexanderbayramov2626
@alexanderbayramov2626 2 жыл бұрын
Based Godowsky Based M.A.Hamelin Based alexmolt
@alexkim4636
@alexkim4636 3 жыл бұрын
💖💖💖💖🎵🎵🎵🎵💣👍😘😍
@Piratebreadstick
@Piratebreadstick 3 жыл бұрын
Jesus.
@akelofgren9468
@akelofgren9468 2 жыл бұрын
Dubbel RH Waterfalletyd first thanks Godofsky, Chopin would be stunned, and imagine op25 nr6, winterwindetyd
@akelofgren9468
@akelofgren9468 2 жыл бұрын
Revolutionary etyd with octavas in left hand Liszt and l did it. Almost easier as the usual and tempo wasn't bad it is Okey l say really
@PointyTailofSatan
@PointyTailofSatan 26 күн бұрын
How good was Godowsky? Rachmaninov's daughter said her father thought Godowsky was some kind of technical God of the piano. BTW: if you would like some other examples of Godowsky's genius, check these out: kzbin.info/www/bejne/onXEmamCnZJnbJIsi=yJUPs8kFCVdUw0zd kzbin.info/www/bejne/nGHRnX2OpNR8jMUsi=_utExAvWiWduWzw3
@user-se4ck8tv7w
@user-se4ck8tv7w 2 жыл бұрын
This is what must not exist on the earth!!! So dangerous to our mind!! But i love this so much:)
@canman5060
@canman5060 2 жыл бұрын
The winter wind etude is a lot lot more difficult in this transcription than the original by Chopin.
@adrianwright8685
@adrianwright8685 Жыл бұрын
These are not "transcriptions", they are complete re-workings of the originals and in almost every case they are technically much harder - that really was the main idea!
@dreamsdreams9493
@dreamsdreams9493 2 жыл бұрын
Didn't Maestro Hamelin himself say that Ignis Fatuus is the hardest of the whole set??
@alexmolt
@alexmolt 2 жыл бұрын
i don't know
@danyjamous5986
@danyjamous5986 2 жыл бұрын
15:34 : so frustrating, all the build up vanishes
@wilh3lmmusic
@wilh3lmmusic 2 жыл бұрын
1:34:27
@CarmenReyes-em9np
@CarmenReyes-em9np 2 жыл бұрын
Quién es este extrañ
@redeemerofcasuality1722
@redeemerofcasuality1722 2 жыл бұрын
Next level shit right here
@CarmenReyes-em9np
@CarmenReyes-em9np 2 жыл бұрын
Nadie sabe quién ese Hamelín. 😔
@alexmolt
@alexmolt 2 жыл бұрын
es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marc-Andr%C3%A9_Hamelin
@user-se4ck8tv7w
@user-se4ck8tv7w 2 жыл бұрын
Godowsky is the most handsome man on thumbnail right??
@PointyTailofSatan
@PointyTailofSatan Жыл бұрын
Funny to realize that if one mastered Godowsky's etudes, then the actual Chopin etudes would be easy! lol
@alexmolt
@alexmolt 9 ай бұрын
I think... yes, and no. Fewer notes ≠ easier to play.
@Paroles_et_Musique
@Paroles_et_Musique 18 күн бұрын
@@alexmolt Exactly, the original are still harder, the Godowsky adds allow to cheat around. Harder to learn but easier to perform.
@SpaghettiToaster
@SpaghettiToaster 2 жыл бұрын
Hyperion is going to nuke this video from orbit.
@SpaghettiToaster
@SpaghettiToaster 2 жыл бұрын
@Miraak They are generally the most aggressive label when it comes to uploads of their music. Honestly, it's a miracle that this one is still up.
@SpaghettiToaster
@SpaghettiToaster 2 жыл бұрын
@Miraak The score might be in the public domain (not sure about Godowsky though), but the recording of course isn't. I wouldn't call them rats, since it's their right to block people from listening to their records without paying, after all, Hamelin and the other Hyperion artists and engineers need to be paid for their work. But most labels choose to just simply monetize people's videos of their music, which allows them to make money off of it and people still to watch the videos. But Hyperion are extremely draconic about it, they also don't believe in music streaming which is why their recordings aren't on any platform like spotify, so whenever they see an upload of their products, they usually go apeshit and have it deleted immediately, which is a bit scummy in my opinion.
@SpaghettiToaster
@SpaghettiToaster 2 жыл бұрын
@Miraak Of course he is, just not allowed to upload recordings he made for the Hyperion label, since they have the rights to them. This video for example clearly violates Hyperion's copyright, since we're listening to the album for free instead of paying 30 bucks for their digital download. However, I personally still think the benefit of people watching these score videos, learning about the music for the first time and later possibly buying the recordings to get them in higher audio quality far outweighs the loss.
@Varooooooom
@Varooooooom 2 жыл бұрын
I’m shocked it’s still up lol
@rravvia
@rravvia 2 ай бұрын
Frankendowsky's monsters. Horrible.
@akelofgren9468
@akelofgren9468 3 жыл бұрын
Chopin so lucky to be pure personal life in all forms and not pressed by others getting fake identity fake life in a time many makes competition in to be as stupid as possible
@aakarshitsingh1535
@aakarshitsingh1535 3 жыл бұрын
?
@Lennythewinner
@Lennythewinner Жыл бұрын
Great exercises in how to wreck beautiful Chopin for the sake of having to prove that "anything anyone else can do, I can do better".
@Varooooooom
@Varooooooom 6 ай бұрын
So you admit these are better than Chopin’s works…?
@barejon2733
@barejon2733 Жыл бұрын
cursed
@simeonbogdanov3010
@simeonbogdanov3010 2 жыл бұрын
Original Chopin is better
@collinm.4652
@collinm.4652 2 жыл бұрын
@Miraak stop comparing godowskys innovation with chopins, then maybe you’ll enjoy them a bit more.
@collinm.4652
@collinm.4652 2 жыл бұрын
@Miraak my point was that they are not meant to sound like Chopin. They are meant to extend on Chopins genius through counterpoint and different textures. Of course something written anything other than Chopin isn’t going to sound like Chopin lol. However you are not totally incorrect In disliking the music as music is subjective and not everyone likes what u like, there is nothing u can do about that. It’s quite detailed music if u understand it, all the stuff going on behind the scenes can make it easy to make it sound messy and I can totally see where u may not like it.
@composerjalen
@composerjalen Жыл бұрын
@Miraak Wow Godowsky sounds nothing like Chopin, that's crazy bro, great observation
@oritdrimer4354
@oritdrimer4354 7 күн бұрын
No
@rravvia
@rravvia 3 жыл бұрын
I really hate these pieces.
@khalilmutallibov
@khalilmutallibov 3 жыл бұрын
why? because of their difficulty?
@rravvia
@rravvia 3 жыл бұрын
@@khalilmutallibov They after perfect in their original form. These arrangements, while amazing, mess with perfection.
@rravvia
@rravvia 3 жыл бұрын
@Brady Dill I still hate them.
@paulstrickler5684
@paulstrickler5684 2 жыл бұрын
Tom, stick to your guns - how you feel about Godowsky's work is just as valid as anyone else’s.
@rravvia
@rravvia 2 жыл бұрын
@@paulstrickler5684 Thanks.
@Whatismusic123
@Whatismusic123 2 жыл бұрын
alot of times godowsky just adds a bunch of notes with no real meaning and they are just badly implemented tbh
@Whatismusic123
@Whatismusic123 2 жыл бұрын
@Felis Skalkotris Sorabjitus use your ears
@Whatismusic123
@Whatismusic123 2 жыл бұрын
@Dhruva Punde how the fuck do I show you examples or prove that? I just think he makes the music often times dissonant for no reason or makes a bunch of notes go really fast even though a single chord would suffice, the writer of these pieces is more of a pianist, not a composer
@dd8436
@dd8436 2 жыл бұрын
ㄴㄱㅁ
@dd8436
@dd8436 2 жыл бұрын
하나 집어서 예를 들어주라니까 말도못하고 인신공격만 하노 ㅋㅋ
@Whatismusic123
@Whatismusic123 2 жыл бұрын
@Felis Skalkotris Sorabjitus was I speaking about his pieces or was I speaking about the chopin etudes in this video? The latter it is, so my point still stands that godowsky in these etudes adds unnecessary dissonances and lengthens chords into arpeggios or whatever else for no real purpose other than the feeling of complexity or difficulty
@kallehed6330
@kallehed6330 3 жыл бұрын
Man, Godowsky should have made more variation-form style pieces. edit: Man godowsky you can't just add more notes, just because you add 2 extra lines playing the same chords doesn't make the composition better, just try to say more with less edit 2: man, godowsky now you're literally just taking everything I love about Chopin and throwing it in the dumpster, why? edit 3: Ok, I get it, you're such a bad composer the only thing you can do is flip the right and left hands of Chopin etudes and call them "studies" edit 4: OK , you're left hand version of the octaves etude is actually a better version lol, I'll give you credit for this one, because that etude usually sucks to listen too
@Varooooooom
@Varooooooom 2 жыл бұрын
Dude… cringe. He’s not trying to make the studies better. He’s making his own versions of them with a focus on left hand technique. Also, he understood that less is more. There are MANY points where he could’ve simply beefed up the music with more notes if that’s really what he wanted to do. He was exploring different harmonies and thus exploring the Chopin etudes in new flavors. It doesn’t work for me all the time either, BUT HEY IF YOU WANNA LISTEN TO THE ORIGINAL CHOPIN ETUDES, THERE’S A MILLION PERFORMANCES OF THEM THAT ARE PERFECTLY PLAIN AND UNTAMPERED WITH. The Chopin etudes are not “ruined” by these studies’ mere existence. If you can’t take the time to understand what Godowsky’s intentions were here, then stfu lmao.
@kallehed6330
@kallehed6330 2 жыл бұрын
@@Varooooooom based
@Manx123
@Manx123 Жыл бұрын
Ugh. So many of these are messy, and most other recordings aren't much better. If Hamelin of all people couldn't make clean recordings of these, I'm led to believe that these pieces just aren't worth learning, since the are plenty of works, even virtuosic ones, that are immensely easier. Some of the most difficult works here, especially ones that do little more than transfer the difficulties from the right to the lend hand, aren't even effective showpieces, since the audience can't really perceived how monstrously more difficult it is to play what would otherwise be fairly difficult for the right hand on the left.
@nickm6928
@nickm6928 Жыл бұрын
I think you got it in you to record all of these.
@Manx123
@Manx123 Жыл бұрын
@@nickm6928 is that supposed to be sarcasm?
@nickm6928
@nickm6928 Жыл бұрын
@@Manx123 No
@Manx123
@Manx123 Жыл бұрын
@@nickm6928 Well, that's an ridiculous thing to seriously say. Some of the best pianists in the world have unsuccessfully tried these pieces, and I'm just some random KZbin commenter pointing this out.
@nickm6928
@nickm6928 Жыл бұрын
@@Manx123 not with that attitude
@alejandrotamiojr7128
@alejandrotamiojr7128 2 жыл бұрын
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