Chopin Nocturne in Bb minor, Op. 9 no. 1: MUSIC OF THE NIGHT - Analysis

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@stork64
@stork64 Жыл бұрын
Dear Henrik! Despite being an enemy for simplified editions of masterpieces your argumentation convinced me so much so I just purchased your edtion. Thank you very much and keep doing this wonderful series!
@SonataSecrets
@SonataSecrets Жыл бұрын
Thank you for purchasing it! I do understand the reaction of resistance, and I think it's only possible to do any sort of justice for a small subset of repertoire where the value lies mostly in slow melodies that can be kept intact.
@dorian2758
@dorian2758 Жыл бұрын
I think Chopin’s use of IVm chord in this piece is one of the most beautiful modal interchange chords in music history.
@luisamarante2110
@luisamarante2110 Жыл бұрын
My Favorite Nocturne from Chopin
@PeterYiffin
@PeterYiffin Жыл бұрын
And to think I hadn't bothered to listen to Op.9 No.1 (because of No.2's immense popularity) until now. Excellent stuff
@jtbasener8740
@jtbasener8740 Жыл бұрын
I have not regretted my subscription to this channel. As both an amature composer and a performer, I always find these analysis videos incredibly inspiring and fascinating! Thank you!
@SonataSecrets
@SonataSecrets Жыл бұрын
Thasnk you so much!
@GuntherWolfen
@GuntherWolfen Жыл бұрын
You've made me remind why I loved Chopin when I listened to this nocturne for the first time. What a sensitive playing. Very tasteful, Henrik
@dr.seesaw8894
@dr.seesaw8894 Жыл бұрын
I remember first discovering this channel about a year ago and binging so many of your videos on Chopin and Scriabin. I was surprised to find that you'd hadn't yet made a video about the Bb minor nocturne, so it's nice to finally see a vid on this!
@Henri.d.Olivoir
@Henri.d.Olivoir Жыл бұрын
Oh, I was waiting for Chopin on the channel again! :D
@christopherzimmer
@christopherzimmer Жыл бұрын
Truly phenomenal harmonic analysis- very helpful and not like anything you’ll find anywhere else!! Thank you so so much! I very much appreciate the detailed teaching and instruction especially on the minor key harmonics.
@kurainaru
@kurainaru Жыл бұрын
One of the first pieces I've learned, maybe it's time to revisit and polish it back up again. I always appreciate the harmonic analysis!
@sukholmes1066
@sukholmes1066 Жыл бұрын
This is the only channel that I DON'T skip commercials!!! ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤
@dereklarsen
@dereklarsen Ай бұрын
Oh...does that help the channel?? Did not know.
@jonathansprout22
@jonathansprout22 Жыл бұрын
What a great analysis of a stunning composition. I love how Chopin twists and turns through the melody. Surprises abound.
@patriciaedwards3909
@patriciaedwards3909 Жыл бұрын
This is incredible. Having bought your 'easier' version of this, having difficulty playing it, I thought I would search to see if you gave any pointers and I found this. Voila!!!!! As always, you are such a tremendous source of help. I have more confidence now to tackle this fabulous nocturne.
@SonataSecrets
@SonataSecrets Жыл бұрын
Yes, this was one where I did the arrangement before the analysis (there are a few left without analysis but I have done for most by now!) I understand, in general the Volume 3 isn't the easiest since it's all quite big pieces. I don't know which version you're using but I would recommend the "Easy Key" in A minor as a first tip. I think you'll get used to the tonality while playing it, but of course the chords here will be wrong... Otherwise it's just like learning any other piece, break it up into smaller sections and having patience with practice over time might still be needed for such pieces, even in my Intermediate arrangements.
@edgarsnake2857
@edgarsnake2857 Жыл бұрын
I may now try to tackle this piece I have long admired. Thanks for the detailed lesson.
@STERNWAERTS
@STERNWAERTS Жыл бұрын
this is so great. i'm not a pianist myself, unfortunately; and i actually don't know and listen to a lot of classical music. but i have loved chopin's nocturnes for half of my life, i am now 30. as a highly sensitive person music like this hits hard and deep, too, so this was very captivating and moving. actually seeing what's being played as well as the sheet music is a wonderful addition. you're a great performer and presenter, i love your calm and warm energy. i really need to hear some of chopin's nocturnes live some day. but i'm afraid i will be crying my heart out then (as i did when i saw lord of the rings with the orchestra and choir) ...
@SonataSecrets
@SonataSecrets Жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for the comment!
@PinPointEye00
@PinPointEye00 4 ай бұрын
Your love of the music shining through your wonderfully demonstrated tuition has fired the embers of my love of the piano. My piano practice stopped recently because of another commitment, but I am once more drawn to it. Chopin's magical notes are calling to me again.
@briantaguilar7512
@briantaguilar7512 2 ай бұрын
The melody is so beautiful I’m learning this
@leowald1
@leowald1 6 ай бұрын
Dear Henrik! Many thanks for your musical advice on how to play this piece. It was of great help. Regarding the nonmusical contents of the music I have the following impressions. The Nocturne Op. 9 No. 1 is a truly captivating piece of music. In this work, Chopin shows many characteristics typical of impressionism in the music. It begins with him half-asleep, as a melody from his youth comes to mind (part 1). As part 1 concludes, he falls into a deeper sleep and starts dreaming. The memories become less distinct than in part 1, making the music more mysterious and primarily in the bass and tenor ranges since they are not so clear. Different harmonies represent different memories, appearing randomly without a clear musical direction, as the memories spontaneously come into mind. There are recollections of mazurka dances, sometimes vivid, sometimes faint, like echoes. Memories of horns (and horses) also emerge. Eventually, the memories fade, and the melody from part 1 returns. At this point, he has finished dreaming. Chopin masterfully illustrates the nature of dreams and memories in this nocturne.
@Mitchellyap12
@Mitchellyap12 Жыл бұрын
You should try to analyze Chopins 3rd ballade. I absolutely love that piece.
@Zgez
@Zgez Жыл бұрын
and the second, and the 4th
@Swamp72
@Swamp72 Жыл бұрын
@@gnomulous5544I second you thirding this
@SonataSecrets
@SonataSecrets Жыл бұрын
we'll see about that.... in the meantime, I can give you a recording of it from a really long time ago (when I was still a student...) kzbin.info/www/bejne/Z2eXo4V9arZ6ha8
@groaman
@groaman Жыл бұрын
Yeah, so would I! There is no "easy" way of getting out of that last coda...no way. You must have the technique to play it.
@charlesvanderhoog7056
@charlesvanderhoog7056 Жыл бұрын
Bars 3, 11 and 73 are easy if your hands are sufficiently independent. Otherwise, read a Chopin book about it. Chopin seldom played left and right synchronously. One pupil reported that once Chopin's right hand was HALF a bar behind his left hand. However, Chopin said that the left hand is the stable rhythm "like a metronome". He also talks about pivot fingers which makes playing the left hand much easier. You see, this first nocturne is an easy one, only its interpretation, i.e. to make it really sing, is the hard part.
@Sonoio-tz9hb
@Sonoio-tz9hb Жыл бұрын
I am studying this, and this video has help me. Thank you so much
@KINIONBEATS
@KINIONBEATS Жыл бұрын
luv ya heinrich....been waiting for this one... best one yet...and they are all amazing
@margarethansen7480
@margarethansen7480 Жыл бұрын
Marvelous ❤as always your work analysing these beautiful nocturnes! Thank you so much👏👏👏
@grandpaears8746
@grandpaears8746 4 ай бұрын
Took me 2+ years to learn this, at 72 years of age. I took heart from a microbiologist (?) who used to be a concert pianist, and who said the best way to learn something difficult is to practise it until it becomes easy 🙃 Mind you, when asked how he relaxes, he said that he goes home and plays something easy, like Chopin.
@ukeedge2761
@ukeedge2761 11 ай бұрын
These cords are straight from heaven.
@Eindebaas
@Eindebaas Жыл бұрын
Been waiting for this one from you for a while, thank you kindly. Keep up the great work!
@Barrosgestioninmobiliaria
@Barrosgestioninmobiliaria 9 ай бұрын
Disfruto mucho tus videos, me alegran la vida. Muchas gracias!
@djtomt
@djtomt Жыл бұрын
These videos are entertaining, educational, and inspirational! Thank you!
@leszek9037
@leszek9037 5 ай бұрын
I've been playing the first polyrythms for smth like 2 hours back to back. Got just a little bit better at it, but now i play everything else with ease comparing to how hard they feel. I just decided to move on and now I'm learning the next pages while still sometimes practicing polyrythms, i hope to get them some day
@handznet
@handznet Жыл бұрын
Another great video. The problem with this nocturne for me aside from overly complicated polyrhythms at the beginning is that the most beautiful part - d flat major theme is played once and then the most of the piece is taken by the quite repetitive passage lasting too long.
@mathewkuruvilla5022
@mathewkuruvilla5022 5 ай бұрын
Excellent analysis, as always. Thank you so much🙂
@jonnierman3954
@jonnierman3954 7 ай бұрын
Love the new setup you have!
@alexyork9917
@alexyork9917 5 ай бұрын
A small point that I would have added is that the switch to Bb major at the very end sets up the transition to the second Nocturne in Eb perfectly. I imagine that this was a deliberate move by Chopin.
@spacedoctor5620
@spacedoctor5620 Жыл бұрын
One of my favorite sneaky bits in this nocturne is the “coda” of the B section with the horn fifths. The left hand is exactly the same figuration that Chopin used for op 27 no 1, but an octave lower and a completely different effect and feeling
@2174863
@2174863 Жыл бұрын
when i first started learning this piece I was a beginner, i learnt the polyrhythms very quickly i found the hardest part was the B section with the octaves
@SonataSecrets
@SonataSecrets Жыл бұрын
that's interesting! I was also young when I first played it, but I suppose I had got the hang of some octave technique then, becuase I remember the outer parts as harder.
@frankg2630
@frankg2630 5 ай бұрын
I have to agree with you. If you practise the left hand to the extent that it becomes automatic, playing the 11-note right hand freely over the top isn't so hard. Conversely, the right hand octaves in the middle section are a technical challenge to those of us with smaller hands. You need to play them legato (without relying on the pedal of course, which is articulating the bass), so you're always working the fourth and fifth fingers to make a smooth slur of the top notes. But this piece is so beautiful that you soon forget the discomfort.
@sylviapaul6844
@sylviapaul6844 3 ай бұрын
Beautiful explanation ❤
@szllm
@szllm Жыл бұрын
Very nice analysis, thank you, it's the nocturne I'm always coming back to playing. I wouldn't say smorzando and morendo are the same though. I understand morendo as the slow dying out, usually at the end of a piece (Grieg has many of these), while smorzando is more of a quenching, like how you use it in modern Italian where it has no connotation with dying despite the etymology. I'd say smorzando has much less ritardando and is mostly about "turning down the volume".
@SonataSecrets
@SonataSecrets Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the input, interesting to hear the perspective of an Italian speaker. There might be differences in nuances I haven't considered enough, but the general idea is often clear in the musical context where they are used. Also calando strikes me as yet another similar phrase, what's your take on that?
@szllm
@szllm Жыл бұрын
​@@SonataSecrets It's actually my wife who is the native speaker.. and I think it was with this nocturne that I asked her about the precise meaning of smorzando (because it appears several times), to which she responded with the above. Calando I would interpret as something in-between. But yeah, it's all nuances and up to context and interpretation, and who knows how these expressions were meant/used 200 years ago..
@موسيقىالزمنالجميل-ص5س
@موسيقىالزمنالجميل-ص5س Ай бұрын
Thanks alot for the explanation 😮
@groaman
@groaman Жыл бұрын
Thia like attempting the recapitulation in the Op. 48, No 1. There is no way to justify its intended form if all of the notes and subtlities if the aren't all represented. I'm sorry about being critical. You are a wonderful guy!
@dereklarsen
@dereklarsen Ай бұрын
Anybody else hear the inspiration for Hotel California first part of this masterpiece?
@jeremystephenson5990
@jeremystephenson5990 10 ай бұрын
So good thank you very very much
@charlesvanderhoog7056
@charlesvanderhoog7056 Жыл бұрын
re 08:19 The flat sixth, here the G flat, is known as the church note or church chord. It never fails to evoke some sentimental emotion. Like the flat third and flat fifth in blues, the flat sixth is necessary to get to that emotion. Chopin uses it here. Debussy uses it in Gradus ad Parnassum liberally and it never fails to evoke some melancholic sentiment. It is a trick any professional composer and improviser should know. I wonder how they found it. It never encountered it with Mozart or Beethoven so it must be something found around 1830.
@bifeldman
@bifeldman Жыл бұрын
Very thoughtful.
@simonjuelhansen3910
@simonjuelhansen3910 7 ай бұрын
Thank you very much for sharing your insight on this nocturne. It is much appreciated. Do you have tutorials on Schumann's Des Abends and Von fremden Ländern und Menschen?
@SonataSecrets
@SonataSecrets 7 ай бұрын
Thanks! I cover Ländern und Menschen briefly in this: kzbin.info/www/bejne/sITZoKdrbKabo80 Haven't done Des Abends unfortunately.
@jihadhamwi
@jihadhamwi 7 ай бұрын
Super ,thanks a lot❤
@nickyonghan5200
@nickyonghan5200 Жыл бұрын
Very useful and helpful video, it helps me a lot 😊By any chance would you do an analysis on Debussy Arabesque no.2?
@hmandellhmandell6592
@hmandellhmandell6592 Жыл бұрын
thank you great stuff
@sukholmes1066
@sukholmes1066 Жыл бұрын
Thanks!
@sukholmes1066
@sukholmes1066 Жыл бұрын
Thank you as always. It's amazing that I could learn from you in my own home without flying 5000+ miles! I thought I was signed up for patronage.... Am I able to use super thank you for a contribution for your work? Suk Holmes, from California
@SonataSecrets
@SonataSecrets Жыл бұрын
Thank you Suk! Of course, a Super thanks is always deeply appreciated! You did join the Patreon program too, but after some time it said "declined", and I tried to send an e-mail in late spring, but it seems Patreon is not too good at dealing with these issues since I've had several of them. Might be due to an expired bank card or some other reason, I'm not sure... Anyway, appreciate that you are here!
@sukholmes1066
@sukholmes1066 Жыл бұрын
@@SonataSecrets I'm not sure how to find super thanks....
@SonataSecrets
@SonataSecrets Жыл бұрын
It should be the heart with the $ sign underneath the video.
@sukholmes1066
@sukholmes1066 Жыл бұрын
Able to use PayPal for monthly contribution. Thank you for your great work! ❤❤❤❤❤
@SonataSecrets
@SonataSecrets Жыл бұрын
I see that, thanks again! ❤️
@Phaseish
@Phaseish Жыл бұрын
KING i can't wait till f minor nocturne XD. IF this is a keyboard sounds great is this a vst?
@MeowItsGhazt
@MeowItsGhazt Жыл бұрын
Great reading and interpreting! Can you show the page #'s in the videos? Would be great; thank you tons for the sound.
@cesardiezv
@cesardiezv Жыл бұрын
Pages can vary from one edition to another.
@SonataSecrets
@SonataSecrets Жыл бұрын
Yes, sorry, since I cut up the pages into two lines at a time there isn't really a natural way to keep it. Often it's quite clear, but unfortunately in this middle section it can be hard to orient oneself in all the repetitions!
@AEMBowers
@AEMBowers 6 ай бұрын
I don't understand why everyone seems to ommit the middle b flat in the final arpeggiated chord, even though the score clearly shows it (i.e., everyone seems to play only 5 of the notes, not all 6).
@patricwalker3551
@patricwalker3551 Жыл бұрын
Cool. You have so few videos and your quality years ago was not up to modern. Typing this before I watch it. So I'd like to say I'm a fan. And this is a Big work. So let's see what you got for us.
@SonataSecrets
@SonataSecrets Жыл бұрын
the pressure...
@joaolgg
@joaolgg Жыл бұрын
It would be wonderful a vídeo about Nocturne Op 27 No 2 In D Flat Minor, it's a masterpiece! Can you do it?
@patricwalker3551
@patricwalker3551 Жыл бұрын
Excellent
@sabmat5876
@sabmat5876 10 ай бұрын
Henrik ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤
@mikehughes6582
@mikehughes6582 Ай бұрын
I'm hoping you will simplify nocturne 19, as it's my favorite.
@AEMBowers
@AEMBowers 5 ай бұрын
Why does everyone seem to ommit the middle b flat in the final arpeggiated chord, even though the score clearly shows it (i.e., everyone seems to play only 5 of the notes, not all 6).
@zhihuangxu6551
@zhihuangxu6551 Жыл бұрын
12:28 I usually play this F4 with right hand. To you is this recommended?
@SonataSecrets
@SonataSecrets Жыл бұрын
I don't see a problem with that. Personally I prefer to have the whole figure in one hand there, but in general that's not a rule written in stone.
@yuk_notkim7658
@yuk_notkim7658 Жыл бұрын
Now THIS is a nocturne that I like from Chopin.
@d3l_nev
@d3l_nev Жыл бұрын
Dude, all his nocturnes are godlike, what are you on?
@yuk_notkim7658
@yuk_notkim7658 Жыл бұрын
@@d3l_nev Usually, I don't like Chopin.
@skrjabe_
@skrjabe_ Жыл бұрын
@@yuk_notkim7658😟
@yuk_notkim7658
@yuk_notkim7658 Жыл бұрын
@@skrjabe_ Sorry, he's just one of my least favorite composers, despite what people say about him.
@Dylonely_9274
@Dylonely_9274 Жыл бұрын
Haha
@josesouza9820
@josesouza9820 8 ай бұрын
good initiative but why alter perfection as a Chopin nocturne?
@Эмма-з2й
@Эмма-з2й 10 ай бұрын
🙏🙏🙏
@AndyRubio1
@AndyRubio1 Жыл бұрын
'close of a chapter'?
@SonataSecrets
@SonataSecrets Жыл бұрын
mm, I wrote a long update about it in May: kzbin.infoUgkxn1OjmIvDWvFwtLX_UBxodQ0NaZpdhum5
@jamesrobert4106
@jamesrobert4106 9 ай бұрын
This middle aged beginner can confirm the polyrhythm is difficult 😂
@charlesvanderhoog7056
@charlesvanderhoog7056 Жыл бұрын
Chopin does away with old-school harmonic minor where the descending scale differs from the ascending. The major seventh becomes a minor seventh. For Bbm upward you get a and downward a flat. That was the traditional theory. But who cares for that except the buffs of music before 1820?
@groaman
@groaman Жыл бұрын
Chpoin is rolling over in his grave. The indicated nuances are both indicated and intended, Your teaching and touch are lovely, but please don't dumb-down Chopin for those without the skill to play this.
@josimarsilva8527
@josimarsilva8527 Жыл бұрын
a
@josephbonofiel4762
@josephbonofiel4762 Ай бұрын
I'm sorry , this piece I tried to like . In my mid 50's I can say that I hate this one. Someone please tell me why I hate this and why I hate the second concerto as well.
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