Chopin - Piano Concerto no 3 in A major

The Chopin correspondence is full of hints about a Third Piano Concerto that never surfaced as a complete autograph manuscript. Letters written by the composer, his father, his publishers and pupils all make mention of such a work from late 1830 until 1841. In letters to his publisher, Chopin identified the seldom-performed solo work Allegro de Concert, Op.46, which was eventually published in 1841, as the first movement of his Third Concerto, and is reported to have sent the music to a colleague in Poland saying, "This is the very first piece I shall play in my first concert upon returning home to a free Warsaw." That opportunity unfortunately never came.
The Allegro was most likely composed in the early 1830s, shortly after the two well-known concertos, in F minor and E minor. Its style and structure readily suggest its adaptability to a succession of contrasting solo and orchestral sections mandatory for a concerto of the period. Concertos were occasionally performed in part or whole as solo pieces - at Chopin's Paris debut concert in February 1832 at the Salle Pleyel, he performed the F minor concerto as a solo - and Chopin is thought to have performed the Allegro of the new concerto as a solo at a soiree given by his Paris publisher Maurice Schlesinger in 1834.
Building on these facts, Alan Kogosowski has orchestrated the Allegro de Concert - he is not the first to have done so - also filling out its formal structure with a second subject taken from the introductory section. He has employed an orchestral ensemble identical to Chopin's two published concertos, with the addition of a second trombone. For the finale, Kogosowski made a calculated and educated leap of imagination to choose the glittering Bolero in A minor/major (same key as the Allegro - an unusual one for Chopin), Op.19, which is a solo piece of the same period - 1834 - one that fits into no category, as do virtually all of Chopin's works. It has a rondo form typical of that found in the finale of a concerto, and a ready-made cadenza. It provides a fitting conclusion to a beautiful work that would otherwise have remained unperformed and hardly known.

[@MartineClervoix]

Comment peut on ignorer une telle œuvre ,faut il toujours retomber sur les mêmes œuvres quand les répertoires sont si vastes .tout est à découvrir ,merci KZbin .depuis 60ans j’écoutais les radios nationales qui sont tellement restrictives .comment les jeunes peuvent aimer s’ils n’entendent que la neuvième de Beethoven ou la 40 de Mozart .quel gâchis .je ne parle même pas des basses profondes qui n’existent que dans les oreilles de quelques élites en Russie .

[@stalkerstomper3304]

Don't thank KZbin. Thank the thousands of unknown uploaders that devote their time and efforts to spread this special music to others.

[@tpianist]

Beautiful orchestration! Why doesn't it begin at the start

[@nithinbaiju9027]

Compared to his 1st and 2nd concertos......this is pretty heavily orchestrated which Chopin doesnt often do.....he puts more emphasis on the piano part and uses the orchestra more as an enhancer.....But still its a really good recreation

[@francescoelia.marino]

yes, no way this is the real Chopin -

[@bh1520]

If this piece is out, there will be one more option to play in chopin competition. Won’t be just the first concerto getting most attention. Hmm.

[@T-J-S]

The problem is that this one only has 1 movement and it was orchestrated by someone else

[@enriquesanchez2001]

I find this piece rather charming...and the part that is not Chopin, does not worry me so much as it does other people. The melodies are Chopin's and that is ample consolation for true fans of the master's grand music for the piano.

[@mariusherea1440]

It does not sound bad but it sounds UNDER Chopin's quality and value standards.

[@MiguelTicona]

Is chopin´s allegro de concerto.

[@antonygonzalez1672]

Marius Herea what part of this isn’t Chopin? Other than the orchestration (I’m not familiar with his op.46)

[@harisaro]

If you are trying to say that somebody has tried to imitate Chopin s music I must say that he has done a damn good job. Imitation is the best form of flattery.

[@Spyrine]

you have to change the title to clarify it's an orchestration of the allegro de concert

[@Chopin1995]

I recommend to everyone Ingolf Wunder's recording of his own orchestration. To me that's the best version of this lovely piece out there. Even better than the piano solo original, and I'm writing this while Chopin is a god to me, my favourite composer forever.

[@boris4180]

nice and wonderful piece concerto no3...chopin was very precious..!

[@MrJokerjames]

Alan Kogosowski's reconstruction this work and Orchestra by Detroit Symphony Orchestra & Neeme Jarvi conducted in 150th Commemoration Year

[@Jani-km5ki]

ein absolut gelungenes Konzert, genial von Neeme Järvi+ Philh.Orch. Detroit und Alan Kogosowski umgesetzt. Es steht den beiden vollendeten Klavierkonzerten in nichts nach. Es ist nur schwer daranzukommen. Über den Link von Alan Kogosowski gibt es eine CD zu kaufen. Leider ist die Aufnahmequalität nicht optimal, aber die Musik ist überirdisch.

[@VenomPianoman]

Obviously it's basically Allegro de Concert, but with the 1st movement of his 3rd Sonata's and Grand Polonaise Brillante's themes infused. And the Bolero is not here. The ending is very much so Allego de Concert's. But it's not here, anywhere from what I can tell. If it is, it's been severely mangled lol

[@comet8864]

This is a groups of samples stitched together from the Kogosowski website, which does not make the beginning or the 2nd movement (Bolero) and 3rd movements available to listen to. But the CD can be purchased on Kogosowski's website.

[@epicsam12345]

www.kogosowski.com/chopin-piano-concerto-3/ Here you can find the same excerpts of the music presented here

[@monolyth421]

This is quite an heroic sounding piece.

[@MiguelTicona]

yeah and i like it

[@caspiandamari1046]

InstaBlaster...

[@SCRIABINIST]

@@caspiandamari1046 Skibidi toilet

[@chaimstrossberg3895]

i love you chopin.thank you for your music.heven. Happy

[@larssmeets773]

This is not chopin tho, but chopin is one god in composing ;)

[@T-J-S]

@@larssmeets773 This is chopin, the orchestration is not

[@larssmeets773]

@@T-J-S Tell me which piece from chopin it is? Because I cant remember chopin having 3 piano concerto xD

[@T-J-S]

@@larssmeets773 I will correct myself, the piano part is made of pieces by Chopin, mostly Allegro de Concert Op 46 which was in fact supposed to be Concerto 3. The orchestration was written by someone else.

[@larssmeets773]

@@T-J-S Yeah I already thought something like that :)

[@Jani-km5ki]

Ich habe diesen Ausschnitt des Konzerts eher zufällig gefunden und über die Website von Herrn Kogosowski die CD mit dem gesamten Konzert bestellt. Der hier vorgestellte Teil stammt aus dem 1.Satz (Adagio op.46), die Nocturne lento c.g.e. als 2. Teil ist ideal und sollte gemäß einer Notiz an seine Schwester wohl auch dort platziert werden. Die Ausführung ist auch tausendmal gehört genauso wundervoll wie beim ersten Anhören. Der dritte Satz passt absolut zum Gesamtwerk und ist genauso gelungen orchestriert wie die beiden anderen Teile. Man kann natürlich einwenden, das Chopin dieses geplante Werk nicht vollendete oder es anders klingen würde, wenn er es getan hätte. Aber was sollte denn eigentlich zählen? Die Musik sollte zählen! Hier hat sich ein Pianist mit Herzblut und Fachwissen an ein Werk gewagt und etwas Wunderbares daraus gestaltet. Es ist so widernatürlich, Musik als steinernes Monument zu betrachten. Sie lebt doch erst durch den, der sie gestaltet. Und in diesem Falle ist etwas wirklich Geniales dabei herausgekommen. Bravo - Alan! Auf der Website von Alan Kogosowski habe ich noch viele Informationen und weitere geniale CD's gefunden, nicht zu vergessen auch den Chopin Course auf KZbin. Wer Chopin, Rachmaninow und Beethoven liebt, ist hier bestens aufgehoben.

[@namphuthocnhac4612]

Verry good !!!!🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉

[@cz0985]

It's very impressive but there are only two concertos were confirmed composing by F. Chopin. Wanna know made this masterpiece.

[@e.hutchence-composer8203]

Kevin Jeng read the description

[@erickverran653]

Quite intriguing. However, there are just too many references to other pieces here to feel like a unique composition, albeit a fragment.

[@PianoMelodyNotes]

Thanks

[@ParamizoDicrominique]

more popular name: Allegro de concert, Op. 46

[@kaorik4182]

Allegro for concert!

[@muhittincankorkut6094]

This is allegro de concert

[@marcosviniciosribeirocompo1137]

Where is the Introduction ??

[@T-J-S]

I was thinking the same

[@HermanIngram]

This is the allegro de de concert

[@larrykolber7877]

Can you tell me where I can get this score? Would like to add it to my repertoire

[@CarltonRasolon]

Anyone knows who plays and who conducts with which orchestra ?

[@comet8864]

Alan Kogosowski's reconstruction with Detroit Symphony Orchestra conducted by Neeme Jarvi. See the Kogosowski website.

[@dennisg6963]

WOW!!

[@rihardk1976]

This does not sound like a Chopin to me. More like a variation on the theme(s). Wonder what scholars have to say....

[@kalolaannen6485]

More

[@stringendo]

9:13 Chopin Piano Sonata No.3 Mov.1?

[@ErickFerrer_ing081190]

Sensible someone can tell us who`s the real writer of this piece? Chopin did not compose more than 2 piano concertos and this is an adaptation of a work by him (perhaps by way of the melody of the piano) I would like to also tell me what is this work also. Even so, it is very worth the work done in the video.

[@ErickFerrer_ing081190]

It is an adaptation of Concert Allegro Op.46 Chopin (piano solo) by Alan Kogosowski for orchestra and piano. It is unusually accurate and beautiful, but not a piece to consider in the style of Chopin, lacking that own highly personal character that identifies each composer just listen. However it seems a very decent job although this arrangement for piano solo piece seems more interesting and offers a greater challenge in the execution.

[@comet8864]

There are four versions available - Nicode, Michael Pont, this one by Kogosowski and a new one by Ingolf Wunder on Deutsche Gramaphon. Nicode took liberties and added his own new material. Kogosowski's version is the best one in my view. Michael Ponti's recording is also good, as is Wunder's. Only Kogosowski has added a 2nd & 3rd movement by orchestrating other Chopin solo pieces - CD can be purchased on Kogosowski's website.

[@marcdekeyser1021]

For me this is the 7th and 8th variation of the hexameron originally composed partially by Liszt, Czerny,Thalberg, Herz! If so, then it is not the 3rd piano concerto of Chopin, who only composed 2 of the 9 variations of the Hexameron!!

[@manuel-et4he]

Chopin has only two concertos

[@PieInTheSky9]

It's a well known tradition to complete or finish an artist's uncompleted or unrealized work and name it after the next number of the set.

[@paolo6219]

Is this real?

[@atlasshrugd]

Jace brought me here. #tmi

[@jasonadriel]

try listening to the one orchestrated by Nicode

[@comet8864]

Nicode took liberties and added his own new material. Kogosowski's version is the best one in my view. Michael Ponti's recording is also good, as is a new one by Ingolf Wunder, but only Kogosowski has added a 2nd & 3rd movement by orchestrating other Chopin solo pieces. Not everyone's idea of the right thing to do but he's done a great job of it nonetheless.

[@PieInTheSky9]

Please provide a way for us to listen to the full work, this is only an excerpt.

[@comet8864]

This is a groups of samples stitched together from the Kogosowski website, which does not make the beginning or the 2nd & 3rd movements available to listen to.

[@jayclarke3142]

Could you point me in the direction of where I can buy this recording? I can't seem to find it anywhere.

[@comet8864]

This is a groups of samples stitched together from the Kogosowski website, which does not make the beginning or the 2nd & 3rd movements available to listen to. But the CD can be purchased on the website.

[@timotiuswirayudha1153]

Did you cut the beginning?

[@comet8864]

This is a groups of samples stitched together from the Kogosowski website, which does not make the beginning or the 2nd & 3rd movements available to listen to.

[@mariusherea1440]

@@comet8864 What are you talking about? There is no 2-nd and 3-rd movements, besides this one was NOT written by Chopin. It just contains some music from Chopin. But Chopin would have been angry to hear this. He even asked his friend Gzymala to burn all his sketches in order not to leave behind pieces that would diminish his name. This is exactly what happens with this so called 3-rd Concerto. It spunds good in places but as a whole is very much UNDER Chopin. Most of the ideas have been taken from his Allegro de Concert. Chopin realized that was not what he wanted for a new Concerto and stopped. He did not even bother to orchestrate it. The musician who did this tried to make a name for himself. Or maybe he loves the music of Chopin so much that he wanted to bring a tribute to him by that. Still, like I said, it is UNDER Chopin and Chopin would not have been happy with this at all.

[@comet8864]

I understand how you feel. The concerto is not what Chopin imagined. However, all of the music is Chopin’s - the Op.46 Allegro de Concert, the Lento con gran espressione for the 2nd mvt and the Bolero Op.19 for the 3rd mvt. The conductor, Neme Jarvi, asked Alan Kogosowski to create a complete concerto by orchestrating the pieces, and he only used the notes that Chopin wrote. Yes, it’s possible that Chopin would not be pleased. However, his instructions to It just contains some music from Chopin. But Chopin would not be pleased, but his instructions were not followed, and we have music that we would not otherwise have. Chopin died young, so it’s great to have every note. Several of his pieces have been arranged, for cello, for ballet, etc. This concerto is just one more example. It’s great music even though it’s not exactly as Chopin left it. We are free to choose whether to enjoy or ignore these developments. Personally, I think it’s a way to squeeze a few last drops from Chopin’s pen.

[@annemariecharron3293]

ESt ce que l'on peut trouver un CD de ce 3ème concerto de Chopin en vente ? Merci

[@philinh9169]

Recherche "Allegro de Concert op. 46 - Chopin", bonne chance :)

[@CharlieS76]

¿Piano concerto no 3?

[@groovy-kb8km]

:)

[@edgardodgonzalez]

Can you share pls the track info (orchestra, soloist, etc) thnx

[@comet8864]

Alan Kogosowski's reconstruction with Detroit Symphony Orchestra conducted by Neeme Jarvi. See the Kogosowski website. This is a groups of samples stitched together from the website, where the CD can be purchased.

[@Bulbophile]

You just can't see it

[@MrJokerjames]

What the Version??

[@comet8864]

There are four versions available - Nicode, Michael Pont, this one by Kogosowski and a new one by Ingolf Wunder on Deutsche Gramaphon. Nocode took liberties and added his own new material. Kogosowski's version is the best one in my view. Michael Ponti's recording is also good, as is Wunder's. Only Kogosowski has added a 2nd & 3rd movement by orchestrating other Chopin solo pieces - CD can be purchased on Kogosowski's website.

[@albertocalvete2532]

de verdad que el concierto ese no tiene absolutamente ninguna forma.... es lo primero que oigo de Chopin que no vale la pena....

[@chopincosmico7903]

con el mayor de los respetos hacia tu persona, lo único que no tiene validez aquí, es tu pobre comentario. para empezar no es un concierto, es el Allegro de concierto op 46, versionado un poco con la polonesa brillante. no hay pieza de Chopin mal compuesta si no mal escuchada o mal apreciada. ''Entre gustos y colores no han escrito los autores''

[@kaleidoscopio5]

El Allegro de concierto es una de las piezas menos logradas de Chopin. Aún con orquesta no levanta. : s

[@rodstartube]

nice Chipon

[@josepablo1514]

Chopin did not compose this kind of garbage.

[@solomonal-harbi8788]

It is an old arguments.

[@antiquet3301]

Always nice to see someone call music garbage without any supporting argument.

[@mariusherea1440]

​@@antiquet3301 Chopin tried to write a new Concerto but all he managed to do was writing an Allegro de Concert opus 46. He was not happy with the result therefore he did not even bother to orchestrate it, much less to write more. So he left this Allegro opus 46 just for piano solo. What I hear in this piece is parts from that Allegro mixed with other pieces. If Chopin wanted to write a 3-rd Concerto out of that Allegro he would have done it himself. But he even asked his friend Gzymala to burn all unfinished sketches so that his name would not diminish in the eyes of public. He would not be happy to hear this. It is UNDER his standards of value. It sounds "nice" in places but most of it sounds like the music written for a soap opera.

[@nestorandre6053]

He did baby, it was an allegro concerto. But isn't the 3rd piano concerto

[@antonygonzalez1672]

Marius Herea what is soap opera?😂

[@JOONYUBCHOI]

Haha good fake. Chopin hasnt written any other concerto except the two ones that we know. And more this song doesnt sound chopin's music style