Chopin’s Fantaisie-Impromptu: An Analysis

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[@Durtlepower]

Your videos always appeal to every viewer, and are easy to enjoy.

[@toaster8005]

I NEEDED THIS VIDEO SO BADLY!

[@tropologya]

Mindful videos , thanks a lot sharing your knowledge!

[@jimjohn2652]

1:12 : "No one's going to listen to a dead guy" 1:29 : I think you just have been visited by Chopin

[@Areothredamino.999]

Perfect 🤣🤣🤣😂

[@jeanvivero5471]

LOL

[@jhairhernandez9380]

I really like all your videos, i feel more and more motivate to study music. Chopin is my favorite piano composer and is so interesting to me know the story behind his pieces. Saludos desde México!

[@mannydain]

wow thanks for explaining... such a great understanding... and i love your interpretation of the composition ( the dream)

[@StevePhillips]

-I agree nice to create the story ourselves from the music. I enjoyed the lesson. Thank you!

[@tranthuylinh4516]

love love love love you, great great teacher

[@Little0Sparrow]

Love your videos!

[@elenapianoprogress]

3rd mvt of moonlight sonata and fantaisie impromptu are 2 of my favourite pieces, but i never thought they were similar

[@Abby-wx6kl]

I'm working on perfecting this piece rn and this video helped me so much!!! Thank you :D

[@johnnyboy1232]

I think "Fantasie Impromptu" is better than "Moonlight Sonata". Don't get me wrong, I love Beethoven, but I have a small preference for Chopin.

[@johnnyboy1232]

Brendan Jacobi True, I have nothing against Moonlight Sonata but I think that emotionally I connect better with Chopin's music.

[@arsantiqua8741]

Moonlight sonata's second movement is spritely and moves away from the sadness of the first, something Chopin may have copied.

[@johnnyboy1232]

Carl Ritchie possibly....

[@arsantiqua8741]

can be.

[@SigmaMahameru]

@Brendan Jacobi What?? Somehow I think the middle section is most beautiful part.

[@vladimirmartinez96]

My favorite piece, I played this one on my piano recital 3 years ago, it took me quite some time to learned it, but in the end when you finish the piece the feeling you get it's unforgettable.

[@TheYoshi463]

Jesus Vladimir Martinez Nuño Definitely. It also trained my abilities regarding 3 by 4

[@Youtubeusee365]

I can only imagine... One day...

[@Biomirth]

It's incredible when you finally 'get' it and the left and right hands just do their jobs. You can honestly look down at your hands and say "OK guys, keep going" because the timing is just so strange to wrap your head around, but the hands, they get it.

[@hanze4278]

I really want to learn this piece! how long did you spent learning this? Is it really hard? I would really like to know, thanks!

[@vladimirmartinez96]

@@hanze4278 I remember it took me like 7-8 months but mastering the piece takes more, the hard part is the polyrhythms but just play hands separated and as slow as you can and you should be able to get it c:

[@melaniawong8783]

This by far my Favorite piece

[@jeanbernardcerin769]

Love this thoughtful and digestible analysis. Wish you had explored Chopin’s love of Bellini in your analysis of the B section. It sounds like opera intentionally and it’s striking to hear how we go from “pianist” to “soprano” in the right hand from the A section to the B. And I love hearing the return of that B theme in the coda as a bass singing that same soprano melody. Feels like a love story:)

[@desteddyeggroll]

Wow! The B Section in the Fantaisie Impromptu Piece is my FAVORITE!!!!!

[@saga2795]

I was thinking about playing Moonlight Sonata Movement 3 after previously playing Debussy’s Arabesque no. 1, Beethoven’s “Tempest” Sonata movement 3, and Fantaisie Impromptu. I did not realize there were so many similarities between two of these pieces! Thanks for the great video :D

[@Biomirth]

I taught myself this piece and it was not trivial to learn the different paces right and left hand. I learned the piece from the music and never listened to anyone perform it until I was satisfied I'd mastered it. I was pleasantly surprised to hear that I had read the music quite well. If you are a speed demon and want an interesting and fun challenge and have never played in 5/4 time, this is THE best piece of music to try. Just learn each hand a bit and then cry when you put them together, until it suddenly works. Like so much of Chopin, it is an exquisite piece of music and well worth just playing for enjoyment. Ultimately, it isn't actually that technically challenging other than the timing, but the composition is just perfection itself, especially the Coda (well, and the main theme, but you play this so much throughout that you forget).

[@gskartwii]

A couple of months ago I actually took part in a masterclass given by Eero Heinonen where I played this. According to him, many of the differences between Fontana's edition and the edition Rubinstein discovered actually come from Fontana's hand: He would spice up Chopin's original work by changing it to sound "how Chopin played it". Moreover, it was actually Fontana who came up with the name "Fantaisie-Impromptu". As crazy as this sounded to me at first, I think Heinonen is a credible source. He is a docent at Sibelius Academy.

[@trevorbrown5714]

I'm learning this piece right now; some parts I cannot get by yet but I love learning it. It's one of my favorite pieces and I'm happy to learn it.

[@TheYoshi463]

Trevor Brown Don't give up! When I learned it, I sometimes practiced one measure for almost one hour. But it was worth it^^

[@photonspark]

Yeeey I saw Yundi Li perform a month ago, very good indeed :) Chopin's Piano Concertos not my absolute fav pieces though (really like 2nd movement of 2nd Piano Concert), hope to see him play my other Chopin favourites one day :)

[@haroldchristianbuliganbeno2767]

Please do an analysis of Ballades 1-4 by Chopin.

[@waffleman-]

yes, please do

[@PianotvNet]

That one has been on the agenda for a while!

[@haroldchristianbuliganbeno2767]

Thanks Allysia,

[@cjg8763]

And all scherzos

[@haroldchristianbuliganbeno2767]

And all etudes

[@ramosgutierrezangeleduardo316]

Have you seen Paul Barton's playing this masterpiece? He killed it.

[@MusicalMissCapri]

He does a great job on it, and in his tutorial, he even points out how Chopin borrowed directly from the cadenza section of the Moonlight's 3rd movement during the part where the rh rises in pitch to the B note early on in this. The decent back to repeat the first C sharp phrase is note for note the same as Beethoven's cadenca just after the b/a trill.

[@WeWereTheStorm]

My favorite song on piano ever!

[@douglaslarson7081]

The melody of the B section of this Fantaisie-Impromptu was publlshed as a popular song early in the 20th century. I knew the title of the popular song once but don't recall it now. Also don't know when the popular song was published but I think it was in the 1920's or perhaps the 1930's. Might have been published a bit later but not a lot later. I very much appreciate these short musical stories that you publish. Please keep making them. Update - I looked it up. The B theme was written as a popular song “I’m Always Chasing Rainbows” and became an instant hit when it was published in 1918. It was introduced in the Broadway show "Oh, Look". Then the song reached new heights when Judy Garland sang it in the 1941 film Ziegfeld Girl. Since then, it has been recorded multiple times.

[@AY-ue8lj]

9:49 Love the rant!! it's the best part ;)

[@papikabron18]

I like it. Its very fast but the intensity makes up for it

[@Kharesz1]

Good video! One thing has to be mentioned here: the parallel major of c# is E, not Db, because the E major scale is based on the same notes as c# minor. That's why they're parallel.

[@jesusalejandrorosas5224]

I was looking for a piano pieces review chanel, thanks.

[@rogerg4916]

The later version was discovered by pianist Arthur Rubinstein, not Barenboim. The reason Chopin never published it was because it was a private composition for a Baroness d'Este, for which he was probably paid a commission and is the reason he did not want it published. The version Fontana published, and most pianists play, is an earlier draft which, in my opinion, is better than the final version which has significant differences and is more difficult. I think Chopin should have just left it alone but we can thank Fontana for not following Chopin's deathbed instructions and saving this version for us. This information is on Wikipedia under "Fantaisie-Impromptu". Allysia, I love your enthusiasm!

[@jamesrichards1893]

I am playing Fantasie Impromptu for DIPABRSM as an own choice piece. I think I should add in this information for my programme notes and viva voce discussion.

[@C0nstellati0ns]

Good vid :)

[@gemmahudack6182]

Chopin’s 1st étude form trois études nouvelles is a great introduction to 3:4 polyrhythms

[@donesiam4556]

2nd theme is breathtaking

[@hoangduynguyen2064]

I love the melody of Tristesse so pls do it ^^

[@thomasmathews4592]

Wonderful video, I hope you do more of these in future. Very nice balance between accessibility and complexity. The only small request I have is that you could play the extracts whilst keeping the sheet music on screen? Minor thing but it can be good to follow it along.

[@jeremybeadleslefthand480]

Your thumbnail game is so so strong. A lot of KZbinrs could learn from you

[@pablomenjivar2475]

Hey Ally! Can you please do an analysis on La Campanella?

[@LuisSoto-ey4le]

Genius

[@yassinlotfi6443]

Can you please do a analysis of Ballade no1 in G minor?

[@nathanmannpiano5621]

If this helps anyone, this is the rythm if each triplet is a quarter note in a 3/4 bar (sounds the same but easier to think of) top dash=rh bottom dash=Lh 1+&+2+&+3+&+ - - - - - - -

[@MrLuxyLux]

I love playing Fantaisie Impromptu. I play it almost every day at least once

[@kaiandchanellesimmons502]

Felix Same. It never gets tiring

[@thomasmorelli4146]

just wondering what level pianist you are. I recently started playing and it seems pretty easy. I’m a teenager and have been playing on and off for about 9 years. what level of piano do you think i should be to play it? i can do polyrhythms

[@jelle7]

@@thomasmorelli4146 I have never played an instrument before, I can play the piece without mistakes and on the right rhythm in 10 months. 10mins a day. It's just hard to make it sound clean

[@ethanmiller1143]

Please do an Analysis on Nocturne in e minor, Ballade 2 or nocturne in d flat major, Or Rach 2

[@brucedavies8154]

My favourite c sharp minor piece is Scriabin's Etude op.42 no5 you should really check it out if you haven't heard it :)

[@henryxu713]

Chopin is the OG rock star

[@gemmahudack6182]

One of my friends discovered fantasie impromptu by listening to I'm always chasing rainbows, they share the same Melody at parts.

[@shawnpalmer6715]

Oh the dreams i have after playing Chopin

[@Joshua-dc1bs]

What would you day the emotional theme of the piece is? It's beautiful, thrilling, fast-paced, urgent, and magical all simultaneously. I appreciate the piece, but I am struggling to precisely define my own affective response.

[@deathshead357]

At 1:29 when the cat jumps on the piano, it plays a low D. If only it had jumped a little to the left it would have been perfect, given the context of what you were saying at that precise moment.

[@lucasantoniotujan7783]

So I’m getting into chopins ARCT pieces , would you consider this a good first step , I already finish Nocturne Op 27 no 1 C sharp Minor

[@TheHeroRobertELee]

I've learned both pieces before, and personally I consider the moonlight sonata 3rd mvt to be harder for me. The polyrhythm of the impromptu was a little tricky at first, but easy once you get it down. The impromptu requires more musical expression in my opinion, but damn did I struggle with the moonlight and getting it even close to presto speed while maintaining accuracy, clarity, and softness with light handedness. And for some reason the moonlight requires more stamina for me. My right hand wrist constantly ached and hurt while playing it.

[@philippepierrelouis9956]

Stop educating me. I just love all your analysis. Thank you you are awesome.

[@leo17921]

5:04 its called picardy third in english

[@gstibgo3751]

My feeling is that the other version was written first. It is "edgier" and I think Fontana polished it up for publication.

[@thibaultvl9787]

In fact, the Moscheles’s impromptu op 89 sound similar and that is why Chopin doesn’t wanted to publish it But only the arpeggio of the moonlight sonata are similar

[@eingooglenutzer1474]

Actually, the downward run in the beginning of the melody (7th and 8th measure) of Fantasy Impromptu is also taken from the moonlight sonata (3rd mov. cadenza m.188)

[@thibaultvl9787]

That’s what i’m talking about

[@AngelJK99]

Hi Allysia, great work! However, the impromptu wasn’t dedicated to Fontana. He just found it after Chopin died and published it (after adding his touch here and there). Arthur Rubinstein (who is Arthur Baremboin :)) found a most finished version of this impromptu in an auction. This version was dedicated to the Baronnes d’Este. You can find this version and an earlier version (before Fontana edited) in the Urtext Wiener edition of the impromptus.

[@AngelJK99]

Hi, you can find this information and its references on the preface of the Urtext Wiener edition of the impromptus. It's also said that the name fantaisie impromptu was possibly given by Fontana himself (but there is no way to confirm it.). Fontana is also the one to credit with the articulation that Allysia talked about on this video. So as I see it, there are 3 version of this impromptu : an early version which came from a copy made by Franchomme (a friend of Chopin), the Fontana version edited by himself which is shown in this video and the latest version found by Rubinstein in 1962 (who send a copy to Jan Elkier, the editor of this urtext edition). Finally , Rubistein believed that Chopin didn't want to publish this impromptu because it was kind of sold to the Baroness de l'Este. You could also chech out Paul Barton's tutorial about this impromptu which gives some historical details. Cheers!

[@OutOfWards]

The Cat Lady everyone talked about, no one told me she plays piano... I think I'm in love.

[@cjg8763]

Unless I missed it, you failed to mention the reprisal of the middle section melody playing in the left hand in the coda. You should have played the beginning of the coda for the third movement of the moonlight sonata, just before and after the trill. The resemblance between the two works, I think, is most obvious there.

[@Altroante]

1st ballade in g minor op 23, please?

[@henrydenner5448]

Hi Allysia It frustrates me to no end to see these 5/6 year olds playing Fantaisie Impromptu. It just ain't right.

[@cristopher4026]

Henry Denner why?

[@kirklurkpu4470]

you're either jealous because they're already great at an early age or you somehow have a bad memory relating to that.

[@henrydenner5448]

KirkLurkPU Jealousy to be honest. At 40 years of age I started way too late with professional classical training so it reminds me of how much I have lost out on. What I do find frustrating is that these kids are undoubtedly brilliant, but playing a piece fast and perfectly is much different to have a real understanding for the real character that it wants to portray. I have to wonder about when or if they would ever get THERE. The world is full of child prodigies, and I have no problem with that as such. But....a child prodigy is only ever really a prodigy if they bring that forward to adulthood, where they would actually improve. I feel many of young kids playing stuff like Fantaisie Impromptu or Bach Goldberg Variations or Liszt Transcendental Etudes have parents that went to a teacher adking what the most difficult piece is and then subsequently force fed them to practice 8 hours per day to play that composition till perfection. This results in these prodigies being one hit wonders without actually having even really "HIT" the true value of the composition. Hope it makes sense.

[@henrydenner5448]

Real Records see response above 😉

[@kirklurkpu4470]

Henry Denner Age doesn't matter at all. You don't need to force yourself to be great. You're, in a way, special and you don't need to be jealous of them. I was never forced to play piano because that is my true passion and my mother happily supports for my dream to come true. The fate of these kids are playing piano or a being a virtuoso pianist. Forcing yourself to be great isn't healthy mentally, you could have heavy depression and I know the outcome is great, they get praises, applauses, cheers, but inside it's the complete opposite. I just want to say that you don't need to be jealous because you will just get the opposite feeling instead, just cheer yourself up and look for things you can do to improve yourself better. Just find what suits you the most.

[@keplergso8369]

That is Fontana's edition, I think it is preferable to use the autograph version, a bit different, closer to real Chopin work, especially at 7:58, where the left hand plays the octavas : in Fontana's the descent begins, at the G key, with two 'E' (the third of the C# minor chord), in autograph's it begins by two 'G#' (the fifth of the chord), and other details elsewhere.

[@911toothache]

Do you mean the bit at the end of the long descending section where in the recording at 8:26 there is just one big "DUN"? Because I've always been confused about that part. The first recording I ever heard of this, years ago, that part had the descending part which ended in a "DUN DUN". After that I started to listen to different recordings and every single one just had that single "DUN" like in this video, and I was always confused like "is everyone just playing it wrong or....?"

[@ibuprofen303]

I luv muh Rolypythms and muh terniary form.

[@seohyunkim5655]

It has the same notes as the rundown of Moonlight sonata. But in fact, it closely replicates Moscheles' impromptu more so than Bsethoven's sonata. My best guess of Chopin not publishing the work is that Chopin himself performed Moscheles Piano Concerto in Warsaw and it was a huge success. He definetly thought highly of Moscheles and if his works were published, Moscheles would have probably recognised it and would have thought that his "less inspired" work wasnt as good as that of Chopin. And Chopin didnt want to risk a slightest bit of him might putting down Moscheles work as he respected him so much.

[@MrTaiese]

Seohyun Kim thank you someone knows what they talking about, i was confused when she said its like Beethovens 3rd mvt moonlight sonata. Its only the coda of the moonlight sonata.

[@oriyonay8825]

lmao ironically when u said C# minor your cat played a C# note

[@superkittylitter963]

I understand the last chord C# major being used as a picardy third, but any info on the second to last chord right before the C# major? I'm seeing it as a C# major 11 with an omitted third (unless I'm wrong and it's some inversion,) but I can't see specifically what function it serves, why does a I - I cadence sound so final? Why does it sound so good?

[@Light-jk8zw]

Can you please please please please please make a video with easyest mendelssohn pieces? Or if not , a compilation of easy pieces that u did not present allready from the other composers. Thankyou^_^

[@dcunited710]

adu aui Mendelssohn’s 6 pieces for children, Op. 72. The first is lovely and Christmassy 🎄

[@Light-jk8zw]

thanks ^_^

[@Losloth]

Please leave the sheet music up on the screen when the music is playing, so we can follow along better :) Otherwise, nice analysis!

[@normsantos1274]

maybe parallel enharmonic major is more accurate?

[@leo17921]

2:14 Arthur Baremboim

[@bobsmith-ov3kn]

The cat was playing the primary note of the G#7b5 when he heard you were talking about a piece in C# minor

[@briantekmen771]

could you please list your sources for your research? I would appreciate that a lot! thanks

[@papikabron18]

A lot of people compare it to Beethoven but i think is just the Way Chopin played.. like etude. 25. No.2

[@mawreena-]

3:33 Pain

[@slothfuldelight321]

😬

[@charky6683]

IKR

[@MrTaiese]

Gonna have to disagree on the Beethoven thing. Moonlight sonata mvt 3 coda has the same descending notes as second half of bar 7 in Op66 chopin. That is it, the ascending broken chords of the beginning of beethovens moonlight 3rdmvt has no similarities to the Op66. Beethovens works have a strong ‘Sturm und Drang’ emotion which revolves around 1 or more motives that are developed over and over. Op66 chopin my interpretation would be very fragile and the polyrhythms works very well to this effect, phrasing/shaping is taken in due care.

[@normsantos1274]

it may be that Chopin's reason for not publishing this work was because of its "similarity" to the moonlight sonata (or maybe a more likely similarity to moscheles' impromptu in e-flat major?) which is, at best. apocryphal, but from what I've learned, it may be more likely that chopin simply felt this piece was not worthy.

[@jr2470]

Do have any tips for learning poly-rhythm pieces? I have been doing okay on a piece that is eight notes verses triplets (triplets in the left hand), but I still have to play it pretty slow and it is taking a long time to get smooth). Despite playing some of Chopin's easier nocturnes I find this piece very difficult and unapproachable. (Looking at the music maybe I should start in the B section, hmm).

[@TheYoshi463]

JR24 A metronom is key, especially when the rhythm get more complex than just 4 by 3

[@baronvonbeandip]

Ben Levin and Adam Neeley both do great videos on polyrhythms and compound meters.

[@bachouvenn430]

Now i know why Trifonov's interpretation doesn't have the ending major chord

[@hifijohn]

quick, what note did that cat play???

[@AnatoArchives]

Can I request an analysis for Liszt's Spanish Rhapsody?

[@snow_angel4485]

I wish Chopin was alive

[@jeraaldmarcus7403]

What is the tonality of the piece?

[@mr.coconut2310]

1:28 *ahdjh fuck* bloody cat scared the shit outta me

[@TheArmchairist]

It didnt resemble the 3rd movement from the moonlight sonata, but the impromptu from Moscheles

[@cjg8763]

Musicolophilia listen to the parts immediately before and immediately after the trill of moonlight 3 at the start of the coda. I believe the similarities are most obvious there.

[@arsantiqua8741]

Chopin actually copied the ornament after the trill, he used it as part of the main theme. The only difference is the speed and Chopin's version was raised an octave higher.

[@CantorCantante]

How many years of study is nessesary for play one nocturno of Chopin?

[@AvntXardE]

I would say for the easiest one like 'g minor Op. 15 No. 3' or 'c sharp minor KK IVa,16' it is 4-7 years.

[@ricardiodestroyerofanuses4638]

AvntXardE 4-7 years for a nocturne? Sure, if you practice 5 minutes a week

[@AvntXardE]

@Richard Key, I'm sure we have different interpretation what it means to master a nocturne. You can also start after 1 month of playing piano with 'Gaspard de la nuit' but I'm sure it will still sound horrible even after 2 years.

[@hannahwilkinson1085]

Richard Key I think she meant that you can start learning the nocturne after 4-7 years of playing piano. The question asked was 'when can I start learning a nocturne?'

[@LoCoZappers]

yea, everybody BUT the great composer Rachmaninoff!!! Can you do something about him, it would be well appreciated by ALL.

[@lorenzogiomi6790]

ABBA+ coda*

[@myname-mz3lo]

moonlight sonata and fantaisie impromptue are in the same scale so i get the similar tonalities byt emotionally they are so so so different . comparing them just because they are in the same key is wrong to me . twop verry different pieces .

[@GeodesicBruh]

put it at 1.25x and boom that's how i talk

[@fatherjack3088]

It seems like I pronounce almost every classical composers name wrong

[@theskeletongamertymon8812]

Love your videos, I always take tips from you. I made a song called Ecossaise in C major. If you actually tell me your email, I can send a pic of my music sheet (I'm 11 years old and I made this song couple days ago!) of Ecossaise in C major!

[@theskeletongamertymon8812]

Oh, and I am learning Chopin songs, can you make a lesson on to play an easy Chopin song please?

[@thepianist4314]

Why dont you send it to me? 😱😛

[@theskeletongamertymon8812]

Sure, why not!

[@PianotvNet]

ally dot pianotv at gmail dot com :)

[@stefanolanza8018]

Everything is very commendable, but those are not triplets, at least not in your edition. Sextuplets, which are made by pairs.

[@OutOfWards]

IMHO Chopin's Fantasie-impromptu is more delicate, there's more complexities imho. Beethoven's is just ANGER NOW, quietly arpeggio, ANGRY PUNCHING OF MIN CHORDS... then quiet again. I mean even Mozart's Piano concerto No 9. 2nd mvt has more emotion than Beethovens Moonlight Sonata in it's entirety. It's over obsessed with and pushed by a lot of musicians these days. Give me either Shubert's or Schoenberg's identically named pieces "Drei Klavierstücke" any day!

[@nlootah1386]

I just started on this piece, the polyrhythm is a bitch tbh but i cant wait to get past it.

[@rumrumrumrumrumrum]

are ya winning son?

[@nlootah1386]

@@rumrumrumrumrumrum i didnt start yet

[@rumrumrumrumrumrum]

@@nlootah1386 do it m8, start slow left hand one day, right next, then both, repeat. slow tho. :))

[@nlootah1386]

@@rumrumrumrumrumrum nah

[@justnobody3642]

The cat is so distracting so cute

[@TheYoshi463]

This piece has lost its magic a bit for me, that it had when I first heard and learned it. I need to play it less probably, cause I simply overplayed it.

[@ezrang2496]

PLEASE SCHUMANN SCHUMANN SCHUMANN

[@myname-mz3lo]

the fact that classical music used to be improvised is crazy to me . all these classical pianists these days couldnt improvise to save their lives . jazz is the continuation of classical . classical is a stagnation of classical .

[@UniversalDirp]

is it pathetic that i can play 2 of the list Hungarian Rhaps, but cant play this?

[@mihawkdrakule3869]

Is it me or generally polyrhythm is easy????

[@danieltresa2943]

it's so freaking hard for me .. I play the piano for 8 years, it just needs time. I hope I will learn it correctly.

[@mihawkdrakule3869]

andrew butcher the faster it is the easier I find them

[@krickstoneleo92]

Rachmaninof :c