Chopper vs Chopper: Ma Te vs Hou Yingchao | 2021 National Games

Chopper vs Chopper: Ma Te vs Hou Yingchao | 2021 National Games
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[@Barman4200]

I'm guessing not everyone might find this as interesting as other games, but I really enjoyed seeing how two defenders approached the match from a strategy standpoint. Ma Te never let Hou Yingchao get into a comfortable zone & start doing his crazy spin variation on his chops; Ma would rarely attack more than one chop at a time, choosing to push that 2nd or 3rd chop (moving Hou in & out, putting him off-balance). When he did attack a chop, Ma was good at varying his placement, constantly moving Hou around. I know a lot of this is "standard" anti-chopper tactics, but it's rare to see people able to perform it so well. Ma could also attack pushes a lot better with his long pip side swipes, whereas Hou could not (because of the short pips). This meant Ma had the advantage in the pushing battle because he could attack balls that Hou could not, again putting Hou under pressure. Thank you for the upload!

[@kaizhangtabletennis]

Nice analysis. I am a chopper as well, and I enjoy playing against another chopper. It’s pretty hard to find them though, especially when I live…

[@matmagix3845]

is it just me or do I feel like Hou's big frame makes it hard for him to really be that effective? Seems late on the ball frequently, not as nimble as I might expect from a defensive player. Certainly the footwork seems a bit off.

[@sumandas9487]

will you please tell me which blade ma te using

[@kaizhangtabletennis]

@@sumandas9487 some say he is using DHS 08x. Not 100% sure though.

[@Barman4200]

@@matmagix3845 Hou was definitely a lot slimmer in older videos of him from early/mid 2000's & 2010's. I mean, he IS over 40 now! Who knows how much he trains, what his diet is, or some other factors that might be in play. Also, as men get older they start getting a little chunkier around the waist (hence the eponymous "dad bod"). I don't think it's impacting his footwork though. Against normal styles, he seems to have no problem moving & being in position. I think his footwork looks "off" in this match because he was facing Ma Te, who, being a defender himself, knows just how to screw with a defenders' footwork. At least that's my thought on it!

[@dash5core]

Feels like two beginners are playing, but I know it is not true

[@kuchikibyakuya7697]

Yes they can beat us like a dog.

[@ichiroakuma7311]

Kind of comforting to see two world class players looking like guys from the local club.

[@bartomiejjaworski9018]

No, it s just Two choppers in one single's match

[@egemix894]

you didnt c how he outplay ma long

[@shivmurtidubal1738]

Some players put spins in a very deceptive way. It's really difficult to understand if spin is there or not.

[@Thenextphasemusic]

@20:00 sums up the match quite well

[@HrFZ1]

dude cant stop laughing here but we both know that reaction represents only...what happened on the surface

[@Thenextphasemusic]

@@HrFZ1 Yeah, you're 100% right, it's just not thaaaat entertaining to watch for the audience :D

[@elmoblatch9787]

This is like watching your reasonably skilled cousins at the backyard barbecue.

[@paulbourdess925]

"Boring game" = "I lose to choppers when I play, I can't generate any offense of my own, and can't lift backspin"

[@blueheart9873]

I don't understand the hate towards defensive playstyles. Even if it is not full of action, it's nice to see a little variation

[@beginnercuber1143]

The hate is more towards pimples and bot defensive players,because pimples kinda give an unfair advantage

[@egemix894]

@@beginnercuber1143 l0sers talk like that. Only no brains can't figure out how pimple works. Pimples are actually limited and passive. But stupid guys can't figure it out, so they think that pimples are unpredictable.

[@egemix894]

cuz they are so salty and got mad at themselves since they can't figure out how pimple works.

[@beginnercuber1143]

@@egemix894 😑ok,pimple player

[@ognyankoynashki]

@@beginnercuber1143 Crybaby

[@kagura4891]

This is how I played when I was beginner.

[@egemix894]

wake up l0ser. you can never play like that

[@bakihanma9165]

Two counterpunchers going at it! In a battle of Choppers seems like the best service and attack wins the points 😅

[@swmtd9484]

I thought it was going to be a marathon. Turns out most of the rallies were not long.

[@uleyzano6178]

It's like to watch the game of chess. Very exciting and unpredictable. Thanks for sharing.

[@pingsunday]

Glad you enjoyed it!

[@Listermintsluesh]

Anyone know what gear exactly these guys play in this match ? Ie, what rubber's ?

[@barugi]

Both choppers appears to be uncomfortable playing against each other. Not too many defensive players to practice with I guess.

[@chm2]

It was pretty disappointing. I thought it was going to be a very high level match that we could learn from because they understand all their opponent's tricks. Instead, they both seemed confused and uncomfortable.

[@chang6905]

ya, I am here to learn how to face other chopper like me😢

[@Sazyua]

Choppers need to be able to play against another chopper. In a perfect world, a chopper would love to defend against an attacker 24 hours a day, 365 days a year, but this is not always the case. You are not always going to play against an offensive player. There are times where you will face a pure defense chopper, pure defense anti-spin or long pimples blocker, modern defender, lobbers etc. I see so many choppers at my clubs perform very well against attackers, but when playing against another defender, it's awkward for them and end up losing. Choppers need to know their own weakness and how to play against a chopper. You're not the only chopper in the world, so when you are played against one, you better know how to essentially beat yourself. Can't play against attackers all the time. This comment is to not criticize Ma Te or Hou Yingchao, as they are both amazing modern defenders, but to those who still play defense, eventually, you are going to have to go out of your "I only defense against an attacker" bubble and learn to "Okay, I am facing another defender. I have a strategy to play against them."

[@milchkanne21]

Very interesring playstyle. Thanks for Sharing. Someone know, do they play with Long or short pimples?

[@bejoev1771]

As far as i know, Ma use LP palio ck831, Hou use SP TSP spectol

[@rilcycopa]

Metapod vs Metopod

[@Mannistheorion]

I play modern defense/chop style, and I really get frustrated when I play with other LP players. It's more mind exhausting than physically and you have to adjust to your normal drills/routine to get a nice window for attack.

[@DammitBobby]

Ha! Now you know how the rest of us feel 😂

[@bobmalack481]

'Greenie' at 4:15 said in English for the edge ball 'so sorry'... LOL!!

[@ilamahillah7279]

Seperti pemain yang masih belajar, meskipun saya tau tidak demikian adanya. Lucu lihatnya.

[@24ghosh24]

as a chopper ,its a nightmare to play another chopper.

[@helloxing1000]

They both enjoy playing

[@ingdavidrosasv]

It is as weird as I imagined. "Please somebodh attack me"

[@insearchofgold3430]

what are the odds, chopper SP vs chopper SP

[@anujnayak7839]

I am very afraid from the guys who's name is Ma and he plays table tennis

[@gost7213]

Yah, Ma Lin, Ma Long,…n, now, Ma Te who can chop chop chop….chop to pieces, haha…

[@anujnayak7839]

@@gost7213 yeah , lol

[@Ufkatuale]

Chopper vs Chopper also known as: "bring time with you"

[@elmoblatch9787]

Hou is on first.

[@fajara6124]

The officials & audiences feel like..... zzzz..zzz... 😄😄

[@bobmalack481]

Guy in green ALMOST looks like a chubbyer Wang Hao. Gallery is chanting 'Ma Long!' between points..bazarre..l

[@C0rruptedError]

I searched this because i wanna see pros play like begginers

[@shirenqiu6349]

是湖北不是河北，谢谢

[@ahmedelsayed7527]

This seems more like a training drill 😂

[@TCRBibleStudy]

Why would someone choose to be a chopper?

[@noahclayborne1240]

Because it's fun and it looks cool

[@bobmalack481]

Good question..the ultimate 'cool' is play reverse penhold like Wang Hao. Shakehands players bore me.

[@elmoblatch9787]

Two squiggles beat three squiggles.

[@phantn]

Even these 2 players felt awkward.

[@egemix894]

they didnt. You feel awkward only. Stop dragging.

[@phantn]

@@egemix894 You talked about yourself fdassof. If you don't have anything to say, don't go to KZbin.

[@egemix894]

@@phantn cringe boi. self awkward and start barking

[@phantn]

@@egemix894 fda assof . That's your name. It sounds like a barking, isn't it ?

[@phantn]

@@egemix894 🤣🤣 Are they your daddies?

[@nhulamnguyen264]

Ông áo xanh giải nghệ đi về mà làm việc khác.chu đánh thế này thì ai nuôi được.ton công sức dao tạo.

[@daddymo7387]

I'm my opinion the best chopper is Joo from Korea

[@pukulu]

Hou YingChao misses too many on offense. Ma Te makes fewer unforced errors and his offense is better..

[@gana0853]

Très laid.

[@bobmalack481]

Choppers will never be a number one, let alone a top ten player.

[@iamlegend3927]

@@bobmalack481 you are new to table tennis 😆

[@bobmalack481]

@iamlegend3927 How am I new? I played on and off since the early 90's. You must be a chopper. I play with reverse penhold style. Robert at 69.

[@iamlegend3927]

@ if you're really not new to this.. how can you not know there had been a chopper in the top 20 for 15 years long? Up to 2021 or something. He reached #5 too

[@bobmalack481]

@@iamlegend3927 WHEN reached no.# 5 in world?, way back in 60's? The BOTTOM LINE is Choppers will never even be a no.1 or top 3. It is purely a defensive style with the modern play style.

[@iamlegend3927]

@ 2012... his name is Joo Sae Hyuk. He also beat Ma Long and Timo Boll and several others multiple times

[@HrFZ1]

for some reason got the feeling Hou cant really play well vs a defender ; (

[@phantn]

Who attacked more would lose.

[@nhulamnguyen264]

2 tay vợt này xếp hạng kém nhất của Trung Quốc rồi.danh o bằng bóng phủi VN.

[@Sinang1234]

Boring... How does they play, good if make i bored😅

[@pipperlong]

Like!!!!

[@pingsunday]

✌

[@akalsehat4227]

So Bored to see this game

[@kuchikibyakuya7697]

Chopper vs cooper indeed boring. But chopper vs attacker is quite nice to watch.

[@egemix894]

nope, you're the boring one.

[@hamasandhamis951]

Mretrubrs…😂😂😂

[@uddipansharma472]

Looks very bad generally there are much longer rallies than this in chopper chopper encounter

[@chankim100]

The picture really fooled me!

[@tepet5800]

Haha... Who want attack?

[@otisskopik1400]

So boring

[@Frenchfriesband]

The kid match.

[@leerichards7309]

Joo se hyuk still the best chopper ever

[@APOCLAG]

It was the worst table tennis game I have ever watched! None of them are trying to score; they just pass the ball. What a lame game!

[@cecepilyas6805]

like a beginner

[@patrickkok2744]

2 old man plying omg

[@mikkaiii]

Most boring game in history.

[@28771]

Kreisliga play better tabletennis

[@chm2]

Very strange match full of errors.

[@milchkanne21]

Very strange comment, are there games without errors?

[@RGB5555]

Worst players ever wtf

[@youdunwu108]

欺骗自己