Chorus vs Flanger: What's The Difference? | Reverb Tone Report

[@al271987]

A friend once described the different modulation tones this way: Chorus takes your guitar under water, Phase takes your guitar into space, and Flange is the rocket that gets it there.

[@Yumemaru.]

@pedro sabino not really, its the top comment lol

[@elvan12581]

How trueeee

[@damondahl]

PERFECT!

[@darrendavidson3269]

Nice One.

[@bbling1985]

After looking and researching forever, u have solved my questions and dilemmas with this one short to the point comment. Thank you

[@iain2080]

Andy's right hand technique is fascinating to me

[@LysergikFuneral]

Check out Jared James Nichols for finger pickin' heavy blues.

[@v.rucciinkmusic8978]

The invisible pick. It reminds me of Jeff Beck.

[@bigmommaziga4095]

Check out Miha Petric from Moonlight sky. His technique is on another level

[@simonthompson9380]

check out the ‘master’ Richie Kotzen

[@IceCubeNETWORK873]

I actually Quite Like it, it’s unique

[@jacksonwilliams8971]

Hearing The Camera Eye in unexpected places is always a pleasant surprise

[@matthewmwangi5710]

Jackson Williams I’ll second that!

[@isaacwilliams9919]

I’m surprised rush isn’t as big in America as Canada

[@jamesfetherston1190]

It took me a second or two to recognize the riff,

[@coldwar1977]

Cool thing is that most flangers can also be used as a chorus

[@dickdastardly2560]

I love Andy's playing especially his picking style it's so unique! Anyone else missing the old PGS demo and Free Pedal Friday and lessons videos?

[@duncanloasby1425]

What I always hear: Chorus = 80’s Flange = 70’s

[@GaylordBonnafous]

A lot of flange in the 80's (like The Cure) and a lot of chorus in the 70's (like Alice Cooper) though.

[@EveryDaySkinnyGuy]

Andy is a god sent down to not only teach us the ways of the guitar, but to also give guitar and pedal demos with playing that isn’t exclusively boring blues rock.

[@McDoinky]

HEY THERE ITS ANDY WITH PR-everb...

[@klewis2048]

Great video - an absolute joy to hear you play The Camera Eye

[@notenoughpaper]

I always knew that song but I never new who it was from or what it was called. Thanks!

[@markhammer643]

Flanging, chorus, and doubling are on a continuum; overlapping a bit in terms of the range of delay times that they modulate. What changes as the delay ranges are shifted is what we pay attention to. In the case of flanging, the much shorter delay times result in peaks and notches that can gradually cover the spectrum. To enhance the perceptibility of those moving peaks and notches, we sweep the flanger slowly, and sometimes add some feedback to accentuate the peaks and notches. Of course, sweeping slowly means that the very subtle pitch shift becomes imperceptible. In the case of chorus, the delay range used covers the spectrum with notches and peaks. They do move around, but there is never really a part of the spectrum *without* such changes, as is the case when a flanger starts its sweep from up high. So, rather than paying attention to peaks and notches, we pay attention to the pitch differences. People usually run chorus pedals a little faster than flangers, which makes the subtle pitch changes more perceptible. What's the difference between chorus and "doubling "? When we have a "chorus ", all the musicians are attempting to play/sing the same thing at the same time, from a score (and maybe conductor) they follow. If they had perfect pitch and timing, it would just sound like one individual, except louder. But some are a little flat, some a little bit sharp, creating a thickening. In the case of what we call "doubling ", this generally involves a musician listening to playback and *copying* what they hear. You still get the slight variations in pitch, but more importantly the musician is relying on *listening* to the track, as opposed to following a score. That action inserts a slightly longer delay between original and copy than is the case with chorus. That delay is sufficient to impart a different character. Most analog chorus and flanger pedals can be converted from the one to the other via a simple component-value change. Beside the delay chip will usually be the clock-generator chip. And snuggled up beside that will be a small-value (usually ceramic) capacitor; say around 39-220 picofarads, depending on the brand/model. Making the capacitor value smaller (e.g., reducing 82pf down to 47pf) will shorten the delay time, and making it larger (e.g., from 82 up to 180pf) will increase the range of delay time. I like to insert a 3-position toggle to have three different delay ranges for different flavours of chorus or flange. The caveat is to a) know what you're doing before attempting such a mod, and b) not aim for a much longer delay range, since the pedals filtering might not keep enough of a lid on the clock noise.

[@monkeyxx]

this is the answer I was looking for... thanks Mark Hammer

[@mikek1348]

Any fx video beginning with The Camera Eye is fine by me.

[@PariahEarth]

Whoa! I’ve never seen that picking technique before! I’ve seen that alternate flicking done on a bass before but never on guitar. That’s rad!

[@shckltnebay]

RUSH FLANGER! The Camera Eye Nice job on an obscure song.

[@hh4826]

Obscure song? On a best selling album? What

[@shckltnebay]

Anything but Tom Sawyer, Red Barchetta, and Limelight are obscure for Radio!

[@hh4826]

Nah man, just because it's not on the radio doesn't mean it's obscure! Especially for Rush, a premier prog rock band

[@AndyDemos]

Let's call it a 'deep cut' :) I try to go for those rather than the familiar ones. Thanks!

[@zachary963]

Never really hear Rush in demos!! Love it!!

[@coheedandgeddy2900]

Andy with the deep rush cut!

[@LazyCat010]

Ooh, "Barracuda!"

[@gabriel_moulin]

It would be cool if you guys made a video about filtering effects, like wah wah and envelope filters, also showing them on other instruments like bass and keys.

[@TheLinkszal75]

Awesome video! Maybe make one comparing a phase pedal to a flanger

[@MeatyController]

I love chorus. Juan Valdivia of Spanish band Héroes del Silencio was my inspiration to begin using the effect. I'd love to see a multiband chorus pedal on the market, kind of like what Boss did with the Hi-band Flanger. It would be great to have a chorus that can warble heavily on low E and A strings, but be less dramatic on the high E and B.

[@jom3767]

I though he used Detune, but anyways both sound great when playing Valdivia's music.

[@ferst.9026]

it was a detune

[@brandenwilson4378]

Camera Eye as intro! Love it!

[@joeydubois]

andys ten times better with his fingers then most who play with picks

[@jondubb35]

NoiseFeedMusic No way. That’s why his tone is so good and unique! His fingers give him a signature sound. You know exactly who the player is with his tone.

[@monkeyxx]

I was gonna say finger tone is bullshit and then I remembered about Jeff Beck

[@jondubb35]

monkey dangus Jeff Beck, Lindsay Buckingham, Mark Knoppler, Ritchie Kotzen... I could go on. Many of the finest players of the rock and roll era play exclusively with their fingers. Not to mention that tone is also influenced by your fretting hand and specifically your finger tips. The old saying about tone being in your fingers is true.

[@AndyDemos]

Jondubb78 Thanks, well said!

[@jondubb35]

AndyDemos If this is Andy responding: I used to rent a rehearsal space from a guy named Jon Osborne. I believe you may know his sister?? Maybe married to her? I can’t quite recall, as it’s been a couple of years since I last saw him. Anyhow, small world! Cheers from Denver! Jon

[@markferguson3745]

Komo Rebi, EQD, Walrus Polychrome, OBN Flatlight,- along with the Mr. Black Shepard's End.Take your pick; all great pedals.

[@saint-cetacean]

So what I'm hearing is buy a flanger like the Pyramids that I can use to replicate chorus sounds?

[@RubHerSoul1]

I think you need a phase shifter for Barracuda. But Andy is spot on with the flanger on The Camera Eye here.

[@JohnOhkumaThiel]

I love how you explain how a flanger works, because it’s exactly the same in quantum physics with light or any other form of radiation.

[@adam872]

The. Camera. Eye. You beauty!!!!!

[@timctone489]

I can listen to this guy talk and won’t make me want to fast forward, nor close the video nor turn video off. He has my utmost attention on all his videos. For some reason. 🤷🏻‍♀️

[@goldenultra]

I remember the more expensive early eighties televisions had this stereo effect where one signal w@s slightly delayed, giving a stereo effect. These were giant televisions, not necessarily large screens, but very fat. They were considered quite state of athe art then, kind of like a flange effect. Nowadays just plug normal headphones in any device and you get a realistic 5.1 surround effect, how times have changed£&£@#@343

[@SceneComparisons]

John Lennon came up with the term "flange".

[@VoxMax1200]

dimitreze - - John..

[@foodlord1]

let's flange it again and see

[@A.lee1312]

isn't chorus pitch vibrato is blended with the dry signal? boss ce2 or even the julia seem like good examples of this. you get control of the depth of the pitch bends and speed of the bends. the vibrato setting on the julia just takes the dry signal out, no?

[@gunnerjohnson5445]

Genius! Sure get a lot of education on the Web. Thanks! I personally disapprove of flanger in a ballad. But in Barracuda it is a top notch effect.

[@Vitalka_project]

Flanger have more features and can sounds same like chorus?

[@milenadeltorto7158]

Nice! I really liked that pyramids flanger.

[@ITZMothman]

hey whats the ending song that is played! or is he just jamming! sounds so nice!

[@daleweber2579]

I'd like to hear Andy do a stereo setup two amps with his chorus & Erth Q'r Flanger it would sound sweet.

[@suhailcouto1832]

Vibe (univibe) vs vibrato would be great

[@KingTabor]

I feel the sense of possibilities

[@thewomanwithnohead]

Very interesting ! I thought I knew everything about chorus and flanger, as I use them a lot in my own videos, but clearly there's many things and details I did not know about ! Never overestimate your knowledge ;-)

[@AkiraSpectrum]

Wow this is an awesome video! Thanks!

[@thebestian]

Did the 2 notes at the end sound like the into to rush's red barchetta to anyone else?

[@DavidRFIT]

I read somewhere the very inexpensive Mooer E-Lady is one of the most sought-after flanger pedals out there and actually is better than almost every other flanger. Is this some BS?

[@anttik5764]

David RF Atleast Bjorn Riis (he has the biggest David Gilmour tone site on the internet, called Gilmourish) As I recall says that the E-Lady is one of the best flangers, taking into account the price. It actually beats many flangers twice or thrice it's price. It is out of production because of some copyright stuff, but mooer has a new version out called the "Elec-Lady". As far as I know, it's the same effect.

[@al271987]

The ADA Flanger and the Boss BF-2 are both excellent flangers.

[@abcdefgjklmnopqrsuvw]

That Pedal Show's "Flanger" episode covers on OG Electric Lady and the E-Lady. Def nice, comparable sound for price...dunno if it could withstand active gigging though.

[@stinkylefart3205]

I have one and I must say it is in fact very nice. Come very close to the Electric Mistress sounds that you hear from David Gilmour.

[@LeviBulger]

It's not among the best of the best, but it definitely does an electric mistress better than most newer EHX mistresses. The only issues are that it can be noisy and doesn't get along with some pedals. But fir the price, definitely better than a big chunk of flangers out there. The BF2 is a damn good pedal too.

[@marcolalama6729]

Fabulous video. Knowledgeable, decent and professional. Thank you!

[@john564holloway]

Great video, Andy! I noticed your gear list and I also have the Ibanez TS-7 & love it! I play mostly everything thru that pedal compared to my Boss DS-1 & Digitech Metal Master.

[@ShaighJosephson]

The Pyramid sounds pretty damn good... 😮

[@jeffjordan1536]

I'd like you to get ahold of a Locobox Rotophase and demo it. Andy's reviews are the best.

[@TVGrec]

Wasn't the EHX Flanger Hoax released 10 years ago earlier than the thru-zero pedal than pedals mentioned? Has two independent delay lines.and the dry can be blended out.

[@Cuardaitheoirfirinne]

How would you recreate the effect of the Roland Dimension D chorus effect to get that bigger sound? Beautiful playing as always:)

[@MDC249]

Easy, buy a boss Dimesion C

[@sassycat]

Can the Pyramids pedal recreate a Leslie effect?

[@zhou_sei]

@3:20... NAILED it!

[@davidkieltyka9]

Hey, Andy’s got an old copy of The Tube Amp Book. Nicely well-worn too. :)

[@cillianwebster4886]

Does anyone know what electric guitar Andy is using in this vid?

[@georgeesteban2178]

whats a phaser

[@andredegiant3876]

I've never been a big fan of Chorus, but dang if Andy's old DOD doesn't sound magical. That, the EHX Small Clone and the Ibanez mini reissue have my attention

[@Frankour0097]

What's that song at 5:30 ??

[@edadpops1709]

Gotta put the FX 65 on your new board build👍🏻

[@spicyboi-zb3mf]

anyone know the song at 5:16?

[@SquareWaveSymphonies]

Very cool video! Thank you! How about different styles of fuzz compared? XD

[@damondahl]

THANK YOU!

[@ChrisJoyeMusic]

Would love to hear more on delays, if you haven't already. That and Compression, maybe..

[@Jack-OLantern]

Well explained! Thank you

[@GuitarMan22]

The focus is sharp in the City!!

[@luisgoregonzalez7394]

Love both effects

[@NathanChisholm041]

I got some flange last night! She sounded great;-)

[@USALibertarian]

I still don't know what they are since I don't know which one you are playing.

[@gregafeldman]

This guy is a beast

[@GuitarExpress]

Awesome playing and review. Thanks for sharing

[@octavioleons.5900]

Tio guitar lo encontre 2 años más tarde xD

[@binface9]

Is that a flubbed note at around 45 seconds? Man's human after all!

[@billtice5057]

Good stuff!

[@etrivard]

ANDY for prrrèzidähnnnt !!!

[@CarlosVargas-cn7rx]

5:16 song?

[@trenthall8904]

PsychoticEd Darude Sandstorm

[@abcdk3805]

answer at 0:57

[@evil1st]

1:50 did you ripoff Sonic Youth? XD

[@buffkangaroo3765]

What song is he playing at the beginning?

[@matthewprather189]

The Camera Eye

[@milocabral7428]

The camera eye eh? Yep I’m in love

[@maractate4304]

tabs???

[@SamuraiBud]

I wish they put volume control in all modulations

[@aaasss8257]

2:10 A mosquito was flying near my right ear... Annoying...

[@theogrice5410]

Camera eye?

[@mikrokosmiko1]

I find really difficult to focus in what you are saying with the background music. Maybe it's the sick riff, maybe not

[@alejandronieto576]

Thanks.

[@VoxMax1200]

I am a Chorus man.. Best efect ever..

[@italia9757]

The first solo sounds like Brian May 😍

[@MrBones-lw2bf]

It’s rush 🤦‍♂️

[@sharkattack67]

@@MrBones-lw2bf it's Mr. Alex Lifeson😊

[@awkward6198]

ayyyyee the camera eye

[@markharwood7573]

Subjectively, I find the flanger more useable over a range of settings, because the chorus puts things queasily out of tune. Thanks for the rational explanation though.

[@pclindholm]

Andy rules.

[@alexgreychuck7605]

overdrive vs dist

[@avid2112]

The Camera Eye!!

[@CyanKash]

Hi Andy

[@Symphonyofstars]

I believe the original ada flanger did through zero flanging correct me if I’m wrong and that was in the 70’s

[@hallofshame6112]

Learning ax3g korg simple one

[@USALibertarian]

Can't go wrong with a little Lerxt.

[@JUNK_ZONE]

Flanger is an anti chorus. Same exact thing, opposite operation.

[@carlitoxb110]

0:33 omg 😱 brutal

[@antondhondt9851]

Technically they are similar, but a person must be really earless in case he can't differ flanger from chorus audially! Try to imagine Roland Juno-60 with a flanger instead of its famous chorus module. That's the point.

[@morrisonkey9490]

Cousin Larry really can riff!

[@richardrichard5409]

So the chorus and flanger aren't clean, there are other effects over them.....I'm sure I can hear overdrive on there too? 😎

[@srcastic8764]

Flanger sounds a lot more like a phaser than a chorus to me.

[@MikkelGrumBovin]

Is it just me - or is Julia the most beautiful soundinf Chorus on the planet !? ...... Im in love - and her name is ....Julianna !

[@jacksprat3009]

Listen to Andy's review of Strymon's Deco (I love Reverb, but IMO, it's the best) kzbin.info/www/bejne/i3vcmKtmf5qppMk

[@zhou_sei]

dammit i wish i could have curly hair. or hair at all on the top of my head, for that matter.