Chris Langan Proves that the Logic of Faith and Interpretation Lead to CTMU Metareligion

[@lardplanet]

Great work, thank you!

[@Person4649Person]

Another great and enlightening video! It's amazing that something so simple, yet so profound is constantly missed. OF COURSE you must understand up to some degree what you have faith in! But people often repeat "I don't understand the ways of God, but I have faith." Clearly, they do think they understand something, but they just don't know how to put that into words. I think most of the time, people who say this are feeling something like "I know there is absolute truth." "I know there is a being greater than I looking after me somehow." "There must be some reason to the universe, it can't be random." "I know that good and bad are real and objective." "I feel that somehow I will live on consciously after my body dies." "I know the natural or physical world is not all that there is." I think topological containment being dually equivalent to logical cause-and-effect is another important clue to the relationship between understanding and belief, or knowledge and existence. "Conspansion is not just a physical operation, but a logical one as well. Because physical objects unambiguously maintain their identities and physical properties as spacetime evolves, spacetime must directly obey the rules of 2VL (2-valued logic distinguishing what is true from what is false). Spacetime evolution can thus be straightforwardly depicted by Venn diagrams in which the truth attribute, a high-order metapredicate of any physical predicate, corresponds to topological inclusion in a spatial domain corresponding to specific physical attributes. I.e., to be true, an effect must be not only logically but topologically contained by the cause; to inherit properties determined by an antecedent event, objects involved in consequent events must appear within its logical and spatiotemporal image. In short, logic equals spacetime topology." - Chris Langan, Physics and Metaphysics

[@FentonMulley-cz8pv]

What is the difference between confidence and faith?

[@Person4649Person]

@@FentonMulley-cz8pv I guess that would depend on how you use the word. They can be the same or different.

[@havenbastion]

Logic is relationships that always replicate. Nothing to do with topology, although those relationships can be expressed geometrically.

[@havenbastion]

Faith is belief without appeal to evidence, the polar opposite of knowledge.

[@ctmuist]

@@havenbastion >"Faith is belief without appeal to evidence" No, faith is trust, i.e., a degree of confidence. As the video explains, that's based on knowledge.

[@Certaintyexists888]

How does Chris account for his faith in the continued reliability of Logic?

[@JethroTClampet]

Reality is literally you in void of nothing. Your conscienceless is separate and finite. Chris Langan articulates this truth brilliantly. His intelligence is truly next level.

[@leolarcher]

Awesome video! Thanks for making this really understandable!

[@benwrong6855]

We don't know what we are either, which in theory means we can never know anything until we fully understand the nature of ourselves and consciousness

[@FentonMulley-cz8pv]

Absolutely not. I guarantee you will think totally differently after a college course on logic/epistemology.

[@havenbastion]

Self is the story you tell about how you fit into the world and society, from your unique biological perspective.

[@JonahJayTaylor]

You can over the course of thousands of years see how the brain has developed and evolved to what it is today. Which seems to suggest that at one point of time humans only behaved in very simplified terms. Now we have the ability to think abstractly, reason, being introspective of ourselves. Your statement also seems to imply a difference of us to that of the animal kingdom. I think this idea that humans are the only "conscious" beings of earth is erroneous. Chimpanzees will perform altruistic behavior similar to that of humans; birds have been shown to exhibit cognitive assessment. These statements imply that animals may be more conscious than what we give credit for. CTMU interesting enough applies the fundamental framework of evolution in of itself by providing a feedback loop that humans have been using to develop cognition for hundreds of thousands of years and that this process would be infinite. Any animal could evolve to what humans are in terms of cognitive process, but this is highly unlikely because we are unique in many aspects, being bipedal with hands is one. With that you only have to answer the question of our nature. CTMU suggest that in end we are only an exhibition of Gods intellectual mind and with that we are one being and if we are a product of Gods mind then in essence, we really are one as the common denominator is God himself. This, in my opinion explains the supernatural phenomena of near-death experiences and DMT hallucinogens states which is becoming much more documented in the literature and both of these experiences have similar characteristics of oneness, entering dimensions, a deity. I find it intriguing that people who have never been religious will take a substance like DMT and be sitting at the last supper of jesus christ or be floating above their body with a 360 view of their surroundings but I'm just rambling at this point.

[@Fyfyfindusus]

We know what we know about ourselves. I mean I have the problem, that I don't understand the difference between Faith and knowledge here. For me the step to faith seems just irrelevant. I understand that we can acquire new insights through knowledge/ontology . But what is new about that?

[@gregmwilford]

Stellar Work Sir, the production is seamless, professional and cuts right to the Core of Langan’s message. Well done! Best regards, Should be used in Philosophy 1000 and Religion 1000 courses in University. Would mightily introduce the power of Langanite theory to Students (perhaps one day it will!)

[@FentonMulley-cz8pv]

If you took a Phil 101 course you would know why this nonsense seems so secret. Langan has an incredibly awful grasp of philosophy and technical terminology.

[@CHIEF_Games]

@FentonMulley-cz8pv seeking to understand. Can you give examples of why your opinion is this way? Seems like pretty brilliant concepts in my perspective so I'm surprised and really curious to see what makes you think so.

[@horsymandias-ur]

Finally. The much needed esoteric Langan that sees the religions of revelation as a utility in governing peoples.

[@FutureNihilist]

Langan says that logic is absolute Truth, but if I successfully tell a lie, have I not done so by arguing logically?

[@ctmuist]

Lies are usually logical. If you try to lie by being illogical, people can usually tell you're either confused or lying. What exposes a lie are facts-of-the-matter (e.g., whether or not you were in a certain time or place), not necessarily logical analysis.

[@FutureNihilist]

@ctmuist in another interview, he said Truth must be logically coherent and topologically factual, or something like that. Must be what he meant. Thanks

[@nickmakris2971]

Even when I lie I tell the truth Tony Montana Scarface

[@FentonMulley-cz8pv]

Please look up these questions in the Stanford encyclopedia of philosophy. That is the source professionals use. I suggest looking up "falsifiability"

[@gsit80]

- Knowledge is a set of objects - Object is a thing with attributes

[@STONECOLDET944]

What if that's what ls lacking from religious texts, a scripture itself on how to interpret the texts to prevent open malicous interpretation

[@arizonaboy59]

Chris said in another interview that the basis of understanding reality was binary either or thinking. My concern is applying that kind of thinking to religion or theology.

[@ctmuist]

To understand this, you have to understand how statements and the concepts they refer to are structured, it's an advanced topic.

[@ryanlerouche5122]

That sounds nice but that’s Hård because some religions seem to be teaching like opposite moral and ethics in there Meta narrative. And little stories.

[@mresab1997]

Well said.

[@bulgingbattery2050]

Is reincarnation possible?

[@ctmuist]

It is possible, yes. Although, it's not the best option available. When a person dies, their history and identity remains embedded in the timeless level of consciousness. What happens next depends on what makes that person's identity and history special, i.e., their beliefs and choices. In the CTMU, there's free will as well as something called self-simulation and distributed solipsism. While free will entails that at the semiotic and semantic levels, you participate in creating reality in a way unique to yourself, the latter two entail that you create your own world. What happens to a person's soul in the afterlife depends on what they believed and how they acted, while teleology acts as a constraint (i.e., you can't go to Heaven if you were evil, simply by believing evil people go to Heaven). How that person's identity is re-injected into spacetime (and "which" spacetime) is a process that brings those things together. In Langan's own words "this could be recombinative process, with the essences of many people combining in a set of local injections or “reincarnations” (this could lead to strange effects…e.g., a single person remembering simultaneous “past lifetimes”)." If you're someone who can commit to teleology, then there are better options available than reincarnation (e.g., resurrection), but they carry higher moral requirements.

[@bulgingbattery2050]

@@ctmuist Have you ever heard about the Noosphere, also known as the Earth information field?

[@ctmuist]

@@bulgingbattery2050 I wasn't familiar with the term, but I've heard of something similar described in NDE accounts.

[@danskiver5909]

I find it useful to try to understand God’s first principles and intentions when creating our universe. From our perspective the foundational properties we see in God’s creation are expressions of his first principles, (harmony, logistics and existence). These same first principles are the foundational principles we use to create our linguistic and social systems. Everything is spoken into existence whether It’s God or us creating.

[@gabrielpadilla7839]

Robert anton wilson paraphrased: interacting processing; i can only tune in interacting processing; not only do i seem to be a verb, but the whole scenario universe seems to be a verb... i see no nouns, only verbs, non simultaneously apprehended

[@RustSymo]

Pure logic.

[@FentonMulley-cz8pv]

He is using almost every concept and terminology from epistemology as if he's never done any research.

[@abyddeon6249]

Most religions are ethnoreligions (including all abrahamic) and are simply the collective control over particular core ethnicities, themed by historically cumulative astrotheological elements, which gain complexity with each assimilation through empirical conquest while each denomination is a division of thought groups within that ethnicity... of course, there are exceptions, but it is statistically relevant per demographics as well as origins of ethnicity... while it is a common story about a great flood, we have geological evidence to prove this and it was so important to keep track of the movements of celestial bodies over the course of 10s of thousands of years to prepare for encountering an extinction level event right around this time between the age of pisces and aquarius; we are expected to make progressively more frequent contact with the taurid debris zone, which was responsible for the sudden melt of the ice age causing the great flood... the truth is, every breed of human is purposed livestock with inherent dispositions/ typical traits for the future planning of human civilization as well as its contingencies for survival... all scriptures of various belief systems are intentionally filled with vague ambiguity to protect the hidden knowledge few tasked with the responsibility of human preservation are privy to while giving them the edge to influence their assigned human herd collective ... but it can also be undone just as easily with the realization that one religions savior is anothers false prophet, and all denominations are directly opposed from which they separated, positioned like dominos... whats your move, chess boi...

[@HomeOverTheRoad]

Tell me you dont understand my religion without telling me...

[@MS-od7je]

There is a great deal of misunderstanding of the Bible. Its meaning is fractal… meaning different things to different people or groups of people depending on time … time being fractal too. Thus a historian can say that “firmament “ meant something different than what I would interpret “firmament “. Etc… The brain is a Mandelbrot set complex morphology! The Mandelbrot set has a logos which is identical to the description of God.

[@FentonMulley-cz8pv]

The mind is the function of an evolved apes brain. There isn't anything supernatural or "metaphysical" (a word christians never take any time to look up in the Stanford encyclopedia of philosophy) there.

[@mikewaddell8814]

There's only one truth his name is Jesus Christ 🙏 glory to God Almighty Yahweh Yeshua and the holy Spirit 🙏

[@JD-ev1uj]

Of course, interpreting correctly, depends on human frailty. And we know how undependable it is. That's why we need Information outside of ourselves from the source of truth. First, truth is not encompassed in all religions. Can't be. They can share a few aspects but not their differences. I would never place the Quran or any other belief on a par with the Biblical text. Call it instinct.

[@samo4003]

Chris is too optimistic regarding his CTMU being able to resolve religious differences. I would like to see him fitting and interpreting the four major religions (Christianity, Islam, Hinduism and Buddhism) with the CTMU and see whether those religions will agree with his interpretations. 😁

[@sam-hx2pq]

You needn't worry about whether the ctmu is a correct "interpretation" of any other language system. That is the power of logic and why it can filter religion.

[@samo4003]

@@sam-hx2pq No, it doesn't. It explains at best only one half of Buddhism view of reality.

[@haikeaintiaani9183]

Id have near lethal encounter to glass door and lost blood and tendons i had exstreme vision angels that showed my father turning to child at my lap and voice told me your father is your child you must love and care feeled his scars on his head then light being putted us on chessboard like place and i escorted my father out of this place i was12 years old now im 39 im now caretaker of my father yes i belive in god and angels this kind a vision is like springboard easy to take leap of faith little bit like walking other leg and arm and eye out of this world ireally dont know whats the meaning of this vision ive interpreted it many ways but surely you start trust gods plan and will prhasing him more without asking looking for sign and even start trusting on them too

[@Jaded-Wanderer]

Great video.

[@ryanlerouche5122]

I would like to see it practice. To see if any bugs show up. Theory vs real world evidence. Maybe I am not interpreting Chris well but I believe GOD can heal All types of brokeness I believe he can use Evil for his purposes. It seems to me people are being groomed into Ideologies from birth that might conflict. If a child is groomed to be a murder from birth. Who’s fault is it. Or is he just plainly Forgiven by GOD.

[@mikewaddell8814]

King James Bible is the word of God.

[@Knight-of-the-Immaculata]

Not quite. You are using a Bible corrupted by Protestantism in 1825.

[@akinogun7213]

🤔 Moses Ten commandments where easy to understand and interperate- God is physics to my mind. But subsequent prophet interpretations leading to diverse religions relying on Faith seems to be the problem in modern times . Modern religion is used as a vehicle for( tax benefits and other nefarious activities including crude brainwashing) . The only way to test a religions integraty is by the followers actions { practice what they preach} . Moses, Jesu Christos and Mohamed seem to be the most consistent prophet's of Faith. For bio- mechanical energy ( sapien sapiens) to exist in a hostile universe and coalesce from Pure energy {EM} forces seems like a miracle to me.🤗

[@kricketflyd111]

I recommend archeology.

[@valderramalamay2965]

🔥

[@FentonMulley-cz8pv]

Oh boy. Please buy a dictionary and the SEP. This is embarrassing. This fella has obviously never interacted with a biblical scholar or the Stanford encyclopedia of philosophy. Very irresponsible.

[@ctmuist]

What is it that the video misunderstands?

[@FentonMulley-cz8pv]

@@ctmuist to start. The definition and appropriate use of philosophical terminology. He is taking colloquial uses of technical terminology and acting as if his equivocations are magical new information. For example. I know very little about cars, I do know that a catalytic converter is a part, but I have little clue what it is or does. I could try to act like I know what it is through parts of the words or some type of etymology, but to a car mechanic I would sound like a total idiot. But to a person who ALSO doesn't know why a catalytic converter is, I may sound very intelligent.

[@ctmuist]

@@FentonMulley-cz8pv I meant what did the video actually state that is a misunderstanding? If you don't refer to anything specific then you're asking me to look and hope that I find whatever it is you're thinking of.

[@FentonMulley-cz8pv]

An easy one is how he avoids what philosophers call "degrees of confidence" to mean "faith". There's even a whole methodology within epistemology used to calculate these degrees of confidence called Bayesian reasoning. Faith is not a word philosophers use unless discussing belief without any evidence. Even then they use words like presupposition or brute fact. This level of misuse of basic philosophy terminology is like saying I know what a catalytic converter is because I have an idea of what a catalyst and a conversion is in common language.

[@ctmuist]

@@FentonMulley-cz8pv >"An easy one is how he avoids what philosophers call "degrees of confidence" to mean "faith"." And why would that be wrong? >"Faith is not a word philosophers use unless discussing belief without any evidence." Why should we defer to the way you claim philosophers use it?

[@mikewaddell8814]

The smartest man is less than a termite compared to the creator.

[@stanleyrobson4622]

The Word of God reveals and trains even simple men and women in the logic needed to know the truth. Our accumulated learned and experienced knowledge (both directly personal and shared among each other) in turn serves to broaden by further application our experienced understanding of truth and logic. Our failure to be in turn true to a truly enlightened state is the measure of our sinful or ignorant state, which is something that we all are inherently subject to by our personal failure to see through deception and lies that serve as opposing forces to truth. Only by knowing the ultimate TRUTH as HE was embodied physically (by studying the WORD of God) and then more directly through a real relationship in the SPIRIT with the person that is Jesus CHRIST can we hope to be enlightened. Then our personal life experience and knowledge could start to manifest something approaching complete logic that will adhere to and be sustained by the highest and awesome perfect universal law of God’s love as a real lived experience. AMEN.

[@havenbastion]

Langan is not a metaphysician and doesn't understand metaphysics.

[@CHIEF_Games]

This is such an ignorant comment. First of all, understanding isn't excluded by absence of profession in metaphysics. Secondly, if you knew anything about his biography, you'd know his understanding precedes him on the topic. Have you read his paper "An Introduction to Mathematical Metaphysics" or his book "Introduction to Quantum Metamechanics"?

[@Most_Trustworthy_Weasel]

A mirror doesn't show reflections either.

[@kricketflyd111]

He is a materialist, no offense but He is in the danger zone and does not realize it. Maybe try dropping the physics, he knows plenty there and go to archeology and the Esoteric studies. I say this from hearing his interviews, he is missing religious understandings that of the philosophers that are alchemists.

[@depiction3435]

This is so idiotic.

[@ctmuist]

Elaborate why, if you can.

[@mikewaddell8814]

King James Bible is the word of God.

[@mresab1997]

Amen. You’re on your way my friend.

[@mikewaddell8814]

@mresab1997 thanks for the encouragement brother 🙏 blessings to you ❤️