Chris R. - Depression - AA speaker

[@sandrabrooksher666]

Rehab almost killed me. I’m not a meeting makers make it alcoholic. I’m not under the illusion that I can do this without a power greater than me. Thank God I had a sponsor that cared enough to tell me she’s not here to be my friend, she’s here to show me how to get unblocked from that power. Also Thanks to a sponsor who spent the time to work with me and took the time to send me links to Chris Reymer today I get to carry the message. I need these steps...All of them.

[@kriscowley3241]

I thank God for the exact same reasons ☮️💙

[@Lizzy514]

36.8 years. I don't need AA

[@sandrabrooksher666]

@@Lizzy514 Not everyone does. AA doesn’t hold a monopoly on sobriety. However, through my own experiences, I needed A design for living in the BB.

[@PriestessPath8]

I think i truly finally understand this disease after this talk and this message truly can change the true alcoholics life.

[@nerinanicotra581]

I wish there were more Chris Raymers in meetings in Ireland!

[@leerobertson2043]

Chris is one of the few people who are strong and real enough to tell the truths and how his experience was in AA . And, people think he's a mad thumper. And, is so controversial. ... All he is saying is, what the book says and not his opinion like the majority of non addicts who are in the meetings. Why would I say this ? I know it's a certainty that saying it isn't a worry for me. I know that the majority of people in the rooms haven't done the steps and don't have to get a spiritual awakening as a result of the steps or they'll die. People regularly tell newcomers to do 90 in 90 and forget the steps until they are a year or so clean !!!! If you're saying it and it's your experience, then you're not the real thing and if the person who is new is the real addict then you will kill them. A real addict without the programme and doing the steps asap will use again. The books very clear on this and meeting makers don't make it. Non addicts do. 90 in 90 isn't in the book and a judge in America sentenced someone to do this or go to prison. Easy does it isn't about the steps but it's about the man giving up everything else like coffee and fags too fast. This isn't a self help group as real addicts can't help themselves. The book clearly States that, the whole purpose of the book is for the reader to find a power greater than self. Why ? Because I am powerless and this means that, I have less power than the illness. Therefore it's clearly showing me that I have to get some power asap. Talking about the neighbours and my babysitter do fucking nothing for me to get any power. Only one way out for the real addict and this is to ( like the book says ) grasp the programme like a drowning man would a life raft.and doing the steps asap and service are the best and a certain guarantee for you to be recovered. Not recovering but you can be recovered. The obsession to use hasn't returned in 26 years and I'm going to say, I am recovering and can relapse at any time. Not true. Work the programme like the book says and I'm guaranteed to recover. Am I still impatient and defective at times ? Of course I am. Nothing to do with this. One promise is made by this programme and that's, the obsession to use will go. It's got fuck all to do with my partner, childhood, job and any issues at all. So why are 99 % of people in 99 % Aof the meetings sharing about that shit.??? If this stuff causes you to use then you're in the wrong place. Meetings are to share about the power of God, the steps and carrying hope to others. A newcomer said to me, I'm dying from the needle and I just wanted to know, is it possible to wake up and not have to use for just one day ? And I spend an hour listening to people moaning and telling me about using and I don't want it. And then, on his way out, he's told to, don't use even if your arse falls off.... Like saying, oi homeless side just get a home. If he could just get a home then he wouldn't be a homeless dude. And, if he could not use, with his arse still intact or not, he wouldn't be an addict. What crap people say. So, he uses and thinks, meetings aren't for him as he must be a failure as he can't not use. The people hear he's using and say, he didn't really want it or he's not had enough !!!!!!! NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. NO. !!!! He's without any hope again because the place he went to get it from, didn't offer none. So, he left with no hope and no power. Tradition 5 wasn't even displayed in the room. BUT, instead of accepting some responsibility and admitting that, the people didn't really care or even notice a newcomer in the room, they have to blame him. Success rates are around 8% right now !!!! Yes, 8 fucking measly % of people are staying sober. To begin with in tthe early days, Success rates were around 75 % !!!!!!!!!! Why ? Because people didn't offer excuses and were ready to read there step 4 about 3 weeks into the deal. And, the message wasn't the watered down, relapse accepted and the steps not urgently done bullshit that is being carried and the done thing nowadays. Simplest way to say it.... Stop killing people who are real addicts with this not a real addict opinion of yours. Chris Raymer is being abandoned in the trenches and I'm doing him the only service that a real addict can do and will follow him along the same road and carry the book too.... Why ??????? Because I have seen too many times the families tears being shed at their loved ones needless funerals, caused by, at best, misinformation given by misinformed and megalomaniac non - addicts who just couldn't be arsed to give freely the same thing that was received freely by them. Only non - real addicts don't agree with Chris. .............. That's you....ok. look at your truth if you are emotionally well enough to do so.

[@TruthSetsYouFree-JC]

Lee, Thank you so much for taking the time to write this lengthy reply. Chris’s message was what is so needed. I have been “dry” off and on for years. Had a few drinks in Feb because alcohol is not my problem it is the answer to what’s going on inside. And once again after that drink I felt okay inside. Decided this was not the road I wanted to travel and started going to the local Alano. Nice people but no one extended an offer of sponsorship. “Raise your hand if you are willing to sponsor someone”. I look around the room and one or two guys raise their hand. I just figured everyone’s lives are too busy to be sponsors today. Finally asked someone to sponsor and she said her sponsor told her she was too new to sponsor and declined. I want to know where the meetings are where people take time with new people. I want to get this so I can give it to others, but I need direction now. Any ideas or direction is greatly appreciated. God bless you.

[@leerobertson2043]

@@TruthSetsYouFree-JC great hearing your words as even the painful one's are sprinkled with hope. What meetings are you most benefiting from and what's the area you are looking to find meetings to attend in please ? It's sad hearing somebody's asking for help and many people don't want to get involved with them. These people are obviously not of the level that the book describes as, being real alcoholics and addicts as people who are on this level have to get involved or die using.

[@TruthSetsYouFree-JC]

@Lee, thank you. I live in The Twin Cities (MN) and benefit most from AA.

[@leerobertson2043]

@@TruthSetsYouFree-JC I thought that it was going to be in that country and I'm living in London, England. Amazing, how much more easier you can talk to people who are so far away.

[@TruthSetsYouFree-JC]

Lee Robertson Amazing how we speak the same language. Would enjoy sitting in your meeting and hearing from you. I went to a big book meeting today and shared what Chris said in this talk. It sparked some conversation. We read 246-253 and all amazed at the sacrifice and commitment and love B & B had for the still suffering. Do you and your partner attend any online zoom meetings?

[@Mandalas12]

Your talks took me from entertaining checking out to sponsoring another lady and carrying the message, doing the program as outlined in the book

[@blessedmslady7341]

GOOD 👍👍💖

[@rowanfrancis9011]

Yup I crave !

[@rowanfrancis9011]

Ok irritable maybe restless, and seriously discontent 🙏

[@rachelblackburn669]

How can a member of AA contact this guy?

[@Cb22075]

Why is the title depression?

[@rowanfrancis9011]

How do you know they are not alcoholic , I mean isn't it classic in denial, I've went to meetings drunk, I've went and said the line, but felt I was lying , I might not be alco, have cirrhosis, went to a meeting said the line, and still feel u don't really believe it 2 months, 7 days sober

[@Lizzy514]

Lecture. See ya.

[@SCzxjk]

Slow down man

[@sirena11]

Yea lol....I put playback speed at 0.75 to follow him.

[@SCzxjk]

Bless him he means well 😆

[@garethjones6880]

Why is he so cross?

[@teacup3133]

Because without the program we’re dead or the living dead. People are messing with the program the way people are messing with the Constitution- neither are flexible documents. To alter or interpret them is to create a path to destruction.

[@Johnconno]

Because he's fucking nuts, dummy.

[@kriscowley3241]

Passion

[@niallwilson3787]

Because he is not afraid to speak his truth this is what we need to hear in meetings and it will piss a lot of people off usually non alcoholics who have no fucking business in AA sharing a message of poverty and war stories

[@rachelblackburn669]

Because most members are not working the actual program and they are suffering or dying or both.