Chris Wilson: Diablo Immortal is not a game

Turns out he was right. Path of Exile is the best ARPG currently on the market.

[@styxzero1675]

I dont even play PoE anymore but I respect the hell out of their devs and especially Chris. He is a breath of fresh air in this rotten industry.

[@Dar1usz]

yeah with 9k active players in april, and 5k playing in may before new league, amazing achievement and retention of players, so fresh they already lost 66% of players after new league

[@styxzero1675]

@@Dar1usz Did I say I like the game? No I said I quit poe and that is for a reason, I do however as I said still respect their devs and Chris because of their stance against pay-to-win and slimey business practices that games like diablo immortal have where they build a game around mtx rather than mtx around a game. See the diffrence here?

[@CoinFlipAhri]

@@Dar1usz not saying that people aren't quting the league, but using steam stats in games with multiple entry points is kinda useless

[@RichHeart89]

​@@CoinFlipAhri yeah. especially when it's about PoE which has a long history of steam client being a shittier version than the standalone due to how they used to handle patches in a kind of 'non-steam friendly way' there are loads of us who play with the standalone client still just because of that

[@Dar1usz]

@@styxzero1675 lol u forgot about stash tabs ? Or untradable cosmetics with 60 dollars price tag ? Ppl are spending real money using websites to get items so i really dont see difference here.

[@OnePieceRooster]

Well that statement actually aged pretty well. Playing Diablo immortal for me felt like I was playing a watered down version of Diablo 3 where you have to drop a few bucks on every single rift. Fire up D3, unequip all your legendaries, and put 5 dollars through a shredder when you open a rift and you're basically playing Diablo immortal.

[@MikeHawksDry]

This is amazing lmfao

[@deadsouI]

@@Dar1usz you actually need, unless you dont want to get legendary gems which are the core of the whole end game. You get like 4 rare crests a day for free that have 5% chance of dropping a rank 1 to 2 legendary gem. And you get around 3 legendary crests per month that have a 75% chance of droping a legendary rank 1 gem and only 5% of dropping a rank 5 gem, inside thoose 5% you get 0.05 % chance of it being 5/5 on drop. Max level gems improves your skills and stats a lot and allows you to awaken the armor and make the gear it self much better (i think this part is straight behind a paywall without free alternative). So unless you want to farm 3 times a month + 4 rifts each day around 15 minutes of gameplay per day. His statement is quite accurate.

[@Malquior2]

@@Dar1usz you are Crazy Man... I finished the game just right now, got some legendary stuff... But what really makes the diference is the legendary gems and the only way to get a 5/5 is the fkn Rift... This the endgame... U can talk about PvP, Dungeons and all the other things... But How can u beat a Guy that have Full set 5/5 gems ?

[@hua..]

@@Dar1usz rich statement coming from a diablo immortal "lemming" lmao

[@brennanreilly9475]

This right here!

[@mkall]

he is right, it is not a game it is a blizzards cash grab

[@frankcoley1537]

Diablo Immortal, for what it is isn't a BAD Mobile ARPG. Not at all. A lot of well thought out things. Torchlight: Infinite is ... I can't believe I'm saying this very well done. It could almost be a full blown game. Both, for Mobile games are honestly THE BEST ARPGs for Mobile hands down. They're both enough combined to stop me and hold me over from PoE. Also I love PoE (and hate it lol) it's just PoE IS SOOOOOO Time consuming. It's disgusting sometimes how much time that game sucks up. It's still fun, but just time consuming as hell. All around why can't we enjoy them all? Shit we can play Diablo Immortal while playing PoE lol. We do, in fact have phones haha

[@tomlongworth5387]

Its like lost arch part 2

[@sidchheda]

Netease bruh

[@barsnack7999]

And poe is a suffering cause this madman hates fun

[@Bumbum_Inspector]

@@frankcoley1537 This comment made me puke, not going to lie.

[@deviantgaming9575]

"A lot of our community went to play those really good rpgs" A man of respect 🙏 knows when to give respect to other games that are actually good.

[@chrishayes5755]

Lost Ark is a trash game for weebs. It looks soooo bad lol.

[@Skenjin]

@@chrishayes5755 good gameplay but trash story

[@Onimirare]

@@chrishayes5755 I like Lost Ark, I wish PoE had that smooth gameplay, or Lost Ark had the build complexity of PoE. Both are pretty good games

[@hobblobber3914]

@@Onimirare lost ark felt great to me with combat right up until you feel the grind is kicking in. I didn't want any part of the LA grind.

[@meefvongrau9814]

chris wolcen once said during a baeclast episode: "We measure the success of a new league by how many employees take a holiday for it. Metascores are just one metric." i like how he thinks :3

[@garsto9718]

I fucking love Chris Wilson. Every game designer should aspire to be like him.

[@The_Totes_Adorbs]

I think Chris Wilson single handedly is the reason PoE isn't 10 million times better. They just need to fire him, and make Mathil the head of GGG

[@gor.]

@@The_Totes_Adorbs I think Chris Wilson single handedly is the reasone PoE isn't 10 million times worse. They just need to hire him, and make the head of United Earth Government.

[@Dar1usz]

yeah with 9k active players in april, and 5k playing in may before new league, amazing achievement and retention of players hahahaha

[@mintypowder4985]

@@Dar1usz actually it is the problem of gamedesign now, we work about numbers and metrics, not about players. And people like Chris just have to be there, to inspire other. Coz otherwise game industry is done.

[@gor.]

​@@Dar1usz I've just looked into steamdb charts. 4 lowest online numbers in last year are 12.7, 13, 12.8, 11.9k. Considering Elden Ring, Lost Ark and war in Ukraine, which has influence on all post-ussr region, this retention is kinda surprisingly high.

[@EmoEmu]

I really like Chris. He seems like a guy that genuinely cares and tries. GGG doesn't always succeed, but they keep going so the game lives on and on.

[@Dar1usz]

IF they care why they are losing players and in april max player peak been 20k ? lol 30k average players today after new league, more ppl play unturned than this boring and same game from 10 yrs, this game is dead, just to be ressurected on 2 months after new league - rinse and repeat. 1 month - 30k active players, next month 7k active players - amazing retention.

[@EmoEmu]

@@Dar1usz Arguing that millionaires aren't running a good business is peak keyboard warrior.

[@Dar1usz]

​@@EmoEmu nah this game is rotting, and they simply dont care anymore about players, they lost 66% of players in 1st month after launching biggest league to date, so numbers speak for themselves. "GGG doesn't always succeed, but they keep going so the game lives on and on." 😂😂😂

[@EmoEmu]

@@Dar1usz Sure. You know better than them. Geeeeenius. Someone should hire you.

[@Dar1usz]

@@EmoEmu i just see whats going on, while you are gloryfying company who sells stash tabs and nom tradable cosmetics priced like AAA game. Geeeeeeeeenius.

[@pkeod]

Blizzard used to make games that other devs copied.

[@Rawlingm]

Yeah, PoE is one of them lol

[@OverkillBillsXbox]

@@Rawlingm nah poe was made by one of the original diablo devs

[@chadhardt6136]

both ways tbh... the entire blizzard catalogue is based around taking other people stuff and make it better. now they take other people stuff and make it shittier

[@kennethnoisewater4423]

@@OverkillBillsXbox nah, Chris and his friends who founded GGG were just fans. you're probably thinking of David Brevik the ex Diablo dev who went on to make the Marvel Heroes ARG. he was featured at Exile con one year and briefly worked for GGG following that, I think. no Diablo devs 'made' PoE.

[@635574]

Now they make copium games

[@sirgog]

Having tried Immortal - this is the GOT Season 8 moment of the franchise. The moment where it doesn't matter how good D4 is - I'll never know, because the IP is dead to me now.

[@Baconbitowski]

pretty sure that happened at d3 launch, welcome to the club

[@billcranston3882]

It's a decent mobile game - not sure what you were expecting. The pc port is half-baked sure, and the monetization is insidious. But you can play it for free for something like 20 hours? Then stop. "D4 dead to me" what utter nonsense.

[@billcranston3882]

@@Baconbitowski D3 at launch was a better game than when item sets were introduced. I'll take a gold AH over the itemization crap RoS introduced.

[@Mageblood]

@@billcranston3882 how is it nonsense to lose faith in these people? After this?

[@banishedbr]

@@Baconbitowski yeah and i really tried, not only me other ppl of the fan base explaining WHERE the mistake was but they never listened. And this is a RIP OFF from that same bad core game, this is just action game at the best.

[@UltimaKeyMaster]

I can only imagine what it must feel like to be able to say this to a progenitor of the genre your game is in. To clap back so hard effectively saying "yeah your new game isn't a game it's a scam" and having the numbers to back it up.

[@loganchristianson2805]

I uninstalled Diablo immortal and installed Poe yesterday, my friend is showing me the ropes and I’m loving every second

[@kaibe5241]

Wait until PoE2 comes out ;)

[@WEIRDxGRIM]

@@kaibe5241 It would be funny if they released POE2 when Diablo 4 comes out.

[@practic4l349]

@@WEIRDxGRIM this comment didn't age well lol

[@WEIRDxGRIM]

@@practic4l349 I said it would be funny, but looks like Diablo 4 already killed itself with it's balancing (only nerfs) patch. POE2 didn't even had the chance.

[@dIggl3r]

2 years later, how was your POE experience? 😊

[@3lit3gn0m3]

D3 Immortal is a great example of "ooh shiny" marketing. I played till level 6 and was like "the only reason to put up with this kind of gameplay is the story, and while it seems different form regular D3, it also just...felt the same. What makes me sad, is that people will spend real $$ to be strong in it. Mobile gamers are far too easy to take advantage of...

[@KABLAMMATS]

Lol no, no one gonna spend money on this garbage

[@zb3485]

​@@KABLAMMATS its literally the sole reason the game exists...its most def. built on top of years of collected data in the industry, the science of how to manipulate people into making a purchase after already investing a lot of time...it will most likely be more profitable than any of the other blizz games

[@narius_jaden215]

@@KABLAMMATS See that's the problem right there; of course people will spend money on it. It has the blizzard name on it so by default, some people who don't really care about the current state of affairs will just pay for it because they are naturally whales. Those people are HUGE spenders and a few whales can easily make a game profitable. I know that sounds crazy but just look up some of the insane numbers people spent on Lost Ark. We aren't even counting the casual dolphins that will buy smaller things and the battle pass. I hate to say it because I want this to change, but mobile monetization tactics are immensely popular with publishers because it's so easy to get people to gamble their money away.

[@MostWantedWannaBE]

i mean it's a strict downgrade to d2 even the gameplay from what i've seen is dogshit and i can't even comprehend how people compare it to d3

[@gollese]

tbf, i enjoyed the game more than i thought i would.. I played shit ton of D3, just curious about the story. Won't be putting any money in it.

[@BreadCatMarcus]

PoE is literally one of the best F2P models I've even seen. I usually refuse to pay money for F2P games, but I actually forked out cash for stuff in PoE because I believe the devs actually deserved it.

[@goradhen]

Agreed. I spent a few hundreds in PoE over many many years. If the model is not there to raid your wallet then I'm open to micro transaction. Guild wars 2 is doing it for mmos, Dota 2 (unless it changed since i stopped playing) for mobas and PoE for arpgs. Feel like there's less than 10 true decent business model games in the AAA market. I keep giving shit to RL buddies who are spending non stop in Diablo and other p2w mobile games. They are the problem.. them and the parents not educating their kids on the risks of gambling.

[@michaelfinger6303]

yep thats what every decent gamer with a few bucks to spare does, supports the games he/she likes and in the end he/she actually spents more then the game costs just to show appreciation

[@whatameyex8249]

I agree, there is so many fcking haters out there but poe is the first game i actually spent money on to support because its a good game, with a shitload of replayability... who cares about 30 or 40$ stash tabs lol, better than 10k in diablo immortal and not even getting a star gem lol(quin sadge)

[@Laeshen]

​@@goradhen whoa whoa whoa, did you just blame the people spending money on a game, for that game having microtransactions. No, it's the business model to blame; a business model that relies on paying actual fucking psychologists to create ways of disguising or creating predatory marketing. The problem is fucking capitalism, how backwards does your worldview have to be to blame the poor fools who spent money on a mobile game.

[@frankcoley1537]

Actually PoE is based off some really old school MMO ideas. They're not the first to do hideouts and skins. Man games back in early 2000s did this. Interesting model, but was never done justice. I feel like PoE does deliver enough that if you're playing why not fill some small gaps in your time. Buy cool shit and as you grown and learn add to the game whenever you want. Not many games can get away with this... these days. Many sell Pay 2 Win gear and mechanics. For example... Fucking Mega Ten online, fun game. They sold gear and clothing, but much of it was just pay to win.... They just needed the game to speak for it's self. PoE Speaks for itself.

[@smoker6683]

Virgin "Do you guys not have phones?" vs gigachad "that's not a game" developer quotes.

[@smoker6683]

@@SeasoningTheObese What company doesn't tbh.

[@SeabeSlays]

It’s cheaper and a better experience for a mobile player to buy a gaming PC + Diablo 3 then to play Diablo Immortal.

[@Azygousz]

lol

[@Am4t3r4su]

You are actually correct. As it would take thousands of dollars to ever reach an endgame build in immortal where buying a decent computer or hell, even just buying a damn nintendo switch as cheap as they are and a copy of diablo 3 is actually a better deal at this point.

[@narius_jaden215]

Much better investment, that's for sure.

[@mistralf1530]

Underrated comment

[@WernerFigueiredo]

He was waaay more right than he thought.

[@undeny]

Oh he knew EXACTLY how right he was.

[@ticklord]

No, I think he knew exactly how right he was. It being in the same space it's kinda important for him to keep tabs on potential competition, which D:I is not lmao

[@Sjeg84]

I'm pretty sure he already knew what's comming.

[@tweeze123]

Hes in the same business. No doubt he had inside knowledge of diablo immortal

[@chupasaurus]

A reminder that they renamed the league to Betrayal right after Diablo Immortal was announced at BlizzCon.

[@TheStrongestBaka]

Damn, i like how casually he threw that roast in, there wasn't even a shade of doubt in his voice.

[@narius_jaden215]

Unfortunately he is quite correct. Frankly, I can't understand why people even want to try Diablo Immortal. It's basically a worse D3. I'm not a d3 hater to be clear, I actually love the game, but Diablo Immortal looks like a cheap, shitty paint job that you have to pay exorbitant amounts of money for if you don't want to suuuufffer.

[@hoshi314]

it's novelty, AKA "ooooh new shit wat dis?" and you can guess how many will drop the game later down the line.

[@nxsgt]

While I agree the monetization is disgusting, its still the smoothest playing ARPG for a phone. If you restrict yourself to f2p and dont care about leaderboards, you can get some good gameplay out of it

[@noein9747]

@@nxsgt well people reviewing unplayable does have access to their gaming gadget. whereas i that constantly moving for project assignment, my only gaming gadget is my phone for how small it is to carry. and diablo kind of good although the blatant p2w scheme. there is other option like undecember and torchlight infinite tho which mimic poe at building your character

[@chadhardt6136]

people wants to play inmortal for the same reason why people go back and buy the latest wow expansion even if all they do is constantly shit on the players. The novelty of something new and hype bullshit.

[@frankcoley1537]

In the games defense. It's a mobile game. If you've played Mobile games you'll notice many of them aren't competing with PoE lol. Also, many ARPGs on Mobile are hot garbage, like most are Chinese, or are very cheap! The design of Diablo Immortal isn't bad at all. Really it's good. Just play it. Forget about D3 , forget about it competing with PoE. Just take a fat shit and play Diablo.

[@PizzaTheHutt8281]

Diablo Immortal has been a great ad campaign for PoE

[@Nukestarmaster]

I still remember that shortly after the reveal of Diablo Immortal, PoE Betrayal League was announced with the line, "they believe they are immortal, we will show them that they're not." I will choose to believe that that was not coincidence.

[@leemay3097]

I prefer the line "Don't you have nets, exile?"

[@cl8lf1wm8b]

@@leemay3097 Wow I never thought about that

[@DKintar]

Well.... coincidence is that Betrayal league was not named as Immortal:)

[@choke-]

Thought u said bestiary league and was very confused about the timeline

[@DKintar]

@@choke- Don't you have nets was added as line only when Einhar have been returned - so, in Betrayal

[@nerulon089]

He's right, Diablo Immortal is not a game, it's a slotmachine and you can't win there.

[@biduMandias]

Sure you can. Just invest over 20k us dollars and your set to win!

[@taxevasionexpert8217]

@@biduMandias nah 20k maybe you get a 40% net loss, you kinda need to dump like 100 grands+ to even do the high end content

[@ReDHaWko]

@@taxevasionexpert8217 try to look in to some other mobile rpg's. you get Vip when you spend money, more you buy you gain higher vip lvl. then when i checked like top 5 players they must have spend like 100000 Dollars on a "Free" mobile game

[@taxevasionexpert8217]

@@ReDHaWko don't worry, I know about those, there used to be a gacha game that have a very f2p friendly system that got destroyed by a new board director, they changed the pull rate for top tier character from reasonable to incredibly small, then conpletely removed them from the gacha pool and you have to pay to be able to get one. Thats not all, for one character to be max level/limit break, you need a copy to evolve them into a higher rank and those character start at rank 4 and the max rank is 6, and it get worse, for a character to be able to limit break, you need a copy of them for each level and theres 5 limit break level. So in total you need 9 of the same character to be able to max them and this doesn't include evolve materials, inner trait materials, weapons(a character can have 2 weapon, 2 armour, 1 accessory and an exclusive relic, exclude the relic and accessory, you need mats and copies to evolve the weapon as well, and the weapon will have a substat meter that you need to upgrade which is complete rng, it could give you a +0)

[@art43541]

@@taxevasionexpert8217 20k would be enough but are we seriously talking about putting $20k into a game that should be $40? This is paying to do rifts in d3

[@Corrupted]

That people even tried Immortal is so shocking to me, it really couldnt be more obvious of a cashgrab

[@charlesdelvallee7585]

I don’t understand this opinion. Im currently playing it full f2p and having lots of fun. The game is incredible for a mobile game. I would be disappointed if it was Diablo 4 but it isnt. Its just a fun mobile game.

[@caio3568]

Welcome to the age of people who diligently and happily eat garbage.

[@Corrupted]

@@charlesdelvallee7585 it's extremely predatory and bad for the industry, what's there not to understand?

[@LVOskarliNE]

@@charlesdelvallee7585 go in pvp, gl hf. Only new quality game rn is lol wildrift that obviously isnt p2w because its a moba. Only thing you can buy there are skins, emotes... hah even the graphics are 10x better in wildrift if your phone can handle it

[@danialyousaf6456]

​@@charlesdelvallee7585 guess you've never tried punishing: gray raven or honkai impact 3rd. I suggest playing them.

[@Frozen_Hope]

The C in Chris stands for Chad, the W in Wilson stands for Winner, be like Chris, be a winner

[@OiMitch]

I loved warcraft growing up. War Warcraft 3 was one of my fav games. Due to the bad reviews etc and issues I never played the reforged. I feel I won't bother with this new diablo

[@banishedbr]

you mean REFUNDED

[@BurningBzG]

Diablo Immortal is an obvious Chinese market cash grab. Anyone else arguing otherwise is delusional.

[@frankcoley1537]

Just play it. It's fun to play for a Mobile ARPG. Ignore PvP and ranks. Most if not all Mobile games are controlled by the Chinese. Pfft even PoE in some way is controlled by the Chinese. Haha

[@greycultivator]

i like pvp and rank, i can't ignore the fact that the game is p2w and not small p2w like lost ark where skillgap plays a thing, is impossible to even compete with anyone who puts money in the game, is a fucking joke.

[@0nobody365]

@@frankcoley1537 if you played it then there's no doubt that you are the part of the problem. Its encourage other company to have the same module because they always get away with it. Dont be mad if somehow this bs predatory mtx reaching in other platform too such as pc and console. People who in this ignorance are 100% the part of the problem.

[@0nobody365]

Gen z have no clue what's real memorable fun is beside drug, money and girl. Welcome aboard Immoral world. Rip

[@dmign]

@@0nobody365 what's wrong about those? you can't gatekeep fun

[@stevenarvizu3602]

Hi, League of legends player here. Saw Doublelift play this game, thought it looked cool and I’ve been playing ever since. Played Diablo immortal and it wasn’t that fun f2p so I went back to Path of Exile. Thanks to the Devs for making a cool and relaxing game for me to take a break from the competitiveness of League

[@christianmoos7806]

anyone believing that blizzard will actually release a proper game is on some heavy COPIUM

[@alexseguin5245]

Yeah, company's been rotten from the inside for more than a decade now.

[@CloudOfDarkness9999]

thinking diablo immortal is bad because some guy who runs a company that is in direct competition with diablo immortal says it's bad. No need to believe in it, diablo immortal just came out and it's stellar, I know because I've played it and it seems most people agree... Almost 5 stars on the iOS store with 50+ thousand ratings

[@christianmoos7806]

​@@CloudOfDarkness9999 im not basing my opnion on this interview lol, got somewhere between 5-10k hours in the diablo franchise and another 20k + in path of exile. Blizzards games is just horrible these days, if you actually play these kinds of games u would know that path of exile is years ahead of any diablo game.

[@jesse2535]

Not only he recognizes the trash that Diablo Immoral is, he also recognizes a good RPG when he sees one and understands when the community goes out to play said RPG when it releases even a their best player retention.

[@stevestrangelove4970]

I like his view on the metrics, they already know what they compite against in every league and those they see retention not as a contest with those games but as players fidelity.

[@solemityprudent1869]

Diablo Immoral is not a game, its a slot machine with extra steps.

[@Pshaurk]

and no chance of winning real money

[@sellerie8228]

i hate it when demons disturb me im in the casino

[@KAZ64OST]

Konami pachinko,co-f

[@CloudOfDarkness9999]

i thought that was poe? though I wouldn't really know since poe has such bad performance my expensive pc can't even run it smoothly.

[@Kriddle1229]

@@CloudOfDarkness9999 Then you either download too much porn with viruses or your PC isn't as expensive as you think it is. I have zero frame drops and run the game at max settings. 140 frames consistently. No lag, no freezes. And my PC is ~5 years old.

[@GenericGoon95]

He was on the mark with this take. I quit the previous league to play Lost Ark with friends. That hype died and we quit like 2 weeks in and I didn't have to energy to come back to PoE. But this league I hit level 100 for the first time since there weren't any new hype games that grabbed my attention.

[@Sandlchi]

As much as I wish he wasnt as reprehensive about opening up the game to newbies I admire the pure chad energy

[@pawelkapica5363]

Now after playing it for a bit and watching people's content that reached level caps and resource caps it's clear that Diablo immortal is only designed to get kids addicted to gambling so they extract cash. mark my words, they will try to implement some of their greedy tactics into Diablo 4. This isn't the Blizzard we once knew. I feel sorry for the oldschool devs that still work there and gave their creativity and energy to be complicit in this exploitative company Blizzard has become.

[@Dar1usz]

xd

[@thesoffen48]

Don't feel bad about the original Blizzard devs, iirc there is only one left and he works in the art department.

[@fisharepeopletoo9653]

When was the last time you encountered the blizzard you once new? It's been nearly 15 years since Blizzard merged with Activision, and somehow people STILL act like there is hope for them. Blizzard has been dead for a long time, and comments like "this is the downfall of blizzard" are ridiculous, you're talking about the downfall of a corpse that hasn't lived for over a decade.

[@thesoffen48]

@@fisharepeopletoo9653 True.

[@whatameyex8249]

If they try and add this type of monetization into d4, the diablo franchise dies and so does blizzard lol... i can see them adding skins or something, maybe poe like stash tabs.. but not all this shit..

[@DaX87Swag]

Its so funny that ZiggyD tries in the beginning not to laugh from that statement made from Chris, but was impossible not to! 🤣

[@Amizori]

I mean.. Diablo Immortal was Blizzard handing over to NetEase D3 assets and said "Here ya go! Make us money!"

[@timproc9355]

“Play those good rpgs” not a salty dev. Got give them a thumbs up for that.

[@yimwee2401]

The man knows quality when he sees it

[@Rare_Pepe]

lost ark is a good rpg? lol lmao even

[@SomeIdiot983]

I pay between $80-100 for every season I play in POE. I'm happy to pay for games that provide many hours of entertainment. Blizzard couldn't lose any more respect from me - I'm not even interested in Diablo 4 anymore. I'll be sticking with POE and Project Diablo 2, thx.

[@Stacko1515]

True. I LOVE the Diablo IP. I even loved Diablo 3 right from launch. But this shit hurts.

[@Rhyas9]

Diablo Immortal is an out-of-season April Fools' joke. It's not a game. XD

[@jaybayer3670]

I can not believe they turned rifts into loot boxes. I was pretty indifferent about a p2w Diablo game but the monetization Is atrocious. I actually think the government needs to step in here. If real life gambling is illegal why is it legal to gamble your real money for pixels?

[@verdarstormrage4926]

Since when is gambling illegal? You've mistaken gambling with taking advantage of a gambler. Yeah, that's borderline illegal and some countries have banned loot boxes, gamble to keep gambling, etc.

[@jaybayer3670]

@@verdarstormrage4926oh I didn’t realize it wasn’t illegal nationwide. I live in California and I assumed it was the case for the rest of the states. The California State Constitution makes gambling illegal (California Constitution, Article IV).

[@verdarstormrage4926]

@@jaybayer3670 No its not banned worldwide sadly. In most European countries it is not.

[@JibanExE]

Looking foward to PoE 2, the true Diablo heir PoE devs have the torch on the genre since D3, they are the guys to look foward into making great ARPGs

[@aroace7913]

I hope people know that Poe 2 is a big update on the original game and not a new game.

[@firefly5677]

The worst part for me is the gameplay actually looks pretty good, but Blizzard just couldn't help themselves and had to make the scummiest P2W microtransactions they could. Whatever small hope I had for D4 is completely gone. Guess I'll play D2 until I die

[@NickMaruca]

honestly if you want that gameplay.. just play D3. Its pretty much the same game, but worse.

[@Lord_Humungus]

@@NickMaruca precisely

[@Ariocsneedle]

You cant be a d2 player and think diablo 3 4 or immortals gameplay looks pretty good...

[@Ziggykitty666]

@@NickMaruca yeah play the exact same game again for the millionth time vs a new game that is still decent on it own

[@firefly5677]

@@Ariocsneedle I prefer D2 but I don't think D3 is bad. Disappointing, yes, but not bad

[@StevenKetchum]

Seeing all the Diablo Immoral news and then downloading the game just made me want to play PoE instead. Sad: Diablo 1 was my entry into PC gaming, RPG's, even web design to help run a clan. Blizzard guided me into my professional career path, now it means nothing to me.

[@thunderassclap]

1 year later, he was still right. Diablo Immortal is not a game, in fact it is dead.

[@baddownload]

Love POE, NZ represent

[@DarkCrusade3]

I find the notion that Diablo Immoral is a slot machine offensive. At least with a slot machine there is a -slim- chance you make your money back, but with Diablo Immoral, all money is just wasted.

[@lifeloverNorris]

Chris's word of wisdom

[@Ixxlostinabox]

Some of the PoE devs work near me and iv met them at a local burger shop, they are the nicest people and you couldn't ask for better workers, they love what they do and it really shows.

[@rickm9244]

When DI came out and it was shown how bad it was in terms of stealing money from people. I was very thankful POE is the game it is. Is it perfect? No. Are the skins expensive? Yes. But at least it's not DI.

[@EwokPanda]

Diablo Immoral was meant to be released on April 1st, but had to be delayed.

[@sunriseparrabellum5505]

he’s absolutely right, it’s not a game. it’s a slot machine with a diablo skin

[@strife8092]

This aged really well

[@wills8946]

I’m convinced that DI is monetized to the extreme in order to beta test how much they can get away with in D4. So far it’s not looking good based on the sales…my faith in blizzard went from rock bottom to dead with this release

[@seanmills7586]

this also encourages other companies to try similar things. Immortal is a serious problem, but if all games become this way i will just quit gaming all together. They think they can force you into paying if everything has microtransactions but people need to maybe find a new hobby if this becomes a trend.

[@phillipcrofts147]

I think people are missing the joke, pretty sure what he meant was “we’ll pretend diablo immortal doesn’t exist, don’t go and play that, stay here and play poe” not saying that to defend immortal in any way, it’s shameful, just think maybe his words have been misinterpreted

[@Koroar]

I think you're spot on actually, people have taken this other meaning and rolled with it and while it did end up to be fairly true I don't think Chris meant it that way haha

[@hoshi314]

i mean POE Mobile is in the works and it looks way better than Diablo Immortal by miles....... though i wish i can do flicker strike build there to utterly melt my phone LOL

[@ThePepe969]

Blizzard is known to make games that run well though unlike GGG. Even though PoE is a much better game, I'd trust Blizzard more for making a mobile game when we're talking about performance.

[@AnonymousStillTaken]

@@ThePepe969 Absolutely, as a person who plays till the end game of pretty much every league in POE and adores POE... I am really sceptical on whether the mobile POE would even run past 1 fps on a phone with how GGG deal with performance issue.

[@0nobody365]

@@ThePepe969 it's netase not blizzard and i rather have some bug than aggresive predatory bs mtx

[@ThePepe969]

@@0nobody365 I'm talking about performance not bugs.

[@mihailovasic6567]

@@ThePepe969 Blizzard didn't make Diablo Immortal. It was developed and published by Chinese devs under Netease.

[@Dorgrident]

the intentions of chris and ggg are just great. they do not always hit it right, but longterm they figure out the mix between their vision and the community needs.

[@jackyc9930]

To be honest When we just talk about game itself. Diablo Immortal probably is the best MMORPG mobile game. It is well made with high quality. But, they have to ruin it by you know what.

[@crowvizion9588]

LOL umm…no. It’s just a Chinese mobile mmorpg with a Diablo coat of paint. Open your eyes dude

[@ratburgler]

I am assuming you haven't played any other "MMORPG mobile game". lol

[@Seproc]

Are you drunk when writing this statement? Eternium is the best mobile arpg not diablo immortal.

[@ianfitchett2768]

I don't really play poe anymore because I have kids now and the time commitment is just too ridiculous, but holy hell was elden ring an unexpected bomb shell for me. There were other games on my list that I fully anticipated playing and never even touched them solely because of Elden Ring. Even total war Warhammer 3, which released on game pass, didn't get any playtime from me

[@BigHeroSixy]

This is the first Ive heard anything from Chris Wilson but he makes me want to play Path of Exile.

[@vyersreaver1749]

And he was correct, it’s not a game, it’s a Skinner box.

[@peterflokker4266]

I love poe and GGG and Chris. They do a great job.

[@ArmageddonEvil]

Got to say, that was hilarious. A literal PoE Developer calling out on what Diablo Immortal is hilarious. "It's not a game, it's only a money-stealing game."

[@peterstevenson9472]

Serious respect for Chris Wilson even if I struggle to really get in to PoE.

[@rusudenes8549]

u should just wait for POE 2, and give it then a try

[@aroace7913]

@@rusudenes8549 It is the same game, just another way to progress is added, maybe they make some big changes but the core game stays the same.

[@unsane604]

This aged well.

[@Bartooc]

It would not be a bad game without all the p2w. Blizz could've easily monetize it with cosmetics and some battle pass but no they had to implement all the known mobile cashgrabs into a single app.

[@3takoyakis]

They could still get customer And that's the player expectation anyway But they just need to get more greedier So it's the end for em since I believe OW2 won't rise as high as OW did

[@3takoyakis]

They learn from the best ofc Chinese dev for boatload of monetization with deceptively cheap price and always redirect to shop Korea dev for hellish grind and putting monetization to ease that grind Japan dev for gacha, pity system and also that cursed login monetization Western dev for expensive price, months of pass, and being not generous to player tactics They could take 2 WAYS but instead they take all ways to monetize

[@Calekoflight]

Just the way he said it....Well, many of our players are gonna play these other very good games and that's cool. It's the way someone that knows they're really good speaks. He's not trying to take over the world, he's just trying to make his game cool and fun and have players play it.

[@ForsakenSanityGaming]

It's weird how people even play it in the first place when D3 does the same thing but better

[@ticklord]

I'm a bit of a lore nerd for Diablo and the story is unfortunately kinda interesting. But past the story I ain't interested.

[@VestasCure]

Correction, D3 does the same thing better on PC specifically. Some people can't afford a PC, or don't have the time to sit down at a PC and play for long periods of time. If you're playing this game purely for the PC port, you're likely going to have an awful time. Purely speaking as a mobile game, it's a very good game (p2w aspects aside).

[@ForsakenSanityGaming]

@@VestasCure D3 also does the same thing better on PC than DI does on mobile as well is what I mean. Not that mobile is a super important platform for actual gamers to begin with either, but in their eyes it's simply another platform to make money from I reckon.

[@VestasCure]

@@ForsakenSanityGaming I don't necessarily agree with "D3 also does the same thing better on PC than DI does on mobile" because I'm not really sure how you can draw that comparison. It's all scaled back for mobile, at what point are you allowed to say it was too far for a mobile game? DI it's arguably the best in it's genre as far as mobile games go on release (ignoring p2w aspects), and easily competes with if not beats other games that have had years of development time/community feedback. That being said, obviously it's just another platform to make money from. Blizzard is a business, they're supposed to make money. My hope (arguably a bit too optimistic but someone has to be) is that those profits will help to make other games like D4 and future WoW expansions better games where we don't have to deal with these things since they're getting other revenue streams from things like DI.

[@ForsakenSanityGaming]

@@VestasCure They already have more than enough money to make those, it's all about creative freedom and competence. After the last few years I'm not sure they have enough of either.

[@bfam6066]

Not getting the hate at all. It's a mobile game. I primarily played Marvel Puzzle Quest on my phone for years. Sunk a lot of time into it and a fair bit of $ over the years. It's a time waster. It's not a "game" that I would sit down and sink hours into like any of the previous Diablo titles. It's Diablo "lite" and I'm loving it. I bought the battlepass and have been enjoying figuring it all out. I'm in no rush. It's a free to play mobile game. Wait for Diablo 4 if you want a full Diablo experience. I really don't get it. It's like whining that a macdonalds burger doesn't taste as good as a home cooked burger that you spent an hour making. It's Diablo "lite". What more do you want?

[@allnamestakenisnot]

He just says it so casually lmfao.

[@gvulture1277]

If Chris ever leaves from GGG he is going to be handed so many job opportunities, creators will want him to lead their teams.

[@TheBlubba13]

He's right. Diablo Immortal is a really overdevelopt storefront

[@danieltown2471]

He wasn’t wrong about diablo immortal.

[@NoOne-us9xv]

Note that he has no problem admitting Lost Ark and Elden Ring are good games, by his estimate, but refuses to even acknowledge that Diablo Immortal is one. It's clearly not just an "everyone else's games are trash" perspective.

[@hallo-mt5tx]

the purpose of diablo immortal is to make you spend money, everything in it is designed to fulfill that purpose i can legitimately see a real definition of a game that excludes diablo immortal

[@FlavorsomeMusic]

I haven't played poe in a couple of years, and the release of diablo immortal reminded me how good of a game this is. Mad props to GGG.

[@Calembunial]

He made good points about people quitting to go try out Lost Ark and Elden Ring, while acknowledging that Diablo Immortal would be nothing but a huge waste of time (and potentially money). If I had more spare time, I would love to give PoE another go - there's a couple of builds I want to try out.

[@MB-yj8hm]

Cash grab Diablo? Overwatch 1.5? Re-skinned Dragon people in Wow? Blizzard is just hitting on all cylinders boys

[@TimoRutanen]

Blizzard is only a name now. It's Activision, really. Businessmen with suitcases.

[@ramschasar7654]

Well you forgot wc3 refunded.

[@woodwyrm]

0:04 CHEEKY FUCKIN KIWI RIGHT THERE "We kinda knew it's awesome, we play the game ourselves"

[@neverlucky5444]

GIGACHAD Chris

[@bradliste1]

People still don't understand that Diablo immortal is a F2P MOBILE game.

[@davidreiser9663]

As a Diablo fan, I’m no longer a Diablo fan. 👌

[@owenthomas9863]

why?

[@zippo718]

They are owned by Tencent now yet still kept their integrity while Blizzard sold their soul long ago.

[@aaronbell5994]

I respect Chris Wilson.

[@mariuszj3826]

I can't believe I'm saying this but Diablo Immortal's release kinda makes me want to pick up Path of Exile now.

[@iv4nx3]

This guy is a legend!

[@kenjikodai]

We all knew Diablo immobile wasn't gonna be a thing anyways but now we'll see how greedy they'll be on D4, if they have anything purchasable that's not stash tabs or cosmetics. It'll be dead before arrival

[@fourtabsgod64]

Chris Wilson is like the arhcitect in Matrix

[@gasser5001]

GGG and PoE are one of the last hopes for gaming. They have their MTXs… and some of it makes the game “easier”, but it’s far from pay2win. PoE is a fantastic game. Super in-depth and tons of content. The freedom of class design is unmatched by any game.

[@yimwee2401]

I hate the sentiment around the new mtx. They just want to make cool looking mtx so that people can customize nearly everything about their characters, but the moment they do: "VISIBILITY IS HIGHER, PAY TO WIN TRASH!!!!!"

[@jamesburrelljr.8561]

Wow that was an understatement.🤣

[@No_OneV]

LOL the dude was so stunned at that statement. GigaChadWilson strikes yet again

[@Audiofears]

Gosh i love this bald man and PoE

[@ZZENWAY]

Actually true. Its not a game, its a "GIVE ME ALL OF YOUR MONEY + YOUR BANK ACCOUNT" sign. It's shameful to even call that a game.

[@maclura]

doesn't matter how they word it, the fact the company still exists at all is bad enough. nobody should forget their cosby suite or what they did to those women.

[@laszloneumann500]

Guys *come on!* Its not like You can buy gear in Diablo immortal! You can only buy *the droptable* instead

[@Gildofaal]

This video singlehandedly made me download Poe.

[@frankverisco4722]

To have fun with POE you need a ps4....to have fun with Diablo immortal you need a 4th job or a NBA contract.

[@Sybridge0210]

Yeah that is not a game. Finally something to agree with you Chris

[@tsukukyroho-oh-ho9472]

You know i often disgree with Chris POV, or his prediction. But I have to recognise when a man was spot on about something.

[@shawnmichaelis1609]

he called it, actual gigachad

[@samuelcasucci2930]

As a die-hard Diablo and ARPG fan - how do I get into POE?? I've tried multiple times, but the whole gem-skill thing just really puts me off for some reason. I really wanna give it a chance though

[@JRMods]

I have almost 4k hours in POE. Best advice i can give to someone new is follow a indepth new player build guide. That way you can learn the game piece by piece without actually having to know exactly what your doing. POE is a game you just learn by playing it, it looks way more complicated than it actually is, but following a build guide will make sure you can get through most the content. Following a guide will teach you basics of a build, once you know one future builds become way more simple to learn, and if you follow a guide you can focus on learning the content instead of juggling the content and a build.

[@samuelcasucci2930]

@@JRMods Thanks for the thoughtful answer, I'll try to find a build that really appeals to me and work towards it. Any fun ones you can rec? Idc about it's tier or whatever, I can min/max later

[@Seproc]

Make a character, decide a skill to use, and finish vanila. This is the best advice i can give to you. Finish the story first on your own. Make a second character, then follow guide. Youll be surpised at how easy it is the second time.

[@JRMods]

@@samuelcasucci2930 I can't really reccomend anything because everyone's tastes are different. For your first build just pick something you think looks cool and enjoy the game. Will it be the best probably not, but use it to learn the basics, and once you do try something else that catches your eye with that knowledge you learned. If you want some build recommendations there is a bunch of youtube vids you can watch. Just search "path of exile sentinel league starters". Tons of videos will come up and everyone of them should be enough to get your to end game.