Stop Burning Trees | 100 Days: Restore Nature

[@JamesRattray]

Thank you Chris, I will write to my MP and circulate this video. Thanks for all you do to make us all more aware of nature and this planet. Keep up the excellent work

[@sonicart1808]

Another sickening travesty in the name of greed, I would like to say a huge thank you to Chris and anyone devoting their lives to save our natural world, you have my total respect....

[@ascgazz]

Don’t forget to email your mp, too, they probably won’t read it here. 👍🏻

[@fredatlas4396]

Don't forget to tell all the anti climate change deniers who are slagging Chris Packham off, calling him insulting names like the bird man and saying he doesn't know what he's talking about. What a crazy country we are living in now, seems to be a lot of selfish and ignorant people here in the UK now. And I don't believe we'll ever get thru to them they just keeping reading the right wing newspapers and believe the lies and false propoganda

[@step2henskiski]

This is a perfect example of an issue that should be considered by a citizens assembly.

[@Otterysteve]

Big thanks To Chris and his team for highlighting this issue. I have emailed my MP from the link given.

[@fliss9962]

Thank you for highlighting this

[@annecarter1484]

In August 2024, Ofgem fined Drax £24 million for misreporting data about the biomass it burns 🔥 😳

[@mickd802]

Open the coal pits it is 4 times less polluting than wood pellets at drax

[@annecarter1484]

The uk taxpayer funded subsidies are shockingly high as are the profits paid to shareholders. Drax emissions are appalling. 😮Meanwhile people abroad suffer. Even transportation emissions aren't accounted for here in the UK.

[@Oceanstarz]

I totally agree Chris. my ex Neighbours cut down two beautiful healthy large Acacia Trees beside a park, ‘blocking their light’ WITHOUT planning permission. So sad, as these trees were a Home for so much Wildlife. Council did nothing, so my MP at the time took it to the House of Commons, and brilliantly the remaining trees now have Protection Orders on them…but my ex Neighbours got away with it 😐🌳🌳✨

[@bengreen171]

Acacia trees are not native and are probably detrimental to the local environment in terms of the impact they have on water availability. But yeah, we shouldn't just be hacking down trees to suit selfish aesthetic whims.

[@Oceanstarz]

@@bengreen171 Tx for that Ben, I didn’t ’now that…would it make a difference that is was in a Coastal Town? it was more (for me) that a whole load of Wildlife were living in these majestic trees, lots of different birds especially 🤗

[@bengreen171]

@@Oceanstarz It's a trade off - no tree at all v a tree of any type might be less detrimental or more beneficial depending on circumstances. I'm not denying the fact that those trees provided some benefits - and to be honest, an individual tree might not have too much of an effect - but it's something to be wary of. Invasive species can have horrific effects on the environment.

[@richardh8082]

@Oceanstarz Sh1t in their letter box!

[@robinhughes8822]

Just the name drax sounds sinister

[@chrisjames8143]

I don't agree with a lot of what Chris says, but on this you are spot on. An absolute con and a criminal waste of public funds, apparently in excess of 1Billion pounds so far. Whoever approved this should end up in jail.

[@Nukaria]

Thank you for this Chris!

[@tonyjackson7322]

Keep up the Excellent work Chris Exposing these Corrupt companies..

[@rivalrepairs]

Drax is stupid one of those creative accounting lobbyist ideas.

[@freeforester1717]

They are burning wood to comply with stupid EU legislation and carbon reduction targets, none of which are necessary. See Atmospheric Carbon, London, 18 June 2016 lecture, and try to watch the first and last eight minutes if you can't manage it all - you'll realise how much nonsense is peddled, how long it takes 'believers' to reform their ideas and how Laws of physics and the second law of thermodynamics are somehow ignored by those with an opportunity to gain from the alarmist message when combined with the ignorance of the public at large; Shakespeare wrote 'What a terrible era, in which idiots govern the blind'...

[@ascgazz]

Holy shit Chris! You’re a brave one mate. Happy to line up behind you! Email sent!

[@grishmann1man441]

And chris...u just got done in court !! So ..I plead the fith !

[@MiniLifeCrisis]

Am I right in saying that if Drax imports wood from overseas it doesn't count towards UK emissions?

[@jasonbullock2816]

So sad how horrible and uncomfortable and unfeeling drax and company like them are😢😢😢

[@CobinRain]

But the answer that is staring you all,in the face is nuclear power…it’s clean, utterly reliable and once set up very cheap to run.

[@bengreen171]

Wasn't Drax the bad guy in a Bond film? Moonraker?

[@richardh8082]

[@Rave-agent]

OMG not 12.1 million tonnes.

[@adamroots3429]

Go woke ,go broke ...RIP UK countryside in the name of the great big green CON...😮

[@harveytheparaglidingchaser7039]

Vital information thanks for sharing that

[@whitecompany18]

If the fine is 1% of their yearly profit why would they stop? Fines should be based on total profit and fines should go back to nature, not MPs pockets... Sick of all these green fines going in pockets and nothing being done... Nobody has any insensitive to stop if they're all getting paid 🤑

[@Humanity101-zp4sq]

MPs pockets? Are you alright? You really should get a library card and do some reading before you spout off this kind of nonsense...

[@abody499]

I vote for Chris.

[@lksf9820]

It is the wrong way to do things for sure, but then, there is no right way either. Everyway you look at it puts a burden on the planet. Anyone reading this needs to ask if they followed mine and Chris's example; we never had any kids, we do our bit for the environment for those selfish ones that did. Did you? Will you?

[@fredatlas4396]

I'm with you I never had any kids, done my part so far within my options. But it appears the environmentalists dont want to talk about the huge human population, which seems to be ever growing in most countries. When you say there's too many humans on the planet we need to stop having so many babies, they don't like it they say no that's not the answer, Why !!

[@lksf9820]

@@fredatlas4396 it's the painful truth and mankind is selfish. When it comes to the subject of the state of the planet 9/10 people point the finger at someone else. It's rare people say 'what can I do to help?' And then do it.

[@LouciferFlump]

Does anyone else find that their newly elected Labour MP will not reply to ANY email you send them (and I send them a lot) no matter what the subject matter is…? I’m loathe to even bother contacting him re this issue!!! 😵‍💫 Say what you like about Conservatives, but my former Tory MP was well liked in my constituency, he cared about local issues, he replied to emails, he even read a letter of mine out in the House of Commons once. Such a shame he was voted out just so we could get rid of Sunak! I can’t find a single thing my new Labour MP cares about. He’s not interested in healthcare, jobs, local issues, animal welfare, farming, roads, environment…will he care about this….🤔maybe one day I’ll find something he DOES care about….🙄👎🏻

[@crapisnice]

ELECTRICITY IS NOT RENEWABLE. Wind grain mills are, wind turbine compressed air is, solar cooker is, csp solar melting is, solar heating is. You should talk about real renewables and appliances and tools run by wind turbines or compressed air or csp solar. Electricity is a problem and consumer ownership and hoarding and energy waste

[@jsblastoff]

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[@grishmann1man441]

No ..its bollocks!...wind farms ..rubbish..solar panels? Crap....zero pont energy..and hydrogen...Honda is working toyota and others are working hard..

[@susllim]

What about the sixfold increase in mining that renewable green energy will require?

[@bengreen171]

what? Mining what? Waves? WInd? Sunlight?

[@susllim]

@@bengreen171 metals..rare metals. Lots in the deep deep sea...lots in so far pristine natural areas

[@bengreen171]

@@susllim and they're needed for renewables rather than fossil fuel technology why?

[@susllim]

@@bengreen171 The shift to a clean energy system is set to drive a huge increase in the requirements for these minerals, meaning that the energy sector is emerging as a major force in mineral markets. Until the mid-2010s, for most minerals, the energy sector represented a small part of total demand. However, as energy transitions gather pace, clean energy technologies are becoming the fastest-growing segment of demand. An energy system powered by clean energy technologies differs profoundly from one fuelled by traditional hydrocarbon resources. Solar photovoltaic (PV) plants, wind farms and electric vehicles (EVs) generally require more minerals to build than their fossil fuel-based counterparts. A typical electric car requires six times the mineral inputs of a conventional car and an onshore wind plant requires nine times more mineral resources than a gas-fired plant. Since 2010 the average amount of minerals needed for a new unit of power generation capacity has increased by 50% as the share of renewables in new investment has risen.

[@bengreen171]

@@susllim oh right - so you have nothing but vague assertions. Notice how you didn't mention a single metal or specific application. That's a red flag.

[@nebulaaah]

Let's also classify nuclear as clean energy.

[@Humanity101-zp4sq]

It IS classified as non-fossil fuel, because it isn't fossil fuel.

[@christill]

Also green growth capitalism isn’t going to help us. We need degrowth communism. But I fear I’ll be repeating that until I’m blue in the face and we’ll never actually do it. And we’ll all pay the price for not going that route.

[@mattgoodchild8215]

What we need as a species is to stop multiplying like germs on a Petra dish Unfortunately it’s already to late Humans are blinkered always looking forward but never looking back the world is run by money and greed 😢

[@jasonbullock2816]

Please save us😢

[@MrRWBREWER]

What a load of tosh!

[@christill]

I can’t even imagine getting our selfish neighbours to stop burning wood or using petrol lawnmowers. The country is just hopeless. Nothing intelligent happens here anymore. We could buy 5 electric buses every single day with that £2 million “green energy” subsidy to Drax.

[@trs4u]

We need Drax to power those buses. There is no "electricity mine" - it must be generated or harvested from RE, and if it's from VRE, there must be a generation scheme to fall back on. Solid and fluid solar energy stores (wood, coal, oil, petrol, gas) are what makes VRE usable in the UK. Until we replenish (I believe this is not only possible, but far easier in UK than in many other countries) the stores used by fall-back generation schemes using VRE, we cannot stop burning fossil commodities and wood that should form old-growth forests. It is *impossible* to reach NetZero by 'giving things up' in the UK, much less surpass it as we must for Climate Change remediation.

[@christill]

@@trs4u That’s the biggest load of nonsense I’ve ever heard I think… I had to look up what VRE is. Apparently means variable renewable energy. So this is the thing about needing baseload energy, which is also nonsense when we have grid battery storage. And then about net zero, which is a scam to begin with. We need to use less energy in general. And contrary to what you say, we need to protect old growth forests which are the most inportant ones to protect because they continue to capture the most co2 even though they’re old. This is a total myth that young trees absorb the most co2. And also because old forests don’t burn down as easily in wildfires. Honestly, it’s pretty hard to be as wrong as you are XD.

[@trs4u]

@@christill The "should form old-growth forests" in my comment is me saying that old-growth forests are what we 'should' be aiming to preserve, extend, replace, and even start. 'Old-growth' is utterly incompatible with burning for industrial-scale energy, and we must have industrial-scale energy from somewhere. The Royal Society have a lot of work online under the title "Large-scale electricity storage". Batteries are thousands of times too small and expensive to complement UK VRE, even for today's electricity demand which is only about 20% of UK's *energy* consumption. All our energy consumption must be non-fossil for NetZero to be reached, let alone exceeded, so we can avert the worst of Climate Change which will destroy forests anwyay. Burning wood is 'non-fossil' but at the scale of Drax it's an incontrovertible disaster for nature. Thinking we can solve the problems of Climate Change with a bit of conspicuous spending on 'green products', superficial recycling, and championing nature's poster-children might be quaintly, inexpensively optimistic, but it is also hopelessly wrong.

[@christill]

@@trs4u Well firstly, my mistake about old growth forests. I’m not talking about recycling or things like that. I’m talking about reducing our overall energy demand (which is easily doable. Most of our energy use is totally unnecessary). And we supplement that with some green energy (we already might have enough if we reduce our energy demand significantly), and changing the way we make things. To last a lot longer and be repairable. You’re wrong about grid battery storage though. Especially when we reduce our energy demand. And if we make no effort to reduce our energy demand, then we’ll fail anyway and it’ll be irrelevant.

[@trs4u]

@@christill I'm an advocate of 'reducing personal consumption' but it's nowhere near enough for what needs to be done. Efficiency gains and awareness (and industrial decline) have probably played a part in UK's energy consumption drooping a few percent over the last couple of decades, but industry must go on - it's the foundation of our nice lives. We're a 180GW country even if we don't bring back the manufacturing we've exported to even less ethically-minded places. About 160GW average of that is from fossils, a lot of it industry, infrastructure, defence. Personal efforts won't dent that, even if we could - every one of us - reduce our wasted consumption. The personal and national arguments are perhaps two different things? I save a fortune due to the way I live, but nothing beyond my garden gate has changed...

[@andrewgifford7740]

Thank you so much Chris, and everyone involved. The same goes for wood burning stoves in on-grid homes. Our neighbourhood air stinks of wood smoke all year round, thanks to this renewed fad of burning wood. Ads, TV shows, influencers are all peddling BBQ's, grills, wood fired pizza ovens and fire pits as if they're a luxury 'rustic' lifestyle accessory. They are filthy and inefficient fuel methods, releasing more pollution for the same amount of energy than gas, coal and even oil. Wood smoke pollution is incredibly impactful to humans, nature and planet. We ditched burning wood for fuel decades ago because it harms us, yet lax government legislation has let this practice creep back in. The stove industry wants us to focus on some hollow claim of Co2 neutrality (which falls apart once you look at the supply chain and the fact that newly planted forests take decades to grow) and to not ask what else is in the smoke - toxins, carcinogens and particulates which cause disease. Check out 'Doctors and Scientists Against Wood Smoke Pollution' for more info.

[@Humanity101-zp4sq]

People have been burning wood for literally hundreds of thousands of years. Get a grip! You need to go after the real bad guys. How many foreign holidays do YOU have in a year?

[@senna4281]

Get a life you preacher

[@baldy3405]

He has sounds like u don’t

[@Luke-cj7gz]

Chris! Look at Bitcoin if you want a sustainable future and healthy natural world. Bitcoin drives sustainable energy production and is the cleanest industry in the world (over 50% of Bitcoin mining with renewables). Take a look at how Bitcoin mining saved the Virunga National Park during lockdown. Bitcoin is also finite. 'Normal' money is infinite. Infinite money means never ending loss of biodiversity and natural resources.

[@christill]

Huh? We need to shut down cryptocurrencies, and AI while I’m on the subject of energy hogs.

[@Luke-cj7gz]

@@christill Using energy is a good thing if its from the correct sources. Bitcoin is finite money. Do you think infinitely created money is sustainable and good for the natural world?

[@christill]

@@Luke-cj7gz I used to agree that you can use more and more renewable energy. But I realised it’s nonsense. We need to stop growing and start shrinking industries that aren’t important. And no I don’t think any kind of infinite growth is good.

[@Luke-cj7gz]

@@christill you cannot shrink anything with infinite money underpinning everything. You need infinite growth to feed the infinite debt of infinite money creation. Understand that incentives would completely invert with non-inflationary money, ie. Bitcoin. Sustainable money means sustainable env. And I'm serious; Bitcoin mining is the greenest industry in the world in terms of relative energy use.

[@christill]

@@Luke-cj7gz Who said anything about needing money at all? Perhaps you should should take this up with degrowth communism economists. Since they could explain it better than me.

[@roddychristodoulou9111]

My bugbear is Christmas cards , why do people still use them ? I mean an SMS or a quick phone call will do instead and think of all the trees we could save . Millions of trees are cut down every year just for Christmas cards , please stop buying them .

[@Humanity101-zp4sq]

Do you have any idea of how much carbon is required to sustain the infrastructure network which enables phone calls to be made at a whim worldwide? Your strawman argument is unresearched received wisdom from a wholly unreliable source. You should learn to be more critical in your thinking. Christmas cards are not destroying biodiversity, profligate selfish luxury lifestyles, aircon, central heating and fashion are doing that!

[@JdeB-h2o]

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