Sepp Kuss Isn’t Owed the Vuelta and GCN is For Sale! | The NERO Show Ep. 49

[@jarrodfife242]

Jesse would be the type of rider to attack his own teammate in the leaders jersey just because he’d get a bigger bonus.

[@julienhuxley4172]

And he's had to deal with being the best rider on his team all year

[@xAudiolith]

I will not stand for the Kuss slander! IT'S SEPPTEMBER BOYS!

[@derosa67]

Jesse should take a look at Chris Horner's opinion on the Kuss situation. He's forgotten more about elite team level GC riding than you'll ever know and his opinion is 180 of yours

[@slutslap]

yes!! I have raced for several teams, and the rules apply the same. Its all basics for cycling teams. A lot of people can have a lot of opinions but the opinion that really matters its Chris Horner's.

[@theupperechelon7634]

Horner's tactics understanding is still in the 2010s. Modern cycling has left him behind. He's fun to listen to but he's going to end up sounding like a knucklehead (again) many times in the future.

[@mitchlabrador]

💯 agree. You don’t attack the race leader in your team. The one that has been there to bail you out and into two tours, giros, and vueltas. To be attacked by the very guys you bailed their butt several times before is just plain wrong.

[@jeffreypeters1902]

@@mitchlabrador There are a few exceptions- For example, your sprinter wins the first stage, carries the jersey to the first mountains stage....Nobody would expect a team with legit GC contenders to defend the jersey in terrain they couldn't possibly be expected to keep up.

[@proctermorris6657]

Horner has to be respected because of what he's done, but seriously, as an Aussie, I struggle watching and listening to him. I don't know why, I think it's an American thing.

[@garrettchurchey]

All the chat about “deserving”, “owing him anything” and such with Sepp is off base imo. He hasn’t been gifted anything really this whole Vuelta. He’s defended his position and has honestly gotten to this point of his own volition. The fact that no one can even compete with any of the 3 of them when effectively they are all freelancing is pretty funny, but I don’t think that has a bearing on whether or not Sepp should be in red. What’s the alternative? Sepp and the other TJV domestiques sky train it up the climbs and either Primoz or Jonas win the Vuelta by 15 minutes because other teams just can’t be competitive? That’s way more boring to watch than seeing Sepp fighting to stay in Red.

[@julienhuxley4172]

Classic Nero show shit-take for clicks see: opinions on doping

[@adamjd7645]

​@julienhuxley4172 Sounds to me you just don't like hearing honest opinions about cycling. A really good indicator of the state of the sport. 🤦‍♂️

[@alexanderishere1857]

Not at all. Jonas could take minutes on him easily on most mountain stages, and probably Roglic too. They didn't, because they gifted it to him. End of story.

[@kjbjb6243]

@@alexanderishere1857 They didn't because they are on the same team? The conversation around gifting wins seems to be a very one way street, where the same logic does not apply to jonas or primoz. The team should work for the person who is in the best position to win, which has been Sepp kuss for the past 3 weeks.

[@alexanderishere1857]

@@kjbjb6243 It doesn't apply because if they all go only for themselves then Jonas would win 9 out of 10 times and the last time Roglic would win. So if Kuss wins, it is clearly a gift. It is not a gift if Jonas wins because he is simply clearly the strongest of them.

[@bubbachua]

Jesse calling Sepp Kuss winning due to his climbing ability a fluke is kinda disrespectful. He’s had the best form and legs through tall three weeks, rode the best TT of his life to protect the jersey, and only on Angliru he suffered more than Roglic and Vingegaard. Hindsight is a good thing as when you look at todays stage, he was about to tempo off the climb with Vingegaard dropping and asking him to hold off the gas for him and roglic to come back to the front. So GC KUSS is free and real. Sorry Jesse gotta eat your words today!

[@danm3359]

I just got around to watching this because of the obvious click bait title. Jesus you complain about the fan boy rooting for him. So he got the red jersey by mistake? By accident? You wanted him to sit up on the day he got the jersey? Bottom line once you're team has the red jersey, you work for him. End of discussion regardless he is "just" a domestique. So what if Roglic took the red jersey instead of Kuss? Vingegaard should attack him?

[@holmbjerg]

Vingegaard wasn't dropping. Kuss went unnecessarily in an uncalculated move and Vingegaard told him it was unnecessary because he had it under control. In no way was he dropping. Vingegaard is the unrivalled strongest climber in the world.

[@BreakawayB]

😂Chris saying “Don’t do light bike versus heavy bike every three weeks” on the day a “Light v Aero Bike” debuts on GCN, soooo good.

[@keepingtherubberdown5715]

Jesse is off his rocker with Kuss. Like a statement below.. TJV put him in the break and he got the jersey. Once your team has the jersey you protect it. You don't attack your teammates. That is totally unloyal. They should have never let him earn / get in the first place. TJV F'd up on their own. Team has the jersey and now the lock on 1, 2, 3. Win, Win, Win and all the tours.

[@livehealthy9858]

this is on point. ITS A TEAM SPORT. i dont know whats with jesse coyle though he has a point the kuss is being paid as a domestique but you know everything can change. remember TJV paid by sponsorships, and this sponsorship is paid by fans. so if fans want kuss to win sponsors should here them out. but in ethical manner or as a professional cyclist or team player KUSS Really deserve it. sorry Jesse some dont agree with you with this.

[@Ca11mero]

He literally told them to go though?

[@keepingtherubberdown5715]

Did you hear him say that? Could have been "OH" @@Ca11mero

[@gmen1305]

Jesse - seriously, you think he was gifted this GC win? or doesn't deserve it because he's a "domestic" ? Since stage 6 he has put time into every other rider in the peloton except PR & JV, why, because the unwritten rule is to not chase your teammate - just as PR or JV did not chase Sepp in stage 6 - yes, he is "only" a domestic rider but as you said, one of the strongest climbers in the peloton which is where most GC winners shine, TJV has not spent time with Sepp in the wind tunnel for TT events, yet he finishes 11 seconds behind JV - how many races did Sepp throw away when he was the strongest pacing PR or JV in the Giro & Tour - get off your soapbox, maybe Sepp isn't a GC rider but he deserved to win this Velta because he was one of the strongest in just about every stage even with most of the time he did so without the support of JV or PR as they both sat on his wheel during the climb - next time, think before you speak

[@sanfordj59]

“You don’t attack your own teammates!”

[@ChrisWagner-bh3vn]

maybe reel it in a bit Jesse. Sepp obviously earned his position and implying that he doesn't work hard at his craft is disrespectful and ignorant.

[@KeithNorris17]

I haven’t even heard that part of the episode. Just reading the comments and I thing Jessie is a dbag for disrespecting Sepp

[@minidini10]

Jesse's view of Kuss in red is completely narrow minded and takes none of the dynamics of a 3 week stage race into account. Kuss has earned red doing his domestique role and defended it well enough to put Roglic and Vingegaard in podium positions. It's no "fluke" that his climbing ability has gotten him into red. It's the Vuelta, it's climbing heavy. And for either Roglic or Vingegaard to attack a teammate simply because they want the jersey is selfish and horribly disrespectful to all the 6 years of work Kuss has some for both of them. Y'all get a partial pass because this was recorded before Angliru, but this is a really bad take from Jesse.

[@MichaelBoogerd]

Amen!

[@Slow.Smooth]

Jesse has the worst fucking takes

[@oscardulzaides7834]

Kuss is juiced to the nines. Unicorns are not real either.

[@dasf89]

50:33 Kuss being a humble, friendly, almost shy guy results in him being called an oddball. That's a new one :D

[@ChrisMillerCycling]

In the world of professional cycling, actually professional sport in general ... it does. Those sort of qualities; humility, humbleness, compassion ... are very VERY rare.

[@mtnbf]

@@ChrisMillerCycling It's no coincidence Steph sounds like Sepp ;)

[@charleswilliams5786]

@@mtnbf who is Steph?

[@sw6493]

Except Jumbo had Kuss ride a real TT this time and he rode a good TT, so he's not riding domestique this race. He's riding GC and deserves to be.

[@alberts4541]

By that logic every Rider who's riding for GC deserves to win GC??? Give gold medals to all of them??? Kuss gets paid to do his job and if he doesn't like his job he can go to another Team where he's employed as a GC rider.

[@Heliosmaster]

​@@alberts4541and when a teammate is leader you don't attack him, that's the etiquette. Cycling has unwritten rules

[@ashurany]

That was a tip off of the team supporting Sepp going for the GC.

[@gabrielmazza7923]

such a wrong take, he's a domestique, end of, no one owes him anything, and frankly it makes the race a bit of a farce

[@sw6493]

@@alberts4541he’s employed as a rider, not as a “domestique” or “gc” rider. For the Vuelta, Jumbo has directed him to ride for gc because he’s proven he can. The team wouldn’t have had him ride a serious TT- unlike at the Tour and Giro where he needed to save fitness for domestique duty- and he did. You don’t attack your own team’s leader’s jersey in this situation.

[@cookiepuss8182]

It wasn’t by design but he has earned it. He’s trained way more than anyone in that team. This is his third straight Grand tour and he has had to take on different roles. He rode his best TT ever when under pressure and because he’s in this position at this point they should not attack him. He’s been fighting for sure.

[@cjohnson3836]

Way I see it, is GC not about maintain the time at the end? Not winning individual stages. Did he not then defend his time on Tourmelet? Did he not defend his time on Angliru? They weren't going to drop him on Linares and stage 20 is for the breakaway. It was readily known that whoever has the jersey atop Linares is the likely winner, baring some unexpected catastrophe. So, did he not then defend HIS jersey? Seems to me he did.

[@mikewikstrom3416]

Should Sepp have waited and dragged Roglic to the finish after he was dropped in the Giro? Or just go for the win since he was stronger that day?

[@alberts4541]

As a domestique that's not his decision to make that is a decision the team's racing director has to make. They have radio communication during races.

[@cjohnson3836]

@@alberts4541 And if the DS decides to have them ride for Kuss, that is also their decision to make. Cool, so we can stop bitching either way on this.

[@alberts4541]

@@cjohnson3836 At this point the Team might not care as long as The Team ends up winning. The riders themselves seem to be unsure about the strategy as well. The issue might be bad leadership and having three strong riders who want to win in the same team. Best thing Kuss can do for his career is win it himself without relying on favors. If he gets his win gifted he will be the guy who only won once because he got it handed to him.

[@cjohnson3836]

@@alberts4541 Name a single GT winner who has done it without domestiques. I'll wait..... ...The simple fact of the matter is Kuss has raced every GT stage this year. Somehow, despite having an entire tour worth of miles on his legs over his teammates, he's still there in the lead. No one carried him. He raced his own ITT. He got himself up the Angliru in time to protect his jersey and podiumed the stage. He put 4 min on the closest non-teammate and he did that with effectively 2 fewer domestiques. He had to sit back and mark Almeida, Ayusa, and friends while Jonas and Rog were green lighted to attack up the road. Sacrificing time to them. This shit about having it handed to him is nauseating. The dude earned it and any other team would have already decided to defend him when he got through the TT with that time gap. Jonas was sick at the time, and Rog can't keep his bike upright.

[@gabrielmazza7923]

HES A DOMESTIQUE

[@CFCMahomet]

Prior to the race starting Roglic introduced the idea of Kuss for the GC in a pre Vuelta interview. I believe that Jumbo was using him to draw out competitors and never expected that he would make the break, gain time, do a great time trial and still have the jersey on stage 18. Jumbo created the GC Kuss problem. BUT you can’t say he is just a domestique and have Jonas after the stages say they want Kuss to win, but then attack him on the stage and take time.

[@Kazyole]

They worked hard to get him into and consolidate that break. The team very intentionally set him up as a GC threat. Which is why it's insane to me to say he's not a leader or undeserving. The team went out of their way to make him a leader and put him in that role. They referred to him as a co-leader. He was never really just a domestique in this race and outside of one leadout in week 1, never rode like one. Granted, they did it to take advantage of Soudal. I believe the thinking was that putting Kuss ahead would force Remco to have to rely on more than just his ITT by putting him at a large deficit to a talented climber. Him needing to drop Kuss in the mountains would be a tactical card for Primoz and Jonas to take advantage of. But then Remco fell out of GC before it even really started, and Jumbo found themselves in a situation where they had made essentially the race winning move without even realizing it. From then on it was just positioning the other guys well and waiting to see if Sepp could hold on. Which he did. The only time he was ever dropped in this race was in the final km of the Angliru to his teammates, where he lost only a handful of seconds. The rest of his time losses to his team were in situations where Jonas was up the road so the team was playing the team tactic of having Kuss and Roglic sit on G2 (both on Tourmalet and the stage to Bejes). So as much as people argue that Jonas shouldn't have had to ride below his potential to protect Sepp today, that's exactly what Sepp had to do on both of Jonas's stage wins. If the team calls a guy a leader, he's a leader. If he takes the jersey and holds it until his next closest actual rival is 4:00 down, he deserves to win.

[@RB-xv4si]

@@Kazyolewell-said. No one has explained it better than this. This video feels like a giant troll video to get views. You should be the one making this video - a voice of logic and reason.

[@phillscorals1264]

@@Kazyole : By your argument in your last sentence, you have only justified why Vingo deserves to win too. After stage 16, by your logic, Vingo and Kuss deserve to win not just Kuss. So you think Vingo and Roglic planned to be domestiques to Kuss at this Vuelta? Those guys are dawgs and they went in to win and not repay any imaginary Kuss debt. In my opinion, I view Roglic's pre-Vuelta interview as a ploy to confuse the other teams about their arrangement and make everyone see it as a three-pronged attack from TJV. I still think the goal was to see Vingo and Roglic duke it out alongside Remco and co, with Kuss' usual support. Kuss' situation has masked the bigger but 'silent' civil war about to brew between Vingo and Roglic. Vingo wants more Grand Tours, same as Roglic. I won't be surprised seeing Roglic going for next year's TdF and I will love to see shit hit the fan real quick. Dynasties with two legit GC guys like TJV don't last long cos there can only one king. Two kings from the same kingdom can't be going for one crown every time. TJV will need to do something really fast.

[@Kazyole]

@@phillscorals1264 The difference obviously is that Vingegaard hasn't been leading this race. He doesn't hold the jersey. But yeah he also deserves to win. Unfortunately only one guy can, and I think when you've run team tactics the whole race with all three leaders riding to below their potential because of said team tactics, the only fair way to decide who does win is for it to be the guy who has carried the jersey the whole time, until his nearest competitor is 4:00 down. That's Kuss, not Jonas. Jumbo worked hard to get Sepp in that break and consolidate a gap to pressure Soudal. I think they wanted to force Remco to have to work in the mountains and not just hang on and rely on his ITT. But as soon as you put a guy in the leader's jersey and talk about him as a leader of the team, he's a leader of the team. If they wanted a free-for-all to be able to say the strongest rider from TJV would be the one who would win, they would have needed to abandon team tactics when Remco dropped out of GC. Jonas would have been allowed to attack, but Sepp would have needed to be allowed to defend. Because he wasn't, and was expected to sit on the favorites group on both occasions, I don't think you can say that Jonas should attack Sepp now. Because the whole reason why the gap is so close is because Sepp was never racing against Jonas. If people want to say that Jonas gifted the race to Sepp, we also have to consider all the time that Sepp essentially gifted (even though I hate that word) to Jonas on Bejes and on Tourmalet. We will never know what would have been if they had been racing full-on against each other the entire time, because that's just not how it played out on the road.

[@phillscorals1264]

@@Kazyole I see your points and they all make sense and you ask valid questions which can only be answered if these guys raced each other. Although I respectfully disagree with your take on letting Kuss win because he has been in the red but I see why you are making this point since the three guys are within the same team. I don't think that logic will be valid if they were on opposing teams. The main reason I disagree with your logic (although very valid) is due to the roles of Kuss (not as a GC) and Vingo/Roglic (GC). This is reflected in TJV's approach and body language which only changed after the Angliru stage. TJV looked like they allowed and wanted Vingo/Roglic to attack Kuss and the rest of the peloton (people say Kuss just for the pity party) and do what GC riders do. And the interesting thing is that Kuss couldn't go with them at that point. That is what distinguishes GC guys from very good domestiques like Kuss. It is all about the third week in Grand Tours most times. If TJV laid down the law very early in the Vuelta and said Kuss was part of the GC plan, it would have been different. TJV had two leaders. The situation only changed cos Kuss stayed longer than usual in the Jersey. Doesn't mean the GC kings won't turn on the heat in the third week. We could see Roglic's reaction and statement after stage 18. It was clear the plan changed after the Angliru with the backlashing from the public. Vingo/Roglic trained for this tour as GC guys with all the attendant extra but comprehensive training plus the public pressure and are paid to win Grand Tours at any stage of the Tour even in the closing ones (Kuss doesn't and didn't face that). Kuss as a domestique is handsomely paid (more than almost any other domestique) to support the GC guys and no fanboyism should change that irrespective of the situation. Kuss only deserves it if he could respond to Vingo 's stage 16 attack, respond to Roglic's Angliru attack but he couldn't. That is why he is a domestique and that is why guys like Vingo and Roglic win Grand Tours cos it is at these moments they make their opponents haemorrhage time. LeMond laid down the law with Hinault in 1986 and showed he should have won in 1985. GC guys aren't expected to hold up for anybody. You want the crown, take it as it won't be given to you. That is my logic. I respect yours and see why you stick with your logic but my logic is based on the tradition with cycling and the unfortunate way public opinion and social media has creeped into elite cycling team decisions. It is what it is though.

[@mitchlabrador]

You don’t attack the leader of the race when it is your teammate. It is that simple!!

[@holmbjerg]

It is not that simple. Carlos Sastre attacked on Alpe d'Huez when Frank Schleck was in yellow. Had he not, the team would have lost the tour, because Schleck was such a bad time trialist. So there can be very good tactical reasons for why there are exceptions to the rule.

[@michaelwalker4242]

Ollie from GCN would be keen to be that one guy who takes all the bikes into the wind tunnel. He loves aero, even if you can't see it 😂

[@KeithNorris17]

I can’t get over how ignorant Jessie was today about Sepp. Very bad take and not socially aware.

[@craigpavia8943]

So when GCN goes away, Durianrider stands alone 😂

[@EddyCat1234]

Jesse’s description of the Girona bubble was priceless 😂

[@cyclotaur6315]

I like that Jesse doesn't particularly care what anyone else thinks of his opinion, and that Chris kinda does. Makes for an entertaining combo. Also Chris calling those in the Girona bubble 'earnest' was pretty spot on. I still follow a few of them though. 🤪

[@glendahunt8013]

Totally disagree. He has the jersey -- he is owed a domestique.

[@Hill_Walker]

Indoor training may be dying out in sunny Australia. Here in wet rainy UK I can't see it going anywhere.

[@leslietorburn5149]

Hard to beat a dedicated stationary bike for structured workouts, and no stress on your expensive frame, or sweat either. If I am not sharp enough to go out and deal with traffic on the road I end up on my Stages SC3.

[@cmathews1]

@@leslietorburn5149 I agree with you. Pretty hard to find roads in most places (even warm climates) where you can do an uninterrupted 15-20min effort, let alone repeats with conditions ensured to be consistent. I mean, endless loops of Centennial Park with walkers/dogs/runners and everything else sounds like boring AF fun, but surely even Chris & Jesse appreciate this fact being in Sydney. Then there is your other point, so much faff avoided by being able to go into the garage at any time of day and no stress on your bike.

[@footballjamiemack]

Jesse’s comments on pro cycling always make him sound so bitter.

[@morellish]

Contradicting yourself so fast. Vingegaard didn't go to a different team to become a GC. It just happened because he was stronger than his leaders, just like Kuss.

[@charliedillon1400]

Sepp isn't stronger than his leaders, and that is why he was able to get in the break and take red. Maybe accidental, but still brilliant.

[@savagepro9060]

@@charliedillon1400 a super DOMESTIQUE, yes, a leader? NO

[@cjohnson3836]

@@charliedillon1400 The guy raced ever single GT stage this year. And he crashes far less than Roglic. We have no idea how strong he would be if he was riding GC at the onset and targeting specific tours for the win, and trained appropriately for it. But, he has hung with his teammates while having an entire extra GT on his legs.

[@mitchlabrador]

@@cjohnson3836100%

[@Ca11mero]

How is that a contradiction? There are more information to that event than you are making it out to be. The reason why, is because Vingegaard was their only hope for GC, in the most important tour of the year by far. That's not the same to the situation with Kuss at all, it was for quite a few stages, but not now. If both Primoz and Vingegard sat on 10th place with minutes behind, it would.

[@swites]

Sepp Kuss deserves the red jersey because its on his shoulders. No one gifted that to him. He got in a big break and got 2mins30 or whatever on all the other GC contenders including his own teammates. Roglic, JV missed the break so tough cookies. I don't care about anything else. U respect the leaders jersey. U defend that jersey until your team mate cracks. And if he's just a domestique he surely will right? Sure you can attack and 1,2 the other GC contender as an individual, and get up the road forcing them to chase. And if they can't you get some bonus time to secure your spot ahead of them. But that doesn't mean you attack your own team mate, and when you're the last 3 guys on the road, two of you drop him and leave him on his own. It just looks really bad and Selfish. It's all about ethics, morals, and integrity imo. thats worth way more than stabbing a teammate in the back and taking a leaders jersey for yourself just because you can. U show an aspect of sport that is bigger than yourself. Benefit is a super tight team with a domestique who will be even more motivated to see you win in all the other Gts you enter in the future. We see "cut throat" every day of the week. Nothing wrong with a bit of humanity from time to time. Go Sepp!

[@Kazyole]

Bad take on the Kuss situation imo Jesse. The team made him a GC leader by putting him in the race leadership, and he held the jersey until the closest rider who isn’t his teammate is 4:00 down on GC. He held the jersey until the GC race was done. There is no one left to defend from other than his own teammates. Ayuso and Mas may as well be dead as far as the GC goes, and I think it’s laughable to suggest that to win a GT you need to beat every rider in the peloton, and then also beat your own team. That’s never how it works and would not be expected of any other rider in the race leadership by this margin at this point in the race. They made the decision to ride a team race with a trident of leaders, and at the end of the day Kuss came out on top despite having to play team tactics and sit on wheels, losing time to Jonas every time he went up the road (Tourmalet and Bejes). He only really lost time because he was actually dropped one time, and by then (yesterday’s stage to Angliru) the GC and podium sweep were sewn up and he still retained the jersey. If the team had said after Remco went out of the race that Ok, now it’s a free for all and Jonas is free to attack and Sepp is free to defend if he can, I’d agree with you. Let them duke it out. But they used Kuss’s GC position to race team tactics with Jonas up the road. So how can anyone say that it’s unfair for Jonas to have to hold back today when Kuss had to hold back every time Jonas took meaningful time on him? During a time when the team was publicly calling him a co-leader. It’s a team sport. You can’t say it’s a team sport and team tactics are valid when it’s allowing Jonas to take time on Kuss that Kuss isn't allowed to respond to because he'll drag Mas and Ayuso with him, but suddenly it’s a free-for-all once that time has enabled Jonas to get close on GC. If Kuss is actually trying and not sitting in G2 there’s no way Jonas takes 1:05 in 4km on Bejes. He’s a GC leader in the team in this race because the team made him into one. They talked about him as one. They put that role on him and he performed like a leader in that role. They constantly reiterated the point that it didn’t matter which TJV rider won as long as it was one of them. He’s not won because he’s owed. He’s won because he’s earned it.

[@DustyMoth.]

Who cares if he is ‘just’ a domestique. Kuss is in the red jersey and you don’t attack your own teammate when he’s in the red jersey. Honestly it’s a bloody team sport, Vingegaard might be the best rider out there but he wouldn’t win any GC without teammates doing work to shut down attacks, leading him out and supporting him. Kuss deserves that same dedication from his team now that he is in the red jersey

[@KeithNorris17]

You guys are fools with this title.

[@CFCMahomet]

What do the rivals think? On the Anglilu Landa paced him back to keep the jersey. Geraint Thomas said that the majority of the peloton want Kuss to win (and would help him win). Matteo Jorgenson tweeted “Gooooo Sepp!”

[@KeithNorris17]

Attacking a teammate in Sepp’s position who has pulled your ass to 5 grand tour wins is like a footballer pushing a teammate off the ball to take an empty net shot for a goal in a game where you are up 5-0. It’s silly and bad for team vibes.

[@RB-xv4si]

It’s so weird how rigidly people hold on to the team roles of GC rider and domestique. They’re merely social constructs. They’re fluid and can change to suit the present situation. I don’t blame JV or PR for going for stage wins while Kuss was trying to hold on to the red jersey. It’s just how they did it - attacking from so far from the finish, clearly in a bid to not only win, but take significant time on their teammate who already had the jersey. They could have easily taken stages while not putting Sepp in a bad spot. I do not agree at all with the take on this video.

[@cjohnson3836]

I mean, I think its a bit telling about European culture when they still cling to such a degrading designation as domestique, to begin with.

[@jwfriar]

Exactly - It’s not like being a Domestique was written in his contact with written expectations that he’ll never win. If it was, fair play, but I don’t know who would sign up for that.

[@danielsemyonov]

Nero podcast clings for attention with a controversial title, and jessie comes in hot with horrible takes. In other news water is wet

[@niallwoan5847]

Whilst he may train for domestique duties, a bit of humanity is necessary too. If you’re riding in a team and doing all your training and racing to service others, when you put yourself into a GC contention, you should be happily allowed to go for it. This cutthroat “strongest should win” is such a toxic statement here. Sure, his teammates have the next 2 spots, and would torch him if Landa dropped him, but that didn’t happen. Be a good human, reward good riders. Money or no money.

[@xAudiolith]

I don't really get Jesses point about the preparation aspect. Sure we can all agree that Kuss didn't start his season with any GC ambitions in any of the GTs in mind but how can you argue that his preparation is somehow inadequate compared to Roglic or JV? Sepp has participated in 11 GTs compared to JVs 5 (Thank you PCS). He's extremely experienced in GTs and it's his 3rd in the year. If he is on such good form to get the leaders jersey and hold it then there is no tactical reason for any of his team mates to attack. He's got the palmares and form to back up his position as the leader. Now, if your team is completely disfunctional and doesn't protect the race leader, that's no basis to question his position as leader. If they did the same to JV or Roglic, I don't see them winning GC either. I'll concede that Kuss is probably way too timid with his ambitions which is commendable in his role but probably is a big factor for the awkwardness in this situation. People love and underdog but that doesn't take away from the fact that you don't attack your leader and conflating these is cherry picking.

[@patrickj4747]

Jesse missed one point on the Sepp Kuss story. Jonas only beat Kuss by 11 seconds in the ITT. That's on him.

[@willbaren]

Oh and by the way, Pogačar must be loving it that Vingegaard and Roglič are being beaten by one of their domestiques.

[@ekm3820]

A domestique in Red shows how far every team is behind TJV.

[@savagepro9060]

he is TRULY in 'red' his own leaders are gunning him down, and rightfully so

[@charliedillon1400]

Since you guys are clearly obsessed with clicks and views and all that is involved with being "content creators", I'm quite sure this take on Sepp is a troll for comments. It will work.

[@jesserandall1819]

Jesse is so off on Sepp Kuss it isn't even funny. He says that it wouldn't be right if he just "stumbled into it because he's a good climber." Did he forget the time trail stage 10? That was when many people thought Kuss would lose the red jersey, but he only lost 11 seconds to Jonas in that stage and 53 seconds to Primoz. Sepp held his own on all of the stages, and generally teams don't attack their own teammates if they are leading GC. If the teammate cracks on a stage or has a bad time trial then of course his teammates are free to fly and push on, but in this scenario Sepp has never had a day when he cracked, just days when his own teammates attacked to win stages and took back some seconds. Sepp absolutely has earned it through his riding and Jesse needs to get off his antagonistic hate.

[@oldskoolbreakz]

The German magazine "Tour Magazin" have been putting all of the top end road bikes in the wind tunnel for independent testing for 10+ years - its the closest thing we have to "bike benchmarks".

[@oldskoolbreakz]

Jessie mentioned this but I don't think Chris is aware of the Tour Magazin testing. I agree with Chris's comment that GCN should be doing this, they clearly have the budget for it

[@ashcameron7677]

Brilliant thumbnail of Jesse looking tense .He is becoming the "shock jock" of cycling podcasts 😂

[@kriszentek41]

You. Don’t. Attack. Your. Teammate.

[@robertchandler587]

Jesse - “Indoor cycling is dying a very zwift death“ 😂😂 24:34

[@brucegelman5582]

Explain to all your viewers please since when did the leader in a tour in the 100+ years of cycling not be supported by his team mates? You sound like the employer who looks at a super talented mail room employee and thinks I dont care how talented he may be he's just a mail room boy.Ever heard of promotion based on merit?

[@dabs1501]

This is a very UK centric take but I'd be very surprised if the GCN sale included race rights. Historically here all the cycling has been on Eurosport, who Discovery bought out in 2015, I've no idea what GCN was like pre being bought by WBDiscovery but since then all their race coverage has been identical to Eurosport's. Since 2021 all Eurosport streaming was rolled into Discovery+, since then all race coverage has been on there as well as GCN+, including the breakaway pre/post shows, the only thing exclusive to GCN+ is the documentaries. In the last few months Discovery have also taken over the 2nd biggest sports network, BT Sport, and rebranded it to TNT Sports and added it to Discovery+, meaning as well as cycling Discovery+ now has Premier League and Champions League football, English and European Rugby and various other major sports. I think the future would look like them getting rid of GCN+ to force cycling fans to subscribe to Discovery+ to watch races, they have actually already done this with another streaming service they ran for golf

[@MichaelBoogerd]

true and i agree about the GCN+ app going away... all the same live streaming race content is available on the Eurosport App*, so that's a bit different than needing to subscribe to Discovery+ although the same concept, WB/Discovery still see the revenue from those subcribers... *not sure if that is also available in UK, or if Discovery+ is the only way to subscribe to Eurosport's live content...

[@dabs1501]

@@MichaelBoogerd just double checked the Eurosport app and in the UK it prompts you to get discovery+ when you try and watch live. I know you used to be able to use it here but they made people switch to discovery+ just before the Tokyo Olympics

[@hucklejoko4838]

I generally agree with most points on this show, but Jesse with his Sepp take is just a clear L take. If its for the sake of getting clicks congrats, but cycling is a Team Sport. If Vinge and Rog needs Kuss to win, then Kuss CAN also need Vinge and Rog to win GC.

[@latte6878]

26:00 I mean are you only taking on behalf of the Australians on this topic? 😅 Try not having an indoor trainer in the northern Europe or even central-Europe where winters are not 20C+ like in Sydney. It's not like I prefer Zwifting over outdoors but I don't want to have a 7-month long offseason either..

[@speedsociety9177]

exactly, without Zwift I would loose a big chunk of my fitness over the winter. Do i like cycling outside more? Of course, I love it, but Zwift is bearable and for sure better than nothing.

[@hynekjanousek7887]

GC Kuss in Vuelta was a Trolley problem. Noone planned for it. The question was not if he was to be given the win but if that win is to be taken away from him so that another man from that same team wins. You have two choices. Either you do not do anything (in the sense that you do not attack the leader) and he wins - and V. an R. do not win (which was not your intention but you have to accept it), or you activelly sacrifice Kuss - so that V. or R. wins (here, making Kuss loose becomes you intention). There is a famous difference between doing something as a part of your plan and letting something pass with known future, but unintended consequences. Plus, even though there is the rule that domestiques are supposed to sacrifice their chances (they are paid to do it), there is the rule that you do not attack your leader - you can follow a stronger rider when your leader drops in a way that makes his/her GC unsulvageable but then the thing repeats itself - you did not plan to drop your leader, you only let it pass without intending it to follow a different goal which became permissible. Again, Kuss was not supposed to be a leader but it happened in such a weird way, that taking it away from him would not benefit the team it would only reshuffle the top positions within the same team (it really was a unique situation). Finally, if you throw someone under the wagon (the Trolley problem) you cannot have "we win together" on your bus :-), which noone forced them to do - if your PR team writes that on your bus you have to stick with it when the shit hits the fan or face the anger/laughter of the public.

[@grobson4]

Nice to see the Tour de Titema (Unibet) jersey on the wall behind Chris. As an Aussie living in The Netherlands, I like that you’re recognising Titema and his crew. I hope he reciprocates toward you.

[@rossman450]

👋 50 min club member here, Audio is good, no complaints; watch or listen depending on what I’m doing, nice background, love the Globe, Old School Apple Computer and randomly strewn about kits on the table; Girona Bubble 🤔 never heard of it but now I know.

[@gregmorrison7320]

Flip flop on the aero frame thing even from last weeks show, I'm glad to see you finally seeing through the marketing BS but wouldn't be surprised to see you flip flop back the other way next week 😂And yeah, 35mm wheels for me every time, the biggest gains are in the jump from a box section rim to a 35mm rim, beauty is in the eye of the beholder and you can't see aero.

[@87knightsfan]

I'm a podcast watcher, rather than listener. Have been watching you guys from the beginning!

[@ShawnMcAfee]

Audio is the most important but I really appreciate having the video. I don’t pay strict attention to the video, but if it’s an interesting topic or if you reference a product I look to see if there is a picture on the screen of it. Great pod boys. Love it.

[@hazfilms5363]

KWT are importing L-TWOO and just brought a complete RX group set, seems solid so far!

[@rhyswilliams695]

I agree with Jesse 100%. The record will read “2023 Vuelta Espana GC winner Sept Kuss* “

[@doggdemuro]

Jesse - Kuss earned the red jersey. His only competition are his teammates, so the classy thing to do is for Jonas and Rog to help Kuss win the Vuelta. It would be terrible PR for Jumbo if they took it away from him. You don't attack your own teammates.

[@26eightysix]

Cycling is a team sport and you dont screw up your teammate especially when your team has safely secured 1st, 2nd and 3rd places

[@ghoti_phnq]

Regarding Kuss, there are a few subtleties that make it interesting. He's done all three grand tours this year for one so it's unlikely he's at his 100% best; in the Giro it was for Roglic and in the tour it was for Vingegaard. Even if Vingegaard and Roglic ease up a bit, I don't think it's necessarily the case that Kuss is undeserving -- he's starting from less, and they've done nothing special for him in this Vuelta. But more importantly, and this is one of the things I love about cycling, the gesture matters and is best for all involved when the long game is considered. If Vingegaard attacks Kuss and wins, he looks like an a-hole and probably loses Kuss' loyalty going forward. If Kuss wins, the quid pro quo is fulfilled, it's a cinderella story, the team looks great, Kuss remains loyal. So many layers in cycling!

[@cjohnson3836]

I think its really Rog that is pressing the attack, not Ving. After the outcome of Angliru (Kuss defending his jersey, and Ving effectively nullifying Rog's chances at the GC win) and today in Linares, I think Ving, while on paper the threat to Kuss's lead, is really not the sore spot in the team. Rog is the one pushing the divide because he's the one threatened by Ving taking over the prime spot on the team. I think he sees it an insult that they brought Ving to Vuelta, to begin with. And now, having the idea to race for Kuss, on top of that?

[@migjav8391]

Kuss has rode every grand tour this year. Yes he is a dom that is in great form and leading the race and jumbo are going to sweep the podium. If he drops he drops but attacking him when the other have already won the tour and giro crazy.

[@joekawasaki]

Seems to me Kuss, as a domestique, has done more for the gc than the gc riders! Time spent being a beast up climbs & towing others without expecting the victory himself. Sounds like he's the better rider!

[@paulstewart5]

“Indoor training is dying” 😂 says the guy that stays in a place with round the clock sunshine… and applies that logic ubiquitously to the global cycling community. Try living in Scotland in winter - 2 deg tops, pissing rain all day and dark by 3:30pm!

[@DC-lu5qs]

This video and the comments are, by a large margin, the best, most interesting, and most respectful debate of the GCKuss situation I've seen anywhere on the internet. Hats off to all of you guys. FWIW I'm firmly in the pro-GCKuss camp, but I find the arguments of Jesse and others in the comments valid and compelling. It's really fascinating what we've gotten to see, and it's a situation that I don't think could come up in any other spectator sport.

[@mikespadafora9077]

I’ve been done with aero years ago. So much marketing speak and hype. David Arthur gushes all over it and cannot get though a video without mentioning it-it’s an affliction. Some reviewers just spew all the marketing material. Pros have to ride what they’re given and are sponsored reviewer. Ride what you got!!!!

[@paulwebster4499]

I was on the Kuss bangwagon. However, after giving it some thought, I feel sorry for Roglic. After the giro/tour he would have been told that he was the top dog for the Vuelta. Jonas was then entered into the Vuelta, all season Roglic had found himself battling against Remco. Now he also had the Jonas card, If I was a beating man, I think that Roglic was assured that he was the team leader. Then he also had the Kuss card........

[@charliezettel]

Audio is most important but production quality elevates your pod! Thanks for all you guys do. Best cycling podcast going

[@curtvaughan2836]

Is pro cycling a team sport or an individual sport? Kuss is in the red, and until today, his top team members did not support him. Let's just make the grand tours into 21 day criteriums, and may the best man win. Sepp sacrificed himself for both Roglic and Vingegaard. The dice rolled for Sepp to get into the red, and his team, until today, decided not to support him in that role. Both Chris Horner and Johann Bruyneel agree that Sepp needs the support of his supposed team to complete a win as the GC in the Vuelta. I guess you guys know better - it appears there's a generation gap in how pro cycling protocol should work. I'll bet Pogacar would have supported Sepp in stages 16 and 17. I was a Roglic/Vingegaard fan until the last two days. Now, I just hope Sepp takes the Vuelta and transfers to Pogacar's team, along with Wout van Aert. Just my humble opinion. And Jesse, you're totally off course.

[@markbarnard7219]

I am a watcher. Every week. It’s my little chill zone, enjoying the content, so thanks lads 👍🏻

[@biketheperson6919]

Same aye

[@designbydave]

As an American, it's just super great to see a fellow American in a position to win a grand tour. We haven't had that since... Greg LeMond.

[@Sparkyz480]

Sorry for your time in the coma😢

[@charliedillon1400]

You have a politics lawn sign, don't you?

[@savagepro9060]

How interesting American Chris Horner actually won this very race, La Vuelta. It just shows how Americans were sheep following Lance! In fact, according to UCI records, that makes the last American to win a Tour was Chris Horner.

[@savagepro9060]

@@nosyveflor yes, Lance and Floyd Landis, were cut off from history, and Gred Lemond was way before that, so Chris is the latest, winning La Vuelta in 2013

[@dboyd3459]

So Jesse is absolutely right about Sepp if taken as a clinical definition of how cycling works. That being said, after stage 6 not only did he become the teams GC leader, which most would agree earns some “protection” but it presented the perfect opportunity for 2 superstars of the sport that have nothing to prove and will likely go on to win several more grand tours to give the most selfless guy in the sport a once in a career chance to win one, and that seems to be pushing the emotional buttons and not just in the US, and I have seen enough clinical bike racing in the last decade to be honest!

[@DickSpencer1954]

I really like the content, the relaxed approach, the STARK honesty. Setup, production, etc does not bother me in many ways. I love the opinions. Press on with pride I cried!!! Piss off the Gironas all you can just out of spite!!

[@98408143]

It's seems very simple to me, 'PROTECT THE JERSEY'. Doesn't matter who's wearing it, 'PROTECT THE JERSEY'.

[@silverburn55]

Re: indoor trainers - maybe if “outdoor” bikes hadn’t gone up 40% in price, the choice of buying an indoor would be easier.

[@JPDCC]

Half the issue is podcasts like this saying, that price is reasonable, this price is reasonable….so followers think prices are reasonable and make purchases. Cause and the affect is prices are being driven up. The price of bikes is ridiculous. You can buy a new jet ski for 15k, a dirt bike for 8-10k and some small cars under 20k.

[@granteikelboom8753]

Agree that Supp Kuss isn't owed a win, but is cycling a team sport or isn't it? Hearing people say that Vingegaard is the strongest individual in the Vuelta so he should win it, are effectively saying that cycling is an individual sport. Watching Roglic and Vingegaard ride away from GC leader Kuss on Angrilu when he was under absolutely no pressure from any of their other rivals was awkward to watch for someone who has spent years trying to explain to casual cycling viewers how cycling is in fact a team sport, regardless of who is standing on the top of the podium.

[@JamesSocialCycling]

Love the show guys, brutal Jesse and fence sitter Chris. I watch the show, because your reactions and body language add to the chat. Some great topics, best on YT👌

[@massimoguglielmisa]

I am riding the new Giant Propel Advanced Pro. Heavier than the SL though. I used to ride the TCR Advanced SL which was much more stiffer and let me tell you super stiff, but this propel is really fast. I would really like to own a Cervelo S5 but here in South Africa the frame costs three times the amount than the propel. Propel is value for money. Also watched Jesse's one video where he referenced Harry Tanfield riding a bigger bike by being lower and more aero, I went one size up to a large due to back injury and can feel the speed with comfort. Im a licensed veteran rider, pretty much like a cat 2 or 3. Lower back is good, bike is fast.

[@threed821]

I want to see Kuss win because having 3 potential GC riders that strong on the same team is a bit scary... but I dont want it handed to him.

[@maximosteverlynck9719]

I think TJV fucked it up by letting Kuss take red, everyone wants him to win GC now, and Jumbo has to sleep in the bed they made on stage six (through nine perhaps) by letting him take and hold red. Keep the domestiques in a domestique role, and this marketing fiasco never happens. As an American though, #GCKuss🦅📈

[@slutslap]

TJV did not do anything wrong. The rule in every team is to protect who ever is in the leader's jersey. Kuss is very strong and can be a future contender. He got on the breakaway and won the stage. Now there were times Kuss had to slow down for Roglic back in 2020 VAE to protect him and pace him for the GC win. Remember, Kuss has done for this year all grand tours and he is finishing top 3 on the mountain stages!! He is very strong!! Roglic and Jonas have done only two. Well any ways, strong rule, all ways protect who ever is wearing the jersey.

[@mitchlabrador]

He didn’t let him do anything. He got the jersey on his own merit as JV had the sh*ts in the first week

[@Ca11mero]

In the interview before the Vauelta, Primoz also included Kuss as a sidenote for the potential winner (GC). So I think they already discussed it before hand, bu I don't think they had in mind that he would get the Red jersey so early and also keeping it. Since the time gaps to the other teams are so large and the whole #GCKuss spectacle creating pressure, they keep it rolling in that direction (for now). If the gaps were closer, they would have launched Jonas on the past few stages.

[@jeffreypeters1902]

It was great strategy- allow Kuss to take the lead, then the other teams have to work to bring the lead back, rather than Jumbo having to expend energy driving the field for the entire race.

[@thewisconsingravelcyclist]

Agreed! If they didint want turmoil within the ranks tell Kuss hes riding for the other two. Period, end of discussion. Otherwise yes, live with the decision you've made and move on. Hope Kuss can finish it off!

[@kevinbarkema1666]

Don't think you should attack your teammate when he has the GC. After Kuss held his own in the time trial that is when team management should have had a sit down with Roglic and Jonus and told them Kuss is now the priority. Jonus isn't going to build his legacy by doing anything except winning more TDF's, he can build his brand by supporting the guy that has helped him considerably. Seems like the 'team sport angle only works if it favors Roglic and Jonus and it's a different narrative when Kuss has the lead (then it's gifted/doesn't deserve it etc...) .

[@andrewsugden1215]

Good point

[@liam_c27]

Okay, pre Angliru recording, shit got wild 😂Sepp is in red off his own merit, stage win + decent TT performance. Support your team leader, end of. Roglic on Angliru in 2020 said Sepp was clearly good enough to win the stage, but thanked him for the pull otherwise he would have lost time. There are no gifts, but there should always be teamwork & sportsmanship. GC Kuss all the way 😂🎉

[@frankreyes4]

The advancement of Kuss is good for cycling’s development. The build-up of a developing teammate is a great club achievement

[@RestlessGambler14]

Perfect timing. Driving from NoCal to SoCal.

[@lordraymondynostroza6798]

Jesse is turning into “durianrider” with saying outlandish shit just to get reactions. You’re better than that Jesse!

[@jwfriar]

Durianrider is so annoying.

[@jwfriar]

@RimBrakeKing Well, Jesse is…I actually like him, but he just likes what he likes and hates what he hates and no amount of facts will change his mind. He just isn’t objective. Vs I think Chris is interesting and thoughtful

[@michaelglidewell1524]

If anyone, after watching what happened on stage 17, believes Sepp Kuss doesn't deserve to win then they don't understand professional cycling. Among the motivations for people, money can be quite high but self ambition is above that. But there's a higher motivation that can tame self ambition and allow a team to be a whole that is greater than the sum of its individuals. A teammate that has absolutely no chance to win will sell himself out for his team leader and be proud to do so. Implicit is that if the roles are reversed the leader would do the same. The unwritten rules include a) never attack your teammates and b) always respect the race leader's jersey. b) is so important that teams without a chance at winning will ride their hearts out to keep the jersey just one more day. Only a top GC rider is allowed to "give" the jersey away and only to avoid the pressure early in the race and only with the intent to take it back and keep it later. So when Sepp takes the leader jersey as a result of doing exactly what he was asked to do each and every time, his own team leaders quoted b) to him and told him to ride to keep it. That he did. The thought at the time that as Remco and other GC riders attempted to take the jersey from Sepp one of JV's leaders would take it back and keep it. By stage 13 it was obvious to many that only Sepp's own teammates had the legs to do that. Made perfectly clear on stage 17 when his own teammates violated rule a) almost bringing disaster to the team. He held the jersey that day and put time into all his rivals save his own teammates. He can't "give" it to them now and they can't "take" it from him. JV suffers from abundance of riches. So when they bring Primoz (Giro winner) and Jonas (Tour winner) to the Vuelta along with Sepp (top domsetique) and Sepp himself proves he's better than all the rest from the other teams, Primoz and Jonas had no option but to "gift" him the win precisely because he's "earned" it.

[@johnford8085]

Very well said. 👍

[@alexroseinnes]

The Girona bubble loose change comment was perfect. Chapeau.

[@gregmorrison7320]

Love to see many of the zwoofters ditch the indoors and begin riding outdoors again. Seen many of my friends jump on the indoor platforms and eventually do less and less outdoors and ultimately indoors, I mean we got into cycling because we enjoyed riding bikes, where is the joy in sweating it out indoors? Bikes have no walls.

[@calebking4443]

If you want to kill team dynamics and show all the other guys that ride for the GC riders that they will be attacked and not protected if they ever get the jersey, I think you will find it harder to get good riders to sign. Kuss rode a great TT and matched rival attacks in the mountains. The only riders that could beat are his teammates. This is a great domestique appreciation tour.

[@LeeLee-nc7xj]

Sepp is so strong. Love the podcast. Keep it up!

[@proctermorris6657]

I've been thinking about the Sepp Kuss thing. Very few domestiques in recent history of cycling are good enough to have put themselves in an overall race winning position. The unique circumstances are that both Vingegaard and Roglic have both won Grand Tours this year already. I think it's only reasonable in the race situation that they shepherd Kuss for the win overall. I think it's quite a unique situation that's unlikely to repeat itself anytime again soon. There was also the 2012 Tour de France where Froome was showing he was better than Wiggins, but the team held him back for BW to take the win. CF was the domestique, but BW was the team leader whom they built the race around, and they committed to BW.

[@Bohemian7Vagabond]

Jumbo doesn't own anything Sepp, but owns Nero Show explanation for that magical TDF time trial 😅

[@eriktroostheide4846]

The last 5 minutes are straight up fire, saving the best for last 🔥🔥

[@mitchlabrador]

I own both the S5 and the SL8. Have done over 5,000 miles on the S5 and over 500 on the SL8. SL8 is just as fast and stiff, but significantly more comfortable and lighter. The hype is real IMO. I also love my rim brake bike BTW before you call me a fat dentist 😂

[@mariusilerd9581]

🤤🤤 can you buy me one aswell?

[@onepunchbud1472]

How can that SL8 be light? It's probably way over 6,8kg? For 12.000€ or more? Holy smokes... my 5 year old Bianchi XR4 rim brake with aero wheels and a camps chorus is lighter than that for less than half the price. The SL8 is a great gravel bike with it's fat tires and disc brakes, I will give you that. I would be seriously afraid the frame cracks when I lean it against something or something small happens because it's so thin.

[@mitchlabrador]

@@onepunchbud1472 15.5lbs with Assioma pedals computer mount and bottle cages Pretty light. My 2015 Scott addict RC Rim Brake with dura ace is about the same weight.

[@onepunchbud1472]

@@mitchlabrador I guess your Scott has quite heavy wheels or other components like stem or handlebar? Your SL8 is a bit over 7kg overall. That's good but nothing special compared to better bikes a few years ago which could easily go under 6,8 with some better parts or be around 7kg as well. And of course the SL8 is more comfy with big tires and lower pressure.

[@JohnBQuinn-mk2vf]

I'm one of those Americans that ended up seeing and clicking on you video and watched it.

[@happydays8171]

Girona bubble is rubbish to me in the US. Aero and lightweight is my concern in buying a SL-8. It's my first new road bike in 6 yrs. Liked my Scott Foil, but Scott seems to have ignored the US market, and couldn't get a 61 cm Foil frame. Aero plays a big part because I ride by Lake Michigan. I have up to steady 20 mph headwind going to work, and a head or strong sidewind going home, I put 3,500 miles on my bike a year. Aerobikes make the ride more enjoyable.

[@whitt5676]

Well done this has been edited soo good!!!

[@Gabrielle4870]

Agreed. Sounds like they've fixed audio as well. Noise compression or whatever it was was way too aggressive.

[@U.s.e.r.3493]

Money makes the world go round

[@EBcycling]

Love it fellas!!!! Was in tears listening to the last part. Can number half a dozen guys/gals living in Europe/Girona....living that life, lol!!!! Please don't change a thing. So good to listen to proper/honest cycling commentary.

[@Will_Osborne]

Thanks for putting out a great show! Watching/listening from the U.S. I enjoy the long form content and being able to watch it. Best cycling content I’ve come across so far.

[@user-np5dh8cu9p]

Cycled for years, got my Kickr in Winter - love it and Rouvy! Perfect for Winter, bad weather, and supplementing outdoor riding whenever you want. Love to simulate routes I know I'll never see.

[@scotth3354]

Here's why Kuss had to win... for the tactic of sending a strong rider, but not the team leader, into a break to work out, opposing teams must legitimately view the rider as a threat. It does no good to get someone of Kuss' talent into a break, and into the leader's jersey, if your own team is just going to take it off him later in the race. The non-leader leader is meaningless without a real threat they may win.

[@ChinCycling]

Chris I totally agree with your take on the Aero bikes and bike marketing, you are 1000% correct and I wish we would see that kind of content

[@oscardulzaides7834]

Kiss is riding his third grand tour and at the leading edge of all three. Let’s not kid ourselves. The providers of the juice have decided what they want and the other juicers need to abide by the juice man’s rules. It’s all so hilarious.

[@outdoorbros_]

The way Chris said, "RRRRRRoubaix" was not lost on me. Did he pick up some Spanish in the greater Fresno area?

[@discbrakefan]

From all the older white folk?