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@soctejedor-qh3kd
@soctejedor-qh3kd 6 ай бұрын
5 years on and Bob is still changing minds and hearts. Thank you and God bless you Bob.
@smathias7840
@smathias7840 6 жыл бұрын
Never seen someone like Bob before, he is dissecting the new age ideologies and laying them open .
@jaysaviod9581
@jaysaviod9581 6 жыл бұрын
Jordan Peterson??
@smathias7840
@smathias7840 6 жыл бұрын
good point.
@TheJohnCooper
@TheJohnCooper 6 жыл бұрын
religion is an ideaology
@virgule888
@virgule888 6 жыл бұрын
In fact, an ideology is a parasite upon an underlying religious substructure. Nietzsche foresaw that catastrophe. He knew that, when we knocked the slats out of the base of Western civilization by destroying this representation-this God ideal-we would destabilize, and move back and forth violently between nihilism and the extremes of ideology. He was particularly concerned about radical left ideology, and believed-and predicted this in the late 1800s, which is really an absolute intellectual tour de force of staggering magnitude-that in the 20th century hundreds of millions of people would die because of the replacement of these underlying dream-like structures with this rational but deeply incorrect representation of the world. -Jordan B. Peterson. Biblical Series I: Introduction to the Idea of God (transcript: jordanbpeterson.com/transcripts/biblical-series-i/). (very minor editing by me)
@adayinthelife5772
@adayinthelife5772 6 жыл бұрын
Bob the builder of Christianity
@iamalfaomega3221
@iamalfaomega3221 6 жыл бұрын
Bob thanks for ur contribution, towards our society... I thank the Lord for for using u as his tool... God bless you 💐.
@iamalfaomega3221
@iamalfaomega3221 6 жыл бұрын
Ameer Khan You like joke..... kzbin.info/www/bejne/eqakZ32opdt8aNE ..... Enjoy😎
@truman5838
@truman5838 3 жыл бұрын
Morality is situational and circumstantial. Religion doesn't have a monopoly on morality. There are plenty of things the Bible teaches that we threw out. The Bible sanctions genocide, slavery, and rape. Sexism. Etc We've morally evolved passed the teachings of the Bible.
@brandonasif4074
@brandonasif4074 3 жыл бұрын
Hes too smart to not have God on his side
@albertbenny431
@albertbenny431 3 жыл бұрын
@@truman5838 The difference is that Jesus Christ himself taught to love thy enemy. The new commandment. That's why the laws pertaining to Jews and their conquest is not practised now. It's actually as Bob said, 1500 years of Christianity
@fightintheshade
@fightintheshade 6 жыл бұрын
i asked an atheist evolutionist if a global islamic caliphate may be the next step in evolution. that was the end of his subjective moral system.
@AdvocateSpirit
@AdvocateSpirit 6 жыл бұрын
Legendary
@georgedoyle2487
@georgedoyle2487 4 ай бұрын
The fact is that under a strictly reductive materialism, atheism or philosophical naturalism “MORALITY” is nothing more substantive than the delusions of an overgrown amoeba with illusions of grandeur!! Moreover, according to the prominent atheist Albert Camus “MORALITY”…. "That's just nature playing a dirty trick on you" [Albert Camus]. OUCH!! Just live it out? You can’t!! At least be a consistent strictly reductive materialist, atheist or philosophical naturalist because according to the greatest atheist thinkers who ever lived with possibly the highest IQs… Logic is an illusion (Nietzsche) “Truths are illusions which we have forgotten are illusions.” - (Nietzsche, Reference from: On Truth and Lies in a Nonmoral Sense). “Should I kill myself?” is the essential philosophical question.” (Albert Camus). Merry chap but at least he’s “logically” consistent with his atheism!! Life is an “horror” and “truth” is “illusory”. (Nietzsche) “Storytellers continue their narratives late into the night to forestall death and to delay the inevitable moment when everyone must fall silent.” (Foucault). Imagine telling all of these little stories to someone as a Christmas bed time story!! And “new atheists” mock our beliefs!! And a very cheerful group of people I bet they were a blast at Christenings, birthday parties, and especially at golden wedding anniversaries and especially at funerals!! But at least they were intellectually honest and “logically” consistent with their atheism!! “MORALITY” “That's just nature playing a dirty trick on you" [Albert Camus]. I rest my case!!
@georgedoyle2487
@georgedoyle2487 4 ай бұрын
Morality is a metaphysical presupposition and a transcendental category. So “MORALITY” isn’t even real under a strictly reductive materialism, atheism or philosophical naturalism - yes? It’s just brain chemicals, that is it’s just the BRAINS USER ILLUSION OF SELF!! Under this strictly reductive, causally closed, atheistic nihilistic fan fiction “MORALITY” is nothing more substantive than the delusions of a determined machine, that is nothing more substantive than the delusions of a biological and chemical robot - right? The fact is that under a strictly reductive materialism, atheism or philosophical naturalism “MORALITY” is nothing more substantive than the delusions of an overgrown amoeba with illusions of grandeur!! Moreover, according to the prominent atheist Albert Camus “MORALITY”…. "That's just nature playing a dirty trick on you" [Albert Camus]. OUCH!! Just live it out? You can’t!! At least be a consistent strictly reductive materialist, atheist or philosophical naturalist because according to the greatest atheist thinkers who ever lived with possibly the highest IQs… Logic is an illusion (Nietzsche) “Truths are illusions which we have forgotten are illusions.” - (Nietzsche, Reference from: On Truth and Lies in a Nonmoral Sense). “Should I kill myself?” is the essential philosophical question.” (Albert Camus). Merry chap but at least he’s “logically” consistent with his atheism!! Life is an “horror” and “truth” is “illusory”. (Nietzsche) “Storytellers continue their narratives late into the night to forestall death and to delay the inevitable moment when everyone must fall silent.” (Foucault). Imagine telling all of these little stories to someone as a Christmas bed time story!! And “new atheists” mock our beliefs!! And a very cheerful group of people I bet they were a blast at Christenings, birthday parties, and especially at golden wedding anniversaries and especially at funerals!! But at least they were intellectually honest and “logically” consistent with their atheism!! “MORALITY” “That's just nature playing a dirty trick on you" [Albert Camus]. I rest my case!!
@georgedoyle2487
@georgedoyle2487 4 ай бұрын
Exactly!!
@georgedoyle2487
@georgedoyle2487 4 ай бұрын
The fact is that under a strictly reductive materialism, atheism or philosophical naturalism “MORALITY” is nothing more substantive than the delusions of an overgrown amoeba with illusions of grandeur!! Moreover, according to the prominent atheist Albert Camus “MORALITY”…. "That's just nature playing a dirty trick on you" [Albert Camus]. OUCH!! Just live it out? You can’t!! At least be a consistent strictly reductive materialist, atheist or philosophical naturalist because according to the greatest atheist thinkers who ever lived with possibly the highest IQs… Logic is an illusion (Nietzsche) “Truths are illusions which we have forgotten are illusions.” - (Nietzsche, Reference from: On Truth and Lies in a Nonmoral Sense). “Should I kill myself?” is the essential philosophical question.” (Albert Camus). Merry chap but at least he’s “logically” consistent with his atheism!! Life is an “horror” and “truth” is “illusory”. (Nietzsche) “Storytellers continue their narratives late into the night to forestall death and to delay the inevitable moment when everyone must fall silent.” (Foucault). Imagine telling all of these little stories to someone as a Christmas bed time story!! And “new atheists” mock our beliefs!! And a very cheerful group of people I bet they were a blast at Christenings, birthday parties, and especially at golden wedding anniversaries and especially at funerals!! But at least they were intellectually honest and “logically” consistent with their atheism!! “MORALITY” “That's just nature playing a dirty trick on you" [Albert Camus]. I rest my case!!
@roland20002000
@roland20002000 6 жыл бұрын
There would never have been the enlightenment with out Christian morals.
@malmalhi007
@malmalhi007 6 жыл бұрын
i don't see the connection to exclusivity ie christian values.. please elaborate.. ty
@roland20002000
@roland20002000 6 жыл бұрын
I'm going to have to work out a way of explaining this with out writing an entire book. If you look at western civilisation which is founded in Christianity from its early roots each generation sort to rectify the mistakes and injustice of the previous . Each generation sort to improve on the good things achieved by the previous. Standards and attitudes of one generation to the next always improved . The attitude of the rich towards the poor always improved. That is in no way to say it was a walk in the park or everything was a bed of roses but if you compare it to every where else in the world the Christian world progressed at a far greater rate then any where else in every single way by leaps and bounds. If this was nothing to do with Christianity and its values and was just the natural progression of humanity then the enlightenment would have happened every where in the world but it didn't it happened in Britain first and then spread out through Europe. Not only did the enlightenment happen just in Europe most of the world never had this period at all and much of the world still live as peasants. The main thing Christianity or Judo-Christianity did was make the rich feel they had a responsibility to the poor and this meant above all other things educating the poor and it was that education that slowly created moire and more wealth and each generation that was lifted from poverty sort to use their wealth to educate more of the poor and that in turn created more wealth and more and more people with the ability to think and contribute to society. For all the above to happen requires a general set of values that will allow it to happen and those values started in the Judo-christian religion. The idea of loving your enemy and a feeling of responsibility towards your fellow man doesn't exist outside of the western world. Just to give you a quick example of Christian values over other values is if you see a homeless man begging for money our general view is to help the man where as in say India where there is more of a belief in karma the view would be he's homeless because he's a bad person and deserves to be homeless. I''m not picking on India the same is true in Buddhism. Any way best leave it there before I go on two much.
@malmalhi007
@malmalhi007 6 жыл бұрын
ty for your response.. i find it acceptable apart from "The idea of loving your enemy and a feeling of responsibility towards your fellow man doesn't exist outside of the western world." In Sikhi we have a view on this that resonates with Christianity.
@roland20002000
@roland20002000 6 жыл бұрын
Sorry I had to try and make it as brief and generalised as possible that was just highlighting one aspect of it. Like I say to explain the whole process properly would require going back thousands of years. Interestingly enough other than a few wars at the start of things the Sikhs and the British have had a pretty good relationship. The first man allowed to train in the British army as an officer who was not British was a Sikh who was the adopted son of Queen Victoria. There's a great little documentary on it here's the link kzbin.info/www/bejne/sF6yZWucl5J_ja8
@jxcess3891
@jxcess3891 6 жыл бұрын
72 Virgin Goats It's very simple. Matthew 5:44 But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you The above quote from Jesus leads us to tolerance and tolerance leads us to respect the beliefs of others which in turn leads to enlightenment.
@artj2657
@artj2657 4 ай бұрын
FANTASTIC discussion Bob! I agree with your points completely! “BRINGING THEM HOME” ❤️
@yuliusmatippanna9832
@yuliusmatippanna9832 6 жыл бұрын
The seeds have been sown, let's praying and may God gives the growth.
@ThruTheUnknown
@ThruTheUnknown 6 жыл бұрын
Yulius Matippanna Amen
@ThruTheUnknown
@ThruTheUnknown 6 жыл бұрын
AlF onSo So true
@joeyspinelli4906
@joeyspinelli4906 5 ай бұрын
Keep On Truckin'!
@runfromyourwife9594
@runfromyourwife9594 6 жыл бұрын
Q. Is abortion wrong? A. Yes. That guy that danced around the question is a spastic.
@mphomkhalipi6537
@mphomkhalipi6537 6 жыл бұрын
I would love to see Bob on Sunday’s program Big Question dismantle the establishment elites lies and liberal narratives
@chillfactor2021
@chillfactor2021 6 жыл бұрын
Love your teachings bob!
@martinmb1189
@martinmb1189 6 жыл бұрын
This is what I call Bob with knowledge and understand what nature is from Our Lord Jesus who come to earth to understand Us.
@elroygertze8115
@elroygertze8115 6 жыл бұрын
More of this please Socco.
@sleepwalker7755
@sleepwalker7755 5 жыл бұрын
Fantastic respectful debate ... Bob well done. God bless you.
@qitzpaquitojr.reston2337
@qitzpaquitojr.reston2337 4 жыл бұрын
This man got some wisdom and patience. Yes, he’s right Jesus preach repentance to God, not tolerance of sins.
@g1234i
@g1234i 3 жыл бұрын
The first person I would like to meet in UK more than 👑 is BOB The Lord's Soldier
@saintphilis
@saintphilis 4 жыл бұрын
It's delusion vs. TRUTH.
@vmathvmath
@vmathvmath 6 жыл бұрын
Great point about Christ giving the better moral examole, His being proactive, thanks Bob
@acedrafter
@acedrafter 7 ай бұрын
Onward Christian soldiers, free your mind, thank you for sharing this truth stream
@feelthafunk4548
@feelthafunk4548 6 жыл бұрын
GOD BLESS YOU BOB
@ste-fitzgerald
@ste-fitzgerald 2 жыл бұрын
I thought that was a great discussion , I am a follower of the Lord Jesus and love to see debate like that . I have to say it was a lot more civil and understandable than the debates with Islamists. But I just wanted to say , thanks for fighting against this liberal authority that says, anything goes as long as you agree with us. Thanks for all the work you do Bob. God bless you
@C.I.B.onTV.
@C.I.B.onTV. 6 жыл бұрын
Very good man bob
@truthalwaysprevail2738
@truthalwaysprevail2738 6 жыл бұрын
Iam In ❤️ with his thinking Bob may your knowledge and spirituality grow in the name of Jesus,, Soco keep the good fight
@truthalwaysprevail2738
@truthalwaysprevail2738 6 жыл бұрын
Bob “ who says we teach acceptance and tolerance😂😂😂😂🎓🎓🎓 36:29
@isaiahvakameilalo86
@isaiahvakameilalo86 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you Bob I learned lots from teaching.
@evoxtheevangelist2348
@evoxtheevangelist2348 6 жыл бұрын
Bob: This is why we need God to underpin objective morality. Atheist: We don't. Bob: We do. It was funny watching the Atheist blurt "No" every time Bob made a case for God. It was like watching someone argue with a 13 year old.
@wmarkfish
@wmarkfish 5 жыл бұрын
We require an absolute moral ground to underpin objective morality.
@JustPast12
@JustPast12 5 жыл бұрын
First one to get Bob a studio wins
@wmarkfish
@wmarkfish 5 жыл бұрын
...and also a stable secure home environment. It sounds like Bob has no definite place to lay his head. Even a fox has a hole.
@TheChurchIsLikenUntoTheMoon
@TheChurchIsLikenUntoTheMoon 6 жыл бұрын
I liked that debate it was productive. I like Atheists/ Christian debates.
@wmarkfish
@wmarkfish 5 жыл бұрын
Absolute morality is a better phrase than objective morality because the word absolute is a more perfect antonym of subjective or relative. An object can be compared to another object; an object can appear subjective but Absolute necessarily has no comparison and is not subject to the sences. There is only one Absolute and that is the Truth. An atheist may deny an absolute saying it cannot be attained but that is not to say it is not approachable. Christ is that Absolute.
@ericsonofjohn9384
@ericsonofjohn9384 6 жыл бұрын
Fuckin hell bob, 8 mins in, you just opened my mind. I'm not christian but I always enjoy listening to your very logical arguments
@everlastthomas3549
@everlastthomas3549 6 жыл бұрын
You r so right. Christ is the best Moral standard n for that matter, God is the moral giver.
@alexlainagudo6228
@alexlainagudo6228 2 жыл бұрын
Bob the Builder, the lion warrior in speakers corner!
@jamalkhan3708
@jamalkhan3708 4 жыл бұрын
Bob is a great teacher. Keep demolishing islam✊👌💪
@TheChurchIsLikenUntoTheMoon
@TheChurchIsLikenUntoTheMoon 6 жыл бұрын
Bob is a great at debating. The other guy bases a lot he says off emotion. When you truly understand the Bible you’ll therefore embrace the knowledge it gives on how to live. The Bible is the True Word of the Father, The Word, and the Holy Spirit.
@arno7303
@arno7303 6 жыл бұрын
Bob did great but he missed a clincher that jeff durbin hits pretty well when arguing with atheists. their claim ".. I don't believe in God, yet i have a great moral compass..." Jeff:"That's because you are an image bearer of God and he has imprinted his moral code on your heart...". Any claim made to their moral superiority is void. Romans 1 says they KNOW what is wrong and they KNOW they God they want to deny exists BECAUSE the moral code God imprinted on their hearts convict them! God bless.
@youmustbebornagain7923
@youmustbebornagain7923 6 жыл бұрын
oh i love bob! bless him!
@j.p.4910
@j.p.4910 6 жыл бұрын
Bob a veritable working class hero.
@mteverest2747
@mteverest2747 3 жыл бұрын
I love Bobs videos, bless
@ConnecttoSoul
@ConnecttoSoul 6 жыл бұрын
Thank you for all your regular understanding, driving force not to mention education to back-up my venture to becoming increasingly consciously alert moreover spiritually connected.
@Ogdensnutgoneflake78
@Ogdensnutgoneflake78 6 жыл бұрын
I am on a spiritual journey and finding my way. Would you answer some questions for me? 1. What are your beliefs as christians about evolution? 2. Is all of the Old Testament to be taken as historical truth and literally? 3. How do you approach the "bad" things God did in Old Testament? 4. What is the Christian stance on homosexuality? Many thanks, I love the New Testament and message of Jesus, but these are some issues that will block me from becoming a Christian so will be good to have more insight
@j.p.4910
@j.p.4910 6 жыл бұрын
pompeychris81 Congrats, continue on your journey. Read through the Scripture with the faithful expectation that God will speak to you and most of those question will be answered. Now, I will warn you that if you do this many of your philosophical priors will be challenged. However God will give you grace during this process.
@ungas024
@ungas024 2 жыл бұрын
I know this is 3 years too late but I will try to answer your Questions as a Catholic: 1. What are your beliefs as christians about evolution? I as a Catholic don't treat the Book of Genesis Literally (Adam and Eve), I personally believe the Theory of Evolution is the truth. faith and reason should complement each other (read FIDES ET RATIO by Pope John Paul II). 2. Is all of the Old Testament to be taken as historical truth and literally? We take it as Historically truth. 3. How do you approach the "bad" things God did in Old Testament? It is done to protect the Children of God, reality is based on the environment that you are in that time. You have to be precise on the "Bad" things so I can answer to the best of my abilities. 4. What is the Christian stance on homosexuality? We hate the sin but not the sinner but I think that there are protestant who openly accept Gay Marriage. If you want to read the bible I suggest you start from the book of John and keep in mind that we read the Bible through a Covenant System which Christ fulfill when he died on the Cross. It means that we should now follow the New Covenant (which is the New Testament). I Suggest you to read St. Augustine works "Summa Theologiae" this is mostly the Church Doctrine and thought provoking works of St. Thomas Aquinas
@danielanthony8373
@danielanthony8373 3 ай бұрын
This is Great Stuff If only Bob could reach a larger audience PooTube is definitely not going to help him
@MartinKrupinsky
@MartinKrupinsky 4 жыл бұрын
This is excellent Bob 👌
@SxVaNm345
@SxVaNm345 6 жыл бұрын
I agree with Bob on the objective biological reason for sexuality, and food consumption. I also have no ideological affiliation, and am an Agnostic truth seeker. The fact that people receive enjoyment from both these things, as a secondary reaction, is completely irrelevant to that fact that, both these things only exist for two main purposes; - Reproduction for gene propagation, and sustenance to keep our mind, and body heathy and functioning. There are also many societal factors that also play a role in sexuality, and food consumption amongst the animal kingdom, none of it has to do with ‘pleasure’, Reality is not porn, Charlie’s chocolate factory or playboy (Which can be quite misogynistic, strange enough.) Now, on Sexuality: Only 3 species on Earth indulge in sexuality for enjoyment: Dolphins, Bonobo Apes and Humans. Which the last two aforementioned species, only having sex for enjoyment due to societal factors I.e. bonding with spouse, showing protection, safety and care in the group. Also, There is a reason why most animals tend to raise their young in groups, or in a single family unit. Now don’t get me wrong, I fully support same sex marriage. However, While Homosexuality occurs naturally within many animal species, The sole purpose again for them to behave sexually, is not only pleasure, in fact that maybe only a side dish reason for them. The main reasons are gathering a bond within your close unit group, and assuring better survival for you, and your group. We do not live in a Hentai animated series. As for food: Again, The only species who may over-indulge on this act, without wanting to acquire sustenance, are human beings. The other animal species can start to over-eat if they get too spoiled by their owners, or groups (due to boredom, depression, they were always over-fed by their owners, & it’s all they know, or to exclaim dominance, eating all the food showing you are the alpha boss), but in general, most animals eat food moderately. Which is why most animals are not obese, and some quite skinny. Only humans tend to make themselves obese, due to our heighten intelligence, and awareness. Though over-eating is not very wise, or healthy. Soar-Head signing out. 🧔🏻👍
@samq1181
@samq1181 6 жыл бұрын
Really interesting debate
@Kaho
@Kaho 6 жыл бұрын
God is *THE STANDARD* , you cannot draw good if you don't know the standard of perfection which is the MAXIM of goodness for only GOD is good. Mark 10: 18 18 And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God. Luke 18: 19 19 And Jesus said unto him, Why callest thou me good? none is good, save one, that is, God. You know you did wrong because you know what is right, our conscience is written in our hearts by God. Romans 2: 14-15 14 For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves: 15 Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another;)
@ericsonofjohn9384
@ericsonofjohn9384 6 жыл бұрын
Why is it so hard for this dude in the glasses to understand that his morals have been influenced by society, and society's morals have been influenced by christianity? Does he think that if he grew up alone with no connection to society that his morals would be the same?
@supermaniswatchingyou9572
@supermaniswatchingyou9572 6 жыл бұрын
Bob the teacher
@PatrickHutton
@PatrickHutton 6 жыл бұрын
The guy in the white top is essentially espousing hedonism.
@truman5838
@truman5838 3 жыл бұрын
Present a scenario and ask me what should be done morally based on the scenario. I'll simply asses the situation and come up with the right and morally correct answer/conclusion. I'm not religious and I'm confident I'll do the right thing each and every time. The Bible is not and should not be used as a Moral guideline.
@albertbenny431
@albertbenny431 3 жыл бұрын
@@truman5838 How do you define that what you are doing is right/wrong? What is the basis of it?
@TheJohnCooper
@TheJohnCooper 6 жыл бұрын
I was in the debate with bob. What bob was doing throughout was collectivising and trying to assign judgment based on the group he arbitrarily puts people in. Morality does not belong to “his book”. It’s a conglomeration of awareness, intuition, biological instinct, observation. Bob conceded that If he gave up Christianity he’d still be somewhat moral which then proves that morality doesn’t belong to Christianity - it simply espouses it. I only joined in because bob was riddled with logical fallacies and dogma. With that being said, it was good fun and bob seemed a good minded guy.
@TheJohnCooper
@TheJohnCooper 6 жыл бұрын
all religions are as flawed as the rest.
@godsgrasshopper272
@godsgrasshopper272 6 жыл бұрын
If you were born in a different time or country, you would adhere more closely to their cultures moral value, not the ones you think are currently your own. For example, In certain African countries, children eat the organs of people they have killed because they have been taught they can gain their strength. You would be doing the same if you were brought up there. Unless you think you're better than them? But hold on...you do think you're better!... " It’s a conglomeration of awareness, intuition, biological instinct, observation." You believe you have better awareness, intuition, biological instinct and observation than innumerable cultures today. That's incredibly racist. You live in a country that gave your forefathers a Christian moral framework and you have piggybacked on that framework and made the claim that you are more moral than countless other nations and people's through your own " awareness, intuition, biological instinct, observation." This is laughably vein, ignorant and arrogant. 1)I think we fortunately had Christianity to shape the basic moral standards. 2)You think you're better than these people, and through your own acumen have higher moral standards than the majority of the world.
@TheJohnCooper
@TheJohnCooper 6 жыл бұрын
"you think you're better than these people, and through your own acumen have higher moral standards than the majority of the world". i never once said I was more moral. You're strawmanning like Bob was. "You believe you have better awareness, intuition, biological instinct and observation than innumerable cultures today. That's incredibly racist. " - lol How is it racist! Culture is not race dear boy. And again, you're strawmanning - I never claimed to have superior morality. The question was where does my morality come from.
@godsgrasshopper272
@godsgrasshopper272 6 жыл бұрын
"The question was where does my morality come from." It comes from the framework that Christianity laid the foundations for. As explained, your moral standards would be entirely different if born in a different time/location. " I never claimed to have superior morality." You never claimed to be morally superior to someone who cuts the heart out of his enemies and eats it for strength. I am claiming to be morally superior, through Christianity. Using this example are you... 1)Morally superior to this through your own "" It’s a conglomeration of awareness, intuition, biological instinct, observation." Or 2)Not morally superior, as you never claimed to be?
@TheJohnCooper
@TheJohnCooper 6 жыл бұрын
I wonder why you struggle to grasp my point. I’ll try again... there are 100s of religions all claiming to be the absolute truth whilst discrediting every other religion as bogus. Simple logic suggests they can’t all be right. But they can all be wrong. Whilst Christianity or (insert any other religion) claims to be the definitive moral compass, it is not necessary to be religious to SHARE the same values, ethics, morals. For instance you don’t have to be a feminist to believe in equality of the sexes. And that was the point I made to Bob. If he derives his values from the bible that’s fine. But he should not be forcing his beliefs into others. His argument that being a free thinker echos flawed Kantian ideas, is in itself a logical fallacy. Kant didn’t invent free thinking. He simply commentated about it. He didn’t own the notion of free thinking. To disregard free thinking because of the application of it through kants commentary , is throwing the baby out with the bath water. In much the same way you can be a forgiving person without Christianity. It does not own that virtue. Let me know if that lands a little more clearly for you...
@john-zz6qo
@john-zz6qo 6 жыл бұрын
Well thought out and delivered. I agree. We have this moral framework not only from a Christian heritage but also from the conscience God has given each one of us. His laws are written upon our hearts so that we are without excuse.
@danielanthony8373
@danielanthony8373 3 ай бұрын
Bob is meant for something much bigger than Speakers Corner Bob should be in Parliament Bob for Prime Minister
@unmaskingfools8152
@unmaskingfools8152 6 жыл бұрын
Great one Bob God Bless you
@unmaskingfools8152
@unmaskingfools8152 6 жыл бұрын
Ameer Khan - Of course you have no answer...according to Unholy quran allah has decided before I was born what I will be and do so How is he going to compel me? You should blame him fot anything you disagree with me
@unmaskingfools8152
@unmaskingfools8152 6 жыл бұрын
Ameer Khan - Who is second best?
@unmaskingfools8152
@unmaskingfools8152 6 жыл бұрын
Ameer Khan - But if you say someone is the best then there has to be a second best...Look I dont blame you...Nothing good to say about Islam...Come to Jesus the God of Love, Truth and Hope...You dont live forever so come before it is too late...Allah is a Scam made up by muhammad
@unmaskingfools8152
@unmaskingfools8152 6 жыл бұрын
Ameer Khan - Did your prophet have gsce (GCSE) level because he could not read and write according to muslims....does this make your prophet a donkey?
@kalszlsrdubai
@kalszlsrdubai 5 жыл бұрын
Please explain Christian values and morals to me only from NT??
@feelthafunk4548
@feelthafunk4548 6 жыл бұрын
God Bless you Bob
@alfie1884
@alfie1884 6 жыл бұрын
The Greeks who believed in many gods had a moral compass and built their society on objective truth where science and philosophy flourished with great thinkers and scientists like Plato, Aristotle, Archimedes, Socrates, Hippocrates, Pythagoras, Hypatia and Thales of Miletus. This was long before the birth of Jesus Christ. The teachings of these great Greek thinkers have influenced and continue to influence mankind up till today. The Greeks were enlightened and had a keen sense of morality without Christianity. Even Buddhism has a moral philosophy based on "The Four Noble Truths" and "The Noble Eightfold Path". These Buddhist teachings provide a moral code and way of life toward the achievement of enlightenment. In many ways Buddhist teaching is morally superior to Christianity. In terms of morality, Christianity and Islam as religions are more inferior and much less enlightened than Greek Philosophy and Buddhism.
@truman5838
@truman5838 3 жыл бұрын
Morality is common sense. Relieving suffering. Improving quality of life. Doing what is beneficial. We have empathy / sympathy. Its really quite simple. The Bible isnt a moral guideline. The Bible sanctions genocide, slavery and rape. Sexism. Etc
@ericsonofjohn9384
@ericsonofjohn9384 6 жыл бұрын
Evolution/survival of the fittest is a terrible moral system, that is pretty much selfishness, bob got him there
@diongibbs312
@diongibbs312 2 жыл бұрын
Even our friend Richard Dawkins admitted a society governed based on Darwinism would be a horrible place.
@mlady8137
@mlady8137 Жыл бұрын
Did he now..... interesting
@panosfillipou14
@panosfillipou14 5 жыл бұрын
So much easier to focus without the shouting and abuse of the Dawah .....
@MrPerfume1979
@MrPerfume1979 6 жыл бұрын
Agreed with the atheist. But Bob and christinianity is preferable than the reliance on each and everyones intellect.
@gr3atestthink3r86
@gr3atestthink3r86 6 жыл бұрын
GrimSpeaker Not in all cases.
@trevwils6718
@trevwils6718 6 жыл бұрын
Why do i keep seeing ramadan ads on your videos? 'its ramadan i'm making my zakat count' aaaaaarrrrrrrghhhhhhh
@Ramo_Baramia
@Ramo_Baramia 6 жыл бұрын
The guy in white is self lover and his own god , thats the problem of the world today.
@wildmanrobsonsprinter4503
@wildmanrobsonsprinter4503 6 жыл бұрын
I'm pleased that there were no brick walls close by Bob or your head would surely be smashed from banging your noggin!
@coullennfergus6341
@coullennfergus6341 6 жыл бұрын
Sex isn't solely about reproduction. The infertile continue to have sex, homosexuals have sex....in a number of species sex has a recreational component beyond sperm and egg.
@victor5642
@victor5642 4 жыл бұрын
Did bob just cuss at 17:21 wtffff lmao??
@danielanthony8373
@danielanthony8373 3 ай бұрын
Bob is Biblically Brilliant
@yuvanwinanda2210
@yuvanwinanda2210 6 жыл бұрын
A free thinker is like a boat adrift without anchor.
@rebeccashinhmar7165
@rebeccashinhmar7165 6 жыл бұрын
The Bible is the best example of what's right and what wrong! Jesus is the Light of the world as he set the Best example to show us how, to have the best way to live our life!! Our roots are embedded in Christian roots it's true !! Good morals comes from God's precious Word ( BIBLE) and even our QUEEN reads the Bible and good direction from a good relationship with God !! Jesus shows us how to live a good life which is pleasing to God and a good direction in our life! The Bible is God's standard to live an obedient and righteous Life; that's why we need God's word in our life to give us Hope and the right DIRECTION in our life!! Jesus is God Almighty and the king of kings!! Amen
@bryanwagoki2071
@bryanwagoki2071 4 жыл бұрын
1Jo:5:1: Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him. 1Jo:5:2: By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments. 1Jo:5:3: For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous. 1Jo:5:4: For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith.
@mikeevans3681
@mikeevans3681 6 жыл бұрын
God chose to make the orgasm (sex generally ) a pleasurable experience (within marriage or not) rather than neutral or painful. Bob skipped over that saying sexual pleasure is secondary. It's more significant than that but bob, like other xtIans, has bought into the corrupted idea of sex that the world has embraced. Eg. Most xtIans think there is no sex in heaven. (As though sex itself is a bad thing) Sexual desire is part of the test along with other desires we are tempted to worship.
@savithriiyer9458
@savithriiyer9458 6 жыл бұрын
What is unique about Christian morality? Someone please enlighten me.
@savithriiyer9458
@savithriiyer9458 6 жыл бұрын
Buddha sat under a tree for 20 odd years to receive enlightenment!! What utter rubbish!! Bob does not know the ABC of Buddhism.
@kalszlsrdubai
@kalszlsrdubai 5 жыл бұрын
It was 6 years not 20.
@chrisholton1381
@chrisholton1381 6 жыл бұрын
Pleasure is not the reward you get for reproducing, sex is pleasurable because humans have a very low conception rate so it is the encouragement to keep doing it untill you reproduce. Animals with much higher conception rates do not get pleasure from sex.
@PintoSound
@PintoSound 6 жыл бұрын
16:37 why lie????
@antonypotsiar5565
@antonypotsiar5565 6 жыл бұрын
pintosound pride
@Neptun776
@Neptun776 6 жыл бұрын
O no, bob s denial of joy of sex is pathetic..
@antonypotsiar5565
@antonypotsiar5565 6 жыл бұрын
Neptun776 he does not deny it he simply said that was not its point.
@kmobile8089
@kmobile8089 6 жыл бұрын
Bob is correct, but you don't need a god. What are morals? For example. If I pinch myself it is painful. If someone hits me it hurts. Moral don't hit people. You don't need a god to come to the conclusion.
@westernriteorthodox8719
@westernriteorthodox8719 6 жыл бұрын
If your a Atheist, you believe you was a Cosmic Chemical accident, you have no inadequate basis to say a Human has value, because they are ultimately valueless in a Atheistic framework. A TV has more value then a Human in your framework, because at least the TV was designed and foreknown, the TV therefore has Value, However, Humans in your framework, do not have value as they are a accident. Accidents don't have Value, and to say Human do have value your standing on my worldview and you will stand on my worldview and say Humans have value because your in the Image of God.
@walkerscott77
@walkerscott77 6 жыл бұрын
kzbin.info/www/bejne/aHLHpKuwp9ODoM0 .Subscribe to this channel called "Islam Critiqued" He is a New Channel Exposing and Destroying Islamic Text.
@kmobile8089
@kmobile8089 6 жыл бұрын
Uncle Omars Stick . You are wrong. The earth is billions of years old and humans only evolved recently. We meant nothing before that. When the human race dies out, as 99% of species already have we will mean nothing then. You don't understand natural selection because it is NOT chance. We don't require a god to explain anything that is why there is no proof of a god.
@kmobile8089
@kmobile8089 6 жыл бұрын
scott walker . Thanks Scott. Just checked it out and subscribed.
@tadm123
@tadm123 6 жыл бұрын
You can discipline your child and therefore cause him some pain, but it’s morally good to do that. You can sacrifice yourself for other people by inflicting pain on yourself, but that’s morally good. Many other examples where this is not the case..
@skywings8485
@skywings8485 3 жыл бұрын
Bob says it's white working class people that is suffering the most which is a lie or just wrong They don't suffer from racism and economic exclusion like black people have for hundreds of years. whatever problems white working class people have,they are not comparable to what black people have suffered from by the racist christian church and muslim societies as well. Bob has got cognitive dissonance when it comes to the crimes of the church.
@iAmQuiver
@iAmQuiver 6 жыл бұрын
When an Atheist is lacking knowledge to give a propper response : Well.. your building a strawman now..
@TheJohnCooper
@TheJohnCooper 6 жыл бұрын
1Entity I’m not an atheist. If you were listening carefully you would have heard me say that
@iAmQuiver
@iAmQuiver 6 жыл бұрын
Oh we all come here to listen Maverick.. worry about your own listening capability. keep doing your thing Mr.Coope. and try and give yourself time to process what is being said before jumping to the strawman defense.
@TheJohnCooper
@TheJohnCooper 6 жыл бұрын
1Entity slightly condescending
@iAmQuiver
@iAmQuiver 6 жыл бұрын
Your right. My bad, Nice content btw consider me subbed.
@giorgirijamadze9406
@giorgirijamadze9406 4 ай бұрын
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@bryanwagoki2071
@bryanwagoki2071 4 жыл бұрын
1Jo:5:1: Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him. 1Jo:5:2: By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments. 1Jo:5:3: For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous. 1Jo:5:4: For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith.
@bryanwagoki2071
@bryanwagoki2071 4 жыл бұрын
1Jo:5:1: Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him. 1Jo:5:2: By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments. 1Jo:5:3: For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous. 1Jo:5:4: For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith.
@bryanwagoki2071
@bryanwagoki2071 4 жыл бұрын
1Jo:5:1: Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him. 1Jo:5:2: By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments. 1Jo:5:3: For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous. 1Jo:5:4: For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith.
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