Christianity is the Greatest Story - Tom Holland and Paul Vanderklay

Glen Scrivener hosts a panel with historian Tom Holland (author of Dominion and co-presenter of The Rest is History podcast) and pastor Paul Vanderklay (KZbinr known as the pastor to the intellectual dark web). They discuss mission in the meaning crisis. Recorded on 3rd September at Oak Hill College.
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[@tuber00009]

10 years ago I was deep in the world of Dawkins and avowed atheist. Now I hear and feel Jesus calling...

[@naikhanomtom7552]

Same, but I was called a little earlier and am now baptised orthodox along with my wife and kids. Christ is truly a fisher of men and he uses all sorts of bait to eventually catch us. Some need miracles, others need intellectual discussions etc. But once he calls you, it's unmistakable.

[@beachcomber1able]

​@@naikhanomtom7552What you experienced was an auditory hallucination 😮 Have you ever suffered from schizophrenia, bipolar disorder, or severe depression. 🤔

[@andreasplosky8516]

I am so sorry.

[@carriescott4555]

"American evangelicals have tried, for a very long time, to distill and package and put in pill form the gospel. So that it can be reliably delivered to thousands of people. There's something deeply idolatrous about that." @paulvanderklay your wisdom never fails to strike my heart. Thank you

[@kristinechristlieb1383]

Yes, but they are trying. What are YOU doing?

[@klowen7778]

Yep, Holland's right, its not just the christian religion, it's the whole system of _values_ that we now take for granted in the West. Though to be fair, humans aren't naturally 'amoral', and there's also growing evidence and research to indicate that even newborne infants come with some innate sense of 'moral values' (aka, fairness, gratitude, cooperation, concepts of 'good & bad', empathy, etc.). kzbin.info/www/bejne/fnO6ZqmandeShqM

[@JosefSvenningsson]

Tom Hollands love for the Christian stories is really striking. This was a fantastic event. It was such a privilege to be there.

[@DerekJFiedler]

"I do quite like prodding the humanists, having been a humanist myself... I have the thrill of apostasy." Great, friendly conversation. Thank you, gentlemen.

[@Timothyleepowers]

Paul’s laugh always makes me smile.

[@ethanb2554]

I was thinking this the whole video, lo and behold I look down afterwards and it's the first comment 😂

[@oliverjamito9902]

Students what is HUMILITY? Thy STRONGEST HEIRS and our BEAUTIFUL! Able to stand up from HIS SEAT and to come to the Lowest SEAT LASTS! To washed all the ACCUSERS FEET TO BE GIVEN NEW FEET! EVEN THOUGH KNOWING CAN BOUND ALL FEET! "i" with... Heirs and our Beautiful who are commanded to keep watch! Likewise unto all who will point fingers nor to find to blame! Becareful!, visitations unto all CALLS THEMSELVES RENOWNED! What is Renowned unto all the "WISE"? Bring all Thy innocents little treasures in FRONT! NOR WILL LEAVE MY PRECIOUS TREASURES! Heirs and our Beautiful will say remember look! Our little Heirs and our Beautiful surroundings ABOUT! Likewise remember from Here CAN REPLACE! Many forgotten! Once an innocents little Minds God's glory! What is old minds "WHO AM I"? Sincere Laughter! Even laughing so filled tears coming out from their eyes! With COMFORT SURROUNDING ABOUT THEE ALL! Gratitude and Honor for thy attending and visitations to comfort the COMFORTER!

[@oliverjamito9902]

My beautiful who are ye ALL? Thy shared "i" with the AM=1. What else my beautiful? Who love with patience, mercy, and grace! Judgment and Justice is thy THRONE! Visited Thee my Beautiful! My beautiful will say, then unto all HIS HEIRS UPON ALL HIS FOOTSTOOL! FOWL OF THE AIR! What is Heaven above? Through Thee and for Thee!

[@rikkikeen1859]

GK Chesterton - "“The modern world is full of the old Christian virtues gone mad. The virtues have gone mad because they have been isolated from each other and are wandering alone. Thus some scientists care for truth; and their truth is pitiless. Thus some humanitarians only care for pity; and their pity (I am sorry to say) is often untruthful.”

[@crakhaed]

Teared up at the beginning with Paul talking about imagining how churches could be places you would find a listening ear and a meaningful conversation. Very moving.

[@formulanon7543]

I remember as a child I was utterly fascinated by the Gospels and the wider stories of the bible. It was the only lesson I truly enjoyed. I went to a CoE school, so the entire primary curriculum was saturated in biblical thinking but it was the actual telling of the stories that kept me engrossed. When I moved to a secular state school, the stories stopped. We learned what the bible was, rather than what it was about. I went into school as a budding Christian, naive yes but budding nonetheless. I left school as a nihilistic atheist. It wasn't until some 14yrs later when I discovered Jordan Peterson that I remembered how much I loved the bible, since then my faith has rebudded and it feel good to walk in the presence of God.

[@mistymoor7114]

You would not have that experience today in a C of E school, Jesus is rarely mentioned and hardly a bible found anywhere !

[@seasidesue816]

@@mistymoor7114 That’s sad. I wonder why? I’m asking that sincerely. I’m American, so I don’t know anything about the Church of England.

[@jounisuninen]

@@seasidesue816 We wonder, but this is told us in the Bible. "People will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boastful, proud, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy, without love, unforgiving, slanderous, without self-control, brutal, not lovers of the good, treacherous, rash, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God- having a form of godliness but denying its power. Have nothing to do with such people” (2 Timothy 3:1-5).

[@jamessgian7691]

"In most modern people there is a battle between the new opinions, which they do not follow out to their end, and the old traditions, which they do not trace back to their beginning. If they followed the new notions forward, it would lead them to Bedlam. If they followed the better instincts backward it would lead them to Rome.” - Chesterton

[@Andre_Louis_Moreau]

I first heard of Tom Holland about 4 years ago... because someone on fb compared my atheist views of Christianity to his view, and posted a meme with a quote of his about Christianity uplifting women. I stole the meme, and didn't think much of it. The same thing continued to happen occasionally over the next few years. I ignored it... until 6 months ago, when rather than a meme, someone who'd interviewed him for her podcast sent me her interview. It was eerie hearing him... it was me with British accent! Hats off to Tom, a brilliant man for being able to come to all my same conclusions about Christianity without ever bothering me once, and asking for my help! He's an obviously a genius.

[@Xanaseb]

It was a great privilege to be in this audience that evening! Well worth it. Rich talk, conversation and Q&A

[@DistinctAndReticent]

God gives grace to the humble. Tom's humility is in fact a manifestation of God drawing him toward Jesus Christ through his candid and forthright studies of the Bible. Praying for salvation during this fraught winter season.

[@elwiramendezs1144]

❤ Thank God for your Conference!!! With love ❤️ from Mexico City ❤

[@davidtrujillo993]

I certainly found Jordan, but when I read Dominion, I went from Atheist to Christian again.

[@DerekJFiedler]

What happened? How did Dominion make the difference?

[@davidtrujillo993]

@@DerekJFiedler It made me feel as if we are on a train moving from point A to B. There are no options or intermediate stops. The only ones who realized this were the Germans and wanted out of the train or a different route. Not an option.

[@DerekJFiedler]

@@davidtrujillo993 Interesting, thanks for sharing.

[@KillerKabel]

For me, reading Dominion, it was kind of a shock to learn just how radical Christianity actually was (is?) in transforming the world. Many of my beliefs found their roots through that book. We care about random people on the street who fall over. Reading Dominion taught me that that's not 'natural' - or an 'of course' kind of thing. It's Christianity.

[@davidtrujillo993]

@@KillerKabel I can relate to that experience as well. I recall the mention of how the church became a shelter for prostitutes to the point where some used their money to pay for church repairs or how the church became the spark to free slaves from sexual oppression. But then, to me, it seems that the trick of the devil is to continue with the social work removing the image of Christ.

[@mokeboi3328]

The best discussion on this topic I have ever heard...never heard of vanderlay before...what a powerhouse guy...very erudite

[@SpeakLifeMedia]

Thanks so much for your comment, glad you enjoyed the discussion. Paul Vanderklay is great!

[@user-oh5er6pe8u]

I am very thankful for Tom for digging deep into the history of Christianity and presented it in a very profound manner. When we talk about history of Christianity we talk about history of Catholic Church and when we talk about the catholic church we talk about history of Christianity.

[@TheAnadromist]

Excellent discussion all round. To paraphrase Bob Dylan: You know something's happening here, but you don't know what it is, do you mister Harris?

[@vixendixon6943]

Eternity in our hearts shared with a friend is the BEST!

[@jonathanerridge442]

Holland is such a gift.

[@mjja00]

That should read "Holland is such a grift"

[@kbeetles]

What a fantastic treat! Loved the meaty bits and loved the general light-hearted click of the imaginary glasses of mellow wine.

[@oliverjamito9902]

Thank you and Gratitude and Honor for thy visitation! To comfort the COMFORTER!

[@markjohn8472]

Tom is SO sharp, incisive and well read. Paul is amazingly thoughtful and such a generalist, but cares so deeply for people! So proud of him (as a fellow American conservative Christian) for his insights tonight! Glenn-you were such a gracious host! Thank you all!!

[@rodmitchell8576]

It is not the role of the Church to give solace to the World but to preach the Apostolic Gospel.

[@leeciaann]

I have been moved and thrilled listening to these three wonderful men whom I admire one and all for speaking wondrous words concerning the FAITH. I have watched each of you many many times on various KZbin presentations and discussions. There is much that can be said for many of the aspects of what we believe and it's powerful influence throughout history up until this very day. As a child of the sixties and seventies Jesus movement I was thoroughly converted and surprised to find myself going to church... Just like many of these Jordan Peterson converts. But through the many years I've been in the faith I find something very central feels missing in many churches, bible studies and Christian discourse .That missing thing that I yearn for is the person of Jesus Christ himself being made Central and the.... focus of every gathering. I often feel Jesus himself has been left in the corner as the church has moved on to so many other " important things." The few sermons and bible studies where they actually do speak at any length about Jesus Christ himself bring me to tears...... Because I am finally hearing about him whom my heart continuously yearns to hear about. I find that beholding, him focusing on him, hearing about him , talking about him brings me the greatest comfort stability inspiration. The other neglected & relegated to the corner, aspect of our faith is communion. Many churches and Christians do it once a month without much depth or appreciation of the privilege of receiving this New Covenant ritual honor. Focused on the magnificent person of Jesus Christ and his admonition for us to remember him through his shed blood and broken body are to me what keeps my faith alive and flourishing. And all of us as with unveiled face, continued to behold ,as in a mirror the glory of the Lord, are constantly being transfigured into his very own image in ever-increasing splendor from one degree of Glory to another for this is from the Lord who is the Spirit . 2 Corinthians 3:18. God bless you men.

[@SL-es5kb]

I feel that too. Although I am Catholic and moved to tears each and every mass because of communion, the gospels are read and the mass it makes us observe the last supper and implicitly the Passion … I long to talk about the risen Christ, the Jesus who is with his believers and acting in their lives now. I thought protestants had that in their communities, but I guess that’s not necessarily so. I pray for the day when Jesus is so present for all that we can’t help but talk about him in every conversation. I still think these sorts of abstract conversations about the pragmatic aspects of Faith are helpful in bringing people to the point where they can believe enough to pray and ask to be shown, as an intellectual it was philosophy that brought me to the point where I thought in my darkest moment maybe there was some point to falling to my knees and asking God to show me. He sent his son. Praise Jesus and thanks for your comment ❤️.

[@leeciaann]

Thank you for your beautiful reply. May our Lord be lifted up, magnified and exalted ..... I pray our yearnings will soon fill the earth and every hungry heart and soul.

[@jacquedegatineau9037]

PVK got to hear "the dripping forests of saxony" live. Bucket list item.

[@PaulVanderKlay]

First time live at least. :)

[@naikhanomtom7552]

Im a former materialist athiest. Used to think i was so smart because I read Dawkins and Darwin and put all my faith in Scientism. After some psychedelic use, i started to be open to there being more beyond the material, but absolutely sure that organised religion was a way to control us or keep us from truth... Fast forward to 32 and im now an Orthodox Christian with faith so strong I am often moved to tears during liturgy or prayer/contemplation. Its actually insane how different my world view now is. When I was baptised and did my lifetime confession, I absolutely sobbed and asked forgiveness for my previous blasphemy. It all haplened so naturally too. Started out with Peterson and Pageau which opened my eyes to the practical wisdom in scripture, but I still couldnt understand how anyone could actually believe this stuff. I must be being led by the Holy spirit as now I cant think of anything more glorious than being martyred for Christ ☦️❤️

[@ptptpt123]

Thank you for sharing

[@phmayor]

You don’t want to be martyred. It’s not necessary.

[@naikhanomtom7552]

@@phmayor I didn't say I want to mate. I said there's nothing more Glorious ❤️

[@carriescott4555]

"Explaining this to anyone who hasn't watched 1,000 hrs of Paul Vanderklay is pointless...and they won't watch it no matter how many links I send them..." 💯 😅

[@VRCLabs]

The struggle is real!!

[@beverleypender5931]

Excellent, Glen. Thank you SO much for Speak Life. It is always interesting and thought-provoking.

[@moseshamlett3887]

I love Tom and Dominik. I love The rest is History. I love Jordan Peterson. I love Jesus. And I love this. Odly enough I only found The rest is History through listening to Dan Carlin. I am going to have to go read Dominion.

[@normanlorrain]

This is like a classic TV crossover episode. Remington Steele meets Columbo. Or something like that! 😉

[@mogx2586]

Here is a man who was born in an obscure village as the child of a peasant woman. He grew up in another obscure village. He worked in a carpenter shop until he was thirty and then for three years was an itinerant preacher. He never wrote a book. He never held an office. He never owned a home. He never had a family. He never went to college. He never put his foot inside a big city. He never traveled two hundred miles from the place where he was born. He never did one of the things that usually accompany greatness. He had no credentials but himself. He had nothing to do with this world except the naked power of his divine manhood. While still a young man the tide of popular opinion turned against him. His friends ran away. One of them denied him. Another betrayed him. He was turned over to his enemies. He went through the mockery of a trial. He was nailed upon the cross between two thieves. His executioners gambled for the only piece of property he had on earth while he was dying, and that was his coat. When he was dead, he was taken down and laid in a borrowed grave through the pity of a friend. Nineteen wide centuries have come and gone and today he is the center of the human race and the leader of the column of progress. I am far within the mark when I say that all the armies that ever marched, and all the navies that were ever built, and all the parliaments that ever sat and all the kings that ever reigned, put together, have not affected the life of man upon the earth as powerfully as has this one solitary life. One Solitary Life - Francis July 1926.

[@jounisuninen]

"When he was dead, he was taken down and laid in a borrowed grave through the pity of a friend." - He was also resurrected by His Father in Heavens.

[@thomassimmons1950]

Paul shines in multi party conversation. It is his strong suit.

[@VRCLabs]

Yes, it is his "super ppwer"

[@thomassimmons1950]

@@VRCLabs Cheers, mate!

[@jonlea1889]

Tom Holland' the Legend'

[@andrew_blank]

1:08:00 “There’s something idolatrous about that [wanting to distill down and put the Christian life into a nice little package]” One of the best parts

[@vixendixon6943]

As a humanist, consider me prodded Mr Holland!!

[@juliagriffiths3291]

Brilliant discussion - thank you xxx

[@HearGodsWord]

Tom Holland is so close to repenting and believing! Need to keep praying for him.

[@denverbritto5606]

I dont think we should speak in terms of repenting. He hasn't sinned any more than I have AFAIK

[@HearGodsWord]

@@denverbritto5606 we should speak in terms of repenting because we're called to repent and believe.

[@denverbritto5606]

@@HearGodsWord go tell a questioning non believer to repent to their face, wont go down well

[@mhjbnz]

This a great quote from PVK: "Part of what happened with the Jordan Peterson thing … that I figured out by the end of 2018 was many of the people coming to me had what I call nihilism-induced depression and it was a strange thing that watching videos of this man rambling about the book of Genesis could relieve their nihilism-induced depression. But then what I also learned was that that medication had a short-term effect and they needed to follow it up with stronger medicine, and that was the strangeness of this story that is beneath all of these other stories that we keep clicking through on Netflix"

[@michaelcherokee8906]

I am here because I didnt realize this Tom Holland WASNT the Spiderman Tom Holland.

[@leedufour]

Thanks Tom, Paul and Glen!

[@DerekJFiedler]

01:14:00 "Perhaps what you see in Africa now is what Europe was like in the Middle Ages - a sense of excitement." Wow the part about Africa in the Q/A is something to think about.

[@dcb774]

Wow Wow Wow This is powerful stuff. I am encouraged after hearing this. The careening chaos of our society is a part of history, that is His story

[@bigmil1]

Wish the audio was better

[@kennyblobbin]

Just lovely. 🙏🏼

[@tonyharding4794]

I think i am getting Paul's role in the tubes.

[@noahtrask7369]

Heart and mind expanding . I not longer feel that I have to leave my brain/intellect at the door !

[@faithburns8379]

The churches I’ve been to in the past few years don’t even sing the Hymns on Easter anymore. No old rugged Cross. None of it. Somethings wrong with that.

[@chamomile8591]

Paul’s beard making him look like an Orthodox Bishop without the vestments

[@kathryn5941]

Been dying for this 😄

[@sarawoods1450]

Excellent!

[@suburbangothic_sublimedivine]

This is brilliant guys.

[@zgobermn6895]

This should be very interesting!

[@threelilies9453]

America needs your prayers. Please. 🙏

[@geoffreynhill2833]

Perhaps the Nazarene's unique genius was that he understood just how difficult it is for humans to be good. 🤔(Green Fire UK) 🌈🦉

[@KillerKabel]

I wonder if the meaning crisis could be framed as lack of a strong enough pull? Everybody is motivated by pain and fear, and some kind of devil at their back with a whip. But can we find something that pulls us as well? Certainly the most successful people have pulls like that, be it Musk's dream of Mars or an artist's worship of Beauty. People in the meaning crisis have nothing pulling them, so they live their lives just running from pain, instead of running towards any particular thing. Maybe Christianity or religion can be that pull? Maybe some other framework? The good, the true and the beautiful?

[@mistymoor7114]

With the question of the "problem" of too many people speaking English comes to me a thought I have been having about The Tower of Babel. Human beings got too " clever" ie too big for their own boots and God's solution was to strike them with different languages to prevent this. In some ways it seems to me the huge ability for communication to millions across the world, 1, through the English language and 2, through technology and the internet can be a force for both good and evil but at the moment is helping to facilitate many destructive and anti human schemes of the elite.

[@thespiritofhegel3487]

And when the Pharisee saw it, he marvelled that he had not first washed before dinner. And the Lord said unto him, Now do ye Pharisees make clean the outside of the cup and the platter; but your inward part is full of ravening and wickedness. Ye fools, did not he that made that which is without make that which is within also? - Luke 11: 38 - 40.

[@ObiBeardKenobi]

Tom’s a better preacher then most I’ve ever heard. Someone lay hands on him and give him a parish 😂.

[@osks]

The question whether Christianity is actually true or not, is not ‘just another matter’ (sic) as you suggest Tom… it is THE matter!

[@melissabrotton7863]

Could these valid complaints by Tom Holland regarding the missed opportunity of the church during the pandemic be evidence for the Laodicean prophecy by Jesus in Revelation 3:14-18? Is the church about to awaken? I only recently discovered Glen Scrivener's videos and praise God for his sharp, clear-headed approach and ability to cut through to the heart of the matter in his interviews. He has a rich gift from God. As well, I saw Tom Holland first in an interview with Glen Scrivener. I am amazed by his story and what he continues to learn. Having been a Christian since childhood, I find my heart stirred by Tom's story to commit more deeply to Christ in order to not miss opportunities for reaching out to those with such deep heart questions as Tom has.

[@daneumurianpiano7822]

Don Richardson, _Eternity in Their Hearts_: Award winning bestseller.

[@newdawnrising8110]

The Eastern Orthodox Church is on a totally different level then the other churches. If you have not found your spiritual home then the Church established by Christ through the disciples may be surprisingly very illuminating. I am amazed by what I have found in the Orthodox Church. It is The Way and still creating Saints till this day.

[@VRCLabs]

@paulvanderklay is Da Man!

[@chdao]

Every movie created by Hollywood and all the comic book TV shows/movies are basically the rehash of the Christian world view. These are the making the story weirder and more interesting for the contemporary society.

[@berglen100]

One of my favorite verse. to the natural man, Ecclesiastes 3:15: “That which is, already has been; that which is to be, already has been; and God seeks what has been driven away.” The “natural man” cannot grasp that, for to him reality is based only on the evidence of the senses. The man of reason could justify the verse’s end, saying if it has any meaning then the writer must mean recurrence. The sun comes every day and the moon completes its cycle and the seasons come and go. If we took a picture of the universe today, the scientists can compute how long it will take to return to this point in the picture. So the intellectual man could justify the verse; but that is not what is meant, for it is addressed not to the man of reason or the man of sense, but to the man of Imagination. What is it all about? “That which is, already has been; that which is to be, already has been, and God seeks what has been driven away.”

[@dorothyparr5416]

Paul Vander Klay has a wonderful laugh.

[@johncarroll772]

Just watched Cosmic Skeptic on Jordan Peterson, it's very good.

[@azbymusic]

PvdK at his very best, awesome evening!

[@thetruthaboutscienceandgod6921]

Please share with other people my two brief videos. Thanks!

[@hglundahl]

28:43 How much has germ theory really mattered for good health?

[@emmereffing]

1:08:02 yes, it's called the gospel.

[@Williamsdshs11]

lol perfect

[@rorygibson8672]

I love the man but Paul, you have a microphone, no need to shout, it detracts from the message at times. Tom Holland, a class act act ever.

[@MB-sb5vh]

Refined and reformed church......

[@LifeAfter62]

It would be interesting to see a intellectual with a Pentecostal experience. It seems like they all leave out the greatest movement in the last century.

[@PC-vg8vn]

'Christian conversion is full of weirdness' - isnt that the truth. My story too, though Im not a calvinist.

[@user-lx1jz2po3m]

I follow this man with great interest. In fact I have bought 3 books from him. However, I must say that sometimes he does not recognize the huge achievements of the Catholic Church compared with Protestants. Obviously, I am catholic.

[@LunarSongbird]

What happened to Kristi Mair?

[@SpeakLifeMedia]

The video of her session is coming soon!

[@jimjimmy680]

So good, so few views

[@jounisuninen]

These are those times ... In his posthumously-published Observations Upon the Prophecies of Daniel, and the Apocalypse of St. John, Isaac Newton expressed his belief that Bible prophecy would not be understood "until the time of the end", and that even then "none of the wicked shall understand". - Indeed there's so many wicked but less of the followers of Lord Jesus.

[@bankiey]

1:05:52 what does he say? Something the something but never putting on Shakespeare?

[@SpeakLifeMedia]

Hiring out the Globe Theatre and never putting on Shakespeare. The Globe Theatre in London was reconstructed to be just as it was in Shakespeare’s day.

[@bankiey]

@@SpeakLifeMediaI’d have never known even if I did hear it correctly, thanks for that.

[@egoistorms]

EMIL BOCK - RHYTHM OF THE CHRISTIAN YEAR 💯

[@vixendixon6943]

I am not a creature of the inheritance of Christanity in this or any other country but I have benefited immensely from what Christian faith managed to bring into our day to day lives, most importantly into our relationships with others. But I still see Christianity and all other religions as a result of the sociological and psychological evolution of our species.

[@geoffstemen3652]

Does that make it more true, or less true?

[@vixendixon6943]

@@geoffstemen3652 Evolution makes it true and real for me.. bottom up.. I am trying to figure out if we would have ended up where we are without a God concept in the beginning keeping people in line and giving them hope of an afterlife. What came first?

[@geoffstemen3652]

@@vixendixon6943 What indeed.

[@Hbmd3E]

sounds though, at least e.g on this point 14:44

[@vixendixon6943]

If atheism is the natural end product of Christianity then it is natural that when you get to the end of your journey, you do turn around and assess your progress to justify where you ended up, then maybe you recognise your missteps and diversions and start walking back armed with all that information since there is no forward journey left… “It is only logical”..

[@johnnytass2111]

What if this notion that atheism is the "natural product" of Christianity is misguided, in that obviously Christianity is not about moving towards atheism, but that Christianity is the completion of Divine Revelation ("It is finished/accomplished.") in the greatest story ever told because it is the Word of God of the Truth that redeems the world...so to deny it leaves one with nothing to believe in (Atheism)?

[@ButterBobBriggs]

Given what Tom said later in the video, perhaps Atheism is the end product of a particular branch of Christianity, Protestantism. The centuries of stripping away of every tradition eventually leads to church that is empty.

[@vixendixon6943]

@@ButterBobBriggs Hi Bob. That is literally and technically true as Peterson would say. I am constantly amazed at Protestant attitude towards Christanity, stripping away traditions and bringing new interpretations to the Holy text until it fits to their understanding or needs. At this point I do feel conflicted about the need for change vs holding on to traditions as they were. From day one differing interpretations were on display, it is inescapable, inevitable. Do you think Protestants protested too much, too long?

[@vixendixon6943]

@@johnnytass2111 Thank you for your reply. I started my comment with an "IF", even if I agree that Atheism is a natural end for Christians, then it leaves out all other nonbelievers/Atheists that belong to other religions/belief systems. Regardless of the influence of Western Christian Civilization globally, there was always going to be aetheists who resist to their particular established religions. For me, personally, the differences within the Christianity as well as the unending variation of similar beliefs in the world only points out to a psychological and social evolution of the Humankind.. My place within the confides of my bodily manifestation in time and space, my interactions with my fellow humans to coexist compete cooperate is a very brief existence to figure it all out, but I am eternally grateful for Christians bringing us to this point that I can express myself freely.

[@ButterBobBriggs]

@@vixendixon6943 It has been at the core of the project to strip away customs one by one or wholesale from the beginning. When you read the Church Fathers it was the opposite. They wanted to preserve the tradition handed down from generations. Eventually they end up stripping down everything into nothing more than a mental belief. The walls are bare, the yearly calendar is gone, the saints are forgotten, the history is not celebrated and the Christian nation is just another thing in a world of things.

[@kristinechristlieb1383]

Oh my goodness, a 12-minute intro!!!! What on earth were you thinking?

[@SanjuroSan]

Christian sleep walking. Great way of putting it.

[@ChadTheAlcoholic]

36:44 reinformation

[@aukefeitsma2143]

Paul is like st Paul, he is the best.

[@alwyndsilva1858]

Estuary feels more like AA for lay ppl

[@ready1fire1aim1]

Wish more people would read what the early followers of Christ had to say. Nag Hammadi scriptures is a free App on your phone. While I'm tossing out wishes, I wish everyone would acknowledge that apologetics is lies. There are no white lies. There are no contradictions, if you find one Check Your Premise. Why does the Masoretic text have so many contradictions? Why does the Samaritan text have almost none?

[@digglerdsrecordings9680]

Ok, I'll take that as encouragement to read those texts.

[@abbassheidari5506]

Compelling?!?

[@janeproctor5542]

We are taught that every question can be answered, and its just one more proof that God is dead or why do we or would we rely or need to depend on some stories that belie our factual way ( and means) of being the answer to or even better, the answerers of these great questions that need to be answered and make us feel so needed and validated for answering them, well certain of them, the "important" ones, anyway. But we are still at the mercy of the dread of absolutely not knowing, and a worse dread even, that we may even be far off the track of knowing or getting to the "right" answer, and then what? The damage is done but it was never suposed to happen and shouldn't have happened and we start to misbehave and act like raving maniacs, perverting our knowledge and reason out of all proportion as though a newly branded political philosophy or ideology is going to be the vaunted answer to our salvation. How and when are we going to admit there is something a little skewed with this picture if we don't know yet, and keep expecting the same people with the mindset of those who create deadly viruses as well as a storm of self serving, bogus answers as a means to explain why the whole evil mess happened, to begin with. And its on to yet another oncoming or near public disaster along with yet another so-called narrative to bolster the fiction we seem to be addicted to as the final answer to the way, the truth and the light, not factoring In our obvious and increasing lack of moral compass or compassion for its lack. Those seem a luxury we took for granted and can no longer afford, currently relegated to the stock in trade of the virtue signaling missionaries and monks of the Woke approach to salvation.

[@Stupidityindex]

Any god outside of fiction is an absurdity the illiterate observes. Those with one foot in fantasyland authorize themselves to weigh-in on whatnot as if Earth had gravity-free zones & magic. The religious don't have ears to hear, the books of God are filled with faith & prayers: Nothing fails like prayers in a children's hospital, the religious are only into convincing themselves. Rabbi Podium Jockey should not take himself so seriously, nobody should. The religious have no quality-controls. God knows, god helps those helping themselves is a saying because gods have a perfect record of nothing doing outside of fiction. One might expect a deity to make itself known to everyone without work performed in interpretations of old literature by guys like our verbose podium jockey. Who in their right mind promotes travel as if best done with one foot in fantasyland vocabulary. Freud wrote the antidote to Christianity is literacy. Nothing fails like prayer in a children's hospital, and these wolves in sheep's clothing advocate prayer & faith verbiage. Even Jesus Christ said faith was worthless if you can't move mountains by issuing voice commands. What is moral or ethical about suggestions of travel with one foot in some religious fantasyland? A house divided cannot stand. We vote because Christians have no quality-controls, & we desire those governing not making suggestions travel is best done with one foot in someone's fantasyland. 'Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities.'' Come, let us worship Jesus. Let us all forget it was secular law & order ending the inquisitions & witch-killings. Let us forget we have a saying: God helps those helping themselves, because gods have a perfect record of doing nothing. Let us ignore nothing fails like prayer in a children's hospital. Let us ignore a wicked generation seeks signs. Theologians grant the titles to each other without a deity certification. A deity unable to be acknowledged by everyone is a forgery based on literature. Oppression builds character among the dominated. Who do you think nailed the king of the Jews, when Imperial Rome controlled temples & publications? Just for the fun of it, have their Messiah say render to Caesar? My sheep hear my voice. Think not I come with peace, but sword. The literate of the age; built religions & made propaganda, devalued the currency, too. Marvel not I say you are all gods, and so on & so on. Faith is a fantasyland term, & the Christians hate to hear it. If faith had any value, then you could move mountains by voice-command. We know there is no god outside of fiction. Freud wrote the antidote to Christianity is literacy. The Christians slapped their books on the Old Testament, & the Mormons glued theirs on to them both, thus proving Christians lack quality-control. Think not I come with peace, but sword. I come to divide this that and the other thing, & I give you tax exempt status. "Furthermore, whenever any person or group of persons in a position of great power, and without the full knowledge and consent of the public, uses such knowledge and methodology for economic conquest -- it must be understood that a state of domestic warfare exists between said person or group of persons and the public."

[@hglundahl]

48:15 _sorry_ All the things the Enlightenment gave us? Franklin during the Enlightenment was not giving us much electricity, if anything, he was helping to protect us from certain overcharges of it, and Pascal, do you really call Grand Siècle Enlightenment? Much as I appreciate busses and wheelbarrows, I refuse to thank Voltaire for them!

[@ezequielfelipe9054]

Christianity is too good to be false

[@patriciacole8773]

Remember the fourth commandment KJV that Jesus created and kept. Even for forty days after His resurrection.

[@MortenBendiksen]

The morals and ethics becomes the anti Christ when it looses it's root. The surface level seems reminiscent of the thing, but it's not. The core of Christianity is people relaxing, enjoying, experiencing Life, knowing the connection and working for one's neighbour, IS the reward of life, in itself, and not something to be done because it's THE MORALS. Our joy in that IS God, whether one realises or not. Without a receptive stance towards Life, it's not really life, all the welfare and tech, and conveniences become worth nothing, and our soul still toils without halt towards something which can't hold our desires, and that becomes a trap for many.

[@markl8679]

Isn’t he the owner of Vanderlay Industries? Something to do with textiles? LMAO!!!

[@Exodus26.13Pi]

Wait till they discover that Hebrew Cosmology is true.

[@faturechi]

Tom thinks the Christian story is the most popular... Not recognizing that the Jewish story is the kernel of the Christian AND Muslim story.

[@namescornelius]

@@faturechi ​ I don’t think that’s fair or accurate to Holland’s views, even as stated in this video. For example, listen at around timestamps 17:11 and 40:50.

[@HearGodsWord]

Wait and then what?

[@jounisuninen]

"Wait till they discover that Hebrew Cosmology is true." - Biblical Cosmology is definitely true. Bible describes these matters rather broadly. It's man's task to search for the details. To get to the atheistic version for the birth of universe we'd have to change the laws of physics. God couldn't change the laws of physics He created? Of course He could, but doing so wouldn't be logical. Instead, logical is that He created the laws of physics while He was creating the universe. One of the issues that concern many people, who wish to adopt young-earth creationism as a valid view of earth history, is the question of how stars can be seen many millions of light years away if only a few thousand years have passed since they were created. Dr. Russell Humphreys, a previous researcher at ICR, spent years working on this problem and has developed a creationist cosmology that seems to resolve this question. A New Creationist Cosmology: In No Time at All Part 1 | The Institute for Creation Research (www.icr.org/article/new-creationist-cosmology-no-time-at) We’ve long known that the Space contains timeless zones like e.g. the event horizon around black holes. We also know that the distribution of mass (stars, planets etc.) controls the fabric of space, the fabric of space controls the speed of light, and the speed of light controls time. Time is sped up or slowed down throughout space according to the distribution of mass in space. According to the creationist theory the construction of the Universe started within a Creator-made expanding black hole on the 4th day of creation of the Earth. That explains why time stopped inside the black hole while stars and planets were created. The Creator masters everything He creates, so the black hole started contracting in the speed of light after the galaxies were created. So in the end the stars became visible on earth suddenly. When the sphere of timelessness reached zero radius and disappeared, the earth emerged, and immediately the light that had been following the contracting sphere reached earth, even the light that had started billions of light years away. The stretching of the fabric of space had been occurring continuously all along the light trajectory, thus red-shifting the light wavelengths. On earth, it was still the fourth day. An observer on the night side of the earth would have seen a black sky one instant, and a sky filled with stars the next.

[@HansAniba]

Seriously?

[@HearGodsWord]

Yes, seriously.

[@nsp74]

holland is right

[@drewdemarest9904]

The British pastor desperately wants Tom Holland to convert. “How do you feel about that??” 🙄🙄🙄