Christina Aguilera Justin Timberlake TRUSS COLLAPSE!

[@DJFlyy]

just for people to know... The reason this collapsed is because the venue changed their rigging system and did not inform the touring crew. The crew was not aware of the changes from when the original Rider was signed, and therefore was unaware that there was any alteration. THE VENUE is responsible for this.

[@bandit012339]

there really is. I'm a rigger and i own my own AV Production company and you would not believe the stuff I've seen... I've turned trucks full of gear around because the promoters skimped somewhere they shouldn't have and i refused to have an unsafe show. simple as that. NEVER compromise safety for ANYTHING. especially with a Flying rig...

[@kirkmancometh]

This is exactly why Van Halen had the brown m&ms clause.

[@geoffreyreinke3963]

In the stage production industry, we deal with what is called UDL, or Uniform distributed Load. This is especially important when rigging aluminum Truss structures. when the structural engineer deems it necessary to rig a system at twelve points to the cieling(the guy who checks out the sound/light rig pre tour), it is to break up the load among twelve spots to a ceiling that likely could do it in six. It's because the fly points on the aluminum tour truss are only rated to take a certain amount of weight.

[@rebel1211888]

Nah the mother grid here didn't allow for two ton points. They decided to bridle two ton points out to ten one ton points on the mother grid and the UDL on the center motor was way higher than the two one ton points could handle. One point failed taking the other 4 with it then the mother grid failed as a result.

[@rebel1211888]

It didn't fail because they only hung 6 points. It failed because they bridled 5- 2 ton motors to ten 1 ton points on the mother grid. Had the chief rigger bridled from the bottom of the led wall truss it would have stayed up. I spoke with one of the lead investigators and a world renowned rigging expert today about the rig. If you're going to bother editing a video at least get your information right.

[@jaydonantoine488]

av5498 English plz.

[@Rascal157]

"I spoke with one of the lead investigators and a world renowned rigging expert today about the rig." If this comment is legit, it is absolute most legit comment I've ever seen lmao.

[@layneivy2615]

I spoke with the production manager about this the other day. I was rigged properly but the rigging tech was short cycling the lift motor and started a wave of asymmetrical oscillations that caused a single point in the truss to fail that lead to stress on the adjacent one and the chain continued. The tech actually rode the piece on the back down (you can see it in the pic) as it came loose. It was amazing he didn't fall.

[@jakehall3337]

@@layneivy2615 I call bullshit on that

[@donniemcfarland3160]

Are any of the people making comments on this Riggers?

[@fantasticsound2085]

@hollyturn - my understanding was they were on meal break and were a few minutes away from returning to roll the stage underneath the light/sound grid. That would've put approx. 70 people directly in the path of destruction had it taken a bit longer to break loose.

[@Morbidentree]

All those lights....ruined. That must have been a sad day for all techs.

[@bobjones3459]

I'm sure it was vary sad cleanup was probably sadder as from what I can see the dmx and power already tied in and there is hundreds of wires tangled in that mess

[@jackc6378]

LEGIT ME LOL! all the moving heads ;(

[@Timetofly8888]

Fuck no, they got to pub early n still got a full day rate!

[@notmaddax]

luckily the line arrays are fine thank god but the light mannn

[@chris76-01]

I'm sure some of them were still ok. Insurance will pay for the rest😄

[@RandRdriver]

Yes, We scrambled and got new equipment. The video wasn't the same but the tour finished.

[@chameleontreefrog]

Someone got fired that day..

[@randycone77]

Yes, as a union represented stage hand who has twice taken arena rigging training (103’ above a concrete floor, pulling a chain hook and point gear to rig), I feel very safe. However that does not mean I am not careful and aware of my surroundings when at work. Being alert is a useful skill to cultivate. I am also fortunate to work in environments that have some of the best trained/experienced riggers in the world. In a “right-to-work” state I would be more cautious than I already am.

[@jabberwalkie2469]

hey! a housing grid does alot of stuff. in large venues it can fly in and be a sub roof of a stadium. i.e a roof of a stage,a sound array,a place to hang 60'chain motors instead of 300' but in this case it was used to make more rigging point options. it stays with the house or venue. the touring rig is built for the traveling show and dosen't change much.. it's built for arenas that have a bizillion points to pick from. i hope this helped..

[@elextrixtechnixtree]

not to mention costs incurred from the backline equipment damage on the stage, electrical line sets and cable snake damage

[@jetvette66]

I like to eat "diner" at a dinner.

[@emmalee84]

That must've been one hell of a clean up! Glad no one was killed!

[@bandit012339]

im with you there. There is a motto in our industry (rigging i mean) what goes up must NEVER come down. no questions asked. should have said were doing it right or were not doing it at all. simple as that

[@timardner5277]

The openings on either side of the stage are where part of the 33,114 pipe organ is located. The two chambers on the sides of the stage are the parts of the organ currently functioning. When this video was made, the organ was completely silent. Now they are showing virtual recitals to the pandemic, which you should look up if you are reading this comment. Search boardwalk hall organ and you will hear this amazing instrument, which is the largest organ in the world!

[@DJFlyy]

@kunkle187 @kunkle187 I'll answer you to the best of my knowledge on the situation. What happened was that the production designer didn't want rigging points to get in the way of the set. After some arguing, the riggers followed instruction (against their better judgment) and rigged with less points than they should. As a result, the strength/load balance of the ceiling was compromised, and the beams broke. This led the rig points to slip, and the truss to collapse underneath.

[@Bunkerdwarfputin]

I know this comment is twelve years old...😜 Just needed to say that if the riggers followed instructions from a production designer against THEIR better judgment, they are to blame. The house riggers always have the final say when it comes to safety issues and every venue is a one off... ... Oh, and if that production designer ain't intelligent enough to adapt his/her designs to the points, that designer should also be fired. 👍

[@StooPedassol]

why would you only use 6 points on a rig that size anyway? i've used more on less.

[@Avegas77]

This happened at a radio head show that I was working as a stagehand. It was ego that brought that rigg down, the touring manager disobeyed the local head riggers warnings and hung all the lights resulting in the death of the drum tech... lucking all us stage hands were off the stage at that time or it would of been really bad

[@philliphyland2031]

Funny thing about this they just left Philly you did a concert in Philly in it was funny because believe it or not I gave one of the show hands a pin that goes to one of the trusses he just threw it away when I saw this on the news I was like I hope he didn't forget about that

[@TheRiggertrey]

There was also an issue with in correctly bolts in the mother grid. I was with Branaham and that was our rig. oops

[@cinicafitzgerald7051]

I need a link to the song 😂😂😂

[@FLIPP0P0TAMUS]

@DJFlyy still, its horrendous to think about this happening. I check all my rigging calculations 4 times before i tell people to start flying anything.

[@wpalmerj]

@icanfuckyouup At the time, I was working in the lighting shop that received the damaged truss and lamps. We pulled the twisted metal off of several semis, salvaged the lamps for parts, and threw the truss away. A few of the lamps still worked, but most were salvaged.

[@lovestruckparadiso3466]

All y'all are such stage nerds, that's why I stick to audio, running snakes won't kill me.

[@carlmaletic2307]

I can see, only from the photos posted, that the workers were about to install the bottom chord on one end; that carries 25% of the shear loads . . . and the dead load of the truss itself caught up with them. My sole opinion. Any others?

[@alxndrHD]

That must have been some heavy stuff... luckily some of line arrays are still up there. Anyone know what line arrays, subs and stuff they lost? Must have been hella expensive =/

[@Stevienickssss]

I read that these pictures are from Fleetwood Mac Concert - Down Under

[@torr8d]

yeah i can see now those are like mac 2000 and studio colors but the wash ones not spots and the speakers jbl vertec

[@mycomment2c]

LOL at comment below I'm guessing that the backround music of this video is to honor the video tech who REPEATEDLY bumped his rig right before the collapse because he was annoyed with whomever was calling trim! Any seasoned rigger knows that there is typically more than one reason that a rig fails. DO not forget the dynamic loading.

[@farcryfanatic362]

Video: do you feel safe at concerts Me after what happened in Las Vegas: that one didn't age well...

[@torr8d]

can any body tell me what kind of lights they were using also does any one know what kind of speakers they were

[@whathobbythisweek]

The lights used on this rooftop can vary. I saw High End Systems-Studio Color 575s and Mac 2000's. I know from working this same rooftop in New Hampshire the week before the collapse. Mountain Productions used a lot of High End System lights. The line array looks to me like Showco's line array. They really have a deep swoop on them when they're flown and all the backing straps are tight. Showco builds their own systems so it's difficult to find these rigs unless they're twenty years old.

[@slcaust]

My understanding of this, is that the house grid failed, not the tour rig, all points were within the rating of the house grid, so either the engineer that rated the house grid was wrong, or something just died of old age or prior overload stress. There were a few people on stage when it fell, but it came down relativly slowly so they all got out in time, if the concert was going, or a sound check, they may not have heard it. most of it was powered, but its all earthed & not much stuff to burn!

[@NghtHwkk]

This music is the cherry on top.

[@johnpatterson4272]

Great song and very fitting.

[@jeannettesmith9852]

basically peeps the event organisers have to make sure that the event plans are submitted and approved by VOC or JOC prior to the event and weight bearing loads would have had to have been discussed and engineers validation signed off. Price normally is the fault and too many people trying to cut corners to save a buck. These days the client and the suppliers are equally liable for prosecution in the event of damage and or H&S transgressions that lead to injury on site. thank heavens that this didn't come down on the audience - people would be sitting in jail for culpable homicide or manslaughter - hopefully lessons are learnt and the client came away knowing a hell of a lot more about who to use and who not to. Safe eventing out there peeps

[@jabberwalkie2469]

i can't say.. it wouldn't be right to cast any blame.(i.e.)too many cooks in the kitchen? but if you look close the house grid was two sections the add on in the front was lighter duty. the main fault was in the mid-stage connection of the two grids. not a place to hang points.

[@judakomarow4985]

that local will be getting a hefty overtime

[@alebo5]

OMG, Look at all those Intellengent Lights Millions of Dollars gone there!

[@stagesixx]

Was the concert cancelled?

[@Stevienickssss]

i was wondering because i saw these pictures somewhere else on the web and said Fleetwood Mac

[@hyropath]

Must've been a Showtech build.

[@Boothby171]

It was NOT a Showtech piece. It was also determined NOT to be the fault of the fabricator.

[@jabberwalkie2469]

i'm not saying who is wrong.. i just put the question out there did the boys and girls speak up and and question the plot? or did management say work or go home? as far as i'm conserened there should be a safety boss NOT connected to the show or the venue. and what he says GOES!

[@nurulsruslan]

what happen to the concert?

[@tesroz]

Whos concert was that?

[@Dillyellow]

The speakers are Line arrays!!!! Probs Peavey's Versarays!!!!! And I can see a few Mac 500's I think!!!!

[@raidereddie]

Always get a seat far enough back so you're not under this stuff. Usually sounds better back a ways too.

[@Rvalivesound]

No doubt! Who cares if "the venue changed their rigging;" if you run a rigging business and your work collapses, it is your fault. Case closed. My live sound company is growing and I can see that flying my rig is an inevitable part of my future. I always keep safety as a first priority and would rather lose money than ever risk injuring someone with a falling truss, array or other hardware. Concerts are about having a memorable experience, not about being injured or killed by falling debris!

[@AWAWAWAWAWAWAWAWAWAWAWAWAWAWA]

The music playing is annoying and stupid.

[@VarietyShop]

Oh dear barbra. Dude, you can guarantee someone got fired from that mishap. That setup looked so expensive!

[@Blackopcodered]

A few more rigging points arent that expensive against this accident

[@jabberwalkie2469]

now you know why i'm sitting at my computer...

[@andrewarthurmatthews6685]

Sorry but did you mean ‘ dinner ‘ ?

[@tesroz]

in which year?

[@brandontan4876]

Here in Aus you'd have to face worksafe, court, fines, no other chance of getting work in production and so much more. seriously, leave it to the pros/ those who do this for a living and who know what they are doing

[@jeannettesmith9852]

and here in SA too - the pro's who have been in the industry for most of their lives know what they are doing however come at a price and out of budget . Clients need to understand and mitigate risk by employing professionals rather than being enticed by juniors who will accept less and increase the risk to client substantially ... lets make our clients more aware before its too late

[@indierockgrrrl6593]

that goofy ahh song tho

[@elleguinto3465]

The light engineer must be sad like me 😢 these events happened to me alrdy like i put 50+ moving heads and fresnels and the truss collapsed coz it was too heavy

[@charlotteice5704]

Then you shouldn't be hanging anything on truss tbh.

[@elleguinto3465]

@@charlotteice5704 i can’t believe that was 3 years ago i was joking around

[@charlotteice5704]

@@elleguinto3465 sorry, I didn't get that.

[@jabberwalkie2469]

Remembering back (swerrilyvision) to a discussion between a rigger friend and myself.. to change his mind i winched him 4 inches off the stage with a motor and locked out the power.

[@DJNightRaver0]

NOOOO the poor moving heads and line arrays..............there goes 100k

[@joemarks950]

probably more like 4/5 times that.

[@brandosadventure]

Someone tell me who the crew company was so I know never to hire them

[@kholyman]

الحمد لله الذى عافانا مما ابتلى به الناس وفضلنا على كثير من خلقة .. Any way Hope the guys and all pepole is ok Sorry for the moving heads :(

[@MightyArtistM]

aw! first time to see this... Good thing they we're hungry and went out for dinner that time! Xtina and Justin are still alive

[@JamieJobb]

Er, ah ... What is the "name" on the venue? Trust is a terrible thing to waste ...

[@jamesnfld]

250k in lighting. At least 300k for the line array.

[@MrJu1980]

Everyone left for "diner"? Do you mean dinn...... oh wait, I hear the theme music now.

[@jakemccray2128]

Fuck thats what happens when you take short cuts. If the gear aint there dont rig the shit. Regardless of whom is in charge. you dont want to be responsible for someones death. Ive walked away from jobs coz they dont bring enuf gear to rig and want to save money by taking short cuts

[@GrimOxford]

Report it to OSHA next time especially if the production will be there for more then a day. OSHA is required to get there to investigate within 24 hours. Anything that feels or looks life threatening is a good cause to call them.

[@Smo1k]

At 30 seconds, the picture tells you what happened. Too few / too far between points on house rig. Big W grin on truss cominnagetcha..! People on the venue should've been charged with criminal negligence, stuff like that means that it's pure luck nobody died.

[@FannyLerouxTime]

I wouldnt like to be the ones cleaning this up....

[@jjswimmer2014]

sooo no video or what...

[@Kaboom214]

Wow those poor lights and speakers =[

[@JiMMyN00DLE]

they actually tried to move the queen truss while shit was on it... which you shouldn't do.. the plan was to raise it 30cms higher, and yeah you know what happened next ..

[@SWATPhantom]

It did not collapsed, it's a new desing!

[@ZipSnipe]

One of air headed girlfriends got job setting up stages and I was like WTF? She don't know shit about that kinda of stuff. Lot of these companies hire anybody, my buddy's chick was a methhead and she was setting the Ultra festival down in Miami. SO yeah they need drug free workers when setting up heavy stuff over peoples heads.

[@nateeteetee5808]

Did anyone die

[@ifmlbfxbbb7227]

They weren't up probably

[@managerman13]

try explaining that to the insurance company...

[@jabberwalkie2469]

hi simon. with all the years of shaking chain and screeming at the top of my lungs i'm pretty sure the roof rats were heard that day...

[@fantasticsound2085]

@stagesixx The TOUR was cancelled.

[@Grey_Duck]

This sounds like a job for a load cell system.

[@rivtoolfan]

lmao better call Martin and ask about the warr. on there units

[@DJFlyy]

@icanfuckyouup Well, luckily the Line Arrays (speakers) are still okay. Most likely there was a video wall behind the stage, and that and the lighting was probably irreversibly damaged... Although probably not all of it since it appears that there are still truss segments flown. Just for an idea, a basic light that tours cost upwards of $7-11,000 a piece. And there are usually about 300 or so lighting fixtures per tour. Do the math on that, and be thankful for insurance.

[@jabberwalkie2469]

well you have read wrong my friend lol!! it was atlantic city n.j. where they sell the best hotdogs in the world!mmmmmmmmhotdoooogs.

[@jabberwalkie2469]

yup! it was a mess it took a while to sort through it? a very expensive fuk-up it was.considering a moving light cost $5000-$10.000... the basic power was on but the dimmers were off if they were on then it woulda went up in flames. i got alot more of that stuff but no time to edit it.lol

[@jerseydevil666fach]

@DJFlyy i would have told the production desinger this is how it flys !!!!!! YOU need to come up with a different design ... or i walk and bloods on your hands as a rigger your responsible,, house or production riggers end of your story RIGGERS WE ARE THE CHIEFS IN THE SKY !!!!!!! calcuate that

[@adrianbass5560]

Designer not desinger! (even my computer doesn't like writing it that way).

[@tedmac8049]

If at first you don't succeed, rigging's not for you.

[@jabberwalkie2469]

and everyone wanted to drive the forklift too...lol

[@urukhai138]

so here is a profession where can happen human mistakes, beeing tired, hungry, without sleep can cause you forget something, if i forget something in my work i can burn the stage or make the truss fall or throw my body against the floor or the musicians. There´s not guilty, just accidents. On construction or the army there´s much more accidents and dies and no one worries, why have we to be worried?

[@isaacu]

Thank goodness the GrandMA looks like it wasn't hurt LOL. Also, Monitor world looks ok.

[@KMHrock89]

I assume every person who put this set together was fired? I plan on owning my own production company later in life, and if I found out about that... heads would roll.

[@KMHrock89]

It's a production.

[@KMHrock89]

Yeah, I probably wouldn't "fire everyone." I do work with some professional guys, though, that whoever was responsible for this would not be staying on the tour (UNLESS it was equipment failure). For me, there would be a stern talking to whoever was in charge of that trussing. If it was not equipment failure, then somebody did not follow protocol, and in the business of concert production, you MUST follow protocol. Well, I guess anywhere really... But accidents do happen. Thankfully this wasn't during the show!

[@madrockradio]

KMHrock89 It was not the tour's fault. The official report blamed the venue staff.

[@GrimOxford]

This would be the riggers fault on most cases. A regular sound or lighting technician never will be the one hanging the truss. All they do is add the weight to the truss which is already calculated before any weight is added, hell even before the truss gets there. Either way what really sucks (seeing that no one got hurt) is how expensive all that gear was.

[@jeannettesmith9852]

@@KMHrock89 I would have asked for my money back

[@simon66]

this is what happens when you don't go by the rigging plot and think that the rigger was smart.....

[@bgtsam]

Can we say oops

[@hermanno4]

look the riggers who put this up we are responsible for thousands of gigs per year this is the only one i can remember that went wrong look up and remember the riggers motto RIG RIGHT OR DIE simple as

[@jabberwalkie2469]

thanks! it just kinda fit the video..

[@martin0mac2000]

ha fun lol i just hung onto our in house rig and lifted my self 1-2 feet of the ground :)

[@spaceace2012]

Must have been a big "Diner" to fit all those people in it at once for dinner!!

[@Phantomjudg3]

Arena steele gets changed out every 20 years.......looks like they can start now.

[@jabberwalkie2469]

i know what yer sayin. anything that can happen does...at the wrong time too. people ask me "why do you look at the bad side of everything?" and i say "sorry to piss in your cornflakes but somone has to look at the worst case senerio."

[@Pillowzchan]

Hey, Dad, next time make sure you check to see whose account you are posting in. >:(

[@willchastain6436]

I'm the one that hangs that stuff. I know what I'm doing, and would've taken no part in that disaster.