Christopher Hitchens Hitchslaps Silly Pastor - "Does god Exist?"

[@gamingbytetv665]

The burden of proof is on the theist to prove their claim that there is a God, not for atheists to disprove it. Simple as that. If I make a claim that I have a magic invisible dragon in my bathroom, I should be expected to provide evidence for it..not for others to prove that I don't.

[@mccainisthroughX]

GamingByteTv: Yup, simple math. Would you buy a car for $125,000 over the internet from a perfect stranger because they claimed it was definitely worth the outlay, or would you want proof first? The one making the claim, either proves their claim, or shuts up forever about the unproven claim. Happy New Year!

[@Bardineer]

The burden of proof is on anyone making any claim. In the rare occasion that the atheist _does_ claim that no deity exists (as is case with Aron Ra, for instance), yes, this also incurs a burden of proof.

[@notlisztening9821]

​@@BardineerI actually haven't heard Aron give sufficient arguments to convince me of his position. I think there is always some sort of valid counter-apologetic, so that you at least can't claim god to be an impossibility. Maybe some versions of god are logically inconsistent, but then again god is "outside of logic" anyway, so how would you make any kind of evaluation about it? I wish Matt would at some point further explain his anti-theism.

[@moralfortitude...2217]

No it's not...neither... It's an Individual/s choice to believe or not...periodt... Personal decision...

[@Bardineer]

@notlisztening9821 Matt states that he doesn’t _know_ that no deity of any kind exists, but he does _believe_ that none exists. That doesn't incur a burden of proof. However, Matt also _asserts_ that he does not have faith--that his beliefs are reasonable expectations based on evidence. The problem is by asserting that all of his beliefs are reasonable expectations based on evidence, the belief in the nonexistence of any deity is included in this; and for that particular belief to have an evidentiary basis would require the evaluation of evidence from beyond the _observable_ universe, which no one has or even _can_ have.

[@JD-pi2ce]

"Self evident to those who believe". 😂😂😂

[@JoeKnows44]

"I have a 17" penis." " No I won't show, you have to prove I don't. It's self-evident to me that I do." "Also there is a book that says I do."

[@shynickel8239]

To the fully delusional

[@Kagdar]

i.e. the placebo effect

[@panosshady6168]

@@AirstripOne-nd4du because it's obvious nonsense my man. Self-evident implies that there is something that does not need to be justified. "Any even number is divisible by 2", is self-evident. "All bachelors are single" is self-evident. "My personal Abrahamic God exists" does not fall in the category of self-evident truths. You don't need to already believe a self-evident truth to know it's self-evident once presented. If you have to believe that god exists in order for it to be self-evident, then it becomes a circular argument and it's closer to psychosis. For a schizophrenic who believes the CIA is following him, it becomes also self-evident to him that it's so.

[@FourDeuce01]

@@AirstripOne-nd4du That doesn’t mean god is self-evident to anybody.😈

[@billmarshall2536]

The world needs Christopher, and voices like his, now more than ever. He is dearly missed!

[@toAdmiller]

Missing Hitch is like believers saying the vacuous phrase, "Sending thoughts and prayers..." which in essence means, "I don't want to do any actual good, but I'm going to try to appear to be a good person by saying this..." Don't JUST miss Hitch...EMULATE him...!

[@MindRebelion]

Word!

[@normanthrelfall2646]

The world needs to embrace the loving words of Jesus for its healing! The teaching of Darwinian Evolutionary Religion has given license to lawlessness, like there is no one to answer to for moronic behaviour. It has given birth to countless criminal acts of drug dealing, theft, murder, fornication, adultery, contract killing etc. It has promoted suicide particularly among young people. Darwinian Evolutionary Religion promotes fear and distrust greed and selfishness among people. It promotes wars; this religion is a dangerous damnable heresy and has done more damage than any other religious belief in history. It will be responsible for Armageddon the last great world war which will warrant the return of our Lord Jesus Christ in order to stop man destroying himself through selfishness and greed. Hitler justified his war based upon the evolutionary concept “Survival of the Fittest” but he went down with all on board! China, Russia and North Korea live by the same destructive rules. There have been a number of atrocities committed since Darwin’s book came out in 1859. This belief system has shed much blood. The wicked live by faith in evolution, we shall see who is right! Richard Dawkins mocks the Ten Commandments and those who believe in them. David Attenborough also mocks God by his continual Mantras of millions of years in his nature programmes. Richard Dawkins, David Attenborough and others, plus the media who promote the belief in Darwinian Evolutionary Religion have blood on their hands, because what you believe determines how you behave! Jesus was clear: Men shall give an answer for every idle word spoken. This also includes those in church denominations who do not teach the purity of the gospel account. Jesus did not lie to us, but told us the whole truth and nothing but the truth. The gospel of Jesus Christ gives belly ache to those who love what God calls sin. There is always a place of repentance at the foot of the cross, where Father God manifested his love for the world, by taking his only begotten Son to Calvary to be crucified for the sins of the world in order to bring us back to God, thus he created an open door; back to Father’s heart, a place of acceptance. The just shall live by faith! Salvation has been designed by God upon the lines of faith! Oh the wisdom of God! Righteousness exalts a nation but sin is a reproach to any people!

[@mikerodgers7620]

@@toAdmiller Hitch is being tormented in Hell.

[@toAdmiller]

@@mikerodgers7620 Do you have any actual EVIDENCE of this, or are you just spouting your wishful thinking...?

[@winstonsmith8597]

"We're animals and we talk." 🤣 Even my cat said "Wtf did he just say? "

[@larryparis925]

😅👍

[@alexgravelle164]

Ironically proving him right 😂

[@davesawyer1164]

I want some of what he's smoking

[@ThermaL-ty7bw]

@@davesawyer1164 if you don't wet the end bit , here man , good stuff , good stuff

[@rosedoucet2188]

😂😂😂👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

[@reedglasson-doyle3879]

Christopher always had the advantage of being almost infinitely more knowledgeable about the religion in debate than his opponent(s), who had dedicated their lives to its teachings. An incredible mind, an incredible man.

[@HMMELD]

< infinitely more knowledgeable > And infinitely smarter

[@shanemac5366]

In a debate it is best to know both sides of the argument impeccably. You can tell that Christopher was a scholar and had studied all religions for a huge number of years.

[@G274Me]

That’s because most theist don’t actually know the Bible. They cherry pick through it. When you actually read it cover to cover, and comprehend it, it’s laughable

[@ClementGreen]

Yes we all miss him

[@Alan-71351]

Agreed. But from liberal to a Bill Buckley ass kisser. One of the most intelligent men ever. WTF.

[@Kenazzle]

"I think the person who denies the self-evident fact of god has the burden of proof." Aaaaand we're done.

[@differdog9354]

30 years ago the word selfie didn't exist. 100 years ago the word extrovert didn't exist. 500 years ago the word psychology didn't exist. They are all human constructs. 3000 years ago there was no understanding or mention of a single God. Is it not likely that God is also a human construct?

[@Argumemnon]

+Kenazzle It's hard to have a discussion with someone who rejects the very foundation of civilised thought.

[@PaulA-fp3vs]

+Kenazzle Yea if your the one telling me you saw a talking snake. It is my burden to explian my disbelief.

[@mchilds83]

This was a hilarious line.

[@samerdahhan]

Kenazzle It is self evident, without a doubt, that I am God. You must obey my word, pray to me, or risk going to hell.

[@Supermario0727]

1:22 Did he actually just say that the person who denies an argument has the burden of proof? I'm speechless . . .

[@skribe]

he used the ole " whoever smelt it dealt it" argument

[@pippipster7705]

+skribe throw them to the Lions ...

[@alasskaluna2446]

He also said "self-evident".. that, I thought, was equally stunning..!!!!!!! :D

[@ivek7773]

yep,if god created him,i dont even wanna know whats god like

[@viborgguys1]

then you could just say that god doesn't exist to a christian person. then he would have the burdon to proff otherwise. you can't proff 100% that god doesn't exist, but you can proff that alot of what is written in the bible is bs. the big bang and the theory of evolution is great counter arguments to the creation of the earth and the human race

[@Madman6505]

The reporter laid out of few hitch slaps of her own on the pastor 😂

[@BloodyBay]

That would be Joy Behar, who is normally a disgusting, fearmongering, "Progressive" harpy judging by her performances on 'The View'. And yet I can't help but agree with her here. Even a stopped clock is right twice a day, I suppose.

[@leanngugi]

Best reporter ever 😂

[@sampsonbrass8972]

I like this woman.

[@joeyblogsy]

She’s brilliant 😂

[@Digital_David]

She reminds me of Joy Behar.

[@alexspec1772]

The host is kicking the pastor`s ass with her questions. There`s not need for someone of Hitchens` caliber to destroy this guy.

[@dtz1000]

+Alex Spec She did a better job than Hitchens with her logical questions.

[@titansoftime]

+Alex Spec I was thinking the same thing. Swatting a fly with a a bazooka.

[@TheCompton1963]

Exactly.

[@TengYuan]

+Alex Spec I agree

[@yogimatt4106]

+Alex Spec I thought she did a really good job.

[@tampazeke4587]

You can never win an argument with an idiot, a drunk person or a person who bases their argument in religion.

[@2Uahoj]

Or with a bigot like a radical ideological atheist :-)

[@DSkehan2004]

The idiot lost. Hitchens kept losing whenever he was in that argument

[@ericscaillet2232]

Bars had a sign way back then above the bar- no religion,no politics - very wise indeed....for a bar

[@okstever]

They tend to be the same person often.

[@surfwriter8461]

I'm generally in agreement with you but don't want to be so harsh toward everyone who believes in some religious system. Some of them are open to genuine debate and are thoughtful in their position, even if I think they're wrong. Some of them even change their minds when confronted with the right kind of persuasive argument against their belief system. To link all religious believers with idiots and drunks is unfair and extremist.

[@ybor363]

Anchor: "It sounds like you're too intelligent to believe that literally..." Christian: "Nope, i'm an idiot."

[@mccainisthroughX]

LOL! Well put!

[@micu1544]

The only serious debates that popular atheists like Dawkins or Hitchens have against religion are with Christians. Christopher's own brother, a highly intelligent journalist like himself, happens to believe in God. It has nothing to do with how smart you are. And the quicker atheists admit this the better.

[@stikndip]

@@micu1544 And that's part of the problem. There's a doctor of geology who says that no matter how much evidence there is to show that the earth is indeed ancient, he believes in a young earth because the bible says it. So the bible, written by sand people, about a sky wizard supersedes his entire life's work and he's content with that.

[@micu1544]

@@stikndip and at the same time I've heard Richard Dawkins say that life on this earth could have come from an intelligent source, but it could never be God, he actually said it could have come from aliens who evolved by Darwinian processes. He has faith that there is definately no God. In fact, I don't even think Dawkins would say that. He would just say you can't prove it. Where's the proof of aliens?

[@davidmauro8947]

@@micu1544 oh hi me again... ill not get into it, but youve taken the subjects words out of context again. I mean. I could get into it... you're talking about the "interview" with ben stein, correct?

[@shawnlund]

“I would rather have questions that can't be answered than answers that can't be questioned.” ― Richard P. Feynman

[@jdos5643]

Then you’re agnostic-you don’t know…..if you don’t know then neither should anyone have to hear what you have to say because you don’t know as you just admitted…..

[@shawnlund]

@@jdos5643 what the fuck are you talking about dude?

[@tradehead]

www.fairlatterdaysaints.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/2007-Daniel-Peterson.pdf

[@lmechb3305]

Can’t they be atheist, not believe in a god, and have questions about everything else? Not knowing unanswered questions is at the heart of atheism. ‘God’ is not an accepted answer to all that remains unknown, or even now known but still disputed by theists.

[@ramdejin8426]

@@jdos5643admitting you don’t know something is better than pretending to know everything

[@NinthCinemaDown]

I'm actually impressed at how well this debate was moderated

[@tommytwotacos3503]

***** one underestimates the prowess of Joy Behar at their own peril.

[@redavis6581]

***** I as well.

[@davidwild66]

@@ThisIsTheMajor ...says random internet idiot who has never impressed anybody.

[@Heathen.Deity.]

Apart from the countless times she overlooked idiotic or vile things in the Bible. “You don’t spank children, that’s so not Christian” she says, overlooking the whole spare the rod, spoil the child and so on.

[@_Sloppyham]

She was shit, completely biased , and immature by saying things like “you don’t believe such silly things, do you?”. I’m an atheist and she was annoying the fuck out of me

[@JesseColton]

I love that ridiculous answer the preacher gives. "Do you believe snakes talk?" "We're animals and WE talk!" Well damn, who can argue with that logic?

[@MrGoatflakes]

All animals have 4 legs. My cat has 4 legs. My dog is an animal, therefore my dog is a cat.

[@JesseColton]

MrGoatflakes You are the new Darwin.

[@darkmatters9163]

MrGoatflakes That is fucking truly hilarious. Do you do stand-up, if so can you upload it?

[@mccainisthroughX]

MrGoatflakes Yes, it's the good old illogical syllogism from high school logic classes. All tables have four legs. My dog has four legs, therefore my dog is a table, and can be used to serve tea. religion, it's a form of mental weakness and mental illness. Be Well!

[@JesseColton]

***** My god, that means that since my car has four wheels, then according to evolution it must be a distant cousin of the dog! But where do cars live in the wild? I'll bet it was the meteorite that killed the dinosaurs!

[@ThomasRobbins1988]

The difference in intellect is breath taking

[@raysonraypay5885]

Science has barely scratch the surface of meta-physics. You’re putting too much faith in the unknowable

[@jdmac44]

He's just intelligent enough to be dangerous.

[@madMARTYNmarsh1981]

I don't think it is, the religious bloke is clearly intelligent it's just that he has filled his head with religion which is valuable to him, rather than something that is valuable to all of humanity.

[@georgedoyle7971]

@@raysonraypay5885 Well said!! It nothing more than naive realism, hubris and the (fallacy of misplaced concreteness). Mainstream physicalism assumes that we can reduce all mental contents to material arrangements. Idealism entails that mind is nature’s fundamental ontological ground, everything else being reducible to, or grounded in mind. Ironically mainstream physicalism posits that nature’s fundamental ontological ground is the theoretical abstraction of mind known as “matter” everything being reducible to, or grounded in, matter. Materialists and militant atheists presuppose that the abstraction known as “matter” contains an intelligibility and completeness that it can not logically and possibly possess as “matter” is clearly a theoretical abstraction of the qualitative subjective experience of reality and existence, that is mind and consciousness. Equally, the fact is that you can’t prove sense data using sense data. You can’t prove empiricism using empiricism as logic, empiricism, “truth” and values such as morals and ethics are metaphysical presuppositions that is transcendental categories that can not be justified or grounded in the materialistic paradigm as materialism/atheism excludes metaphysical realities. You can’t empirically prove that the external world is providing an accurate picture of reality and existence. Hence the famous essay by W Quine (The Two Dogmas of Empiricism). However, Cartesian doubt demonstrates that whilst we can doubt the external world we still have good reason to believe that mind and consciousness is reliable and exists and is primary because of the mere act of doubting. Obviously abstractions help us in a pragmatic sense but they can also provide us with a very effective epistemological noose hence this disturbing quote from the prominent public intellectual and atheist Nietzsche. “The extinction of many types of people is just as desirable as any form of reproduction” and that “the tendency must be towards the rendering extinct of the wretched, the deformed, the degenerate”. This quote from Nietzsche and his misplaced belief in the concreteness of the materialistic paradigm speaks for itself as it could come from any work on racial cleansing. The danger is that materialists/atheists mistake “matter” for concrete reality but this is clearly a (fallacy of misplaced concreteness). According to Plato complete knowledge of this world is impossible as it is always changing and never stable unlike the eternal forms. This is why Christians set their standard of truth in something that is both immanent and also transcends this world. The fact is that reality and existence is process and becoming including being not just substance. Hence metaphysical presuppositions such as identity over time etc So the fact is that skeptics need to be more sceptical about their scepticism because what we know is our best approximation of “truth”. Even if we came to what we assume is a “true” conclusion regarding the materialistic paradigm it might change as science can’t prove anything as it is provisional and can only infer. There’s nothing wrong with saying that we just “don’t know” that reality and existence is nothing more than “matter” as this is the pragmatic, scientific and least costly epistemically. So materialists/atheists need to be mindful and less confident that their political, philosophical and theological apponents are irrational and don’t contain a large degree of truth and moral insight. You may be looking at a rose as nothing more than a pile of atoms and those who experience reality as a process of becoming and being experience a rose as a unbelievably beautiful, fragrant symbol of life, hope and love. “Matter” outside mind is not an empirical observation but rather an explanatory model so the epistemic symmetry between the two is broken. Consequently, matter and mind cannot reside in the same level of abstraction. The conclusion becomes clear that attempting to explain mind in terms of “matter” (abstractions) is epistemically more costly than attempting to explain matter in terms of mind. The fact is that the qualities of existence and experience that is mind and consciousness are not only epistemically and ontologically primary but are the same. So the belief in the fundamental nature of mind and consciousness/theism is just a default position a (non belief) in materialism/atheism until materialists/atheists can demonstrate that “matter” is all there is to reality and existence not mind and consciousness. First principles such as mind and consciousness clearly co exist within experience and existence and thus have the greatest explanatory power and are the most parsimonious hypothesis. “Matter” is clearly a theoretical abstraction of mind not vice versa. Because these issues demonstrate the primacy of perceptual constructs over explanatory abstractions (matter) on both epistemic and ontic levels. The fact is that “you cannot go on ‘explaining away’ forever: you will find that you have explained explanation itself away. You cannot go on ‘seeing through’ things forever. The whole point of seeing through something is to see something through it. It is good that the window should be transparent, because the street or garden beyond it is opaque. How if you saw through the garden too? It is no use trying to ‘see through’ first principles. If you see through everything then everything is transparent. But a wholly transparent world is an invisible world. To ‘see through’ all things is the same as not to see.” (C.S.Lewis) ❤️

[@quantumrobin4627]

It’s like high school senior vs 60 year old philosopher/religious history connoisseur, the religious are intellectual, just a shallow version of what they could be, their minds are chained shut, content with imagining some archaic idea of a creator, fully constrained by the goofy, hodgepodge blatherings of ancient superstitious desert dwellers, yes I’m a dick, I’m sick of stupidity.

[@skygazer8711]

5:53 "I don't think it is self-evident you shouldn't murder or commit adultery" Words of a holy man ladies and gentlemen...

[@Redandranger]

When Ricky Gervais has a better answer than the dipsh8t that spent his life using the Bible to grift his followers, he doesn't have much intelligence going on up there. RG -- "How do I keep from raping and killing people if I'm an atheist? I rape and murder all the people I want to. Which is none."

[@Cujo5]

Speaks volumes, doesn't it?

[@user-fb2jb3gz1d]

If murder is self evident.....then why have a law against it, in just about ...hmmm, every country? Apparently people need to be reminded of it. You can't be that stupid to not see that......maybe you are

[@GoodHorse413]

Notice how he defines the belief that "snakes can talk, virgins can give birth, and dead men can walk" as self-evident, but "murder is wrong" is not.

[@darwinkilledgod]

In his defense, many people commit murder and adultery. In the past they did this fairly routinely. It certainly wasn't self-evident that slavery was wrong; everyone was doing that.

[@nandokgg]

First ever interviewer to question a christian as it should be interwieved, with a "do you really believe that literaly? Cmon"

[@jordanw6918]

I was actually surprised at some of her "atheistic" or skeptical comments. I would think she'd be completely on the religious side. I'm impressed.

[@nandokgg]

jordan w same

[@tankmaster1018]

+fernando martins I can't even BEGIN to express to you how impressed and how much I respected her as an interviewer after this... I mean she was a breath of fresh air man. I fucking love that she actually listened to both sides and as soon as Christopher started to have some good points, she asked completely anti-religious questions to the pastor. She was questioning the validity of the 10 Commandments and everything! I may honestly be in love!

[@nandokgg]

tankmaster1018 haha i get it, when she went "cmon, you dont really believe it, do you?" my jaw just dropped haha very common sensical, very reasonable

[@hackeritalics]

I love how flabbergasted the paster looked!

[@nevaladder]

The almost beautiful cicrularity of the pastor's argument. I'm dead. 😂

[@troybengger9751]

Your dead?

[@JumpToChorus]

I come back just hear that opening line of his 😂

[@jeffbaer5851]

The only argument Xtians (or Muslims or any theistic believers) HAVE is circular. "God exists!" "How do you know?" "Because it says so in this book!" "Why should I believe ANYTHING in that book?" "Because it was written by God!" You can't have a battle of intelligence with an unarmed opponent. I have no respect or any f*cks to give for a moron who buys that. Next....

[@saywhat303]

@@troybengger9751 His dead?

[@lukecarey613]

So is Chris.

[@bennyrodriguez8788]

That awkward silence after "we are animals and we talk".... 😂

[@rylandelap4734]

lmao seriously what point was he trying to make there?? I know he was trying to defend his belief in Noah's ark. Somehow us talking proves that? 😂

[@Ebiru2387]

Benny Rodriguez and his response to justify it was obsurd!

[@Zachd500]

The way the host said “yea...” 🤣

[@2014saints]

@@rylandelap4734 I think that was his argument for why snakes talk. Humans are animals. Humans talk. Snakes are also animals therefore snakes talk

[@benderisgreat5059]

@@2014saints so then he would have just flat out ignored the Noah’s ark thing. Now that’s a very christian thing to do.

[@FrankHeuvelman]

"I'm a Christian so I believe everything the Bible tells me to believe." No further questions, Your Honor.

[@mikhaelkarapetyan4040]

you believe everything the scientist tells you, what's your point??

[@johnmaisonneuve9057]

I have come to the understanding that all this Christian God talk is utter nonsense. It’s stupid. It’s a waste of time. One thing Christians need to do is leave the children alone. Inculcating this nonsense to children is children abuse, worthy of jail time.

[@FrankHeuvelman]

@@johnmaisonneuve9057 Americans aren't only wasting their time but are proud of it as well. It's going to be a hell of a long walk back from where they started!

[@johnmaisonneuve9057]

My reply is to state a well know fact, namely belief systems like Christianity are not only false and ludicrous but also very

[@johnmaisonneuve9057]

…harmful, esp. the youngsters who are prisoners of this nonsense and stupidity. Give it up and free yourself from this absurd and false nonsense. I pity the children who are harmed by adults like yourself. Do not harm children, please.

[@edwardruthazer1849]

Why is Hitchens rolling around in the mud with this knuckle-dragger. It is like a Nobel prize winning physicist arguing quantum mechanics with a 3 year old.

[@faithfulwarrior7]

-both of You only proving your Shoe size and IQ are correlative.

[@ivek7776]

well said dude

[@mccainisthroughX]

Einstein was a Non-believer and disliked religious Dogma greatly. Here are a couple of Albert's quotes on religious Kooks and their Dogma... "I received your letter of June 10th. I have never talked to a jesuit priest in my life and I am astonished by the audacity to tell such lies about me. From the viewpoint of a jesuit priest I am, of course, and have always been an Atheist. - Albert Einstein, letter to Guy H. Raner Jr, July 2, 1945, responding to a rumor that a jesuit priest had caused Einstein to convert from Atheism; quoted by Michael R. Gilmore in Skeptic, Vol. 5, No. 2 AND... "It seems to me that the idea of a personal god is an anthropological concept which I cannot take seriously. I also cannot imagine some will or goal outside the human sphere.... Science has been charged with undermining morality, but the charge is unjust. A man's ethical behavior should be based effectually on sympathy, education, and social ties and needs; no religious basis is necessary. Man would indeed be in a poor way if he had to be restrained by fear of punishment and hope of reward after death." - Albert Einstein, "Religion and Science," New York Times Magazine, November 9, 1930. Weak and poor animals depend on religious Kookery, nobody with a brain and backbone needs the repulsive hogwash. Be Well!

[@MegaFloyd100]

Actually i think you will find that historical facts defend him from your accusations of being a knuckle dragger. Christians founded most branches of modern science,so the pastor has more in common with them than Hitch does.Knuckle dragger's are pagans who believe in superstition & magic.Christians don't.

[@MegaFloyd100]

Thank you for your reply.I must agree with you on Trump,lol..Only time will tell if he is as big of an idiot as he looks.You could also be right about me being conned-I guess I put a lot of trust in books written by people I've never even met.I'm a bit confused about the religion vs science stuff though.From what little history that I've read,Christians pioneered disciplines ranging from oceanography to astronomy, geology to biology, rocket science to genetics. Any list of the giants of physical science would include Copernicus, Galileo, Kepler, Boyle, Pascal, Newton, Faraday, Maxwell, all of whom, despite denominational and doctrinal differences & some opposition from church authorities, were creationists & deeply committed to Jesus Christ.Both versions can't be true.Crazy huh?

[@Arena1999]

Give the woman a freakin' medal for being one of the few sensible hostesses/interviewers on TV.

[@mccainisthroughX]

Arena1999: Indeed. Be Well!

[@althomas5267]

Did someone say that Joy Behar was sensible? she's a lot of things but sensible is not one of them.

[@warshipsatin8764]

@@althomas5267 people think being an atheist automatically makes you smart, which it definitely doesnt. joy behar is a perfect example

[@mkocel]

NO

[@sahb7834]

Please say you're kidding, PLEASE!!😳😳🤢🤢

[@catweasle5737]

Non believer: There is no Loch ness monster.Believer: Prove it.Non believer: I cant.Believer: It must exist then.

[@mccainisthroughX]

Catweasle: And the reverse is more representative of how the common highly delusional religious Kook applies its anti-Logic: believer: my "god" is real. Sane Person: Then show me proof of it. believer: Show me proof my "god" doesn't exist. Sane Person: You made the claim so you prove it. believer: "god" is my proof. Sane Person: Go away, you bother me kid. Be Well!

[@michaelfreeman5023]

I think you're missing the point to a degree. The non - believer in this case isn't saying "there is no loch ness monster" in as so much saying "there isn't credible evidence to support the existence of the loch ness monster" and the believer is responding with "prove it"

[@MSkallywagg]

Man on a cloud bollocks

[@slazerlombardi]

Catweasle loch Ness monster: I need about three fiddy...

[@slazerlombardi]

TheSnaveeel do you have magical underwear?

[@tabascocat5102]

Why aren't people like Christopher Hitchens in CHARGE of the fudging planet??!!!!!

[@winchish]

Now THAT is the right question

[@rickwilliams6123]

They will be once all of the Repilians take over.

[@teknicron1080]

Because people are more afraid of painful truths and migrate instead to comforting lies.

[@juicypear327]

Because he's not religious. Good luck being president of the United States if you're not a Christian

[@mikespencer4922]

A world of chain smoking bisexual drunks????😂😂😂😂😂

[@johnpaulsylvester3727]

2:50 “We are animals. We can talk. Therefore, snakes, which are also animals, can talk.” I’m gonna go home and cry now

[@mccainisthroughX]

John Paul SylvesterL religious Kooks are so mentally off, they don't ever know when not to speak, and just dig themselves further into the ground, until they hit the water table, and drown to death. Be Well!

[@mercifulzeus01]

By that logic, I'm now going to try to fillet a mackerel using a broadsword, because it also has a blade.

[@Ericwvb2]

The argument also "works" in reverse: Snakes are animals. Humans are animals. Snakes can't talk. Therefore humans can't talk.

[@soslothful]

@@mercifulzeus01 Humm. How did that go? It would be an interesting video.

[@tampazeke4587]

These are the people most in control of America. Let that sink in!

[@MrSidney9]

"we're animals and we talk." Unsound logic 101: Birds are animals, birds fly, we're animals, therefore we can fly.

[@esands36]

MrSidney9 Good point. Lmao. Turtles are animals and they can swim. Can we swim since we're animals? Not all of us. In fact, lots of people are hydrophobic.

[@logicwurx]

@@esands36 ...yes. We can swim. You failed.

[@esands36]

@@logicwurx Not everyone can swim. I sink like a bar of lead.

[@_-AB-_]

@@esands36 neither can I!! Bugger it, will learn swimming before I die. It would be a shame if I ever got into a bit deeper water then my height.

[@eliahjannicky819]

Shit yeah we can fly. Just can't nail the landing!

[@snapgab]

That woman was surprisingly rational, first time I've seen a tv interview person take Hitchen's side so often.

[@mccainisthroughX]

snapgab: She is very bright for sure, and a decent moderator, especially when dealing with the likes of a religious Kook like wilson. Be Well!

[@toddstevens13]

@@mccainisthroughX guess you have never seen her on The View, it is laughable and sad

[@tekay44]

@@toddstevens13 unbelievable that they don't know this vile woman. the worst.

[@martingreen5439]

40 years in the dessert to learn what Moses learned from the Egyptians?

[@drewberrynews3875]

it was set up that way. All of her questions were mocking to him and she was there to try and make him look foolish. I don't think he gave very good answers so he look foolish himself. But it was like he was trying to combat an opponent and the officials. Doesn't make it a real moderated debate.

[@thebeardedwonder5825]

Christopher Hitchens was WAAAAYYYYY ahead of his time sitting down with people like this. His intellectual superiority over the guest and host was staggering. He, and other atheists of his time were way ahead of the curve on what they think and what they know. He will be missed dearly. ❤️

[@paulpascoe663]

Tbh the host was pretty good imo. She at least shone a light on the silliness of religion and called the pastor out on his beliefs

[@Loots1]

Lol he was not ahead of his time you sound as ignorant and miseducated as the pastor

[@sjsulews1]

I also think joy behar kicked ass here! She kept pointing back to hitch to do his thing while she played the “every person skeptic” we need more interviewers like that with Hitchens gone

[@jamesandrews8698]

Yo if joy beher is making look dumb....just go home lol

[@RKZX2]

Except his debate with George Galloway over Iraq. Goerge crushed him.

[@cash78626]

"We're animals and we talk" That brief moment of silence felt like a lifetime.

[@kevinturk23]

we're animals and we talk. I guess that settles it........holy shit!!!

[@milesy023]

LOL! That's some great logic. That's religious logic for you.

[@EightyFourThousands84000s]

easterlake Yeah, that was super awkward. I cringed my skin off when I heard him say that

[@drstrange2292]

easterlake holy shit, damn is that the new holy water for their mouth.

[@ateoforever7434]

easterlake I had an argument with a Python once, the swearing...!!

[@SlashHarkenUltra]

And there's Parseltongue also, I bet he believes that too.

[@pbfoley]

Actually a debate I attended in college completely changed my mind from a "believer" to an atheist. Not everyone just digs in their heels. It's on the listener to have an open mind. Great job by Joy here.

[@mccainisthroughX]

Patrick Foley: Indeed. Be Well!

[@normanthrelfall2646]

You have been sadly taken in. No scientist was present to see chemicals come together and for living cells 5, 10, 50 billion years ago. It is all religious propaganda. The Masses are always taken in by Barabbas the thief and murderer. Dinosaurs Contemporary with Humans Dr Don Patton PhD in geology studied at Indiana State University, Cambridge U.K and finally finished at Queensland University Australia, after 15 years of work, he earned an accreditation which was withdrawn by Professor Wilson who was appointed Head of Department of Geology and Mineralogy at the Queensland University between 1960 to 1986; because they did not like giving degrees to Creationists. He had to work another two years before he finally got his accreditation for his PhD. He did excavations at Glen Rose Texas at the Paluxy River Bed, which yielded dinosaur footprints and human footprints in the same rock strata being Cretaceous lime stone that is supposed to be 140 million years old! Dinosaur bones can be eroded and redeposited, they can also be intrinsically buried and here is the difference, you cannot do that with dinosaur and human tracks that have formed from sedentary mud and have turned into hard rock. The Paluxy River bed contains dinosaur footprints that you can walk in alongside human footprints, destroying the myth that dinosaurs lived millions of years before man, they were contemporary. When sediment was washed out of the human footprints, you could see clearly 5 toes and relative heel prints in pristine condition. Human footprints, seen inside dinosaur tracks; which is conclusive evidence. There were 135 dinosaur tracks but 14 human tracks in a right to left direction, going from right to left through the dinosaur tracks, some beside and within, clear evidence for those of a sound mind. Evolutionists enjoy the term erosion, but it does not fit with the actual observed evidence. These have not been carved as they were excavated from under overbearing rocks. You cannot have erosion as an answer to pristine patterns of human footprints. These are desperate remarks from evolutionists who love to grasp at straw men. They were not carved, it is not logical; how do you get underneath overbearing rocks? The layers are about 6 feet of alternating clay and lime stone, and so the reasoning by evolutionists does not make any sense. Dr Don Patton presented his findings to the Tennessee State University to a group of senior geologists; he showed the tracks and explained the process of coming to his conclusion: dinosaurs and humans were contemporary. There were about 50 Grad Students of geology present, they could not argue with his findings, so they looked back to the Head of the Department for a response. His rely was ridiculous to say the least. He said, we do not know whether back then, that there were dinosaurs with human feet. Then Dr Patton replied and we do not know whether humans had dinosaur feet and he went on to say, if they were human tracks would they look any different than todays? The Head of the Department didn’t like that answer, so he just walked away. The Curator of the Dallas Museum of Natural History came down and so the evidence and went away upset, then he came again and went away upset. He came back the third time, having been thinking about the problem and said to Dr Patton, I know what these are, even though they look like human tracks, they really are not human tracks, they were made by aliens! He was as serious as he could be. They simply do not want to accept what is clear pristine evidence. Dr Patton replied, if they are aliens and more intelligent than us; being from a distant galaxy what are they doing walking about barefoot? He didn’t like that answer so he walked away. Dr Don Patton has presented his evidence to about 100 universities in America with no positive outcome in recognition of the facts. The Darwinian box is so hardly jammed upon their heads they cannot get it off and see sense. I have no respect for evolutionists who deliberately suppress, ignore and disregard any evidence against evolution.

[@normanthrelfall2646]

@@pbfoley I use much of my own words! Mr Folly! The teaching of Darwinian Evolutionary Religion has given license to lawlessness, like there is no one to answer to for moronic behaviour. It has given birth to countless criminal acts of drug dealing, theft, murder, fornication, adultery, contract killing etc. It has promoted suicide particularly among young people. Darwinian Evolutionary Religion promotes fear and distrust greed and selfishness among people. It promotes wars; this religion is a dangerous damnable heresy and has done more damage than any other religious belief in history. It will be responsible for Armageddon the last great world war which will warrant the return of our Lord Jesus Christ in order to stop man destroying himself through selfishness and greed. Hitler justified his war based upon the evolutionary concept “Survival of the Fittest” but he went down with all on board! China, Russia and North Korea live by the same destructive rules. There have been a number of atrocities committed since Darwin’s book came out in 1859. This belief system has shed much blood. The wicked live by faith in evolution, we shall see who is right! Richard Dawkins mocks the Ten Commandments and those who believe in them. David Attenborough also mocks God by his continual Mantras of millions of years in his nature programmes. Richard Dawkins, David Attenborough and others, plus the media who promote the belief in Darwinian Evolutionary Religion have blood on their hands, because what you believe determines how you behave! Jesus was clear: Men shall give an answer for every idle word spoken. This also includes those in church denominations who do not teach the purity of the gospel account. Jesus did not lie to us, but told us the whole truth and nothing but the truth. The gospel of Jesus Christ gives belly ache to those who love what God calls sin. There is always a place of repentance at the foot of the cross, where Father God manifested his love for the world, by taking his only begotten Son to Calvary to be crucified for the sins of the world in order to bring us back to God, thus he created an open door; back to Father’s heart, a place of acceptance. The just shall live by faith! Salvation has been designed by God upon the lines of faith! Oh the wisdom of God! Righteousness exalts a nation but sin is a reproach to any people!

[@normanthrelfall2646]

The teaching of Darwinian Evolutionary Religion has given license to lawlessness, like there is no one to answer to for moronic behaviour. It has given birth to countless criminal acts of drug dealing, theft, murder, fornication, adultery, contract killing etc. It has promoted suicide particularly among young people. Darwinian Evolutionary Religion promotes fear and distrust greed and selfishness among people. It promotes wars; this religion is a dangerous damnable heresy and has done more damage than any other religious belief in history. It will be responsible for Armageddon the last great world war which will warrant the return of our Lord Jesus Christ in order to stop man destroying himself through selfishness and greed. Hitler justified his war based upon the evolutionary concept “Survival of the Fittest” but he went down with all on board! China, Russia and North Korea live by the same destructive rules. There have been a number of atrocities committed since Darwin’s book came out in 1859. This belief system has shed much blood. The wicked live by faith in evolution, we shall see who is right! Richard Dawkins mocks the Ten Commandments and those who believe in them. David Attenborough also mocks God by his continual Mantras of millions of years in his nature programmes. Richard Dawkins, David Attenborough and others, plus the media who promote the belief in Darwinian Evolutionary Religion have blood on their hands, because what you believe determines how you behave! Jesus was clear: Men shall give an answer for every idle word spoken. This also includes those in church denominations who do not teach the purity of the gospel account. Jesus did not lie to us, but told us the whole truth and nothing but the truth. The gospel of Jesus Christ gives belly ache to those who love what God calls sin. There is always a place of repentance at the foot of the cross, where Father God manifested his love for the world, by taking his only begotten Son to Calvary to be crucified for the sins of the world in order to bring us back to God, thus he created an open door; back to Father’s heart, a place of acceptance. The just shall live by faith! Salvation has been designed by God upon the lines of faith! Oh the wisdom of God! Righteousness exalts a nation but sin is a reproach to any people!

[@normanthrelfall2646]

@@pbfoley This makes sense Darwinian Evolutionary Religion is a back door to immoral behaviour. What you believe determines how you behave! Kind Regards Evolutionists do not have an honest bone in their bodies Dr Cabrera was sacked Dr Javier Cabrera was relieved of his position as Director of Cultural Affairs for ICA because he was preparing a case for official authorization to have systematic excavations in the archaeological zone of Ocaucaje. He was prepared to dig up some dirt to exonerate the ICA Stones by finding more of these genuine stones in the tombs. Dr. Cabrera was succeeded by the Director of the Museum in ICA when the authorities became aware of his intentions, he immediately under instructions shut down this proposal and enterprise. This newly appointed Director also refused to allow the institutions collection of engraved stones of dinosaurs and surgical operations to be put on public display. The powers that be knew that the ICA Stones were genuine artifacts that called Darwinian Evolutionary Religion into question. “The SAS had moved in.” Dr. Javier Cabrera forfeited his career in search of the truth; for what many wanted to believe were bogus andesite river rocks. These stones are valuable treasure left by the indigenous people for future generations, because many have also been found buried in farmer’s fields outside tombs. If allowed to be put on public display they would shake the foundations of evolutionary dogma and destroy the assumptions, presumptions and presuppositions of the invented evolutionary power of time invented by Charles Lyell a Scottish lawyer in 1830. There is no escaping the fact that antique pottery displaying dinosaurs as part of their molding process stood out in prominence on the surfaces of these artifacts, plus textiles with dinosaurs embroidered on them are genuine and that dinosaurs were indeed contemporary with the indigenous Indians of Peru. The back rooms of museums are used to store away anything that causes people to question evolution, out of sight, out of mind, out of harm’s way, away from public scrutiny and the media press. These are classed as enigmas. “Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored by the evolutionary community around the world.” Dr. Cabrera had many stones with stegosauruses carved on them, some showing leaves within their mouths. On the stones was also depicted Indian or Mayan looking men with pointed noses. The warriors were attaching the stegosaurus, one of the warriors would be on the back of the stegosaurus with an axe over the head of the dinosaur and another warrior standing on the tail of the stegosaurus and attaching the pelvic ganglia. I can understand this because the majority of dinosaurs were discovered to be vegetarian in 2010 by examining fossilized dung from a number of dinosaurs including T.REX. If the indigenous Indians had planted crops you would not want dinosaurs making short work of them, so you would attach them. Communism is alive and well in America!

[@AmmoDude]

I was raised Southern Baptist. We were spoon fed specific parts of the bible, never being allowed to explore the text unguided. When you questioned a passage or an interpretation, you were immediately put back on track. At 16 years old, I was given a bible by my church and I threw off the chains and began to evaluate the bible and religion. Big mistake by the church, I was quickly no longer a believer or follower of Hebrew or Geek (yes I said Greek) mythology.

[@michaelmiller7160]

Sure if you read the bible, it's a mess with a seeming malevolent god. If a person wants to accept that there was a supreme being there is nothing in the cosmological argument to indicate that the being would have any of the properties of humans. Scientists and mathematicians have no evidence to show whether the universe began from something or from nothing. God could fall under the Big Bang Theory but then God doesn't in any way need to be moral or like us or even good or could be good or evil in combination. There are hundreds of questionable moralities and dogmas found in the Old and even New Testaments. Upholding slavery or condemning billions of moral people to eternal damnation seems like a horrible thing to do. We are not even close to proving there is any kind of god much less a Christian god and evidence that points to there being a god unless you just mean "the original creator or Big Bang creator". What is good about faith based on no scientific or good evidence? "I just believe in one less god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all other gods you'll begin to understand why I dismiss yours"

[@ubeuonly]

Stop indoctrinated children with this primitive nonsense and it will go away

[@larryc1616]

No one gave you a Bible until 16yo?

[@AmmoDude]

@@larryc1616 Right. There was a huge family bible on our living room on the coffee table but it was off limits, Mom was afraid us kids would mess it up. We had bibles available in Sunday school, but they stayed at church. There was no bible study at home, my Dad was a non-believer.

[@normanthrelfall2646]

Personal spiritually intimacy with Jesus is what matters, keeping your eyes off others and keeping them on him who loved you unconditionally! The Miracle of the Atom The Laws of physics that exist are due to the activity within the atom, which is finely tuned in order for us to exist and as we know atoms are required for life. The main energy level occupied by an electron during orbit is dictated by its fixed distance from the nucleus of the atom. This is relative to electron and proton attraction. There are constants within the atom, like the size of the electric charge of the electron and the ratio of the masses of the protons relative to each other. All orbitals that have the same value “N” being the main energy level relates to the quantum number and are said to share the same shell level. Protons are subatomic particles which are charged in relation to the nucleus, electrons are attracted towards them because they have opposite electrical charges; this fine tuning keeps them in orbit around the nucleus making the development of life possible as we know it. The atom is a miracle of design not an accident waiting to happen. Everything is made up of atoms which are finely tuned for the building blocks of life and also they create the environment necessary for the existence of life. The conditions on our own earth in particular are finely tuned being described as biophilic in which life as we know it can flourish. If any of the fundamental constants like the speed of light or the strength of gravity were to change just a little, then life as we know it would cease to exist. This realization has led some physicists to argue that our universe is intelligently designed, made especially for us, no accident waiting to happen. We live in a finely tuned universe perfectly primed in order to support life. There is irreducible complexity within the atom never mine the cell as atoms make up cells and are responsible for life as we know it. Atoms are unique and their atomic number dictates what substance or chemical property they have. Carbon for instance has an atomic number of 6 positively charged protons in the nucleus. Atoms are essential building blocks of life, for example the body contains fat which is made up of carbon, hydrogen and oxygen atoms. Carbon atoms because of their unique make-up also bond strongly to other elements such as hydrogen, oxygen and nitrogen because they have branches or rings of various sizes that contain thousands of atoms, carbon is quite accommodating with other substances. These have unique atomic numbers that make life possible. Atoms suffer from irreducible complexity because all the electrons, protons and neutrons must be present at the same time in a particular number and order, for the atom to function as a designated substance. This knowledge dispenses with the idea of mutations and natural selection relating to chemical interactions. Life on the earth is based on carbon chemistry. Carbon is used in organic matter such as our bodies for instance in order to maintain life. They silently carry out important chemical reactions within our bodies and they are essential to life on the earth. Carbon atoms make up the sun, stars, comets and the atmosphere of most planets. Carbon is found in coal, oil, diamonds and natural gas deposits. The atom is clearly designed and many physicists now recognise this, but they won’t use the word God or Creator, they would sooner believe aliens were responsible, but the question is then begged who made the aliens? The term atom really means invisible unit or uncuttable, and for a long time it was thought that the atom could not be split, but when they did, it produced the atomic bomb. An infinite intelligence made the various atoms which are so small and are measured as being one tenth of a billionth of a metre across. They are so small that they cannot be seen under a powerful microscope. We are led to believe that all our sophisticated atoms are derived from an invented primordial complex soup of chemicals which then produced the first living cells. Remember each atom is unique due to its composition and arrangement of subatomic particles relative to the number of protons in the nucleus. This is no accident waiting to happen! A primordial soup is purely fictitious and based on fantasy and imagination because men do not want to retain God in their knowledge. Jesus did not lie to us concerning him being the Son of God and the Saviour of the world. He said that men shall give an account for every idle word spoken, except they repent of their sins!

[@davethompson7135]

It is usually true that if you try to debate a fool you're doomed to be dragged down to the fools level. But Christopher even overcame this obstacle. Wonderful man.

[@boliusabol822]

Hitchens lost a debate with this man after they checked the audience vote at the end.

[@rustycherkas8229]

@@boliusabol822 So what... Trump was elected president of the USA for a term... Popular opinion indicates absolutely nothing. Just look to the story of "America's Dad", Bill Cosby. Great role model he was, eh?

[@boliusabol822]

@@rustycherkas8229 ok genius you can go with your opinion, I can go with my opinion, and the audience can go with theirs. Clear enough for you?

[@rustycherkas8229]

@@boliusabol822 Fine with me... "God exists by reason of consensus". It's just a popularity contest with no substantive value.

[@SPL0869]

@@boliusabol822 what was the makeup of the audience?

[@MrDyl666]

Clever woman who was doing the interviewing Think she held herself back Quite clear who she agrees with

[@gamingbytetv665]

MrDyl666 I think she's on the view? She looks familiar but I don't know her name.

[@eyespy6677]

Joy Behar. Not sure of the spelling.

[@1000000man1]

Ye, but at the end she says hitting your children is Un-Christian She still doesn't understand how immoral Christianity is. It's Very Christian to hit your kids

[@GuitarGuy057]

@@gamingbytetv665 Joy Behar. It is literally spelled out on the screen.

[@GuitarGuy057]

@@eyespy6677 It's spelled for you on the screen.

[@ChristianPauchet]

“Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.” - Carl Sagan. Simple yet a profound quote from an extraordinary human being.

[@mccainisthroughX]

Christian Pauchet: Yup, simple. Be Well!

[@ChristianPauchet]

@@stephenireland3816 Not really. Every single complex system is comprised of complex systems themselves. If you look at our body for example it's filled with awkward "design" flaws not worthy nor expected of an omnipotent and/or omniscient being. These flaws are found everywhere we've looked at in great detail. Have you ever asked yourself why almost all life is parasitic in nature? Why does everything needs to rely on something else to survive? The entire universe seems to be extremely hostile to life as we know it, there must be more out there but they most likely follow the same laws found on our rock. The entire thing looks like it came from random chaos, therefore, not designed by anything nor anyone. You only see the beauty completely disregarding its cruel and remorseless nature. If an asteroid or comet should hit us and wipe us out, would that be part of an intelligent design? Then who would worship the designer? Bacteria?

[@ChristianPauchet]

@@stephenireland3816 ...you lost me at "A perfect creation that was corrupted through Adams rebellion which lead to death." A human sees what it was indoctrinated to see. Science doesn't work this way. You're a hardcore creationist and whatever I say to you, with links to peer reviewed, scientific papers will not make you change your mind. Your analytic process has been corrupted through the awesome powers of religion, in your case, it's the Abrahamic protestant christianity which constantly uses "cherrypicking" as a hobby or as a tool to fill in the pieces to your made-up narrative written by people that didn't know where the sun went at night. I will not continue this fruitless argument. Have great day.

[@RocketKirchner]

yes - and Hitch said there were weapons of mass destruction in Iraq . when they did not turn up , he never recanted his error . how can one trust his judgement on anything after that . ?

[@TonyEnglandUK]

@@stephenireland3816 The problem with converting to any of the religions is that you then have to take that religion's book and study it. And in your particular case, your book is going to tell you - and instruct you to believe - that a donkey can talk. And you, as a grown man, have taken away your own right to disagree.

[@Ziggykitty666]

Never seen joy act so reasonable and rational

[@juliuslafrentz1879]

“I was the kind of child that needed abuse” Basically sums up why people are religious

[@upturnedblousecollar5811]

I think if we took indoctrination out of the world, religions would practically die overnight.

[@Snarflelocker]

wow haha that's... I'm gonna have to think about that for a bit. But yes, fear.

[@ahuramazda32]

Fear of consequences is an essential human attribute

[@rustycherkas8229]

Hitchens has, in other duals, clearly stated that religiosity is displaying a desire to participate in sadomasochism; the titillating allure of naughty feeling nice.

[@Killerbee4712]

Or his parents were asian

[@cre8ivartist]

The initial "burden of proof" comment was nonsense. If I say there's such thing as a flying spaghetti monster, all of a sudden it's *your* responsibility to disprove it to me?

[@JoEEll2233]

When was energy created and what created it? Answer, energy was always in existence and as such was never created. Go back a million trillion years a million trillion times over 100 times and energy will always be there waiting to great you. Impossible? No, fact. Sure makes the existence of God a little more believable doesn't it? The fact that you are clueless about such matters does not make your silly response more credible, just more silly. Bye.

[@cre8ivartist]

David McCaig If you're going to make an argument but then say "bye" that's a little childish, aren't you awaiting a rebuttal? These aren't facts. Science has theories and only deems them facts when they have been proven. But unlike religious people, we don't make up assumptions to fill up the gaps. You can't just say "we don't know therefore God". Who created God?

[@JoEEll2233]

What created God? What created energy? Apparently it is possible to exist without the need to be created. A little thought and you could have figured this out for yourself. Big Bang contained energy from which arose love, compassion, virtue, art, music, creativity, consciousness - all of which sounds like the hand of God to me. Hmmm. Lastly, consciousness has never been proven to originate within the brain. Therefore it is just as likely to originate outside the brain as within it making atheism, like Christianity faith based, and these are the ones you mock? BTW, I am not Christian. What else are you wrong about? Never mind, I already know.

[@jasonstevens7740]

David McCaig You said: "When was energy created and what created it? Answer, energy was always in existence and as such was never created" Please cite your evidence for this claim/answer. You said: "Go back a million trillion years a million trillion times over 100 times and energy will always be there waiting to great you. " Have you done this? Please cite your evidence for this claim. You said: "Sure makes the existence of God a little more believable doesn't it? " Why would it? Why wouldn't it make the existence of anything else besides a god just as believable? Your flaw here is you presuppose a god. Why are you assuming it's a god to begin with? Not very scientific. You said: "Big Bang contained energy from which arose love, compassion, virtue, art, music, creativity, consciousness - all of which sounds like the hand of God to me" What evidence do you have that those attributes are the hand of a god?

[@cre8ivartist]

And to add to what Jason said, which I think he basically said, what are you defining as God? You said "which sounds like the hand of God to me"... what? What is God? How can you say something sounds like something else when we don't have a definition of what the something else is???? Yes all those wonderful things you listed are amazing even to atheists, but we don't come to the conclusion that an invisible man created them because that just poses infinitely more questions than we had to begin with.

[@thedashboard9562]

*Theist:* Hey you there! God is real and you must believe this. *Skeptic:* Why should I? *Theist:* Nope! The burden of proof is on you. *Skeptic:* But you're the one that came to me. *Theist:* It doesn't matter. I made the claim, now you have to prove whether it's true or not. *Skeptic:* I'm just gonna go now. *Theist:* I win.

[@DragonsinGenesisPodcast]

+The Dashboard pretty much

[@markgo106]

+THthefirst LOL! How can you threaten people that they are going to a place that doesn't exist?

[@Therebesquare]

Or you present tons of evidence and it’s apparently meaningless becuase reasons

[@Genarii]

@@Therebesquare Who presents " tons of evidence"? Arguments aren't evidence, so it's hard to imagine to which side you're even referring.

[@Therebesquare]

@@Genarii oh well I wasn’t clear. It’s the scientists. Presenting evidence and the theists ignoring it

[@MikeTMike]

"You have the burden of proof. Prove there's no god" "Wrong. You have the burden of proof. Prove I'm not God"

[@mccainisthroughX]

@MikeTMike: Precisely. Happy New Year!

[@technomage6736]

Joy: Make a case for God Pastor: You can't prove there's not Joy: Yeah but you don't REALLY believe in the talking snake... Pastor: Well we're animals and WE talk. 🤦‍♂️ Omg this is embarrassing

[@2Uahoj]

It was said "tongue in cheek"

[@tomhenry595]

@@2Uahoj Nope but keep telling yourself that to feel better.

[@joemiller7082]

@@2Uahojsure, Jan.

[@Hexon66]

And I wouldn't be surprised if he thought a snake was a primate, either.

[@JackMitchell-li2iw]

Please prove the Law of Non Contradiction which underlies this statement. What is your basis for using it?

[@cristianvq7177]

Talking snakes.... We are animals and we talk... EPIC FAIL

[@PEPPERS777]

+Cristian VQ we are an epic fail yes, agreed, i just hope while going down we don't take everything down with us

[@cristianvq7177]

just peppers I don't think you understand what I mean by epic fail.

[@PEPPERS777]

Cristian VQ doesn't matter, we are a fail either way

[@cristianvq7177]

just peppers From an evolutionary perspective, we certainty are not. But, I presume that is not what you have in mind.

[@j727100]

+Rob Darling. Define animal.

[@gillschmid5267]

This pastor is so unintelligent, quite embarrassing sitting next to such a great mind.

[@RocketKirchner]

a great mind ? if Hitch has such a great mind then why did he not recant his position on support of the Iraq war even after they found no WMDs ? his judgement is warped . his so called great mind didnt care if all those innocent children got slaughtered by the American Empire . so much for a great mind .

[@cloudbuster77]

@@RocketKirchner iraq refused to obey the conditions set up at the end of gulf war 1 in 1991.

[@ca6177]

Most pastors are unintelligent!

[@Mark1526374859]

@@RocketKirchner Listen to Hitch on Iraq. He went there.

[@gregDino32]

Dude that may be true , but that still doesn't change the fact he was a great intellectual , just because someone may say or opine something you think isn't true doesn't suddenly mean everything the individual has said or done wasn't right or not true.

[@stephenholmgren405]

I'm 18 and just discovered Hitchens work & incredible debates on YT. I graduated HS recently in 2023. Nobody I knew ever talked about god , church, religion, We say "omg lol" is a closest to caring about this subject in school. I would guess 80-90% of my peer group do not believe in god.

[@PimpMyDitchWitch]

I will refer you to his debate with William Lane Craig. Turns out, the New Atheist movement was nothing more than charismatic people poking holes in Protestant pastors’ weak arguments by being slightly less uneducated on the topic, and amassing followers who knew no better. Anytime he encountered strong arguments for God, his inadequacy was exposed. A little kid with a correct, but merely cursory knowledge of the Contingency Argument would’ve stumped him.

[@timothyarmstrong1390]

That's very encouraging to hear. Maybe there is hope for a rational future.

[@RobertStambaugh-l5r]

Just wondering . Do you live in godless Pittsburgh , Pa . ?

[@ОлегБочаров-щ8к]

​@@timothyarmstrong1390it really depends on where you live. In my country religion used to be much milder than in USA. Though, it makes one hell of a comback now.

[@dedmo79]

"i can't avail myself of the almost beautiful circularity of pastor Wilson's argument". 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

[@Gorevet]

This guy literally admitted he wouldn’t know not to rape, kill, steal etc if not for the bible and also admitted he takes the bible literally (snakes talk, god commanding genocide etc). Hitch was very “kid gloves” with him here, he could have absolutely demolished him

[@mikerodgers7620]

Hitch is in Hell. You will be too. You will talk to Lucifer. 😄

[@warbon8853]

@@mikerodgers7620 do you know how many versions of Christianity there are that aren't compatable? Thousands. If hell exists there's a large chance that you'll be there too.

[@mortardobbo1239]

@@mikerodgers7620 hitchens isn't in hell, he's nowhere, he ceased being conscious and isn't experiencing anything right now and until the end of time, he's got nothing to worry about at all, the man was a poet and a smart man, there is no god, no afterlife, nothing because its absolutely absurb

[@MrDW-ei1fe]

Atheist or not, the morality of the modern western world has been directly influenced by Christianity.

[@mikerodgers7620]

@@MrDW-ei1fe that is true 😄

[@labspeciman7402]

Religious guy: The bible says so. Hitchins: Names off many things why you shouldn't believe.

[@rakkhnaka]

The pastor was downright embarrassing.

[@WhoThisMonkey]

HearSpeak That's because he's delusional. You wouldn't ask a paranoid schizophrenic to teach a class on social ethics, because his personal view on the subject is warped. Why ask a insane person how the world was made? Mind you, the folly in this statement, I've just realised is that's pretty much what all Muslims do, seeing as Muhammad was equally if not more insane than a paranoid schizophrenic... Which is accounted for in many historical documents. Humanity is all too ready to illogically follow insanity.

[@1000000man1]

They always are

[@Dr-Curious]

Axiom

[@mikezeke7041]

2021 Doug is one of the few who are not delusional...

[@paulrichards6894]

@@mikezeke7041 think you will find he is.....

[@kendrickjahn1261]

"We're animals, and we talk..." And that's supposed to be a fucking argument? It's not even a solid point for anything.

[@Hesheli27]

parrots can talk

[@spartan.falbion2761]

The ability to talk is a peculiarity, and has caused secular people to ponder on a supernatural cause (indeed, alien or angelic intervention).

[@miaomiaochan]

​@@Hesheli27 yeah, and? Snakes can't. Donkeys can't. And yet, according to the Bible, both animals spoke human languages at one point. Have you seen a snake or donkey talk? Why have no donkeys and snakes spoken in human languages since the time of the Bible?

[@miaomiaochan]

This pastor needs to take a class on logic, because that's a classic logical fallacy.

[@iweegouldyi8466]

This is to the Christians in the comments who say Hitch is in hell Why would you assume (If God does exist) that Hitch went to hell? He didn't muder, steal, rape. How can you condemn someone for being critical of Gods existence when all God has done to prove to us he exists, is give us a book. I can write a book, does that make me God?

[@magnushaveland2526]

I agree with you, but religion teaches its followers not to question gods will. Lucifer, the fallen angle did this.. And that is why God banished him, cause he started asking the questions. It is a story that reflects this point of critical thinking.

[@koreyg8552]

Magnus Haveland yeah religion is essentially don’t question the boogeyman just do as I say or else, but I love you

[@Redbeardian]

If only our good deeds and lack of doing bad was all it took then people wouldn't go to church and tithe so they have to push that narrative to their followers because it's a business. The priests cant get their SUVs and jewelry without butts in the pews.

[@dandansen4261]

I love Hitchens but he was a socialist.

[@morpheas768]

They believe that, because: A) They want to believe that, because they hate people that oppose their cancerous religious views, so they take pleasure thinking that he is burning in hell, B) Because their bible condemns non-believers to hell, C) Regardless of whether or not they believe it, they think this will greatly upset people who think Hitchens was a great man, so its their way of saying "Suck it atheists!" Pathetic, truly pathetic and despicable.

[@upturnedblousecollar5811]

One could watch this with the sound turned off and the Pastor would still lose through body language.

[@dorcia]

Hitchens was so way out of this fool's league. Rest in Power.

[@Vulture2918]

@@sampsonlittle7368 oh really Hitchens? Isn't smart? You have never been invited on a TV show, likely had average grades probably going or went to college you don't have adegee in anything ur scores on the sat are likely normal how many books do you read? Whats your income? Your a nobody that isn't even comparable

[@rosshewage6893]

@@Vulture2918 I think you misinterpreted his comment - give it another go... And the ad hominems kinda make your critique an exercise in irony

[@RocketKirchner]

so far out that he promoted the war in iraq that killed and maimed innocent lives . that is what a fool is .

[@justsomeguy6474]

@@RocketKirchner That is true and has nothing to do with the topic at hand.

[@raysonraypay5885]

He got owned by William lane Craig He got owned by frank turek

[@subicbrat]

No; the proof lies with who is making the claim of existence. If your logic is that the person has to disprove what you are asserting then you must accept the existence of ALL gods and ALL fantasies as truth because you can not disprove them.

[@sece09]

+Ghengis Papadragon Indeed!

[@jmsgarbutt]

Your total right! I've been saying that for years! it just goes over people's heads.

[@subicbrat]

james garbutt here is what they do; religious idiot "prove that god does not exist". me; "what I said above yadda yadda". religous idiot looking at me for a second and then says "prove that god does not exist". At that point we are done.

[@BiohazardProductions]

I believe that yes, if someone is going to base their opinions solely on evidence and facts (as atheists claim to do, relying on science as their only means of defining the world around them), then the burden of proof lies on them. Otherwise they have no means to support their claim and if it's unfounded their standpoint is hypocritical to begin with. Religious people have the privilege of not needing a proof, since faith by definition is based on assumptions, not knowledge. Having evidence of God's existence would defeat the purpose of supposed "test" our life is.

[@jmsgarbutt]

BiohazardProductions WWWWWWROOONG.... utterly wrong, an Atheist does not base there belifes solely on science you tool. Thy Base it on lack of evidence FROM a religious point. Atheism is the DISBELIEF of God on a whole and it's shoddy religious views. If your going to comment get it right. "Test" pffffft .. pleeease.

[@z06dave]

Christopher Hitchens speaks so profoundly and beautifully that's it's no less than pure joyful to listen to him preach his intelligence to the ignorant world. I could listen to him all day and all night. What a brilliant brilliant man he was.

[@craigkelly4278]

I miss Christopher Hitchens and I say this as a Christian!!!

[@hairyreasoner]

"It sounds like you're too intelligent to believe that..." Ummm, no, he doesn't.

[@Ericwvb2]

Let's not make any assumptions :)

[@moseshoward7072]

The words "silly" and "pastor" go together.

[@mccainisthroughX]

+moses howard Like milk and cookies... Be Well!

[@stevenlarrabee3438]

Ask a believer for a positive evidence for god. Not one has ever been able to give me one and that includes several pastors. They always have to resort to a negative proof.

[@Hesheli27]

prove to me murder and rape is wrong. you can only share you opinion LOL

[@thakraken6995]

​​@@Hesheli27 those things being wrong or not has nothing to do with whether a god exists. It's a red herring. Also, I'll add that even when you appeal to a god for Morality you're still deriving it from God's opinion.

[@petyrkowalski9887]

This pastor is so invested in his mythical belief system he has to defend the indefensible. Its embarassing.

[@bluepeter3470]

This man left us to early. Christopher rest in peace.

[@mccainisthroughX]

Blue Peter: He was a good guy. We knew him pretty well, and talked to him regularly. He is missed by many. Be Well!

[@michaellear6904]

The Hitch was a phenomenal advocate for the dignity of the person. He detested cruelty born of credulity. Frankly, it's pretty fucked up that he had to leave us.

[@Rose-qd2bl]

He wouldn't want you to want him to rest in peace.

[@mahones981]

What does rest in peace mean for an athiest? Best thing is to tell someone before they die ''enjoy' non existence'

[@bluepeter3470]

mark m hello I did not mean rip on a religious terms. I meant just to rest quietly

[@BattousaiHBr]

there's no fucking way this is 480p...

[@BattousaiHBr]

***** i dont think you get my point...

[@BattousaiHBr]

***** i did, and the sarcasm didnt align with my post.

[@spoderman15]

BattousaiHBr they used software to resize it

[@redavis6581]

Spoder Man What!!! I thought Gooby killed you already. Dolan will not be happy.

[@TheSkepticSkwerl]

How about the fact that this wasn't their property to upload. So they make it crappy in hopes it doesn't get taken down for copyright reasons. Or that it was recorded on TiVo poorly

[@HenriFalang]

There isn't a day that passes that I don't regret the passing of Christopher Hitchens.

[@angelamaryquitecontrary4609]

I miss him too. So very much.

[@upturnedblousecollar5811]

I think Hitchens will be remembered for centuries as a man who catapulted the cause of common sense into a fresh new ground.

[@2Uahoj]

Then you're the only one.

[@nealgrimes4382]

@@2Uahoj Not true

[@tomhenry595]

@@2Uahoj Triggered again by facts you disagree with?

[@KimberlyArwen]

Joy is so funny! She's asking these questions as if he can answer them!😅

[@TheLoremasterNojah]

"We're animals and we talk." LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

[@juhoi1]

To quote Richard Dawkins: "Why is that funny?"

[@JoEEll2233]

juhoi1 Yes, Richard was the first person to ever say that.

[@docmarten8269]

What's with Christian pastors making all these 'cars were designed by humans, therefore GOD!' arguments? Broken records

[@milesy023]

It's a very, very weak argument.

[@davidbailey1721]

mariusz sabadasz it's hard to think straight when you've been brainwashed. Case in point.

[@harryrenner4016]

It's because that's all they have.

[@Ericwvb2]

@@milesy023 It's also falls apart when you consider snowflakes. Each snowflake is a little piece of art and no two are alike. How do we know snowflakes are not made by artists (or by supernatural forces) but a painting of a snowflake is? Certainly not due to the inherent order presented to us.

[@SFO14]

Really - how is putting the burden of proof on an automobile to prove its manufacturer existed anything like man doing the same for God? Good lord that's asinine.

[@dg8366]

and that analogy is utterly incompatible. we have conctrete proof of Henry Ford's existance. We dont have concrete proof of God. i wonder why Hitch didnt point that out. perhaps it was beneath him to do so due to the idiocy in that statement

[@SFO14]

Bane AlGhul Not to mention an automobile is an inanimate object...

[@dg8366]

***** yes, that too

[@rad4life1]

+SFO14 Indeed! A car cannot rationalize anything, it is an inanimate object!

[@TheCompton1963]

Wow. This guy is just stupid.

[@StringsOfBrian]

Man! I love this! After getting out of the church every time I hear a pastor talk it sounds like fear, fairytales, and garbage. Every time I hear people like Hitch, it really is realistic, factual, proven facts and evidence. The part at spanking at the end 😂😂😂 so good! Wow! Even the host stood up for Hitch. 😊

[@thevoiceofamerica2389]

Hitchens is rotting in hell my friend. He was such a fool and so ignorant. God bless you. GOD BLESS AMERICA!!!

[@user-fb2jb3gz1d]

What facts did Hitchens give?

[@thevoiceofamerica2389]

@@user-fb2jb3gz1d Indeed. Hitchens didn't give any facts at all!

[@user-fb2jb3gz1d]

@@thevoiceofamerica2389 exactly. The thing is........im banking on the atheist to use facts, to acknowledge the one who dodges not answering, to expose the one who is not answering the actual question. Atheists say religion indoctrinates, makes people gullible and deteriorates critical thinking........yet they display that exactly thing right here with Hitchens. They don't and won't question Hitchens. They just think whatever he says is the truth, are the facts.......when if one did a simple research on it, they would find Hitchens doesn't know anything. I was one of these atheists and I realized this as an atheist. This dude is just stupid on religion. It's a great disappointment that atheists become what they make fun of.

[@PimpMyDitchWitch]

You might want to watch his debate with William Lane Craig to see just how poorly he understands what he is talking about.

[@Adam-mj5hl]

2:51 “We’re animals, and we talk…” The 3 seconds of awkward silence following that statement says it all, lol 😂

[@stevenstrnad863]

Lol

[@Vincent-fo7xp]

Because it was so stupid

[@BloodyBay]

*Douglas Wilson:* "We're animals and *_we_* talk!" *Christopher Hitchens:* "(Self, _don't_ say, 'That was absolutely the most stupid rubbish I've ever heard in my life.' Don't say, 'That was absolutely the most stupid rubbish I've ever heard in my life.' Don't say 'That was absolutely the most stupid rubbish I've ever heard in my life....')"

[@upturnedblousecollar5811]

Even if you watch this with the sound off, the body language of the pastor tells you all you need to know.

[@WhatIsThis-zq4hk]

Did he really just say that snakes can talk because humans are animals and humans can talk....... I am absolutely speechless.

[@2Uahoj]

You're "speechless" - so in your view humans can't talk, but other animals can! 🙂

[@WhatIsThis-zq4hk]

@@2Uahoj Animals cannot talk

[@nealgrimes4382]

@@WhatIsThis-zq4hk And some people don't understand humour.

[@jeffbaer5851]

@@WhatIsThis-zq4hk I heard a parrot singing "I Left My Heart in San Francisco" on the Johnny Carson show. So.... there's that. (lol)

[@user-fb2jb3gz1d]

Actually, animals do talk. Maybe not English or Spanish.....but they do communicate. I can't believe I have to clarify this

[@Squidwardsclarinet69]

Saying hitchens is in hell is like saying hes in the fairy kings dungeon. It has no weight.

[@squidpolo]

@@mikerodgers7620 ease up on the negativity please

[@777-v7u]

Lets hope he's not in the hot motel: from what I've read, it doesn't sound like a place that I'd be booking reservations for. Statistics show that approx 150,000 people die every day. That's 6250 per hour, and close to 2 people every second. If he is in Hell, he certainly won't be alone. They say there are no atheists in hell...😁

[@mikerodgers7620]

@@squidpolo shut the fuck up.

[@fed3903]

@@mikerodgers7620 I'm sure your god is so proud of you, keep up the good work.

[@mikerodgers7620]

@@fed3903 and Lucifer is proud of you. 😁

[@ramjetejmar8143]

I don't know but my mind always leans towards the common sense reasoning and it never fails when I listen to Christopher Hitchens.

[@c.j.K9grooming7344]

2000 I was in 9th grade when I decide to question all what I was taught. So glad I did now I'm a logical, ethical, and morally sane human.

[@mccainisthroughX]

Chris Juarez: Well done. There is no value at all to enduring the slavery and limited thought of any and all religious Dogmas and their primitive reprehensible dictum. When someone tells us they are "very religious," we leave the conversation nearly immediately. The only reason to stay engaged in a conversation with some cultist who proclaims their adherence to religious Dogma and its mindless, tedious brainwashing, is if you need the laughs a clown provides, or if you wish to mourn the loss of a human brain. Thanks for watching and posting. Be Well!

[@richelleeasley6492]

It took me another 10 years after that

[@shynickel8239]

Congrates

[@alexcrocker5329]

It completely baffles me how someone can say something so ridiculous and not only keep a straight face but actually believe it. How Christopher Hitchens managed to surround himself with these idiots for so many years is a testament to his mental strength and patience. Would love to have seen him debate some of the controversial topics of today.

[@geoffcrumblin9850]

It's his job to promote the skyman idea. When they stop believing, he's out of a job.

[@2Uahoj]

You are right, Hitchens says the most ridiculous things yet manages to keep a straight face 🙂

[@alexcrocker5329]

@@2Uahoj i can only assume you’re referring to when he quotes the nonsense he listens too

[@2Uahoj]

@@alexcrocker5329 Yes, you are right, the pastor had to listen to a lot of nonsense here.

[@alexcrocker5329]

@@2Uahoj indeed he did, every time he opened his mouth.

[@patrickcollins7407]

Has anyone ever got the better of Hitch......or is that a silly question? Such a tragedy that we lost him - imperiously impressive and a wonderfully witty intellect. The pastor tells us God numbers the hairs on our head......say no more......ridiculous.

[@mccainisthroughX]

Perhaps a silly question, but no, no religious Kook had ever gotten the better of our friend Christopher, nor do religious Kooks ever get the better of any sane rational individuals, since, as matter of pure fact, religious Kooks only delude and fool themselves into believing their childish, largely murderous, man-made Dogmas. Be Well!

[@patrickcollins7407]

The sane non believers among posters here should watch the BBC doc "America's Hate Preachers on You Tube...... The comments from the extreme religious community are frightening......I never realised these kind of people existed......plenty to get your teach into. I would have loved to have seen Hitch get his teeth into the Arizona "preacher" Stephen Anderson..... It has been a relief to see sanity exists on this thread, but then of course most people here I am sure are big admirers of Chris Hitchins and don't support the fairy tale that is religion...

[@patrickcollins7407]

Mccain...... Have you noticed that the religious type invariable start their argument with words to the effect "because we know God exists"...... I think Hitch refers to it as circular thinking...... It would be interesting to hear an intellectual neutral's views.......however I guess that is almost a contradiction in terms....a few do exist, but I guess they are locked up in the Vatican spinning their web of deception for the masses......no pun intended.

[@mccainisthroughX]

Patrick Collins That's right, religious Kooks are delusional, and unable to focus on Reality, which has no room for silly, magically-generated, whimsical man-made Dogmas that self-righteously bow down to fake "gods" and other imaginary characters. Take it from our acquaintance Professor Stephen Hawking, who said, "The Scientific account is complete, theology is unnecessary." The idea of "gods" is so childish and ignorant, nobody with a lick of sense pays the silly man-made fables any mind. religions should be relegated to the fiction section of libraries, and all children should be taught from their very first learning experiences, that all "gods" are fake, man-made and a complete and utter waste of time. The self-righteousness of the common religious Kook is unrivaled by even the craziest of mental asylum patients. In USA, Our religious Kooks are so disturbed, self-righteous and hypocritical, they allege they are "pro-life," yet each and every one of them is ardently in favor of Guns, Wars and The Death Penalty. They are quite insane, and programmed to believe their hypocrisy is normal. Being religious is a mental disorder, and dangerous to Our whole planet, and all its inhabitants. Be Well!

[@patrickcollins7407]

Maybe you read in a previous thread - I am not sure if I even mentioned it though, but I had the pleasure of spending a little time with Stephen Hawking as an undergraduate when he went to lunch every Friday at the Graduate Center in Cambridge. I used to sneak in as the food there was really good compared to standard college fare. He had the same voice mechanism and really just looked like a younger version of himself now - he has aged rather well. I saw him a few years ago ambling down Kings Parade.....anyway you mentioned him as an acquaintance and so I wondered if you had a connection there....? I would not agree that being religious is a mental disorder.....there are millions of kind, caring individuals who are sane, but religious. They are just brain washed and never think the whole thing through. Personally I think in the US they should teach atheism in schools and let the kids make up their own minds. It is frightening to think that in some schools (perhaps even actual states...?) they don't teach evolution..... It is truly astonishing that such ignorance can arise and be tolerated in the modern western world, but then America is a very odd place. I should know, I have spend several years of my life there. Wonderful country though....and for the most part, good positive friendly folks....it is just the poison of religion that lets it down IMHO....

[@davidbelway6076]

Faith is the art of lying to yourself.

[@TonyEnglandUK]

Exactly. It's so much easier to point skyward and say _"An invisible entity up there did it all"_ than to do centuries of slow, hard, time-consuming scientific research. Religion is simply laziness of thought.

[@eensio]

Splendid realization. It includes also the religion: religion is the art of lying collectively to ourselves. And if 2 billion people believes nonsense, it is still nonsense. In real life there is two separate beliefs: the public and the intimate. The first is the faith which we are forced to.

[@Andy-hb3zp]

"Do you really believe that snakes could talk?" "Well we're animals" "Yes" "And we talk!"

[@mccainisthroughX]

Andy: Comical idiocy.

[@maroulio2067]

Why a logical syllogism cries, if it had tears.

[@2Uahoj]

Well, that went over your head - the pastor said that "tongue in cheek."

[@upturnedblousecollar5811]

@@2Uahoj Oh no no no he didn't. No he did not.

[@tomhenry595]

@@2Uahoj Nobody but nobody makes excuses like the religious.

[@anaperez5442]

If you need the threat of eternal torture to be a decent, good person... You're not a good person.

[@mccainisthroughX]

Ana Perez: Well said. Be Well!

[@the-chillian]

I love that moment of silence at 2:50, after Wilson says, "We're animals, and we talk!" It was such an utterly, vapidly, idiotic argument that there was absolutely nothing that anyone could possibly say in response to it.

[@TheComputec]

Creationists don't even acknowledge that we are animals so this guy isn't all bad I suppose

[@the-chillian]

TheComputec Not as bad as some, but he still exhibits a disturbing degree of paralogia.

[@MGC-XIII]

he didn't even answer the question! it's laughable, that is what it is Lytrigian -_-

[@twdjt6245]

LOL I was thinking the same thing and was expecting someone to do a face palm there lol. I sure did anyway.

[@JustinLCooper]

Lytrigian Paralogia: a reasoning disorder characterized by expression of illogical or delusional thoughts. it was worth looking up. What a handy word. I think we all suffer from this to some degree or another, but I suspect that some make more of an effort to combat it internally. Well Said. Thank You.

[@directtalk1]

Talking snakes? Sure. Now go put your helmet and lifejacket on and play with your crayons.

[@ginge82]

If frightens me that in 2015 we have adults that take religious texts literally and both live their lives by those man made texts but also want to force them upon others. It is beyond sad and disheartening.

[@DeicideMetalDemon]

ginge82 I agree. Even when I wait for the bus there's idiotic adults that go around passing out religious pamphlets and stuff. I don't like drama so what I do is take it and be nice to them and then I crumple it up and recycle it.

[@TheMASDrummer]

Natural selection; they will he gone soon. Unfortunately, they will keep popping up in countries of poverty instead.

[@InAMinMaths]

No good news to report from 2023. Someone called me a few days ago to tell me the earth was flat. Why are ‘they’ lying to us? Because ‘they’ are trying to hide god.

[@_____case]

"I don't think it *is* self evident that you shouldn't murder." Dear God.

[@Ericwvb2]

When you're a toddler and another toddler hits you, that's what when you grasp the golden rule and ethics. No need for any book of myths.

[@toddberkely6791]

​@@Ericwvb2 not really thats when i hit them back. endless blood feuds seem to be a pretty primordial state of humanity

[@Ericwvb2]

@@toddberkely6791 Knowing something is wrong is separate from doing the right thing. I think most Americans know you should eat well & exercise & keep your weight down but if you look at the statistics most aren't doing that.

[@toddberkely6791]

I just disagree that many things we take for granted as distinct good and bad are not self evident and were instead taught to us at a very young age and that this code of morality (as opposed to ethics) has developed over a very long time and is relative to history, culture and context. I think Hitchkins assertion that at least the important parts of ethics are self evident is just wrong and can be proven wrong through anthropology. I am not christian, I was not even raised christian, both my parents are very secular but the reality is that enlightenment values developed OUT OF christianity, not opposed to it...thus this model of western atheism that was so popular 10 years ago and less now, of a "pure" mind liberated from religion into a state of objectivism... is fantasy. Its obviously very politically incorrect to say that certain immoral actions are not self evidently immoral but that is just the case, since all morality is learned.

[@CCP_Operative]

Dear Zeus, Shiva, Allah ....

[@nyxxie023]

The pastor seems really nervous, he's almost stuttering. He recognizes when there is someone vastly more intelligent in the room.

[@JoEEll2233]

That's what happened to Hitchens when he met God.

[@nyxxie023]

David McCaig Only in your wet dreams.

[@JoEEll2233]

nyxxie023 Please tell me that's not the best you can do?

[@nyxxie023]

David McCaig I wasn't trying to perform, dude. It was an observational comment. If you can't handle a simple comment, maybe that's a reflection of yourself.

[@TerryGanusVSIDOVastOne]

nyxxie023

[@itsmejereb]

I F-ing love how at 2:46 Douglas Wilson thought he had made an aha moment, then Hitchens barged in and destroyed the moment completely for him when he mentioned how earlier Christianity did not believe we had anything to do with animals haha

[@avishekparui4677]

How I miss Hitchens and that erudite, classy, confident voice!

[@paulrichards6894]

RIP hitch

[@Linda-pg3so]

Agree.

[@hughiegreene2991]

Me too. RIP x

[@donnewton7858]

"The burden of proof is on you for disagreeing with my premise..." Classic hypocritical theologist.

[@2Uahoj]

Not really. The burden of proof is on the one beginning the assertion - whether on the atheist side or the deist.

[@donnewton7858]

@@2Uahoj Yeah that's my point. He's trying to shift the burden and make you explain why you're wrong. It's circular logic.

[@tomhenry595]

@@donnewton7858 Don't waste your time on @2Uahoj . He spams every page of this type try to prove a point that don't exist.

[@joemiller7082]

@@2Uahojthere is only one assertion here. That some kind of god exist. The burden of proof lies on THAT. Hitchens position was VERY clear. He stated that he cannot be certain, but that the evidence for a god is insufficient as it doesn’t disprove other hypotheses.

[@starfishsystems]

​@@joemiller7082 Exactly. And this becomes especially clear if we imagine the range of possible discussions that would ensue if the god definition were removed. Atheism is a response to the claim that a god exists. Without a definition, the claim is either absent or meaningless, and the position of atheism has no potential to be activated as a specific response. But note that it is still a valid position. I mean, an atheist could continue to say "I'm not convinced that a god exists" and this would be logically coherent even if what is meant by god has never been defined. No one should be convinced that an undefined ANYTHING exists. Either way, the position of not being convinced makes no existential claims, has no definitions, and carries no burden of proof. The only point at which a burden of proof emerges is either when a god is claimed to exist, or when a claim is made that a god does not exist. And both of these claims must first introduce some definition for what is meant by a "god." That task usually falls to the theist, who often produces something unworkable or silly, but an atheist who makes a positive claim that "there is no god" had better be prepared to define what "god" means.

[@WitchidWitchid]

Not only did Hitchens put this pastor down cold, the woman who was hosting the show slapped him down as well.

[@KONAMAN100]

She must of attended some prior Hitchins slap them down masterclasses.

[@kmvoss]

This pastor's logic and demeanor is child-like. About a three or a four year old's reasoning.

[@TonyEnglandUK]

lol his body language is basically screaming _"I'm bluffing, I hope you don't notice"_

[@MrSaemichlaus]

"I needed to get spanked" The words of a victim so utterly lost that they will defend their perpetrator to get closure by locking themselves in with a false model of reality.

[@jccoolidge9176]

BEHAR: "You don't believe that snakes talk, do you?" WILSON: "We're animals and we talk." Crickets .... How does anyone have the patience to sit through this boob's gibberish?

[@jcs1025]

Joy and Hitch - shouldn’t even waste your breath. The “pastor’s” logic is at a 3rd grade level, and he obviously isn’t capable of having a rational discussion on these topics. RIP Hitch. You are greatly missed.

[@MrExcessum]

Look at the pastors eyes. He's terryfied. Why? Why would he be so firmly resolved to stand his ground, and close his eyes to the obvious reality? What so scary about admiting, theres no higher power but I will be a good person none the less. There is no afterlife, it sucks, but thats nature. End of story. Whats so scary about something as simple as that?! The pastor is in such a deep state of denial, that it feels like trying to teach trigonometry to a wall.

[@DennisMHenderson]

@@MrExcessum you seem like one of those mnkys that gouged its own I's out. are you from compton?

[@upturnedblousecollar5811]

I felt sorry for the pastor. You can tell by his body language and facial expressions that even he isn't buying what he's saying.

[@shmelvinsunderoos809]

That's an insult to most third graders.

[@Soupdragon1964]

I'm happy to listen to an argument for Christianity, but anyone who believes literally in the Old Testament is clearly deranged. The Pastor lost the argument before the debate even began.

[@caeserromero3013]

He's convinced me. I don't believe Henry Ford ever existed 😂😂

[@raysonraypay5885]

Universe had a beginning. Don’t cling to atheism, it gives no justification for right and wrong

[@weewee2169]

@@raysonraypay5885 how do you know the universe has a beginning? also im atheist and i have plenty if justification for right and wrong - whereas you do things because you are told to - which is ridiculous

[@jamesmcbeth4463]

Do you believe in Toyota?

[@caeserromero3013]

@@jamesmcbeth4463 I'm agnostic about Toyota...Matchbox would be my go to car manufacturer...or maybe Hot Wheels....

[@Ho-mb2wb]

@@weewee2169 science has told us that the universe started existing 13.8 billion years ago

[@sallysmith920]

Christopher Hitchens researched his topic - he read many more religious books than most people who say they are religious, do.

[@user-fb2jb3gz1d]

Hitchens has no clue to what any religion actually believes. You're just so ignorant you believe he knows his shit

[@deanronson6331]

Religionists don't need anything else but their "sacred" book, which they think is more and more convincing the more passages of it they memorize. It is comforting not to have to think for yourself and struggle with the nonsense and contradictions of the Bible when you can swallow it hook, line, and sinker and even make money doing it.

[@user-fb2jb3gz1d]

@@deanronson6331 I'm christian, and I'm nothing like you say a religionist is. I dont run away from reality, I don't allow someone else to think for me. There are some religious nuts who are like that, but the majority of them are not that way. It's ridiculous to assume all religious people are like those few religious nuts. You're a moron if you think that.

[@makenna88]

"I can't avail myself of the almost beautiful circularity of pastor wilson's argument" - I just love him.

[@nealfager8126]

Christopher Hitchens, The Most Well Read and Well Spoken Person in Any Room!

[@user-fb2jb3gz1d]

He knows nothing of what any religion actually believes.

[@Thragginit]

@@user-fb2jb3gz1d he knows they believe in unproved fairytales

[@Mojo16011973]

she is excellent. you can tell Hitch appreciates how she handles the discussion.

[@meruditex8856]

I envy the pastor for having the privilege to speak with Hitchens, even though it was to humiliate himself.

[@ChrisCatton]

Although the pastor clearly has the intellect of a 5-year-old, at least he is a polite man who doesn't constantly interrupt Hitch. Overall a very calm and respectful debate, even if Hitchens is clearly 110 % right about everything he says.

[@waltmagic]

+Christopher Catton Yep...and he'll smile and shake my hand and at the same time believe I should burn in hell for all eternity...I'd rather have someone be an asshole rather than piss on my back and tell me it's raining...I think the pastor is a piece of shit

[@bigmarty11288]

+Walter M That's not wrong either, but I still can't hate the pastor.

[@Hesheli27]

im willing to bet he's more educated than you're

[@warshipsatin8764]

@@waltmagic no christian i know wants anyone to go to hell

[@gleanerman2195]

@@warshipsatin8764 BUT THEY DO LOVE TO CONDEM YOU TO HELL.

[@teachoc9482]

Thanks, Joy. You did a good job and were fair and kept the pace of conversation quick and lively.

[@whirled_peas]

"We're animals, and we talk!" left me speechless.

[@matthewlane]

Making you an animal that doesn't speak.

[@whirled_peas]

Sorta the joke.

[@louistournas120]

samthepoor: Not that I believe in any god but if there is one or two, it would be a super genius. What would a super genius do with some guy like this reverand who doesn't understand anything and just has blind faith? I think if your god is a genius, he expects the same from you. But then again, there is no commandment to go out and do research/science, no commandment to go to school, no commandment to be a genius. It seems the jewish god has set the bar really low on the intelligence scale.