Christopher Hitchens and Movie Critics on "Passion of the Christ" (2004)

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[@Tupelo927]

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[@dirtyharrydefeatsislamblmt6900]

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[@pieter5466]

Does anyone else notice how the participants are not yelling at each other, and having a civilized discussion? As opposed to modern cable news.

[@uyuyuy99]

that's only because they more-or-less agree on the subject, you can find plenty of yelling and interrupting on these old shows

[@1080lights]

This kind of discussion is commonplace on cable news. It’s the yelling that makes headlines and gets useless idiots bandwagoning on this hackneyed, empty complaint.

[@tinkymcginnis]

did you notice how theyre not yelling at each other because they all agree with each other. What's wrong with you? We're even paying attention? 😅

[@mwfmtnman]

@@uyuyuy99 show me ONE example where on Charlie Rose's show where people are yelling. You can't.

[@uyuyuy99]

@@mwfmtnman you're responding to something i said like 3 years ago you weirdo

[@92baynrw]

Hitchens is such an incredible orator. He can pull the perfect word and the perfect phrase without pause. Such a fluid intelligent speaker.

[@Hexon66]

Agreed, always a strength of his. But, I'd have to say, Denby gets the concision prize with the "It's essentially a 2 hour snuff film." Though Hitchens' remark about appealing to the gay Christian sadomasochistic niche market is peak Hitch.

[@DaenerysStormborn-cw5ws]

He also PRACTICED a lot. If you watch a lot of his stuff, you can see him work on his patter before various audiences to get it just right. But that doesn't take away from his brilliance at all. I'm sure Mark Twain did too. And how wonderful in this age of nasal whiners to hear that gorgeous voice!

[@GregoryAlanBaileygamereviews]

im the same way when im angry and have caffeine

[@christianamericandominican2470]

Romans 1:22 “Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,”

[@BIGFAMILIA7]

what a waste of great brain cells...he lived devoted to denying his creator whilst promoting 'critical thinking' he only managed to entice and motivate folk to search and study the Bible and ultimately accept Jesus as their personal Saviour. God used Christopher for His own purpose. Sadly to his last breath he chose not to accept the truth of God and the Bible.

[@megandunklin6147]

I remember watching this on a Friday during opening week back in 2004 when I was 14 and seeing 9 year olds at my theater. As a 14 year I was traumatised by this film, and just utterly shocked that parents would choose this as a family movie night but wouldn't let their kids watch and grow up with any of the Harry Potter films

[@longmemory1620]

@Teun de Heer did you hear what Mel Gibson did to Nancy Meyers

[@longmemory1620]

Nancy Meyers gave What Women Want the hottest script in hollywood to mel gibson and he thanked her by pretending she was being stalked he terrorized her

[@Levi-hd5db]

@Teun de Heer what are talking about?

[@thisdrinkinglife]

yeah and quite rightly too, harry potter ffs, tsk

[@Calciu_EOC]

You were 14 and traumatised by this film? what a puss

[@Mark73]

"Sadomasochism... In the less attractive sense of that word" I love this man. The world became poorer when we lost him.

[@SuperScratch1]

Precisely so !

[@grassabrutta]

much much poorer

[@darrylschultz9395]

Poorer az!

[@AgeismGoesBothWays]

I saw it in theaters unfortunately. My eyes were closed most the time as I recall. Mel's got issues.

[@blurredlenzpictures3251]

It's a shame he's incorrect.

[@perlefisker]

This is a strangely serious televised debate of high quality. It's seems to belong to a completely other era.

[@babagalacticus]

you mean before the bloom went off the 'rose'.... 😳😹🌹🤔😂. but seriously, serious debates of high quality are all around us every day; just ignore the vulgarians & mendacious mental midgets & you'll find them.

[@chelseapoet3664]

It.does. Smartphones and Twitter changed everything, facilitating an addiction to vicious and often anonymous attack.

[@aliensoup2420]

I've never understood the notion of blaming the Jews for the death of Christ. If Jesus did not die in the manner that is portrayed in the Gospels, there would be no Christian salvation. It had to happen in the manner reflective of the Jewish sacrificial laws. Christians should be thanking the Jews. But people are idiots, and can't resist killing each other over a book of myths and fairy tales.

[@itomba]

It’s almost like they missed the whole point! Shocking!

[@fishjj76]

That's an interesting point that I'd never considered before. Can you give me any more details?

[@ibelieveitcauseiseentit9630]

No we shouldn't be thanking the Jews, we shouldn't be blaming them either. But certainly not thanking them, thank only God.

[@MrSeedi76]

Besides - it wasn't the Jews who killed him but the Romans.

[@vincomortem]

The Jewish leaders who offered up Christ to be killed commit the sin of deicide. They killed God. This was motivated by malice and hatred. You should not thank them. God used the evil of the Jewish leaders to bring about the sacrifice of Christ and the sanctification of humanity, but that doesn’t mean the Jews did a good thing. Christ did a good thing. God did a good thing.

[@davidborrowdale8196]

I didn't watch that movie ,but I love life of Brian.

[@theseustoo]

A much better and philosophically far more profound movie!

[@robbieg4700]

@@theseustoo absolutely. and every bit as true. which is to say, not at all in either case.

[@bigverybadtom]

Actually I found that movie boring and forced. Passion of the Christ showed actual history.

[@robbieg4700]

@@bigverybadtom 🤣🤣

[@bigverybadtom]

@@robbieg4700 All the smilies cannot prove you right and me wrong. The Passion of the Christ showed real history, like it or not. Deal.

[@punt0028]

I find it interesting that people are outraged by a movie, but wear torture devices hanging by a chain around their neck.

[@mwfmtnman]

I always find it telling that they wear a torture device as their symbol.

[@MarkoDeLaVoota]

for you is a torture device for others sign of salvation, your opinion vs. believers

[@punt0028]

@@MarkoDeLaVoota , Yeah right. I bet Jesus wore it with pride.

[@janedagger]

One is propaganda from an obviously highly racist and hateful, religious nut with wet dreams of extreme violence towards other people, and the other is accessories you wear. A dog collar isn't trying to turn you into a chalkie, christian, fanatic who wants to kill everyone he doesn't want in his neighborhood.

[@hater2764]

​@@MarkoDeLaVoota Jesus: Let me in Man: Why? Jesus: Because I want to save you Man: From what? Jesus: From what I will do to you when you won't let me in!

[@chrissilver7719]

Much prefer Terry Gilliam's version.

[@aliensoup2420]

Terry Gilliam did not direct The Life of Brian.

[@petersanders2815]

@@aliensoup2420 yes but still it was more historically accurate. I mean, lm sure there must have been a biggus dickus there somewhere, yet Mel doesnt mention him at all!

[@pommiebears]

@@petersanders2815 what about an incontinentia buttocks? 😂

[@scipioafricanus5871]

@@petersanders2815 Mel didn't want to be sent to gladiator school.

[@stevencoardvenice]

Fear and loathing?

[@RobVespa]

Mr. Hitchens, your absence has left a void in this world. A world, which, with your passing, grew somewhat dimmer.

[@bluedog562]

It is amazing to think he’s in hell now. What a rude awakening for Hitchens.

[@EricGasner73]

@@bluedog562 hErP dErP.

[@tryingtobefairandobjective3480]

@@bluedog562 Tell me. Where is "hell mentioned in your Bible? Where is the Trinity mentioned in your Bible? These concepts were brought hundred of years later by men wanting to lead churches for the material gains they an possess. Please. Understand the difference between Theology and Historical fact. You sorely need education.

[@terrymckenzie8786]

@@bluedog562😂 Time to open your days, and quit fearing a lake of fire where your burn for ever and ever😂

[@alricthered226]

@@bluedog562 : That was a ridiculously, and hilariously, stupid comment. If you can only see yourself the way healthy, intelligent people see you. You poor lost boy.

[@arriuscalpurniuspiso]

Hitchens is dearly missed

[@arriuscalpurniuspiso]

@Reinhold Binder Christian?

[@arriuscalpurniuspiso]

@Reinhold Binder Christ said to love your enemy. Is that not true?

[@LegionHimself]

Nope

[@arriuscalpurniuspiso]

@@LegionHimself another dutiful believer in the fictional character Jesus?

[@arriuscalpurniuspiso]

@@LegionHimself you are commanded by Jesus to love your enemy. Let's hear that love Ric

[@jsnagra1able]

Passion was an anti Jew hit piece by Gibson.

[@zackspaulding]

And it was brilliant.👍

[@TimSimms7]

Twenty years on, the points they’re making are all too chilling. That sense of physical suffering as spiritual experience is showing itself en force today.

[@allrise3056]

When I lie dying, I’ll think of my parents, President Abraham Lincoln, Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr., Christopher Hitchens and the Television Painter, Bob Ross. They went through this thing called death, as well. Whether there’s anything or not after I die, I’ll know that they went through it too. That gives me all the comfort I need. That and some good Pain Management. Watch, I’ll get hit by a car with neither thought nor opiates. 😢

[@spider-man9118]

Well, there’s kind of an afterlife (heaven and hell) I hope you know where you’re going

[@margaretocallaghan3631]

Well said!

[@dreadfulspiller8766]

​@@spider-man9118 Everyone goes to heaven.

[@spider-man9118]

@@dreadfulspiller8766???

[@pommiebears]

@@spider-man9118 I think life is hell. It’s where you can feel pain, physically, and emotionally. You feel happiness, only to know it won’t last forever. You lose those you love, a hurt so badly, you think the pain will never fade. You grapple with risks, that voice that tells you to push the limits, knowing it could hurt you. You make mistakes, only to regret them forever. If there is a hell….you’re in it.

[@D45VR]

'The Life of Brian' is much more historically accurate.

[@terrymckenzie8786]

😂

[@babagalacticus]

oh, that biopic about brian bosworth or that other one about brian wilson? i can never keep them straight....🤓

[@luisruiz9169]

99

[@jameslucena1020]

​@@babagalacticusBrian Eno

[@TheTakbok]

😂

[@howardjohnson1478]

I miss Hitchens! What a great mind!

[@scipioafricanus5871]

I know, Hitchens really redeemed himself on his deathbed when he converted to the One True Catholic Faith.

[@howardjohnson1478]

@@scipioafricanus5871 Didn't happen, my friend.

[@BrandonFuller-kw3gv]

​@@scipioafricanus5871 you fucking wish

[@merrickying4264]

@@scipioafricanus5871 THAT is as much a LIE as the story that Charles Darwin did the same thing. In the Catholic Church, telling lies is a sin. Run along to Confession little Catholic, before a bishop gets you!

[@merrickying4264]

Christopher Hitchens was a giant. I miss him terribly, but I'm also so grateful that he left us such a vast multi-media archive of his writing, opinions, literature reviews, speeches, debates, tv appearances, friendships, and humor. He was a Humanist whose everlasting final words to us (in my opinion) are "THINK FOR YOURSELF."

[@Zero_Point_Energy1]

The same people who brought their young children to repeated screenings of that snuff film are now getting laws passed that prohibit parents from taking their children to story time if it’s read by a man in a dress.

[@pommiebears]

I don’t believe anyone actually died. And, although I’m not religious, I don’t want a man in a dress reading to my children. Drag is adult entertainment, WITHOUT DOUBT, so why do these men want to read to children? Why? I grew up next door to a wonderful drag queen, Freddie. He hated us seeing him in full drag, and had absolutely no need to read to us in drag. My parents used to go and watch him perform, and the reason I never saw him perform? Because I was a child and he had no interest in allowing us in on the vulgarity of his performance. No man in a dress will be reading to my kids….ever.

[@Zero_Point_Energy1]

@@pommiebears I disagree with a lot of what you said, but I think there’s an important point that should be made. You have the right not to take your kids to any show you don’t like, that’s for sure. But, what’s going on is that the government is deciding for parents what it right for them, and taking away freedom of speech. Who in the government gets to decide who is in drag and who isn’t - that’s what I wonder about. Is someone doing Shakespeare in the original style with male actors playing women’s roles breaking the law if a kid is in the audience? How about Monty Python? Is a man in a skirt in drag? No Scottish men in kilts, I guess. How about a man in makeup? That would disqualify a lot of our politicians. I think the larger point is, we’re enduring a lot of hardship for the sake of the 2nd Amendment, with kids dying regularly. But when it comes to the first amendment, the government is ready to step in and ban speech and just take away an individual’s right to make their own decision.

[@bpitch1071]

Choosing to take your kids to this movie would be in my opinion, bad parenting, but to compare it to what public schools are doing in the name of diversity makes no sense. 🤫

[@smadaf]

Wow! Remember when television discussion was watchable? I'm glad to have lived through it, and deplore what it has fallen to.

[@cozykace]

Inane hectic babble catches attention and sells more ad space than truly intelligent human connection 😢

[@brandonkylemarks]

Still shocked that a charismatic interviewer like Rose ended up being a clumsy pervert. Always thought the table should've kept going with new host

[@falconeshield]

I blame KZbin for that. All can set up a podcast now. Not just educated people

[@ardalla535]

This film has no more reality than a King Arthur movie. There was no King Arthur. It's a literary fiction.

[@marleeglenn1945]

But there is a King Jesus. It's amazing to me that in this day and age with all this information available, that some people still deny his existence. You can deny His deity all you want but Jesus did walk on this Earth and that is a historical fact.

[@louishart6725]

Is it just me or did the world get dumber after Christopher Hitchens left it?

[@mikebarnett5246]

Sadly, I think you are right. 😔

[@das-9962]

The most traumatizing thing to happen to catholic school boys since priests

[@uncatila]

What a bigoted statement

[@das-9962]

@@uncatila tell that to the victims

[@deanodog3667]

@@das-9962 some consented !!

[@mwfmtnman]

@Patrick Fealy give me a break, there are over a thousand years of evidence that the church and its cult leaders are scum.

[@francesrobinson1335]

​@@deanodog3667 Children cannot, legally, consent to having sex. Don't blame children for what criminal, sadistic clergy did to them.

[@bombonalvarez3802]

Christopher Hitchens was right on the money!

[@MakeSomeNoisePlaylists]

money deosnt exists. Its an idea, like religion....got it mate ?

[@sspbrazil]

He usually was

[@pulmon66]

Not with a worldwide gross of $622,3m on a budget of US$30m. His recommendation was for PEOPLE not to watch it. So he was totally off. In fact, and you of all people should know this, Hitchens was good for his same 100,000 followers, the same ones who bought his books, But compare that with the 100 million cinema tickets sold worldwide by Gibson, for this movie alone, it is understood. He could never be a film critic, even less when having such an inferiority complex towards everyone he disliked. It would have amused me to see Hitchens telling Gibson anything, face to face, but now he is gone....

[@sspbrazil]

@@pulmon66 Hitchens was still on the money about Gibson and the film though, people will eat up any sensationalized BS and that’s why the film did so well.

[@pulmon66]

@@sspbrazil yes, of course... LOL

[@cruelty6368]

When I was in Catholic school in the seventies, we were taught about the passion and crucifixion of Christ with graphic descriptions that were identical to what Gibson showed in the movie. And I was left wondering, as the men on Charlie Rose's panel seem to also wonder, what is the point of all this? There is no point to any of it.

[@donthesitatebegin9283]

Torture porn.

[@chloegrobler4275]

its like a kind of victim mentality. look how my team has suffered and so on...

[@diroupaz5995]

The point was to save humanity from eternal death

[@cruelty6368]

@@diroupaz5995 And how is that accomplished by telling fifth-graders made-up stories about fictional people being horrifically brutalized?

[@kdmdlo]

Well, I think the point is that God loves you more than you can imagine ... enough so that He would come here and endure horrific pain, simply to atone for your mistakes. That is a great message, it seems to me.

[@g26s239]

Jesus was temporarily inconvenienced for your sins.

[@bluelagoon228]

girl WHAT

[@ElectricAlien577]

@@bluelagoon228 Id take jesus' place any day. He was GOD. Came down and had a really bad day. Died. Came back to life. And then became the LITERAL GOD OF THE UNIVERSE again. Compared to an eternity of absolute power over all of creation, it was a bad weekend, with no lasting consequences. Compared to the suffering that millions of humans experience over a lifetime, Jesus had a bad weekend. He sacrificed himself to himself, to serve as a loophole to rules that he created.

[@tuomasmattila283]

Thats quite right! He did he's Job...and get he's salery! But in The other hand God had Job to do..and He send He's son to do IT!

[@ericclaeyborn3600]

​@@ElectricAlien577 You're all talk. You would have thought differently, as soon as the Roman soldiers started pulling the beard off your face, and then, there's the whip that would rip the flesh off your back.. 39 lashes. Jesus was continuously mocked, and the soldiers made a crown of thorns for His head. And then, once He got to Mt. Calvary, He was laid on the cross, and His feet were nailed to the cross with 9 inch square spikes, and so were His wrists (not hands), and then the cross was slammed into the ground, where all His weight went down on the nails. After that, Jesus was still tortured for the next 6 hours with no water to drink, but was offered some drugged wine so that He could endure the pain better, but He refused to drink it after tasting it. As for having a bad weekend, or a bad day, when Jesus took to the streets to preach the gospel, He had no place to lay His head, and His mode of transportation was only His legs for at least three years. It pleased Him to do His Father's will, even to the death on the cross. You would have up before you walked to your first town. Jesus was the sacrifice for our sins, and because of that, Jesus was separated from God the Father for the first time ever, which He dreaded more than the crucifixion itself. All of our sins were placed on Jesus, which caused the Father to turn His back on Jesus for the first time. Isaiah 53 gives us a picture of the sorrowful ministry that Jesus had... *"Who has believed our report? And to whom has the arm of the Lord been revealed? For He shall grow up before Him as a tender plant, and as a root out of dry ground. He has no form or comeliness; and when we see Him, there is no beauty that we should desire Him. He is despised and rejected by men, a Man of sorrows and acquainted with grief. And we hid, as it were, our faces from Him; He was despised, and we did not esteem Him. Surely He has borne our griefs and carried our sorrows; yet we esteemed Him stricken, smitten by God, and afflicted. But He was wounded for our transgressions, He was bruised for our iniquities; the chastisement for our peace was upon Him, and by His stripes we are healed. All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned, every one, to his own way; and the Lord has laid on Him the iniquity of us all. He was oppressed and He was afflicted, yet He opened not His mouth; He was led as a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before its shearers is silent, so He opened not His mouth. He was taken from prison and from judgment, and who will declare His generation? For He was cut off from the land of the living; for the transgressions of My people He was stricken. And they made His grave with the wicked- but with the rich at His death, because He had done no violence, nor was any deceit in His mouth."*

[@punt0028]

@@ericclaeyborn3600 lol

[@popmedia709]

I love how it keeps panning round and basically everyone is saying how much they hate the movie 😂😂

[@bigverybadtom]

It's called an echo chamber. Echo chambers are boring.

[@strangemolars]

​@@bigverybadtom Weird, for me It was amusing. Sometimes things are just awful and people agree on It.

[@bigverybadtom]

@@strangemolars It's still boring to hear everyone agree.

[@strangemolars]

@@bigverybadtom Or... its still amusing.

[@bigverybadtom]

@@strangemolars Talk about easily amused.

[@Hume2012]

The "Holy Ghost" directed this? That explains why it is such horseshit then.

[@borrburison648]

Be careful boy

[@markymark7803]

It got massive profits and did well. The film was pretty good unlike your life.

[@jonathangarmuth8975]

The holy ghost does casting like Harvey Weinstein

[@andu1854]

@@markymark7803 yeah if you like watching a man get the crap beat out of him, snuff films are nifty

[@markymark7803]

@@andu1854 It's not a snuff film, you don't know what one is. So are films about holocaust snuff films too according to you?

[@TheSmsawyer]

I remember being a high school student around this time. The speaker was a holocaust survivor and after too many dumb questions I asked her, "right now there are groups planning on seeing The Passion in theaters. The Anti-Defamation League has called this film anti-Semitic. what are your views?" She spent the good part of 30 minutes of question time railing on Mel Gibson and the Catholic Church. Boos and hisses from students and one teacher. What do you know, the guy is a giant anti-semite.

[@thesprawl2361]

Massively so. Got it from his father, who is an utter catholic psychopath.

[@TheSmsawyer]

@@thesprawl2361 Ya, they reject Vatican 2 which is really far-right. Vatican 2 was a statement saying the church no longer blamed the Jews for killing Christ and for some reason, the Gibson family took offense to it.

[@thesprawl2361]

@@TheSmsawyer "for some reason" Lol, yes, I think we know the reason. It makes me nauseous seeing how comfortably he's managed to rehabilitate himiself in Hollywood. Weird, given that Hollywood is 'run by the Jews'.

[@Earthtime3978]

But why deny what the Jews in power of that period did to Jesus . He was stoned by them and they were mob like in saying he was an insurrectionist . You can’t cut out the biblical facts. What I didn’t like is how he made Pilate excessively sympathetic to Jesus.

[@thesprawl2361]

@@Earthtime3978 Jesus was Jewish ffs. And it's a fairy tale. No-one who was there at the time wrote anything down - it all came out many decades later and has been rejigged and edited and erased over and over again over two thousand years.

[@carylibby8282]

Randall Wallace said when discussing his screenplay for "Braveheart" "I never let facts get in the way of a good story." Mel Gibson really took those words to heart when directing "Passion of the Christ."

[@john_mckinney]

As anybody does when making a movie based on biblical stories

[@derekardito2032]

Brave heart, the patriot, 5he passion of the Christ, Mel Gibson and factuality hardly go hand in hand.

[@QnA22]

I don't get it, you think the Bible is fact?

[@kosys5338]

@@QnA22 Exactly! I was going to say what facts? We're not dealing with facts hear so not sure how they are going to get in the way of anything. When it comes to religions facts have been replaced with willful ignorance. I agree, the bible and it's stories are fiction and so are the gods they worship.

[@ryans756]

@@QnA22 The Bible is clearly an interpretation of facts by people who were there at the time (probably well-meaning, albeit delusional, people). So there's some truth to the Bible but also, in all realistic probability, a lot of myth as well. Chill out.

[@timjones147]

Imagine living in a time with no answers. The mind can think up anything to answer those questions.

[@theesteviefranchise458]

In times of darkness, the wise will follow the blind, but in times of light that logic becomes absurdity

[@agubata1]

A time or world bereft of answers presumes a time or world bereft of questions. This is some category of fallacy

[@tor5457]

We lived in such a world for many thousands of years and the mind did just that.

[@loganleatherman7647]

@Tor Strasburg Which is not only how we ended up with religion in general, but thousands of contradictory religions who all claim(ed) exclusive rights to the truth.

[@someyoungguyjohnson7239]

We still live in that time, just with a tiny bit more light.

[@mauryhan]

"An incitement to sadomasochism in the less attractive sense of that word" The world is so much poorer without the erudite wit of Christopher Hitchens. It makes me sad that there is no afterlife where I can go and listen to him speak.

[@ZaydDepaor]

there is an afterlife where you can suffer with your degenerate, brainless, lying idol who continuously grovelled to his masters.

[@mrzedlyt]

don't worry, you and he will meet again.

[@mauryhan]

@@mrzedlyt Prove that assertion.

[@Morningstack]

"If you strike me down, I shall become more powerful than you can possibly imagine" -Jesus in Episode IV before becoming a 20th level Cleric Lich

[@ronthorn3]

Lol

[@DGE123]

only hit by +3 or better weapons!

[@vincentmanion7990]

Blasphemer! 😯

[@migduh]

“Boring, sadistic, and lurid in equal measure.” Hitch never fails to deliver a kickass quote every time he speaks on air.

[@nymike06]

The filmed turned out to be a top grossing film of all-time and impactful. Gibson gets the last laugh.

[@gevansmd1]

Not am impressive string of words by any measure.

[@NaturaBreeze]

you expect Hitch to say something good about religion? even if the film was a masterpiece...

[@trilliarobinson7862]

My one enduring memory of watching the film was the character of Mary. Yes, it was lurid, violent, horrid - but given the storyline, hardly a surprise. But watching Mary see her son being attacked and eventually killed in such a brutal manner, was the most heart-wrenching theme of the film. For me.

[@boysilver2556]

More important is he points out the fascistic nature of the film and production. And he shines light on Mel Gibson's anti-Semitic behaviour years before the events that took place. He's a prophet and a poet.

[@Cleapatr]

Someone should tell the story of the thousands of slaves and Jews etc. Who were crucified and not just the one who was invented by the Flavians

[@shibbystix2]

I also went and saw it as a young teen with my family. It was monstrous. Everyone in the theater were weeping openly. And of course we should be, we werent watching an unbelievable crazy hack/slash film, we believed we were witnessing the truth of all Jesus did for us. I remember being traumatized for weeks afterwards. I remember listening to the sermon from the pastor the week before, warning everyone about the graphic nature of the film, but imparting to us why it was "IMPORTANT that we see it, to fully internalize the horror of what jesus went through for us" This was collective emotional abuse on a worldwide scale

[@GrrmPleaseWrite]

Emotional abuse? To show the truth of what Jesus suffered? I think he went through a bit worse of an abuse. His torture and death are crucial to understanding the importance of his sacrifice and resurrection. I’m not saying this movie is required viewing for Christians, but Gibson deserves a lot of credit for capturing the meaning of Christian faith in a way that had never been done in any form of media besides the Bible itself.

[@shibbystix2]

@Bibidoboppa no. It's not "the truth" to show a 3 hour snuff film under the guise of "christianity" Christianity has made no greater claims than the followers of Zeus. They're just more recent. We think its ridiculous to believe in Zeus because it's outdated. It's time the rest of the Myths die too. Then maybe we'll stop foisting torture porn on kids under the guise of "your God did this so you'd better love him"

[@J0sh351]

Mel Gibson downplayed what they did to Jesus, This movie copped it because it Paints Jews in a bad light, that's it. Cant criticize whom rules over you, especially Hollywood, Media. It was a massive success, these peoples slander did nothing.

[@bartlettbigx]

If you watch the clip above you'll note that there is unanimity among the participants that far from being "the truth" as you put it, the film is full of historical inaccuracy and falsification.

[@ShmirchikArt]

@@GrrmPleaseWrite you demonstrate classical Christian mentality, which is vi0lent nonsensical, and a religion of hate,

[@mechanix1228]

I miss mel gibson as Riggs and mad max not as the crazy religious guy.

[@blacknwhitearmytoontoon8584]

"Never let the truth get in the way of a good yarn" The Great Chopper Reid

[@jaykraft9523]

thank goodness 3 out of the 4 (clued in) guests called this movie out for the trash it was and is

[@rashaunwilliams6121]

I saw the movie it was definitely not trash

[@jaykraft9523]

I lump you in with the 4th guy

[@alinedavis213]

Absolutely disgusting movie. Just a bloodbath! No mention of Jesus message. Never again will I watch a Gibson movie.

[@Ken-fh4jc]

Sorry for the spoiler, but Jesus dies in the end.

[@MrMustangMan]

yes but gets resurrected.!!!!

[@dawnvickerstaff]

I saw this movie and frankly, I cannot remember any part of it coherently. It's as if my mind erased it. This is not a usual part of my experience with memory or with movies. Generally, I remember the plot, and actors as well as memorable scenes. But not this movie. I am thankful for that. What I do remember is that seeing it cemented a dislike for Mel Gibson that had never interfered with my enjoyment of his films before but certainly does now. There is an underlying 'ick' factor that just simply puts me off. Whether that is a holdover from this film or something else, I don't know. I don't really care to examine the feeling, nor will I ever willingly go to see another Mel Gibson film, produced, directed, or acted.

[@nicemovies99]

Lmao the guy at 21:15 imagine being this off. No audience he says. 30 million budget. 612 million box office.

[@giovannimannelli2158]

True,Caravaggio even depicted a man with his hed (Caravggio's one)in his hand,but not depicted Jesus like Gibson did

[@susankelly5695]

Oh I so Christopher Hitchens was alive today! His intellect and common sense was unsurpassed.

[@joevignolor4u949]

I liked your comment but I think you left out the word "wish" between "so" and "Christopher".

[@petersanders2815]

Absolutely, but OMG what would he make of American politics today? It would be wonderful listening to him tear them all to shreds.

[@john_mckinney]

@@joevignolor4u949 And wrote “was” instead of “were”

[@joevignolor4u949]

It makes me cringe when people call the biblical story of Jesus, "the greatest story ever told". The greatest story ever told is the story of the Apollo moon landings. Apollo was all about ingenuity, determination, perseverance, skill, courage and grit. It's an amazing and awe inspiring story. How can some ancient mythology based on ignorance and superstition ever top that?

[@elih9700]

With you brother.

[@briancarton1804]

Worse still some folks believe the bible is all true every word is the word of God and say that the moon landings were fake.

[@johnsosa7727]

We never went to the moon

[@briancarton1804]

@@johnsosa7727 Who is we? You and you're dad? The USA put 12 Astronauts on the moon as well as a moon buggy and reflectors that several universities bounce lasers off for experiments and research.

[@johnsosa7727]

@@briancarton1804 They lie about everything, we didn't evolve from apes, Oswald did not kill Kennedy, 911 was an inside job. You probably believe Biden got over 80 million votes, stop being a sheep

[@Mattribute]

A group of people that hate Jesus hate on a movie about Jesus.

[@ronthorn3]

People don’t hate Jesus, they dislike religion. Jesus was just a mortal everyday man.

[@FinalProgram]

Jesus is not a religion. Jesus is God.

[@Mattribute]

@@ronthorn3 There's a lot of people with a lot of different feelings, including a few who even believe and hate. These guys are sophistry peddling argumentative haters. Not like me, I found the movie just okay. The reaction to it before it was even made was fascinating. The movie made a shit load of money but all the corporations refused to make it. Because they have motives beyond even money. Seeing these guys clutch their pears over this when they have no problem with other awful films is telling.

[@roberttyler1206]

​@@ronthorn3No. They hate Jesus.

[@Historian212]

Best discussion of this movie I’ve seen. Gibson took most of the movie, especially the gruesome focus on blood and flesh, from that nun’s 19th century “vision.” I’ve tried to read parts of it, and tbh it’s the product of a very disturbed mind. Snuff film, indeed. Gibson invited a group of Christian and Jewish historians to read through the screenplay and give him notes on the history aspect. They did; then, because Gibson didn’t like their criticism of it, he ignored them and also trashed them in public, as though he himself hadn’t asked them to comment. I attended a panel discussion of several of the scholars, some weeks after the film was released. Many received death threats and other abuse from so-called Christians. Horrible.

[@falconeshield]

A link to it?

[@johnsambo9379]

I bet you are a commie Jew also.

[@josephrohland5604]

God kills His own Son... so God can forgive men... for disobeying God. WTF?

[@mtklaric]

So if we were created in the image of God, and God has free will, we also as humans have free will. We killed Jesus because of our own fallen nature. Jesus says he takes all our sins on the cross with him, so we can be saved through him by believing in him. Simple if you read the Gospel.

[@josephrohland5604]

@@mtklaric No. There is no free will. "WE" didn't kill Jesus. "We" weren't alive at the death of Jesus. "Where there is no (Old Covenant) law, sin is not taken into account." ~Romans 5:13 "Redemption was only for those who sinned under the first covenant." ~Hebrews 9:15 "Jesus came only to redeem those under the (Old Covenant) law." ~Galatians 4:5 You've been hoodwinked into hijacking and inserting yourself into ancient Israel's exclusive and fulfilled redemptive narrative, wannabe.

[@mtklaric]

@@josephrohland5604 are you a messianic jew? What about Mark 16 15 He said to them, “Go into all the world and preach the gospel to all creation.

[@emily43210]

Evil killed Jesus, the seperation from God killed Jesus, and choices that seperate us from God have tormented us all. Jesus said you cannot hate your brother in your heart or lust after another's wife in your own heart. The darkness that we invite in is powerful and can consume us in obvious and less obvious ways, and all of these ways make life miserable. They prevent us from being loving and respecting others, not infringing on others, not hurting them. Jesus gave us his body and blood to consume so we would have life within us, the life that he would lay down and raise up. Remain in me so I remain in you in what he commanded. By remaining in Jesus, and being wed to him, as the body of Christ, the punishment that was ours became his so the life that belongs to him becomes ours. If we are merciful, we will be shown mercy. If we ask our debts to be forgiven, they will be forgiven. And if after such mercy if offered to us we deny mercy to one who asks it of us, we will be cut off. God offers himself paying the debt of justice for us. God appeases both justice and mercy because God is these things. God cannot deny Himself, He is not like us who can choose goodness or evil, He just is, which is why the name he gave to be called by is Yahweh, I am or I am that am. He is life, the first mover, he cannot act without justice. Evil owes us back to him, those in communion with him, because he was innocent and suffered these things out of the greatest motivation of unconditional love, even for those who personally whipped him, put thorns in his head, hated and rejected him, and put nails through him.

[@symbiosisai]

​@@mtklaric keep your fantasies to your self

[@kylebookout1789]

This discussion is reminding me of being in the theatre watching mother! and seeing 2 kids who couldn't have been older than 10 watching. For that film it may have been been a failure of it's marketing and also of course the parents but for passion I can't imagine willingly taking your kids to see it.

[@scipioafricanus5871]

10-yeard old child traumatization completed!

[@dp2120]

My mom took me as a kid and I had nightmares for weeks. It was horrible.

[@DidNotReadInstructions]

For reasons I cannot explain, I paid money for this film - I regret that. However the idea that a father 'loves' a son so he kills 'him' or 'himself' in order to be able to forgive. Anyone that has to kill to feel an emotion is evil. Point blank period, just forgive people!!!

[@loganleatherman7647]

The entire enterprise is a fucked reminder of a past filled with the kind of barbarism that we thankfully have abandoned since. The fact that anyone believes a blood sacrifice was ever necessary for anything is patently ridiculous when God could’ve just forgiven everyone of their sins without any brutality. But here we are, with deluded loons actually thinking that someone being horrifically murdered was somehow a wonderful event.

[@MustHaveWine]

Wait, your comment makes too much sense!

[@lauriemayne7436]

The thing I've come to dread most about these podcasts with Hitchens is the effusion of one-liner sentiment on how much he's missed since his passing. He had a low opinion of most of us because we seek out others, like him, to do our thinking for us. SPOILER ALERT: This is what he thought of mental slobs: "My own view is that this planet is used as a penal colony, lunatic asylum and dumping ground by a superior civilisation, to get rid of the undesirable and unfit." I admire him for that display of perspicacity, but I'm not going to go on with a lot of moaning about him not being around anymore to do the thinking for human duds. Let them eat cake, and start pulling their own weight.

[@memonk11]

He was paraphrasing Douglas Adam's work.

[@lauriemayne7436]

Then they both got it right. Not that it did any good in the general populace. Anything that obvious is rarely taken seriously. @@memonk11

[@George.Andrews.]

Perspicacity! Ooh well I never.

[@lauriemayne7436]

Another evasive one-liner. Will there never be an end to it?@@George.Andrews.

[@George.Andrews.]

@@lauriemayne7436 Hitch earned his money thinking and writing. He became good at it through practice. Why can't I use his experience and expertise as he would use mine if he needed an engineer. I don't expect him to be an engineer and do his own engineering.

[@rachelderenoncourt3881]

What was John doing in Ft. Lauderdale.

[@richardbale3278]

I've always been told that Jesus died for our sins. I've never really understood this. Jesus was executed just to come back three days latter. How is this dying?

[@andyt2979]

I rented that film on vhs from my local library - cost me £3. Over 15 years later, I still feel ripped off!

[@spider-man9118]

Why?

[@Regular_1094]

​@@spider-man9118just repeating the echo chamber of sacrilege that is this comment section.

[@falconeshield]

​@@spider-man9118Form your own opinion

[@spider-man9118]

Ayo, I don’t mean to force anything on anyone, but we have various types of evidence for biblical events. If anyone is interested, read on Brothers, what have we done. look at us. look at what we've become. This isn't right. we're wasting time going on about girls and sus drawings that don't give a f*ck about us. What is the point of lust? Why do we do this? This doesn't fix our problems, doesn't make the stress and pain go away. repent to God, friends. We must stay focused, brothers, on what really matters. I'm only 17, but I'm telling you, in the words of johnny cash, "sooner or later God will cut you down." you will lose almost everything important to you. please, for your sakes, repent and turn to Jesus. He is, in the words of Skillet, "better than drugs." He is also better than lust. love > lust. You'll find out that this is true. love may hurt, and same for lust, but lust will keep you chained down, eventually killing you mentally, spiritually, emotionally, and possibly physically. hell was never meant for us, my fellow youtube user. it was for the devil and his squad, and God gave us the Way out of there since we all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. God knew we were wack, but He decided He was still come down and help us, despite our unfaithfulness. most relationships (like friendships, romantic relationships) aren't like this. Very few, but not a whole lot. religion (Christianity) is just a relationship with God along with loving others (see james 1:27) also, we have various types of evidence that backs up the Bible. Here's one example: Scientists have discovered that the earth "skipped" a day. The Bible explains how that happened. In the book of Joshua, Joshua asked the sun to stop so he and the Israelites could defeat their enemies. Then in 2 Kings, King Hezekiah learned he was dying, and pleaded to God to not let him die. God sent a prophet to king hezekiah who said hezekiah would live. Hezekiah wanted a sign, and that would be for the sun to defy the law of inertia and go back 10 degrees. NASA confirmed it and did the math (look it up for more info). We also found Noah’s Ark hanging out in turkey, along with anchor stones marked with crosses signifying that it’s a revered place, along with altars and many other things. Look it up, it’s good stuff. more evidence for the Bible concerning cosmology and divine revelation in job 26:7, proverbs 8:27, Isaiah 40:22 (read on) The idea that the earth was round can be dated back to 600 BC in Greece. It was more widely accepted around the 3rd century (300 BC-201 BC) Note: time was “labeled” differently back then. for example, year 3000, year 420, year 69, year 0, year 1, year 2… and so on. Job 26:7: “. . .He [God] hangs the earth on nothing” The book of Job was supposedly written at 2100 BC. Proverbs 8:27: “. . .when He drew a circle on the face of the deep. . .” Proverbs was possibly written between 970 and 686 BC Isaiah 40:22: “it is He who sits above the circles of the earth. . .” Isaiah was written between 739 and 680 BC. This one doesn’t pertain to cosmology, but it refers to divine revelation nonetheless. Isaiah 11:15 “The Lord will dry up the gulf of the Egyptian sea; with a scorching wind he will sweep his hand over the Euphrates River. He will break it up into seven streams so that anyone can cross over in sandals.” Revelation 16:12 “The sixth angel poured out his bowl on the great river Euphrates, and its water was dried up to prepare the way for the kings from the East.” How did they know about this? You tell me, my fellow Zoomerz. The Holy Spirit exists. I was a slave to s3xual sin for 7-ish d@mn years. Finally at 16, God freed me. Also, look up John Gabbana's (boonk gang) testimony. Dude did a lot of wacky stuff. He's changed now. also, the soul exists. someone i know (i won't say who- privacy reasons) saw their soul leaving their body. like pulling off a band-aid, except it doesn't hurt. I was suicidal for 9-ish months, but then I read John 3:16, and poof- the big sad went away in one night. There are also non-Christian sources who have confirmed the existence and divinity of Jesus, some of which were hostile towards Christianity, such as: Thallus (52 AD), who said Jesus lived, was crucified, and confirmed the darkness and earthquake that followed Christ’s crucifixion; Tacitus (56-120 AD), who called the followers of Christ Christians, confirmed that Jesus was crucified under Pontus Pilate’s command Talmud (400-700 AD), confirmed that the disciples were martyred for their faith, and confirmed Jesus was executed the day before the Passover, and said Jesus had “magical” powers Pliny the Younger (61-113 AD), who said that the Christians thought Jesus was/is God in the Flesh (God the Son) Phlegon (80-140 AD), who said Jesus had the ability to predict the future, and confirmed that Jesus was crucified during Caesar’s reign, confirmed Jesus rose from the dead, and confirmed He showed His wounds to confirm He was crucified. Celcus (175 AD), who said Jesus was born of a virgin, said His father is a carpenter, and confirmed Jesus had miraculous powers (See cold-case Christianity for more details) Here’s the physical evidence of Jesus and His Resurrection: 1) No persecution would have started if He hadn’t come back (the disciples thought Jesus would never resurrect) 2) The Roman soldiers would have paid with their lives if they failed at their jobs 3) there was a 2-4 ton rock that 11-12 guys would have to move (they didn’t have any help. Everyone said “crucify Him”) major L to those opposed to Jesus 4) there was a Roman seal which was a metal pin that sealed the tomb stone 5) Stealing the Jesus’s body isn’t something the disciples would do (besides Judas. Although he hung himself after feeling remorse for betraying Jesus). 6) the disciples wouldn’t die for what they knew would be a lie. (The lie being Jesus never made the ultimate comeback) faith and reason, people hit me up to learn more about how science proves the Bible or just about God in general

[@fredbarnesjr.1044]

@@Regular_1094😂😂😂 sacrilege it’s a movie dumbass

[@iffracem]

I was working as a security guard in South Australia when this film was released in Aust. I got so much work, all at time and a half, due to the hyperbole over it's release. Every cinema that showed it demanded security (armed.. and don't forget, this is Australia... even now you just don't normally need weapons here to do security work) So I got heaps of extra shifts, with an "overtime" penalty rate, plus a "carry weapon" penalty rate, in a comfortable location... why? Because there was a bunch of so called peaceful and forgiving christians getting all angry and threatening violent retribution. Ridiculous. As soon as the world grows up and sheds all religion, the sooner we'll grow up and realise our true potential.

[@Art3615]

Shed all religion, Okay. God is here, today, tomorrow and forever. God doesn't have a religion. People can fight all they want. And blame God. Or people can say " the Devil made me do it." So when there's violence, blame anybody but me.

[@trippymchippy8586]

The fact that I live in a time when we still argue about sky fairies absolutely drives me mad. When will humanity set aside these divisions, dogma and control measures?

[@booba000]

What year is it and why?

[@geoffberesford]

You mean by using the Draconian measures adopted by China today?

[@BojanglesBonanno55]

2 hr snuff film. Beats covid. This shit been 38 years strong with a 5 year finale.

[@Hume2012]

And his obsession with violence continued with each movie he did since including his last. A Christian academic friend of mind called it the "Gorification of Christ" and refused to see it. It is surely religious propaganda and anti-Semitic as well.

[@longmemory1620]

Mel Gibson is a racist, an anti semite, a homophobe, a bully and most of all a coward. Only a coward hits a woman

[@ericclaeyborn3600]

The torture of Jesus was gory, from the time the Roman soldiers captured Jesus, until the time He died, 6 hours after He was crucified with 9 inch square spikes in His feet and wrists. There's no watering down the truth. It's not propaganda, and it's not anti-Semitic. The death on the Roman cross is still considered one of the most torturous ways to die in the history of mankind.

[@aliensoup2420]

I never thought about it, but yeah, all of Gibson's movies from Braveheart on have highlighted and focused on violence and gore (or the depravity of man): The Passion, Apocalypto, and Hacksaw Ridge. Most great directors make vastly different movies.

[@venzurelabee]

anti-semitic how

[@janwilson9485]

​@@ericclaeyborn3600where did you get these 'facts' from? Have you read the new testament?

[@blackbird5634]

It is the peak of arrogance to suggest that a god who allowed the holocaust would be interested in helping YOU find your car keys or improve you life in any way.

[@josephrohland5604]

What was wrong with the Holocaust?

[@brando7266]

@@josephrohland5604 u must be a trumptard ,

[@whitemountainapache3297]

How do you know that???

[@brando7266]

@@whitemountainapache3297 common sense,

[@hater2764]

The massive, overwhelming success of this movie, tells/shows us more about the christians than I ever wanted to know.....

[@ryans756]

It tells you nothing compared to what their support of Donald Trump tells you. We already knew they love the notion of Jesus saving them from their sins. Now we know they also don't give an actual fuck about the teachings of the man 😇

[@I_Am_Monad]

Isn't what you learned about Christians from the success of "Passion of Christ" just the shadow of what we saw during the covid-19 pandemic? They play fictional characters in their own invented dramas, even if it kills them and their fellows to finish the story. That's why I finally walked off the Evangelical movie set in 2020.

[@nicomurder]

keep hatin

[@bigverybadtom]

That they want to see unvarnished truth and not whitewashed revisionism?

[@Joshua_Froschauer]

What? That they're Religous? Weird, huh?

[@trilliarobinson7862]

I love it that one of the experts says that taking the Bible literally may not be the truest story !

[@MrSeedi76]

Especially since nobody really does that. Least of all the people who claim it's the "word of God".

[@MustHaveWine]

Ya think?

[@seanflynn7840]

I remember being in high school when this came out and going to see it in theaters with my cousin. The movie plays on and i remember, clearly, women crying and holding rosary beads with such a grip. People walked out, people turning away from the screen, people holding hands. When it was over, everyone walked out in silence. We get back to the car and my cousin was in shock and really shook. She said, "i need a moment..." I said, "yeah that was really dumb. I pissed away 2 hours of my life on that?" And she just couldn't believe that I said that. I just called it even with her and said, "hey it was what it was. Not my thing." and thats the last we spoke of that movie. I still laugh at that to this day.

[@Covid-me1xf]

pussies

[@spider-man9118]

@@Covid-me1xf woah

[@spider-man9118]

How is it dumb?

[@keithcharles8214]

May God have mercy on your soul.

[@scorps9259]

Another satan lover doesn’t like this movie. What’s new. You’ll learn with it’s time.

[@Angry-Books]

The violence in Passion of the Christ is absolutely tame compared to other gratuitously violent films that are “highly” regarded.

[@albertcornett7408]

It’s torture porn.

[@mariog7213]

Did he really say that Martin Scorsese is not a big Hollywood player? How can anyone take anything he says seriously when he even gets that wrong

[@GrrmPleaseWrite]

Martin Scorsese was always making movies, but his career was at a low point in the late 90’s and early 2000’s. The Departed really reignited people’s interest in his filmography, and gave him the prestige and budget to make all the incredible movies he did in the 2010’s

[@mariog7213]

@@GrrmPleaseWrite lol. Seriously? Goodfellas, cape fear, casino, bringing out the dead, gangs of New York, the aviator. That’s 95-05 🤦‍♂️

[@arcanuslosanara2823]

It is one thing if a man was crucified 2000 years ago, it is another thing if this mythical figure still wanders around in our minds and murmurs in our nightmares about how much he suffered and that we ought to worship him to avoid eternal hell fire.

[@kdmdlo]

Mythical figure? Really?

[@ferise1]

@@kdmdlo yes. No official record of him.

[@kdmdlo]

@@ferise1 Well, I don't know what you mean by "official". Moreover, that doesn't prove he didn't exist, right? Do you believe that Alexander the Great existed? There is actually a larger historical record of Jesus than of Alexander the Great.

[@larrygarland3728]

@@kdmdlo , What record do you speak of? The bible doesn't count!

[@damianedwards8827]

That’s a trip. God is simply the Existence of Love. Everybody Believes Love exists Atheists unnecessarily overcomplicate it. It’s a Shame

[@royw-g3120]

Clicked for Hitchens, amazed at the youthful Meacham. Don’t always agree with either but both always worth listening to.

[@dhadad9885]

Why wouldn't you agree with them? Do you have a brain? Certainly not.

[@gearoftones8585]

Hitchens was wrong here. Gibson doesn't reject the pope at all. No idea why he's saying that.

[@deepelements]

Thank you Christopher Hitchens miss you brother.

[@arriuscalpurniuspiso]

His critique of religion remains on point

[@paysonfox88]

I also miss Christopher hitchens. Even though he was wrong about many things, and he disagreed with my views on a lot of things, he at least did a lot of his own thinking and own research. Christopher hitchens was willing to go to debate with many Christian apologists. He also took on a lot of Muslim scholars. My favorite debates were his against Dinesh D'Souza. Those two were about even intellectually and their knowledge base was vast. Hitchens was also wise enough to stay away from the center of the flock of God's people wear the experienced and strong members of the army were. He wasn't stupid enough to challenge David Wilkerson to a debate. He would have stayed for clear of Francis Schaeffer. And I guarantee the thought never crossed his mind to go up against the Carter conlon, or a Leonard ravenhill, or a Reinhard bonnke. It's not wise to argue points of historic fact against a man like Reinhard who literally raised a dead corpse well he was preaching in a rally in South Africa. And it's really not wise to debate a man like David Wilkerson who predicted the Iraq war and the exact number of oil wells that would be burning out of control ten years before it happened... And wrote it down in book. It's also not wise to have your challenge of people not being able to regrow limbs like salamanders challenged by the likes of Leonard ravenhill who performed the miracle like that on a fella in bath England in 1939. Very wise man to stay away from those who have experienced these things.

[@arriuscalpurniuspiso]

@@paysonfox88 interesting post. Although I don't believe in any of the alleged miracles you have described. Those are highly apocryphal anecdotes. Hitch was immaculate on religion. His support of the Iraq Invasion was misguided. He certainly wanted to help the Kurds and Southern Iraqis. And he held a justified vendetta against Saddam Hussein. But the Bush Invasion of Iraq was criminal in nature. It never should have happened. There were no WMDs and Hitch should have known better. His judgement was clearly impaired by 2004

[@arriuscalpurniuspiso]

@@paysonfox88 Dinesh does not impress me at all. He is a convicted felon and his Mules documentary was utter rubbish.

[@rifelaw]

I wish we could miss his brother.

[@MrAaronvee]

It is amazing that people are still willing to talk about magic. They are presumably the same sort of idiots who thought that Uri Geller could soften metal with his mind.

[@AaronHahnStudios]

It's just a story, Jesus Never existed and none of this matters .. Jesus (Son of God) Sun is God .. all religion dates back to the worshipping of the sun. Pointless conversation.

[@jazzatiff9460]

That’s explains Superman then lmao (I agree tho)

[@sniffableandirresistble]

Some genius commentary all around damn lots to ponder wow ❤

[@DavidBrown-wm1up]

I love how we get almost 13 minutes detailing how the film is misleading, even pornographic and dangerous, and then finally Smedley gets a word in and goes, "I think it's a very well made movie!"

[@kane4013]

Wait… so Mel is anti-semitic !?!

[@michaelrg3836]

2023: I'm an atheist musician obliged to play the organ at my mother's Catholic church for Easter services. In his homily the priest referred to the movie and credited it as Gibson's great work... The church has embraced that film.

[@DidNotReadInstructions]

Yuck

[@scottgoulette8900]

Why are you obligated to play organ at "mother's church," are you still a minor or do you simply feel obligated out of respect for her and her beliefs?

[@well-dressed-bird]

Can't help but notice that just a decade earlier, when Schindler's List came out, it was highly praised and won 34 awards despite its graphic depictions of violence.

[@alexingram2221]

Schindler's List depicts violence as part of a historical atrocity, intended to make us confront human cruelty in the hope that it might never be repeated. It’s not celebrating the violence-it’s forcing us to reckon with it. The Passion of the Christ, on the other hand, uses violence for... what exactly? To titillate the faithful and glorify suffering for its own sake? There’s a difference between depicting evil to condemn it and glorifying it for dramatic effect. One is about understanding and learning; the other is about sensationalizing suffering to boost religious fervor. Do you have a point other than cowardly thinly veiled antisemitism? At least next time come out and say it directly.

[@CptChandler]

They all agree that an artist is meant to highlight what they think is most important in life through their art. But now in 2025, the anti-hero is so popular, I wonder how many people even agree that art should portray the ideal.

[@Beastinvader]

Did these people understand the difference between a film and a book? Whether the Gospels are historical or not, this is a film. The one guy was off for saying it is too "literal" and Hitchens was off for complaining about the creative liberties Gibson took.

[@DaenerysStormborn-cw5ws]

Charlie Rose makes my skin crawl. That a creep like him could have had a career for decades, interrupting and asking stupid questions of people much smarter than himself, is one of the best modern examples of how the patriarchy elevates & perpetuates the abuses of worthless men.

[@kljmaq]

IT'S ALL THE PATRIARCHY. 🤣

[@jagolago-bob]

So did they like the film?

[@terryallen9546]

A friend and I walked out during the whipping scene. My evangelical friends loved it, tho.

[@ostrich67]

Violence is their porn.

[@margaretlumley1648]

I am absolutely thrilled to say I never considered seeing this ridiculous movie 😊

[@alricthered226]

Shortly before this movie made its theatrical release, Hitchens appeared on C-SPAN's _Washington Journal._ He remarked on how Gibson made the movie political by screening it for the White House. He said that Vanity Fair wasn't invited to this screening, as this private event was exclusive to conservatives. By this time, word was getting around with how awful the movie was, and how false some of the marketing was. For instance, Gibson claimed that it was accurately based on scripture. The fact is, only the bluntest elements were biblical--the number of lashes, for instance--while the rest was typical fiction. Gibson in fact took lots of liberties with a very basic story. Almost none of it was biblical. But it was, as Hitchens said here, a very clever marketing strategy, presenting the film as a religious event. When Lamb asked Hitchens if he saw it, Hitchens said, "If Vanity Fair wants to see something, we're going to see it." Vanity Fair had gotten a pirated copy somewhere. Lamb asked him, "What did you think of it?" Hitchens flung back, without hesitation, "Oh, it's a piece of trash." I wasn't sure what to think of that, and I questioned if such a harsh opinion could be trusted. I was a big fan of Scorsese's movie, the look of it and the music, and I was, back then, interested in interpretations of Jesus. A couple of weeks later, I went to see _The Passion_ for myself. The movie opens in the Garden of Gethsemane. The scene was absolutely gorgeous. The music was reminiscent of Peter Gabriel's work for _The Last Temptation of Christ._ I thought to myself, "Oh, Hitches was full of shit." And I settled in for the rest of it. Then it started. Jesus was arrested and it never let up after that. Constant beatings that had nothing to do with scripture, and before long I was saying, "This movie is a piece of trash." I only saw it that once.

[@jake751]

My mum asked me to go to the pictures to watch this film. I was absolutely traumatised.

[@davero9704]

Gibson’s career in Hollywood did not suffer because his film about Christ grossed over $600 million dollars which is the most important thing about a movie and it’s director to studio’s producers and Hollywood in general.

[@hater2764]

His career suffered because he blamed jews for all the wars and beat his wife

[@frankdifelice6952]

Ask anyone under 21 who mel gibson is. I did and the response was "isnt he that guy who hates Jews?"

[@andu1854]

Also calling a cop Sugar Tits didn’t help either, also he is kinda crazy and has uncontrollable tics when he talks

[@TigerHighaf]

I hate going to see movies with people who's read the book. They're always so disappointed 😞 Also, to hear Hitchens defending any religion seems odd.

[@cz2165]

No one could out- debate Christopher Hitchens. John Meachem likes to go on air having memorized a few choice lines if a book ( he does this on MSNBC these days all the time) but Hitchens had read everything and remembered everything he read, and of course his analysis was spot on nearly every time.

[@Raydensheraj]

Meacham is an alright guy....soft, without the charisma or hardcore convictions of Christopher....but he loves America and democracy. He is on the right side of history.

[@mddistribution30]

Gibson made the bulk of his fortune from this film. Because it was a surprise big hit and he produced it independently and controlled the distribution rights so he made a fortune from it!

[@JohnMac-pf6js]

The violence is what happened, though. The soft people want happy Jesus.

[@terrymckenzie8786]

I really think it will take another century to bring religion and their followers to an end. But it will happen as there is billions of bits of information to prove its false.

[@Sigmund1924]

As long as there is poverty there will be religion. If people are working all day just to survive, they won’t have time for education. Without education they will simply regurgitate the myths told to them be their parents.

[@outermarker5801]

To this day Jim Caviezel is Qompletely weirded

[@giuseppemariocescutti-fitz5835]

Hes a nut case! Catholic as well. Strange. Cultish. And believes in conspiracy theories. Hes lost the plot and is off the beaten track. I will not watch any of his movies. That includes, Gibson. The antisemitic. Or any actor that is a member of the Scientology brigade. It just puts me off them. I cant separate them from the madness as an actor. To me they are just LOOPY!

[@giuseppemariocescutti-fitz5835]

Christians wont say that! They will never condemn so called Christian beliefs. They are quick to condemn everyone else, and then the first ones to say, Dont judge me, when its directed at them. Holier than thou. Self righteous indignation.

[@giuseppemariocescutti-fitz5835]

Thats what i got from the movie…The Romans were responsible for the death of Christ. But i agree with how people will interpret it.

[@EoinFC]

4:03 Hitch's sado-masochism quip, with the hint of a grin. Love it.

[@kenq7948]

Yes. As if he was saying "sado-masochism but not in a good way"

[@costeris35]

I am in great sympathy with the need to prevent antisemitism and they are probably right about Gibson’s agenda but some of their points make no sense. Catholics have often put great focus on the fysical suffering, in paintings, in desciptions of hell, in sculpture of the bleeding Christ on the cross, it is everywhere in Catholic Europe. A few examples of pictures who moved away from that hardly contradicts that. This film is squarely in the tradition of Christian iconography. As a young Christian I always read the role of the Jewish people in Christ’s death as the role of the reader. We, the people, we are the ones who would kill him because he scares us, because we are mot brave enough to follow him. But I was raised a in pro-Israel Christian tradition so that might explain that interpretation.

[@felixmbandandayitabi4536]

As a jew of Ethiopian descent, your kind of Christianity scares me because it wants the extermination of my people.

[@akshayrathore2882]

11:00 Aramaic and Arabic are very similar. I am sure they could understand a simple line even without subtitle.

[@Check.ur.theism]

They played this sadomasochistic nonsense in my church when it was released. Though it did not traumatize me, I cannot imagine how a reasonable adult believes this is an acceptable film for an 11 year old child to watch. Worst fictional film of the 21st century.

[@superpuppy7854]

Typical mel Gibson movie. The hero soaks up enough punishment to kill ten men, then saves us all at the last minute.

[@ck58npj72]

@@madoldcoot8563 cool story bro...

[@q1w2e3r4t5y6i8]

I'm not defending Gibson, of course, when I say this, but I would've loved to see Michael Medved, a conservative Jewish film critic and talk show host, who defended Gibson against accusations of anti-Semitism, debate the late Hitchens on this issue.

[@Karak-Fak]

Sure… if you wanted to see Medved eviscerated.

[@q1w2e3r4t5y6i8]

@@Karak-Fak Why would he be eviscerated? Hasn't he proven over the course of his career that he can intellectually debate anybody? Perhaps, I verbalized myself wrongly with my comment. I wasn't trying to insinuate that Hitchens would be a cakewalk for Medved. My point is not about who will emerge as the victor. It just would've been great to witness a discussion between the two, especially considering the fact, which I'll repeat, that Medved was one of the few Jews who defended Gibson against accusations of anti-Semitism after the controversy caused by the movie.

[@kookamunga2458]

I heard the movie had torture scenes in it .That's for sick minds . I'd rather watch pornography.

[@mythicalireland]

What exactly is a "successful Christian"?

[@MicrophonesInTheTrees]

Megachurch owners making bank, lol.

[@larry1824]

I'm Christian but Hitchens is spot on

[@borrburison648]

Uh, no

[@borrburison648]

@@acbulgin2 "The Passion of the Christ" should make it obvious what it's about. It's not an ugly story, it's the best story of how God became a man, lived as a man, and died for all of humanity because of his love and passion for his creation

[@brando7266]

@@borrburison648 Google the breakdown of religion, there r more people that don't believe in christ , than there r, ( add up the other religions),u r Christian ,because y were born into it,if u were born in India, u wouldn't,

[@borrburison648]

@@brando7266 this is a false generalization, plus there are actually many catholic churches in india and many a born and baptized a christian, there are coptic christians in egypt (a majority muslim country) there christian palestinians etc etc

[@brando7266]

@@borrburison648 Google religious demographics- Christianity is 31%, Islam is 25%, Hinduism is at 15%, buddhist-is 6%, etc, like I said ,more people on this earth, do not believe in Jesus, than believe in him, those r the facts,

[@Mr._XStence]

Never have I ever missed someone so much without meeting them. I feel sorrow for his death and sad that there is no heaven for Christopher Hitchens.

[@daleblue22]

After Hitchens death, the world has been plagued with Jordans Petersons pseudopsico loonies!

[@godisbollocks]

I feel ya, man. I still remember the day he died, in 2011. I knew he was gravely ill but it was still a shock to hear he was gone. Terrible timing, too. A couple of years later the woke movement really began in earnest. It's a tragedy that Hitchens and George Carlin aren't around to weigh in on it.

[@norman7527]

In 2023, both of them would be censored and cancelled for sure. Look up an excellent debate organised by the BBC, called 'Intelligente Squared' where Hitchens, takes the church to the cleaners

[@damianedwards8827]

That’s a trip. God is simply the Existence of Love. Everybody Believes Love exists Atheists unnecessarily overcomplicate it. It’s a Shame

[@youegg8905]

@@damianedwards8827 We do not overcomplicate nothing; I think the reasons to believe in god are more intricate and obscure than the lack of them.