Chrono Trigger (NDS): [Optional] Boss (Queen Zeal & Mammon Machine)

[@completelyroundoak]

Fun Fact: If you spared Magus at the cliff and took him as a follower and start this battle with him in your party, Magus' theme plays instead of this and you get some dialogue directly between Zeal and Magus

[@skye.xv88]

I'll be forever greatful for the fact that I knew about this while playing the game, making me not being afraid using Magus in my party. I loved using the party of Lucca, Robo and Magus, also this scene was much more impactful, both because of the extra dialogue and Battle with Magus under it. I honestly thought the "with Magus" part in the title of the theme was meant to be a reference to the fact that it can appear both with him as an ally or an enemy, though I later found out this is just a common way of Square titling their character specific battle themes

[@pokeyclyde2428]

BRO I JUST BEAT CHRONO TRIGGER THREE HOURS AGO WHAT dude I loved the dialogue where Zeal said “Prophet!” and magus had a little talk, I have no regrets sparing Magus now

[@mapes2572]

i killed magus and didnt even knew he was playable until my second playthrought

[@Travis371]

Magus goes in, taking no prisoners, and being an absolute savage. And then his theme hits. Best moment in the game, period.

[@Janus_Zeal]

*Matricide!!!*

[@Xelpherpolis]

You shit's officially gotten real in a JRPG when you've reached the stratosphere.

[@worawatsr9803]

Looks more like thermosphere or exosphere

[@kharnakcrux2650]

the sweet joy of using Dinotail at 1HP

[@veghesther3204]

As well as Frog Squash in fact for her FIRST 2 turns I ONLY had her use Halation and killed her by using Luminare Frog Squash and Dino Tail BUT since I STOLE 40 to 50 + mega elixers I used the Prism Spects Crono Sun Glasses Ayla and the Power Ring to boost the damage. Her head/hands form IMHO her WORST attack is the FULL party WATER spell so I made sure that Crono Ayla Frog ABSORB that spell before starting ALL the back to back battles at lv 50.

[@stevengeyer4459]

You can counter the Mammon Machine raising its defense by having Frog use a normal attack with the Masamune. They're both made from Dreamstone so it's weak against it

[@TheBanishedWind]

If you bring Magus to this, the second battle with Queen Zeal will be extended with lines from him and the queen reacting to his presence, accompanied by "Magus Confronted" which is a MUCH more fitting BGM for such a climactic battle.

[@TheBanishedWind]

Also, if Frog does a regular attack on the Mammon Machine while it's altering energy, he will be healed if he is equipped with the Masamune. Not sure if it MUST be the upgraded version, but why wouldn't you have it?

[@zoinland]

I like Boss Battle 2 theme, but really wanna try this fight with Magus in the party. Never did it before.

[@XiloChannel]

That tactic at the first Queen Zeal fight was impressive when I realized what you were doing.

[@haydenbennett3547]

Fun fact; if Magus participates in this fight, some of the dialogue is changed and the music changes to Magus' theme

[@GregoryWeagle]

Queen Zeal 1 pattern: Halation, MP absorb move, Zeal spheres (used by Golem), loop. Usually. No counters. Mammon Machine (In Japan known as the Demonic Vessel): Store mode on, release energy, Store Mode Off, Still Mode On, Point Flare done twice in a row, Loop. Counters physicals by raising defense, counters magic by raising attack. Values reset after energy is released. Zeal (Left Hand): Dark Beam. Counters with MP Buster/MP Reaver when attacked with anything, including Charm. Zeal (Right Hand): Yellow laser. Counters with Lifeshaver when attacked with anything (reduce HP to 1); including Charm. Zeal (Andross-equse Head): 1st phase: Heavenly Gate multiple times, Starburst/Hexagon Mist, Gears of Darkness/Dark Gear, Loop. 2nd phase (10,000 HP damage is dealt): Halation (only used once per battle), MP Buster (only used once per battle), Heavenly Gate multiple times, Loop. Notes: If Magus is in your party; his theme music plays and there is different dialogue. Starburst/Hexagon Mist uses the Star Of David and has never been edited in any version of this game.

[@RpgmaniacNo1]

6:11 is still one of the best boss battle themes I've ever heard in my life.

[@TrYED84]

It fits so well with Queen Zeal transforming in the beginning right?, I love it.

[@RpgmaniacNo1]

+Gerardo Roman yes, it's simply epic!

[@EdnerLopes]

Really, really epic.. I love this theme with Queen Zeal fighting

[@andrescamilotousarcia2528]

you are right men :D

[@XiloChannel]

I think the first time you hear it in the game is MASA and MUNE when they transform into Fusion. That was epic.

[@ravenstrahd5234]

I hate doing this fight because it gets rid of the black omen. The black omen is the perfect place for Ayla to repeated steal Megalixers from monsters.

[@GarryDumblowski]

+Raven Strahd Do it at the latest possible, or 1,000 AD. Then do it again in 600 AD and then in 12,000 BC. That way you can go through it 3 times.

[@ravenstrahd5234]

I leave the black omen alone as long as possible and just use it farm out megalixers. It's one of the few places in the game to get a massive quantity of them in one go.

[@GarryDumblowski]

Raven Strahd Hey, what enemy, exactly, do you steal the Megaelixirs from?

[@ravenstrahd5234]

The naga woman monsters you encounter early on in the Black Omen. Ayla can swipe one from each of them.

[@GarryDumblowski]

Raven Strahd You mean these guys? chrono.wikia.com/wiki/Hydraconda

[@EDarien]

Nope. Zombor comes to mind. As does Magus and the Reptilian enemy in 65M BC. There's a lot of actual bosses in the game, Lavos being the "final boss," but Chrono Trigger did give us a LOT of optional bosses. This is, without a doubt, my favorite video game of all time. There's a lot of great games, but Chrono Trigger did everything so well and gave you so much to do.

[@vksasdgaming9472]

Queen Zeal is most visible villain of entire game (Lavos is more of a plot element) and in the end she is so far gone that killing her doesn't make her understand anything. She merely joins Lavos directly from her bodily vessel which can endure 16 300 years.

[@hirosukearisato3259]

Queen Zeal looks like Andross.

[@finalhazard883]

"THIS is the enemy's Mammon machine?" "Queen Zeal is an insane fool"

[@MrTheMark21]

Yes, it's the real music. However you get Magus theme if you brought Magus.

[@TheBanishedWind]

And it sounds more appropriate IMO

[@ardvannajafgholi3127]

the only rpg game with such in depth combo attacks

[@Mondraful]

Tengo un trauma con esta reina, recuerdo que me quedé sin energía y ya venia recontra mal por otras peleas anteriores, pero la buena Ayla me ayudó jajaja

[@kharnakcrux2650]

And the Mammon machine looks a lot like the jugglers from Magus's castle

[@Greatermaxim]

And Lavos's final middle form looks like a rag doll.

[@TheBanishedWind]

@@Greatermaxim And his second form resembles Cell.

[@Greatermaxim]

@@TheBanishedWind Hindsight in the year 2020, I would have made it easier or harder to beat the Black Omen depending when you entered. I also would have the future one open. I also would have required the player to beat it before beating Lavos. It would change speedrunning strategies since this can be skipped. Like many good games from that era it needed a difficulty level.

[@bigmike-ub8ql]

What always gets me about the Black Omen is the final room. Right before you get to Queen Zeal, you see your party floating in some tanks....WTF?! Can someone explain that to me?!

[@mousemallow7480]

Three years later: Holograms. What always gets me about the Black Omen is the final room. Right before you get to Queen Zeal, you see your party floating in some tanks....WTF?! Can someone explain that to me?!

[@1zeldalover]

bigmike3192 Queen holdes a natural fortuna over the MC, If you already have the natural judgment of good and evil in either hand, Their is always an embrace to deface and the heart remains true.

[@royalbananagaming6855]

Queen zeal explained it in here, she is sealing away the team, which the team wasnt alive in the future time, or something like that

[@Greatermaxim]

It's fiction meaning it doesn't have to make sense. Though what it represents that if you don't defeat Lavos you'll be sealed away for eternity unable to change anything.

[@AsuranFish]

It’s weird. I don’t remember Zeal using many of these attacks when I played years ago. Especially Gears of Darkness and that other similar move... Funny how the two attacks vaguely resemble Dark Matter. Wonder if that was intentional to allude to Magus.

[@TheBanishedWind]

Well Starburst (or "Hexagon Mist" in SNES) is a Water tech, so...

[@IamMonikaDLC]

Yes well not so much alluding to Magus, just that she is Magus' mother so naturally she'd have Magus' magic talent to some extent, also completely buffed by Lavos. So it makes sense for her to have all magic elements.

[@IamMonikaDLC]

@@TheBanishedWind Gears of Darkness is Shadow.

[@TheBanishedWind]

@@IamMonikaDLC I was referring to Starburst not Gears Of Darkness.

[@luigibarqs]

You can go into the opposite telepod as Marle at the beginning of the game to go directly to Lavos, which renders everything that ever happens in the game between the beginning of the festival and the Lavos battle as optional.

[@TheBanishedWind]

New Game Plus, not to mention that's a meta option.

[@drebin1381]

Nice moves Dino Tail and Frog Squash right off the bat 😮

[@szymon6207]

mammon machine have 18k hp

[@Anemite]

queen zeal,the best way to equip all your team with prism helms and all your girls with prism dress

[@IAMELIPHAS]

@FFXIKadian You'll also get a dramatic exchange between Magus and Zeal before the battle, too, if you bring him along.

[@Greatermaxim]

Many games these days I hope make beating areas more mandatory. They also need difficulty levels. I'm grateful for the effort put into the best games of that era. We've learned to improve since then. The final game might be as challenging as the gamer wants. I've done and seen some insane stuff myself. We never know how hard is too hard?

[@Greatermaxim]

This creates a paradox. My friend told me to fight this thing in present and then past to get at least two copies of the items from Zeal's hands. But if you ever finished off the Black Omen in the Ice Age how does it ever exist in the Past, Present, or Future? Gotta love fiction and continuity.

[@pluto3194]

The best way is to work backwards. Destroying it in future the working backwards. If you destroy it in 12000B.C it stops existing.

[@thebanfflocal2366]

Theyre timelines that no longer exist but they did when you visited them. Being outside the flow time

[@miguelarturopalomaresruiz]

in that case then, all the bosses are optional after you get to the end of time, cause there you can go directly to the day of lavos

[@shadowstarz3651]

The fight music is also epic if you bring Magus along.

[@HumidHernandez]

The stat is maxed out. It is either 99 or 100 for most stats and like 16 for Speed I believe.

[@Anonymous-mp2ln]

Intresting little note, you you fight her with Magus in your party it will plau his theme during the battle with Queen Zeal rather then Boss 2. However this might just be DS version I don't know for sure.

[@leomorissette7753]

Nope in the snes version that's also the case you are right

[@Shlante]

Okay so i'm playing Chrono Trigger right now, and I was actually here fighting this boss, but the thing is, I thought this was required, I legit thought I was just continuing the story, and then I found this video and saw it said optional, I got pretty embarrassed

[@finalhazard883]

This fight was epic but i died way too many times.

[@Janus_Zeal]

I single beated this biatch. Ego sum, Janus Pater Zeal

[@BurrShotHam711Jenna]

@IAMELIPHAS yea that too, i forgot that part

[@BurrShotHam711Jenna]

@NeoSamuel it's both, i had Magus in my party on the DS version and it plays his theme

[@HumidHernandez]

For every one after the first time in 2300, technically yes.

[@bretthowarth857]

sound effects were so off that when i play this version I have to mute it

[@TheBanishedWind]

That such a thing is necessary raises one's eyebrows. Better to just enjoy the game anyway.

[@Volgrand]

Zeal: "Where the hell did that dinosaur come from? And the frog??"

[@Janus_Zeal]

From my castle, Biatch... Janus Pater Zeal

[@highway788]

@IidoTheFox Besides, I hardly think that, on your first playthrough, you'll be strong enough to face Lavos before recovering Crono.

[@Xelpherpolis]

For some reason I always play *Fate - Gods of Destiny* from Chrono Cross in my head when I fight this battle. Just kinda... works for some reason.

[@TheBanishedWind]

Which part?

[@HowDoUPlayGames]

#luigibarqs You can only use that telepod trick in New Game + on the original SNES game. So the entire game is only optional if you've already beat it.

[@PrincessUndertaker]

+HowDoUPlay I Like you Magus Pic :)

[@HowDoUPlayGames]

***** Thanks. Magus is my favorite character, if you couldn't tell. :P

[@PrincessUndertaker]

Mine too :)

[@brookewayt12]

1 HP dino tail+1 HP frog squash=OUCH

[@darkfire170]

it gets me mad that Zeal's final words were laughing evily, and we didn't see her suffer or anything. I mean yeah her plans failed after her death, but still would nice to see her suffer or something

[@Janus_Zeal]

Oh but she is suffering... If You bring Magus, she will after realize that she got beated by his son of a bit! When your own blood destroy You.

[@itaav91112]

It has even ways to skip 1/3 of the final boss fight.

[@EDarien]

Yes and only doable in new game+, meaning all those bosses were still mandatory.

[@ShinyGaara65]

I've played the original SNES version (thank you, Virtual Console), and I never totally understood what ** meant on a stat. I just assumed it's a super-stat now. Can someone clear me on this?

[@fsd2248]

maxed out

[@warshipsatin8764]

queen zeals final form is hot

[@degeldeacuario6090]

Queen zeal and mammon machine are not optional bosses

[@Janus_Zeal]

They must be killed and destroyed. As long Humanity is held by the chains of Mammon 🤑

[@Janus_Zeal]

Today's 1 Mammon(MMON) exchange rate : Bitcoin : 0,00000061 💲 : 0,002

[@kamerondonaldson5976]

nooo you cant just make your magic system become parasitic on top of the parasite that already exists called lavos.. nooo there's not enough mana to go around... hahaha mammon machine go brrrr...

[@royalbananagaming6855]

I never see peoplestealing the rainbow gears here......

[@loonyladle3987]

I have played this battle many times. I have never seen the Mammon Machine attack, or do much of anything. Does it not respond to normal attacks?

[@Janus_Zeal]

Cash is most of Time neutral.

[@loonyladle3987]

@@Janus_Zeal What the fuck?

[@bigmike-ub8ql]

Not really. On a first playthrough, some of the bosses are obligatory. If only to move on with the story, of course. But after unlocking New Game+, then yes. Technically every boss is optional, but only after you have access to New Game+.

[@GaiaLegend]

The only thing I hated at these end bosses are the way they fight. All play with two sidekicks recovering HP or defending against magical attacks. It reminds me of end bosses of Final Fantasy( FFX was full with those) Jecht, Yevon blahblah. The rest of the game is awesome. Period.

[@1zeldalover]

Im still wondering what that pile of stuff is at the end of the room

[@talkingtrash5606]

I guess it’s the remainder of the mamon machine

[@TheBanishedWind]

@@talkingtrash5606 Correct.

[@CircuitReborn]

@NeoSamuel She was more annoying than the Dream Devourer..finally beat her ass after 8 hours constant play(blame levels) AND IN THE MIDDLE OF CLASS!XD I had stayed up through the night,played on the bus,and kept playing in the class for the first hour and a half.

[@ABOhiccups]

There's a Star of David Logo in Queen Zeal's Final Form Battle! Censorship Team, you failed again!

[@TheBanishedWind]

Hardly anyone cares and it would've been left alone in the DS localization.

[@treshaunrogers]

@@TheBanishedWind It's interesting because back in the day, Nintendo was really serious about censorship and that included most religious imagery

[@EldenGainz]

why is this boss optional?

[@TheBanishedWind]

Because once you've met with Magus at North Cape and seen the Black Omen rise, you can go straight to Lavos.

[@alejandro_rodriguez_99]

@@TheBanishedWind you can go straight lavos after unlock the end of time

[@katb1145]

Is it me, or does the AI seem to be more aggressive in this version? I don't remember Zeal spinning out those more powerful techs with the kind of frequency I see here.

[@XiloChannel]

Zeal was the hardest fight in the game, when you face her onto of the black omen. She would do life shaver and then immediately do another move and instantly kill a character.

[@Xeno426]

Only after the first playthrough.

[@redviper57]

optional? didn't know that.

[@andrescamilotousarcia2528]

6:09 :D

[@royalbananagaming6855]

Oh wait this one does

[@Lavos2007]

god i msis the SNES sound for Volt Bite dual tech, ever since the PS1 editino neutered the music/sound-fx its sounded HORRIBLE, tho its the only one in the DS version that STILL sounds bad, as most of the DS version sound was a modified version of the PS1 so altho it wasnt SNES-good it was alot better than PS1, EXCEPT for Volt Bite

[@GUSTAVTT]

6:13 this is'nt the real music of this battle, right?

[@TheBanishedWind]

Only if Magus is not with you.

[@Anemite]

not on a first playthrough

[@fafdsfr]

You don't even need to do that. When you go to test the teleporter, go to the right teleporter instead of the left one.

[@ConsarnitTokkori]

08:48 Is she...?

[@TheBanishedWind]

DS error, I htink

[@anemite2]

the only boss that can get fought 3 times and get 3 prism dress and 6 prism helmets

[@MrTheMark21]

Only on a game+

[@TheBanishedWind]

Huh?

[@maxwelllima9876]

a so super ness e bem mais difícil

[@luigibarqs]

Isn't technically every boss in the entire game other than Lavos optional? :/

[@fortyoz.4350]

iron fist 9999

[@mrthms3247]

Jjj

[@royalbananagaming6855]

Another bad player, overusing of items