Chrystal Rose - Tula

[@Prieze868]

OMG whata line of questioning

[@EchoRider515]

Right? 🙄The host really made a fool of herself while trying to make one of Caroline.

[@Prieze868]

Idolise Carolyn cosy she reminds me of Princess Diana

[@giocurve]

I'm just glad Caroline remained classy throughout the entire interview. The audience are quite ignorant.

[@EchoRider515]

I agree, the audience certainly are. I think the host was sounding quite ridiculous with the way she worded her questions. Also, even more so with her responses agreeing to the negative comments from the audience. She appeared to have an agenda (as many of "these" types of talk show hosts tend to) which is to basically humiliate their guests for ratings.

[@JohnathonRoberts-py8nq]

I agree

[@lindamaloney1651]

Did they ever have children? I don't kno what people are so upset about...she had theextra chromosomes that showed she's a woman and she just wanted her body to match...she has that right...

[@jdsdddds]

Caroline, you’re a class act. National treasure.

[@elgeneralxx]

Oh whatever

[@jessicaloveless7065]

This host was horrible. I love how Caroline is able to hold herself. But that host makes me so mad

[@jackiehooks8613]

These people were awful she is beautiful I know this is from long ago I bet she is still beautiful.

[@antoniomarcos5321]

Your sister is just incredible. "She wasn't fortunate to be born with a womb, but I was". Wow! That is so beautiful and so generous. You may not have been fortunate to have been born with a womb, but you definitely had the fortune of being born in a great family.

[@EchoRider515]

Very well stated, from both her sister & you. 😄

[@byron9727]

What a useless presenter but a classy and dignified interview by Caroline and her family

[@madamc3458]

Oh my goodness. This presenter is dreadful.

[@Prieze868]

Tula was born with a female brain that animates a male body

[@jchase3755]

This is why I admire Caroline - in her day she was the only one doing the interview circuit and had to deal with a lot of ignorance in this time - today the attitudes and questions WOULD NOT FLY. It's as if she had to prove her newswoman over and over each interview. Thank you Pam for correcting that host saying she wasn't born a man

[@mistressanya36ff]

damn shame Well as Caroline is genetically XXXY she is in fact intersex. To be fair to Caroline she was treated as a Transsexual. However her genetic heritage meant that aside from a boob job and G.R.S she was born as you see her. Hence her beauty and female physical shape. :-)

[@annerhoads8491]

Yes and she is still one he'll of a good woman friend and she's the best mom ever xxx🌻😊🌻

[@byronthomas1668]

True intersex is a medical condition and a genetic anomaly. Hence her femininity.

[@CashLundBeats]

@Byron Thomas I'm intersex as well me and Caroline are the same in a sense

[@AW-zv2to]

@@byronthomas1668 The fact that she isn’t on hormones amazes me

[@BAM2613]

I think Pam had to hold herself so not to attack the host..Caroline is lucky to have such a supportive family. Pam, especially is

[@Jazgar001]

Bless you for keeping your cool in the face of such stubborn, wilful ignorance.

[@jujumusique1305]

Caroline is class in person. Love her. I think today’s world could benefit from strong trans icons like her rather than some of the horrible activists that are trolling social media with nonsense.

[@byronjones4478]

You're so amazing, Carolina. Thank you for sharing all of these interviews for those of us who weren't fortunate enough to see them when they aired. :)

[@MsMsmak]

Chrystal Rose was a terrible talk show host. No wonder her "show" lasted such a short time. Here she displayed her incredible ignorance to her audience. She says she read Carolines' book, but she asks questions that completely prove the opposite. If she was trying to be the BBC's answer to Oprah, she failed completely. Oprah would NEVER have treated her guests that way.

[@BlytheWorld1972]

she is a fuckin head case . pure trash .

[@harrison1430]

ITV not bbc

[@SmoothCinnamonX]

Oprah raised the bar for talks show for sure.

[@elgeneralxx]

chrystal rose is great! shes a sister!! speaking truth and for the people!

[@sharkisland5931]

@@elgeneralxx there's a reason no one remembers her nd her show was short-lived

[@AradiaAshes]

I have so much admiration for you, even though the audience was being rude and stupid you just responded tactfully and kind. You're such a beautiful person Caroline, inside and out. ❤️

[@phowbow3161]

I love her remark at the End. Sadly, society still hasn't improved much.

[@stevenpatrickstone766]

How I wish you could be out there and visible again Caroline...there is so much injustice in some parts of America (like the bathroom bills) that I think your presence and voice could make things better for trans people. You're absolutely so much more mature and wise now in your early 60's (not to mention still gorgeous because I saw you on FB) ...please consider doing television again. Caitlyn Jenner got so much attention and I actually think she made things worse not better, and you could do so much more than she ever could. Sending you my love and great respect !

[@TheTinydancer235]

The interviewer was annoying. I cringed when she said they look like a couple in love.. because they are a couple in love. Caroline is a beautiful, intelligent WOMAN.

[@brandylamb8742]

30 years later and people are just as bad .

[@littlecasino60]

It seems even worse today because of the Internet. There are a lot of keyboard gangstas out there.

[@ryanleon288]

dang chrystal really hammered those questions hard. just went right to the point, no holding back. how rude

[@ralex3697]

Yep very intrusive

[@alishal5421]

People, or rather ignorant human beings, have so much hatred towards others who don't fit into their view of life. No one would ever be able to comprehend another person's point of view. We always see only one side of the Moon. That's pretty much how most of the society is - one sided. And it's explained by the laws of survival: if you don't stick to a herd, you'll die. And those who dare to stand out are to be ostracised. I'm happy for those who have the guts to pursue their goals and dreams.

[@saifavalencia1156]

A lot of the same minds from this show still exist as well as their offsprings and they be on social media hating on trans people

[@kayliemcintosh7841]

I’ve been thinking long and hard about the audience reaction to her. This was the viewpoint of the time from the general public. You were only aware of trans people if you knew one. I live in a white MAGA community- and don’t know a single Asian, Hispanic or Native American- yet alone a Trans person - although I do know a bunch of closeted individuals. It is because of Caroline and other people like her that I can exist in my community with my views of acceptance and admiration. She was brave beyond measure and interviews like this, as uncomfortable as they clearly were - were groundbreaking and world changing. I travel to Pride and June 19 Celebrations. I’m happy to live in a world that while isn’t perfect- is better than where it was, thanks to the brave and resilient people like Caroline. What a fucking legend.

[@sgd.6830]

I love how Tula’s mum & sister have her back. The interviewer/tv presenter was absolutely awful and ran through the questions 100 mph, plus didn’t listen 👎

[@swooningtree]

"I know what you are" classy response, the less said the better.

[@vforsejrv7801]

Why does every interviewer aske if David think he is a homosexual? A homosexual man is attracted to a man and would never ben interested in Caroline so why this stupid question? Does Caroline look like a man? No!! She has never ben a man. I know it’s a long time ago but it’s really a very stupid stupid question. Yes there is a lot of ignorant people in there. Hope they have ben more educated today 2021🙏🏻🙏🏻

[@mrxanderboy]

I know! It’s not like she has male genitalia or had when he was with her not that it matters but alot/most straight men don’t like penis. Some men do like trans woman who still have it and it’s actually a plus. In that case I would wonder that. Not that it makes you less of a woman if you still have it. But we all have a preference

[@barbraeu1376]

Yes! David was asked this stupid question time and time again! So stupid!

[@vforsejrv7801]

@@mrxanderboy Exactly. 👍🏻She never had a penis when he was together with her. So of course he is straight. But on the other hand, I would call a guy that wants a “transwoman” who haven’t had the surgery for a bisexual male. And there is nothing wrong with that. I think also it could be kind of a Fetisch for someone. Just my opinion.🌸🌸

[@vforsejrv7801]

@@barbraeu1376 Yes very stupid. But this was another time and hopefully people are more educated today🌸🌸🌈😁

[@DallasCityGurl]

Crystal Rose was so tacky. Was she just digging to get a story? Or did she really not like Tulsa? Tell me what ya'll think

[@monicalamb4life461]

Dam them women are jealous of tula haters tula is gorgeous !

[@keithhaggard323]

The hostess was basic. The audience overall was pathetic, ill informed and rude. Caroline isn’t there for your condemnation.

[@jetpetty1613]

These old interviews are very aggravating although Caroline is perennially classy.

[@Ivoness]

Beautiful inteligent classy woman Caroline Cossey👌

[@swooningtree]

If it's any consolation, who the fuck has heard of Chrystal Rose today? But plenty of people have heard of Caroline Cossey and Tula

[@hephzibah2603]

I love you for doing all that you've done to bring about awareness and understanding for transsexuals. What a stupid lot in that audience! And, Ms. Rose wasn't that great of an interviewer.

[@AndresRamirez-ge7tb]

Watching this show was hard!

[@ralex3697]

So articulate and evolved. Great respect for her Inspiring individual

[@dennisleecleven3209]

The people asking questions and making awful comments were obviously not listening! Caroline, I admire your tolerance and patience for not telling those people off! David is incredibly gorgeous, and he has such a kind and sweet look and disposition. I am delighted that you have each other as well as a loving sister and mother. How can anyone ever think he could be gay when he has you and is attracted to you. Now honey, I am gay and I am attracted to David and while I know you are beautiful, I am not attracted to you.

[@AniWatX]

Terrible host who had a tick list of items to get through. She just didn’t listen properly and was very insulting and crass with her questioning. Also if you have a major difference in hormonal make up to a male, why do members of the audience still say the gender reassignment was wrong ? It is medically a non argument. Again, they didn’t listen to the facts they just carried on with their own bigoted agenda. Caroline is a beautiful, classy lady inside and out. Her husband and family are wonderful. So pleased she found the love of her life. Wishing her every happiness always. XXX

[@andrewmiller4885]

My gosh it's hard to believe how rude and how nasty some people can be. Tula made it quite clear this was primarily a medical disorder. Three X"s and a Y chromosome. Sounds to me that this baby that was born was meant to be female. She even looked female in those early photos as a young teenage boy. Tula didn't just decide one day she wanted to be a woman. This was a serious congenital condition, a malformation of the chromosomes during the development of the fetus, and present at birth. I am so glad she did what was necessary. Now she looks the way she was meant to look and feel,..... like a woman, and she is gorgeous. These videos are old, many years old in fact. I hope Tula and her husband have had a wonderful life together,.... with many more years to come.

[@katsangwell2690]

Oh god that was awful. Well done Caroline for being pure class. You did right by leaving the UK. Sadly I think we are back to that level of ignorance again x

[@christya2488]

I never thought the British were this ignorant. Regardless of what they thought, I would have expected them to have better manners. They were so rude.

[@madhatter8253]

How times have changed thank goodness

[@monicalamb4life461]

So gorgeous !!!

[@slimdudeDJC]

Caroline is definitely the prettiest of the four (three on the panel) But her, her sister and the host have gorgeous legs!!!

[@BlytheWorld1972]

I think that presenter should have an operation Totally unprofessional and the questions and bigots disgust me .i wont go there but the hate was coming from one race so tragic .. and shameful .

[@BlytheWorld1972]

x

[@AndresRamirez-ge7tb]

+BlytheWorld1972 I think the public in this show should have an operation. There were some bigoted closed mind people in there. Like the woman asking if her husband was really happy, or if Caroline and David had think it through about having their child.

[@littlecasino60]

+BlytheWorld1972...And it is still this way today. I was working with a black lady, and briefly a beginning male-to-female came in as an intern, and this lady mercilessly badmouthed her while referring to her as "he" and "him." She said that god made her a man and no one, including HR, was going to force her to refer to the TG person as a she.

[@BlytheWorld1972]

+Lani Moore so sad x

[@jasminee671]

the hate was obviously coming from black people in the audience. no need to be discreet about it; they behaved in a shameful and heinous manner. They do not represent the entirety of that demographic. their sentiments are not shared by me in the least bit. I think Caroline is a woman of pure grace, beauty, and intellect..and I'm sorry she had to go through that.

[@Prieze868]

Goodness for the blonde woman she speaks some sense

[@1991-present]

They are not even acknowledging her chromosomal disorder. Tula has 3 X chromosomes and 1 Y. Pure ignorance.

[@nathitaxo]

When tula said that? When did she said she was XXY Klinefelter?

[@LuisPerez-ik1zx]

@@nathitaxo most people with Klinefelters have XXY, but Tula’s chromosomal pattern is XXXY.

[@Prieze868]

Caroline is amazing there is no stigma and she is wonderful

[@annerhoads8491]

TELL THEM CAROLIN ! SOME PEOPLE ARE JUST SO STUCK IN THE BOX YOU KNOW MY MUM AND SISTER AND I LIVED NOT FAR FROM I IN THE UK FOR A BIT THEN YOU AND I FINALLY MET IN Atlana GA And as you know were friends since but lol u know tha 🌻🌻🌻😊 Tracy

[@DearHumanity]

"I just have to ask" No, no you do not 😹🙈

[@zarajenkins6948]

I couldn't complete this video, awful rude presenter and ignorant audience...Caroline is so beautiful

[@MastersGraduate2023]

The guy speaking on 21:31 was on Delroy's show about interracial relationships.

[@claudiomeneses9859]

What an awful people in that tv show.

[@crtaciextra7045]

Can you make youtube videos and talk about your transition and experiences? Love you!

[@joannetucker1538]

The interviewer was so aggressive and rude. Tula was classy and articulate and her family are super supportive. The black woman says I don't know what you are. The ignorance

[@italyty]

1;22 PISSED ME OFF A "MALE PIN UP"

[@caterinazetyny1256]

GODDESS, Alluring , actress and model, congratulations , very wise,wity , amazing

[@kristinnoelle]

It is really shitty how the interviewer is speaking to Tula! It seems as if she is attacking her and trying to get a rise out of her. And Tula is not having it. She is answering all questions with class and poise.

[@Prieze868]

Man is talking some sense how God bless you

[@neondemon7617]

Ive no recollection of this show.what channel was it on ?

[@johnnj3858]

Classy, talented and incredibly beautiful. I always had a crush.😁💖💯

[@jackiehooks8613]

That's one beautiful woman I hope she has a wonderful life.

[@Flowering_Glume]

"inflict" on her child? That's laughable. As if the kids aren't running in droves nowadays to inflict themselves! Why do people think you can filter the world for children. They have eyes and ears. They can make their own inferences and judgments.

[@MastersGraduate2023]

I recorded this on my vcr over 20 years ago & I only was interested in the lady' s comment at 20:34.

[@jessicaboone1690]

Pam, you are incredibly beautiful as well.

[@fundatunc]

Such wonderful woman

[@MrLetmein2011]

Having just gotten over the shock of the ignorant ****"s in the audience now lets discuss the hostess. No, lets not…… Shite!! enough said.

[@TerryBubbler]

Obviously viewing this show in today's understanding, this would now come across as politically incorrect. Crystal was asking questions based on the consensus of the day. Judging this show on the basis of today's understanding is illogical.

[@Germania72]

OMG, this was difficult to watch. Although I understand people were much more ignorant in those days.

[@srinilokugalappaththi9996]

When i was a child i saw Charles angels since then she is my angel no matter what and who she is i only know she is very.beautiful woman

[@algallego]

He wasn't a Charlie's Angel. He was a bond "girl." Sadly, poise is an inefficient cover for one who beguiles others

[@biancanatal3204]

The same crass, stupid questions and attitudes over and over...ugh!

[@nikimnray8377]

Love Tula ,a lot of bitterness in the audience

[@nikimnray8377]

The irony of so called normal people 🙄

[@gordontaylor2242]

Hi . I like your close eye rings an hair looks good . I would like to see you on KZbin On Mari Panzi she has video on KZbin I would to see her show . I think that you could help some of Tran people .

[@Prieze868]

Omg hes happy.stoo the judging shed be a grt mom

[@madamc3458]

I have NEVER come across this presenter?! I have never heard of this rinky dink channel!? What a narrow minded audience. Urrghh. I can't switch off though because Caroline and her family have held their own (along with her friend).

[@stevieboymkii]

Haha, damn - so early on she is querying whether the guest is okay to say 'clitoris' at the time of day and then not that much later goes straight in with, 'how's your sex life', 'can you have an orgasm'... The clapping to the statements of 'always a man' was a bit much. Sometimes, if people have their opinion, you're never going to change it but it was tough to see a hurtful comment being clapped and the you don't look like you're happy question - how happy can you be when you're getting all sorts of invasive questions chucked at you but she has to ask of course. God, this was all over the place but as everyone has said, handled with decorum.

[@ralex3697]

Some of the audience were kind, others were just plain awful

[@elgeneralxx]

i love the crystal rose show!!

[@winstonhg]

People so rude

[@beverlynielsen860]

PROUD OF WHAT PAT??

[@Mapqwerry]

Did they ever have a child? I hope so.

[@deealone5191]

No. I follow her on Facebook and they never had a child. She actually hasn't posted anything on Facebook in 2 or 3 years, though. I'm not sure what happened to her.

[@Prieze868]

Wicked

[@simonmartin8489]

Wow seems so old fashioned

[@Prieze868]

There are also a methodus transgender woman aren't the only ones it's also hermaphrodites

[@Iloveflowers2024]

The term used these days is Intersex, the medical field no longer use the outdated term, hermaphrodite.

[@MOTHATALKS]

Blacks

[@cakeprincess7756]

They're pretty honest people from what I can see. Good on them

[@Eurafrican]

Chrystal Rose and her daughter Louise are two very beautiful women. I personally think Chrystal Rose was a better interviewer than Trisha Goddard whose show ran for longer. And no, I am not comparing them just because they are each black British. I'm comparing them as daytime presenters.

[@NickyM_0]

Euro-African This interview was the worst ever! How could you compare Crystal Rose to Trisha? She is not in Trisha's league! This interview was cold, lacked sensitivity or finness and questions were asked in a rushed fashion, disengaged fashion (like someone in her ear was directing her and she was listening to them and not engaged with her own questions or the answers, just rushing through everything like a bull in a china shop! There was zero connection/chemistry/engagement between Crystal and the audience also.

[@kayfay2535]

Jenny Jerome this was the 90s. They all handled this topic this way.

[@lesviesblanchescomptent]

Not such thing as euro-African you’re just a black person in a continent you don’t belong

[@Eurafrican]

@@lesviesblanchescomptent and you are a troll. Bore off. Plus I am one of many Euro-Africans, as I have one European parent and one African parent. It's pretty self explanatory within my screenname. I'm one of thousands. Go and educate yourself!-

[@Prieze868]

Ingnorant

[@elgeneralxx]

10:40 brother speaking truth

[@jdsdddds]

You came here, watched the interview, just for that?

[@elgeneralxx]

@@jdsdddds yes. yes i did!!!

[@aprilsummers6447]

Nah he was just misinformed and you are ignorant.

[@elgeneralxx]

@@aprilsummers6447 oh yah your a poop nose!

[@elgeneralxx]

this is a free country they can dress and identify however they want but. still think theres something wrong

[@annr3800]

Caroline's story is a little different but Caroline is still male. May have been some type of trauma in his life.

[@vforsejrv7801]

No she is not a male anymore!! And she didn’t even have normal chromosomes . Why do you feel the need to say something like that?? You don’t need to have ben through a trauma to be a transgender. You are born like that. Think you should educate yourself before comment on something you obviously doesn’t know anything about at all. 🙄

[@elgeneralxx]

I agree something is wrong with him

[@1991-present]

OK. She actually isn't trans. She's intersex her chromosomes are XXXY

[@elgeneralxx]

@@1991-present and you tell me what the hell the difference is?

[@jennysquibb7440]

@@1991-present Being intersex and trans are not mutually exclusive. There is overlap in the situations for some people.

[@HShreve]

The saying goes. She who laughs last, laughs hardest. All those people who made rude comments and even this talk show host are long forgotten. Your legacy and all you did for the trans community lives on. I watched you on Geraldo when I was about 7 years old, and I was glued to the tv. I knew I was trans then but couldn't face it. Now I watch you on KZbin as I am starting my own transition years later. You're beautiful and smart! Thanks for all you have done for trans people around the world. At least nowadays there is FFS surgery., so I can pass. 🏳‍⚧🧚‍♂