Church Members Complicit In Its Actions | Matt-TX | The Atheist Experience 890

[@JayMaverick]

"I don't actively support a criminal organisation. I'm just an active member and support it financially." Ah religious people.

[@cegesh1459]

Yeah it's really baffeling to me and sad.

[@c.guydubois8270]

They believe truth is subjective/personal....

[@kubakorbiel]

🖤🖤🖤

[@createyouremotion-cw3qw]

you could tell the guy was struggling with it though and knew he was doing wrong by his dodging of the questions. Hopefully he's stopped supporting the church.

[@carrots001]

@@cegesh1459 I

[@TajFaerie]

The very act of giving an organization your money IS support. Period.

[@imnotdavidxnsx]

"this box with shit in it is nothing special" "I think it is" Religion summed up in 5 seconds.

[@imnotdavidxnsx]

@Mike Seork in imaginary shit-filled box that is worshiped.

[@johns1625]

If the box with shid in it gave you AIDS 😂

[@yespub234]

His laugh at 19:08 was beautiful. It was the moment, he realized he had been got! If he says "Yes" then he's without morals. But if he says "No" then he's a hypocrite. Exquisitely played Matt.

[@davidroache8655]

Priceless!!!!!

[@OverlordShamala]

In Mexico, my aunt reaction when she learned a catholic priest had intimate relation with a teenager: "I do not condone what "el Padrecito" did, but I forgive him. But I know it's that hussy fault!" The guy continued being the priest of the church, the young woman was beaten-up & run out of town. That wasn't his first fling with a young woman. And it was all & good as long as he confessed his 'sin' & repented. What a deal!

[@mdug7224]

A history of religion repeating itself unchecked in light of indoctrination. Very sad.

[@W3RK1Nit]

I wonder how much different your aunt might feel if it were teenage boys the priest was bedding?

[@OverlordShamala]

@@W3RK1Nit This was more than 20 years ago I spoke with my aunt. Hearing a news about priest abusing boys. She sided with the priests, saying these boys are obviously Satan worshipers going after good saintly priest.

[@OverlordShamala]

@@W3RK1Nit These Godly men can never do evil. She stated that's proof it's the begging of the persecution of 'real' Christians. Which she said many times & she meant, Protestant & any denomination that read the KJV bible are pretenders & blasphemers, & are really 'communist atheist'.

[@snooganslestat2030]

Damn. I hope whoever suffered due to the priest & church is far away from those people and well.

[@vilkoskorlich259]

Starving children! Morality "Does your god see those children starving?" "Yes." "Does he have the power to feed them?" "Let me change the subject before I realize how evil my god would be if it existed." Answer this one question.. Please.. "If god exists yet he cannot protect children from being sexually abused in his own place of worship then what good is he?"

[@WolflordFenrisVargr]

Nicely put.

[@zeroinfo4635]

If god is real and let's all the evil shit happen I rather be on Satan side at least he is honest about what he is

[@denverarnold6210]

@@zeroinfo4635 Has a lower body count, too.

[@zeroinfo4635]

@@denverarnold6210 that is true

[@guytheincognito4186]

@@denverarnold6210 He/it infact has no body count.. If we're to believe what the bible says. Christians just believe he does because pastors says alot about him that has no basis in scripture. The closest they get is fallaciously cherry picking passages about stars and kings and construct some non-biblical narrative. Because a "villlan" without a backstory isn't much of an compelling villan.🤦‍♂️ Yeah this people are that gullible and the reification fallacy lies at the heart of all of their beliefs.🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️

[@karenmandeville7116]

man, the tap dancing and contortions this guy is doing are insane. so hard to get through the indoctrination.

[@johnd.shultz7423]

I feel this caller is easily one of the sickest,most twisted individuals ever to display his slime on Athiest Experience...

[@squatter2983]

Mental gymspastics.

[@theresawilliams4296]

Most people like this guy fold themselves into human pretzels just to believe their religion. What gets me is that if they really followed their bible word for word, the world and everything on it would be in serious trouble.

[@mistersippi2945]

“I’ve consistently contributed awareness to it”. Did this dude just say he’s “fixing” the organization he worships at, and monetarily supports, by acknowledging the fact that it moved pedophiles around to avoid punishment?

[@WhoThisMonkey]

Yes. The scarier thing is, he doesn't see anything wrong about it either.

[@johnd.shultz7423]

He's just making empty claims that are most likely total exaggerations and lies,this guy doesnt care about children! he's blinded by his greed for heaven.

[@edheal3246]

Lets assume that the Catholic church is not interested in punishment. They do the Priest shuffle and put them back in a similar position where they can continue with sex abuse of children.

[@kaiza6467]

“If a country is bad, you can’t just leave it and start a better one!” Apparently he doesn’t know how his OWN country was founded. 😂

[@Magar6]

Yeah but don't be disingenuous. That takes a LOT of collective effort. The caller is right, most people can't just leave and start a better country. Heck, many people cannot even leave their country due to visa issues and costs involved. Kaiza, don't be unrealistic.

[@kaiza6467]

@@Magar6 The caller was claiming that it COULDN’T happen, when it demonstrably has, in his own country. What do you mean “don’t be unrealistic” about an event that literally happened, and has happened throughout history?

[@kaiza6467]

@@Magar6 and if all it takes is collective effort, don’t you think there would probably be enough Catholics who are opposed to child rape to make that happen? Like, surely if the anti-child rape Catholics took their money, community and just moved to another church or started their own, that would solve their problem of “we want to worship Jesus but we don’t want to fund child rapists.”

[@JanetStarChild]

The irony there is that the US wound up being much worst than the UK.

[@lizmol-san]

The distaste this conversation left in my mouth, heart is indescribable.

[@dragowolfraven3806]

I am in awe of the mental gymnastics required to defend crap like this.

[@ajclements4627]

@SPEIRS OMNHURST Look, everyone’s really tired of hearing about your “moist rock” fetish. Get new material.

[@69eddieD]

@SPEIRS OMNHURST Sock Puppet number 67

[@soren_hero247]

@SPEIRS OMNHURST I know right? Humans are so bereft of INTELLIGENCE that they barely figured out how to turn Thor's lighting and magic sand into Thinking crystals that blink so fast that you and I can communicate without even being in the same room, while watching pixels on a screen. Imagine what humans could do with some actual INTELLIGENCE. Because, you know, they did do that. But your argument, is that some INTELLIGENCE created a universe, this universe to be precise, and decided to include you in its "INTELLIGENT" design? Lol

[@heavymeddle28]

@John Wood he never takes a day off 😅

[@heavymeddle28]

@SPEIRS OMNHURST the wheels on the bus goes round and round... "idk how this possibly could have happened so god did it" Never a day off, my friend? 😂

[@DavoidJohnson]

Jen's "judging you by your actions" was his nemesis.

[@MaskOfCinder]

28:13

[@lpronovost84]

The pope was OK with supporting Hitler. What about the inquisition? All good Christian values?

[@DoctorZisIN]

"Señore Gambino your organization is a crime syndicate. I disapprove". "Are you going to do something about it?" "Well, no. I'm trying to change it from the inside by being obedient to everything you say". "Good boy".

[@okiepita50t-town28]

Sorry I had to bail at 16:50. He was just talking in circles about nothing. Here a fact: if you continue to support an organization that is raping children then you are complicit and no better than the people committing these crimes.

[@Mewse1203]

"You haven't ever supported a person in a general way while not agreeing with their actions?" Of course we have, I have been the person that has gotten support through bad actions. But there are certain actions that I would never have expected my family to support me through. I'm not going to keep people in my life who rape children, and I would expect the same from any person with a modicum of a moral compass.

[@caseyconnell9336]

Battle of the Matts. This was so fun, he kept thinking in circles, it was especially clear when he responded to the question about what the church does that he likes, with “I like the church building more churches”

[@r0ky_M]

Caller doesn't want to rock the RC churches boat and risk excommunication/ promise of a place in heaven.

[@johnd.shultz7423]

You hit the nail right on the head!

[@Pohgrey]

Should ask him if he thinks any of his money goes to the Catholic child rape defense fund... I would be too ashamed to admit that I was Catholic if I were.

[@mistersippi2945]

Well he “constantly contributes awareness” to the fact that the ancient, corrupt organization he uses to substantiate his entire identity used to knowingly help pedophiles escape punishment.

[@WhoThisMonkey]

You wouldn't be a Catholic simply because of that shame.

[@alanthomson1227]

Most are .

[@Mostopinionatedmanofalltime]

Catholics aren’t unique in their BS. It applies to all religions.

[@Pohgrey]

@@Mostopinionatedmanofalltime oh sure, I agree. The Catholics just helped popularize the stereotype.

[@freddan6fly]

In my opinion Tim Minchin says it best with his "The Pope Song".

[@evolutionaryadvantage]

Love Tim! He is extremely talented

[@freddan6fly]

@@ookeekthelibrarian Yes I also found out. Sometimes even linking to his videos are autodeleted.

[@hegyak]

“With or without religion, good people can behave well and bad people can do evil; but for good people to do evil - that takes religion.” Why have Laws if God is supposed to Sort it all out later on? Why bother having Falable Humans try and enforce laws at all? Culties won't take on issues like this. It upsets them.

[@hegyak]

@John Wood If you accept Magic Sky Son, ALL is Forgiven.

[@ajclements4627]

Yup, be a D all your life, say I’m really really really sorry to the invisible wizard in the sky, BAM, all is forgiven.

[@cavecookie1]

Such a good little Catholic...another success story for the Pope!

[@wtfjesus8251]

but not so much for the children 🥴✌️

[@wtfjesus8251]

@Mike Seork "the pedos money" is some crypto$ as U working on it, or U have a something different on U mind?

[@davidroache8655]

😂😂😂😂😂 Love it!

[@marthasalter405]

I have a Catholic friend who is as bad as this, if not worse. The fear instilled in these folks from childhood is strong.

[@malenfant21m]

Many years too late, but as an ex-Catholic I want to underscore a central aspect of Catholicism: Catholics believe that the Pope is God's representative on Earth. To create a new church is to no longer follow the Pope, which is turning your back on God. This is a huge hurdle to most Catholics.

[@maskedmarauder3278]

He is just driving the getaway car. The other people rob the bank.

[@luv2fly745]

To try to justify the unjustifiable...is the phrase he's stuttering to spit out.

[@kaiza6467]

I couldn’t help myself and had to laugh when he said the church wouldn’t be the church without the child r@pe lmao

[@Magar6]

@@kaiza6467 He didn't say that. He said it wouldn't be the same if he tried to set up a rival church with everything except the child rape. And he's right. It would be a 1 man tin pot band with no parishioners and no funds. I'm an atheist, but the caller has a fair point - he cannot just set up rival churches easily. Matt was very foolish to use that box analogy, it didn't work. Also Catholics believe in apostolic succession so Matt's analogy was way off point. Don't use weak arguments when you can use strong ones.

[@kaiza6467]

@@Magar6 if it’s so hard for different versions of Christian churches to be created, I wonder how all the thousands of different denominational churches came to be? Must be a miracle. I think it’s a fair point, if you want to worship Jesus there are ways that don’t involve helping child rapists. If it’s so hard to start a church, then just switch to an existing one that isn’t a criminal organisation. 🤷‍♂️

[@kaiza6467]

@@Magar6 like, let’s say I have a favourite pizza store I go to every time. Then one day I find out that the people running the store go out every night and poison old people. And they’re using the money I pay them with to buy the poison. Personally, I don’t want to fund old people poisoning. I would find a different pizza store that hopefully doesn’t poison old people. I wouldn’t go “yeah but you know, it’s the place I’ve been going to all this time, I still like their food, it wouldn’t be the same, I can’t just leave and it’s too hard to start a rival pizza store so I’m sticking with them. Yeah my money’s going to poisoning oldies but hey, it’s for the greater good.”

[@kaiza6467]

@@Magar6 or if that’s a bad example, let’s use an example the caller actually brought up. “Even if your family was terrible, you can’t just leave and start your own family.” Let’s say I got along fairly well with my family. Then one day I find out that my Dad kept kidnapped sex slaves in the basement. And I am NOT ok with that, that’s messed up. But according to the caller, just because they’re MY family, I should silently be in opposition and stay in the house above the sex dungeon as if there was nothing wrong. And according to you, just because it’s so difficult to start a new family, which would involve either finding another family to get adopted in to or meeting a special someone, getting married and having children (phew, so much work!), that it’s unreasonable to even try. Basically the caller’s family is much bigger, richer and the sex slaves are much younger.

[@ericgranberg8893]

That was so fucking sad. All it takes for evil to prosper, is for a few good men to do nothing.

[@phillipseifert694]

This guy makes me want to mock him mercilessly and rip into and shred all his dogma But in reality … I’d walk blocks out of my way in 100% humidity just to avoid him

[@johnd.shultz7423]

He's gained religion and completely lost any real conscience....

[@phillipseifert694]

@@johnd.shultz7423 I find it impossible to subscribe to beliefs of any of the mid eastern monotheistic religions holy books and still have any true sense of morality

[@kimberlybaldridge5767]

What an absolute monster. How can this liar look at himself every day? He should be so ashamed of selling out children for his comfy, no consequence institution.

[@petermirtitsch1235]

You can smell the burning rubber when asked an awkward question, as the go silent, leading up to a routine Fred Astaire would have been proud of.

[@thomasluczak2868]

problem is millions of catholics enjoy the bonding that goes along with being catholic. im atheist and was brought up catholic, went to catholic schools and had a blast. they don't realize that the casual support they give is doing very real damage.

[@trocarcat]

The Catholic Church has lots of "legal expenses" for the defense, relocation & PR for abusive clergy. meanwhile.. the local Diocese has asked that Church fees come from Funeral Homes, rather than family..they think we are their free A/R service. Lately the Catholic Cemeteries have amended 40-year old contracts to add "additional rights of burial" fees on top of usual fees, for adding urns, for example, even though they touted the ability to place 2 or more urns over each casket when they sold the grave. Also added a "delivery fee" for the delivery of the vaults they require. the best part, is that they won't add that fee to their "opening fees"- Instead they bill the vault co, who bills us, who charges the family.. WTF? they have piles of tax-free cash & property laying around.. why do they need interest free loans from local funeral directors? Oh yeah.. Altar Boy Fund.

[@r0ky_M]

RCChurch is the oldest surviving corporate scam in history ..but it didn't attain that status without the help of countless gullible fools over centuries.

[@richiejohnson]

Great analysis

[@johnd.shultz7423]

Oh, and along with pedophile clergy and their hiders and protectors the church has a widely publicized "problem" with gross financial "irregularities"

[@trimerybroymar5618]

Don't forget about the Orthodox Jewish rabbis who are abusing children or the Islamic imams who abuse the boys in the madrassas, too.

[@infamousjax]

"I support the church. I love the church. There are many other churches but this one is mine."

[@mhoppy6639]

Underrated comment! Regards, Private Joker.

[@mdug7224]

I am not sure where this saying is from:”That a good man does nothing is evil enough.”

[@soren_hero247]

"Bad men need nothing more to compass their ends, than that good men should look on and do nothing" -John Stuart Mill - Edmund Burke - JFK -Micheal Scott.

[@mdug7224]

@@soren_hero247 thank you for this. It is much clearer and says it all. As usual with well-spread phrases, the one I heard has been adjusted already.

[@mdug7224]

‘Phrases’ : quote, I mean.

[@emperordalektardis]

This guy outdoes Fred Astaire in tap dancing.

[@AmazingAutist]

You take back what you just said; NO ONE out-taps Fred Astaire

[@patsmith378]

They all do

[@emperordalektardis]

@@AmazingAutist Sorry!

[@d.banksdesigns1995]

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@robertfoye5510]

If I was a criminal, I would love a juror like this guy! He would ignore all the evidences and just want to believe me!🥴

[@jaronfeld123]

I like that story about his aunt. Spinelessness really runs in the family 😂

[@oldmate86]

The last thing we need is more churches. They take up precious real estate which could be used for buildings of economic worth or housing

[@Lupinemancer87]

Talk about being blindly in love with a church, even when he's away that it does something criminal he's willing to look the other way because he likes it too much, which he admits he won't do with anything else. The church needs to go away.

[@scottfulton267]

When they were talking about a "love organization", I couldn't help but think of NAMBLA.

[@SIartibartf4st]

Oh yes, the 'North American Marlon Brando Look Alike' organisation... 😜

[@bradhorowitz2765]

I hate how this caller was not willing to be courageous and self-aware. He didn’t want to acknowledge how giving money to the church makes him complicit. He couldn’t even think to himself: “hey maybe I’m not doing enough (he wasn’t even specific in how he gets his peers to think about the rape crimes), maybe I should LOBBY my church to be forced to open their financial records.” He was also oblivious to how leaving. A family can be the only and best option, I was shocked the caller never really thought about the reality many kids gay or not face when dealing with abusive, or just neglectful homes. Dude, there’s a reason why kids make up a large chunk of the homeless population….

[@matthewscott7198]

I was a Catholic church musician for over 30 years, despite being atheist, and I quit the day I saw that the church had given millions to lobby Congress to keep the statutes of limitation short for ped phile priests. If I had continued, I would absolutely have been complicit, and I do in fact believe that my coworkers and friends in the church ARE complicit in the systematic rape of children and the protection of the guilty at the expense of the abused.

[@dianejensen3420]

Wow.... just wow.... I didn't know the Catholic church lobbied for that!!! That's sickening - What absolute scumbags!!!!

[@BrianBattles]

People with this level of intelligence are exactly who religions want

[@chrispfeifer7628]

That struggle that people have when they realize that what they believe is a lie, or that the idea of morality they thought they held all turn out to be wrong is fascinating. Most become really defensive and some angry. Most will lash out at the person who is only guilty of telling them the truth.

[@lisaratley4858]

At least this dude answers questions somewhat honestly instead of twisting and turning and gaslights by. He’s wrong but he’s honest about his wrongness…. Sort of or somehow.

[@WeissTreufel]

I was raised catholic. But at the age of 14; I became aware of all the scandals and shames the church has been involved in, over the years. I promptly left and never looked back. Despite the fact that I was involved with the church at a very early age, before I knew... I still feel ashamed. I know I shouldn't. I honestly didn't know, being a sheltered child at the time. People like this guy really disgust me.

[@crispyblack8779]

So, if Matt from Austin found out that his next-door neighbor was molesting his child, would he still supports and be friends with his neighbor?

[@fredbarnesjr.1044]

Of course, he’d think he could “fix” him 🙄😡💩💩💩

[@miotch8225]

As long as he's part of the same church apparently

[@SceptiGus]

I used to work for a Catholic archdiocese. The average pew sitter has no idea. This kind of squishy thinking is exactly how they get away with it.

[@JaneDoe-go6ix]

I found out my bff's fiance raped her minor daughter. She and his family did nothing to punish him. (I called cps but the daughter denied it) and he never went to jail. She is still with him today. I had to cut her off. It was hard but the right thing to do. WTF. I couldn't support her after that!

[@Kulascus]

You did the right thing. You did everything you could to help a child and then left as you should

[@thedave1771]

6:21 “how do you know that that’s where the money is going?” “It could be going to drugs”, yeah, or to covering up criminal acts committed by folks within the organization.

[@litchfiedr]

This caller needs locking up and he would get nowhere near my kids

[@serpico1616]

Should have just asked him "what if it was your kid that was the victim?"

[@wtfjesus8251]

This will be too "extremely" for him and steel what happened with the parents of the children whomp was raped?! A few years ago I followed this shit but it's too drastic for the average person, for example I started reacting aggressively when I saw a man in a cassock. Is bad!

[@noracola5285]

Your estimation of religious people's character is too high

[@ScienceNotFaith]

This is how dictators think. They lack empathy. The fact that he can't realize the harm, suffering and mental torture that the organization he supports causes, means he doesn't care. As long as he doesn't have to see or deal with it, then the "feel good" aspects of the church outweigh all else. It's frightening and pathetic to see people who are demonstrably incapable of caring for their fellow humans and doing harm against them - even if indirectly. I can't tell you how many organizations and people I've dropped from my life because they are like that. I may not have those social ties or friendships anymore, but I believe I'm way better off.

[@onlychangeiscertain]

Bad things happen because good people do nothing.

[@petermeichan3160]

i've never understood why people think ' families ' are so great or important

[@EricRedekop]

I'm reminded of the oft-misquoted axiom, "Blood is thicker than water." The "blood" here does NOT refer to family (if "blood" is "family", what does the "water" represent?). The correct, complete axiom, seldom quoted in its entirety, is "The blood of battle is thicker than the water of the womb," meaning that those folks who share your struggles and experience are more likely to be supportive allies than anyone who simply shares a few genes with you. Indeed, the person most likely to f*ck you over is a blood relation, because you trust them without justification.

[@petermeichan3160]

@@EricRedekop as they say you can't pick your family, shame

[@sohu86x]

So powerful family members raping children and being covered up by more powerful family members isn't extreme enough to reform/leave the family?

[@jaycol21]

Dude is acting like the Catholic Church is just guilty of littering and not *ABUSING CHILDREN*

[@TakoIbarra]

This old classic always delivers!

[@hamster4618]

Church of England did just that. But then over a king wanting to divorce and remarry. Sexual abuse within a church seems like a better reason to start a new church.

[@kingpeer14]

"I don't think that's what they do in genaral" whahahahahahahha

[@WannaBeeGiemzer]

"Dont go to church. God aint there. Even Jesus hated the pharisees." - Mom

[@robtay1963]

Ritualistic Cannibalism, can't believe I accepted it as OK for so many years of my life, so glad I embraced the darkness of Atheism. 😁

[@brentmiller3951]

I am greatful for Christians like this guy .he has made more athiests with his views

[@davidewersphotography1013]

there is a church that is called the church of england that has almost all og the same qualities in thier practices.

[@unseenhero7498]

i can tell you from experiance the church does almost nothing to directly help the poor and homeless most of the money goes to adminitration that doesnt do much

[@EricRedekop]

Or, they make their so-called "charity" contingent upon the victim first submitting to toxic sermons and pathetically useless prayers.

[@BW-ht5ci]

This stuff goes on in Protestant churches too

[@ronniecortex4936]

Protestant churches are their daughters.

[@BW-ht5ci]

@@ronniecortex4936 I know that however Pentecostal churches started through tent meetings or revival services

[@pinky9440]

It happened in the church I was in. It happened in other Congregations. There was child r*pe, there was pastors r*ping boys who spoke to them about having gay thoughts, so they r*ped them and use the threat of telling everyone so that the kids would stay silent. They only spoke up as adults, a lot being shunned by their immediate family for speaking up against the church. There is money being stolen, there is marriages being ruined by pastors having affairs with congregation members, and the list goes on. I caught wind of the r*pe scandal and started looking into it. The church told us all, as in there was an international church-wide announcement that the Congregations in Europa have to pay millions in Euros because of some tax status that was incorrect. Meantime the church was paying those millions as part of settlements for court cases. Needless to say, I stopped going to that church. Ten years on, and I am now an atheist

[@ciprianpopa1503]

This guy would stay with his priest and church even if his name would be Gilles de Rais.

[@Codswallop58]

This caller is completely divorced from reality

[@briancomley8210]

How far can stupidity go?. He's saying anything to cover his belief. Matt should give the caller a roundabout.

[@denverarnold6210]

Wow, that ending was dishonest. Tried to bring up prostitutes as though it were comparable to child rape. Regardless of your opinion on it, it is factually not as bad (I'd argue good) as child rape since A. no children are involved and B. It's consensual, so not rape. Please note: that those forced into the lifestyle or profession and/or feel they have no other choice are in a much more grey area than I mentioned above. It was under the assumption they freely chose to do so.

[@pauldouglas4158]

In Vietnam we could certainly question what we would consider an immoral order

[@thomascanfield8571]

Charlie Manson had a "love" organization

[@keithulhu]

I like what Dennis Miller said about the Catholic Church, that there should be a Catholic escrow account set up for tithes and donations, so they get their hands on our money when they get their hands off our kids.

[@sladechimera2837]

Supporting a loved one hoping that their crime won't define who they are is not analogous to throwing money at a church so they can avoid punishment and continue abusing kids

[@tweetymonkey]

I'm pretty sure this caller is a troll. Same guy who was 'Mark from Stone Church'.

[@jamesreagle245]

I wrote a letter of apology to Vietnam for being there in 1969 and as an army soldier I was complicit in supporting a government at war that had no moral excuse for being in. Yes - being a member of a corrupt organization makes us corrupt also

[@jeanhartely]

You seem like an honest person with integrity. It must be difficult, having to process those experiences. I hope you have been able to make peace with yourself.

[@jamesreagle245]

@@jeanhartely peace with ourselves is an important ongoing day to day thing we all must deal with.

[@jeanhartely]

@@jamesreagle245 True.

[@themadmanescaped1]

He doesn't support what the Catholic church is doing.... but gives them money anyway... Something tells me he doesn't care about what they do and supports it.

[@tedgrant2]

We don't need to go to Church to find out about God. We have the internet which has thousands of sermons. And we can watch them without having to donate !

[@garystubbs5519]

I was raised catholic. But I left because transubstantiation left a bad taste in my mouth.

[@FSrevolution]

He raised awareness guys! Problem solved!

[@harriemei6781]

As Matt always says ; this is what religion does to otherwise normal people.

[@peetrpeetr]

I just felt the worldwide average IQ drop

[@covertgreen]

according to the bible texts, christians therefore should believe that Jesus was a criminal against the state by committing crimes that the state clearly had in place in which Jesus blatantly broke those laws and was a criminal and punished by the laws at that time. so therefore Jesus was not a sinless sacrifice for the sins of christians.

[@r0ky_M]

Wrong..Pilate did not find Jesus guilty of contravening any Roman law.

[@r0ky_M]

...however, Tacitus and Josephus record that a Jesus was executed for crime against the Roman state, which is at total odds with scriptural account.

[@r0ky_M]

@@blarglemantheskeptic ..I find it highly unlikely ly that Pilate a Roman prefect of Judea would release a convicted insurrectionist slated for crucifixion (Barabbas) and put in his place an innocent man...a laughable absurd account by Christians.

[@r0ky_M]

...hence why I'm more inclined to believe Tacitus and Josephus than some illogical account by anonymous gospel authors.

[@r0ky_M]

@@blarglemantheskeptic yes Josephus does seem to have some Christian interpolation, but other parts of Josephus like Tacitus are at odds with the account in scripture..IMO those two identifiable non Christian authors outweigh anonymous Christian gospel authors...I'd say the offshoot Jesus cult twisted the narrative to make it look like they killed an innocent man.

[@chrisgrill6302]

When you represent God, you don't get to make any mistakes. None.

[@chaosryans]

I don't like that my brother is buying meth, but im not going to stop giving him $200 in cash every weekend

[@oldmanaz.6811]

You can report bad actions to your superiors in the military, because you are pretty much property. You are an individual in society and can stop going to a church that is evil. If you continue to go you are complicit in the actions and a moron if you think otherwise.

[@bubbercakes528]

Scot is a sad individual who has given way his right to think and act in a moral manner.

[@Rasp63]

20:15 they broke the caller!!

[@banzaibobA7V]

Any time I hear "essence" all I can hear is a group of Skeksis crying for more XD.

[@bikerjon8934]

unbelievable rationalization

[@candido7491]

Twisted reasoning = indoctrination .

[@hardatk27]

This is the best call ever.

[@barrythomson899]

It can be very hard for an individual to break free of years,of conditioning. The RC church has centuries of experience in maintaining its existence and power. The reputation of institution is all important

[@jaymorgan7728]

But if you got rid of the fiddlers it just wouldn't be the church!

[@Maverick21491]

“With or without religion, good people can behave well and bad people can do evil; but for good people to do evil - that takes religion.” -Steven Weinberg . You can see a radical political views as religion btw . -Maverick21491

[@wtfjesus8251]

Christopher Hitchens

[@meusana3681]

if jesus was real, and heard this call, he would be IN the vatican right now, flipping some more tables.

[@peterlennox4828]

This caller has serious problems with Dunning-Kruger.

[@squatter2983]

These callers all have the same clone like voice as each other.

[@ARoll925]

This dude is either a troll or one of the most ignorant people i have ever heard on this show

[@mTsp4ce]

Wow! The show was really different back then. Matt was listening to the caller a lot more, even when he derailed the conversation. The new Matt would have interrupted with 'I DON'T CARE THAT YOU SUPPORT AND LOVE THE CHURCH, I ASKED WHYYYY!'. I guess at some point listening to the same dumb arguments over and over again voids you of any kind of patience.

[@shaderunner7.0]

I think you would want to try keep the conversation where it should be if you been derailed constantly for 16 years on a show with limited time to air :p

[@miotch8225]

Matt's essentially said as much. That he doesnt want to waste the audiences time on calls that will go nowhere with the same bs arguments hes been hearing for 20 years. So get to the point and dont waste the audience's time