Cinelli Nemo Tig Review. (Shocking conclusions!)

[@Norm0770]

Hi Reginald, good and thoughtful review. I've got a Cinelli Nemo Tig Disc built with Campagnolo Record, and Campagnolo Bora WTO 45 wheels, and I love it! It is heavy (8.8 kg), but so am I (188 cm and 100 kg), so I have always thought of weight as less important than most cyclists. I agree with all of the high points you mentioned: the beautiful lines, the great handling, the inertia, and the ease of service. Of course the bling factor is also noticeable with many people commenting on the frame! As far as the lows, I have say my experience is quite different. I find the bike accelerates very well. The BB and front end are very stiff and all of my power is converted to forward motion instantly. I have not ridden the latest carbon frames, but the Nemo certainly holds its own when compared to my 2012 Pinarello Prince (also with Campy Bora WTO wheels). I also find the bike quite comfortable, with long days in the saddle being much more tolerable than on the aforementioned Pinarello. As a heavy rider I don't climb particularly well, so I won't comment on how the bike climbs, but if I had to guess I'd say poorly, because of its extra heft. As with most cyclists in my age range, when I began cycling steel was the almost ubiquitous as a frame material, and then the new materials started to come: aluminium, titanium, carbon... so for may years I rode on aluminium and carbon bikes, but when I got the Nemo the bike felt alive in a way that those other materials just don't.

[@reginaldscot165]

I think my problem is I have been spoiled by my other bikes so badly that the shortcomings of the Tig seem too obvious to me? My titanium bike is lighter, faster and way more comfortable and my old luged steel bike is much heavier and less stiff than the tig but very comfortable. But it’s not to say the Tig is a bad bike, it just depends on what you compare it with. 🙂

[@PaulDemos-zi8nm]

​@@reginaldscot165is ok ok

[@edouardpalu3344]

I recently got a Cinelli Nemo TIG in the gravel version and I’ve been quite happy with it, although it’s only an initial impression after just a few rides. I’ve found it very comfortable even on quite bumpy gravel roads, but of course the geometry is different from your road version and the tires are much wider, forgiving gravel tires. Despite its weight (about 10 kg with Campagnolo Ekar parts) I found it to be surprisingly fast on those difficult gravel roads.

[@reginaldscot165]

My gravel bike is also steel and about 12kg… but it does a great job on gravel. 37mm tyres help! 😁 Thanks for your comment! PS. I have actually ridden the Nemo on light gravel as well during my testing but didn’t include it in the final cut. 🙂

[@edouardpalu3344]

@@reginaldscot165 Anyway, I suppose my gravel version is a different bike altogether, with a longer wheelbase etc, it has nothing like the quick handling you describe for your road Nemo. Which is fine by me for a gravel bike. For a road bike I like a nervous bike with reactive handling, just like you.

[@dl6860]

How is your paint holding up now?

[@thanqol]

Nice review. I bought the bike for workouts, I don't do races. I primarily went for aestethics and the durability of steel, so for me the pros outweigh the cons. The quality of the paint is regrettable, however. I've got several chips already, after just half a season 😞

[@reginaldscot165]

Yes the paint is quite disappointing. I expected more from such a prestigious company? Thank you for the comment! 🙏🏻

[@maustar6746]

As Italian, and owner of an old steel bike, I think that, if you desire a steel bike, best solution is look for a vintage frame, e.g. an historical Colnago. Top solution is a Colnago Master mark two (with Precisa straight fork) but also cheaper Mexico or Super frames ar good and enjoyable. Otherwise, good contemporary alternative is a current Pegoretti frame: still traditional high quality construction but modern very nice paintings.

[@reginaldscot165]

As a part Italian I totally agree with you. Classic steel is better. 👍🏻 Thank you for your comment!

[@stewartstockdale423]

Good to see a white fiz-ik saddle on your bike , I`m going to do the same next week .

[@reginaldscot165]

Unfortunately it got replaced with black… but the white one has moved to my steel gravel bike. 🙂

[@Canadian666]

I have the same frame and color, but not the soft paint issue, probably mine was a stocked frame, the painting was done long ago. If yours are made to order as Cinelli usually done, it will like automobile, freshly painted car will have softer paint in first few months. About the twitchy control, all modern Cinelli steel bikes are crit oriented, so yes, you either love it or hate it.

[@reginaldscot165]

I love the control, it’s the best handling bike I have currently out of the 4. 🙂

[@kris8165]

That's the thing I like about the heavy-ish steel bikes, initially they can feel slow,but once you accelerate that bike,it just holds that speed! Long time ago, I had a 14 kg heavy fixed gear bike,and that bike was just flying once it accelerated! To this day,that was probably my fastest bike ever! That cheap high tensile steel was surprisingly fast!😅 Greetings from Croatia from Kris 😎

[@reginaldscot165]

Lovely! ❤️🙂

[@skinnie88]

You are not alone on the paint issue . A friend of mine has a Nemo gravel and already had issues. Cinelli answer was to give a discount on a new paint, which was still expensive

[@reginaldscot165]

That’s disappointing, you would think a company experienced in Steel bikes for so long would know how to paint them by now? Yes that’s standard policy of most bike Brand’s, something is wrong that is there fault but they are happy to charge you to fix it. 🙄 Thank you for the information. Safe riding! 🙏🏻

[@al-du6lb]

A true bike connoisseur you are, Reginald.

[@reginaldscot165]

Ha ha, maybe one day I might be. 😅 Thank you for your comment! 🙏🏻

[@markfisher7962]

It would be interesting to come up with some way to quantify "stiffness," "compliance," and shock absorption. We've had a century of opinion, but no numerical descriptors. It reminds me of how some cigarettes were described as "mild" when blind testing showed no difference. As a measurement, I imagine a shake table with a measured frequency and amplitude as input and transducers on seat, handlebars, and pedals as output. This would have to be validated through comparison to existing bikes. (I suspect the bigger manufacturers secretly do this already.) For this bike's stiffness, the stiffness of a beam depends far more on its dimensions than on its material. Large diameter tubing will have a VERY predictable effect.

[@reginaldscot165]

Interesting, you would need to control a lot of Variables? Type/size of frame, saddle, seatpost, stem, bar, pedals, length of crank, type of wheel and so on. Also the rider weight, or whatever machine used to do this test. The other issue is we have issues with manufacturers coming up with their own scales. Like for example Fizik have a 1 to 10 measure of stiffness for shoes, but that’s it? No way to know how they concluded that number? And other shoe makers use a different scale. However, I do agree and like your idea. It would be a very useful thing to have when buying a bike because the language used currently is so subjective. Thanks for the comment!

[@jojoanggono3229]

The Nemo Tig is very pretty. Though there is one thing I don't understand, Cinelli want to build a steel bike with stiffness of a carbon bike, but which does not have the weight advantage of a carbon bike.

[@reginaldscot165]

That’s what I thought… 🤷🏻‍♂️ It’s like a glass hammer or a chocolate kettle?

[@tweed0929]

I've very extensive experience with Italian steel bikes and got to tell you there are mistakes you made while considering purchasing of this bike. 1. All steel bikes disregarding their constructuion (lugged, welded, brazed) are hard at getting up to speed. They don't accelerate as rapidly as aluminum and carbon frames. That's a given. You don't buy steel frame to accelerate fast. 2. You've bought steel bike with oversized tubing. Steel is naturally springy, but sizing up, you end up with the stuff that's becoming too stiff. With proper load everythig can flex, but nobody gets fatter to "load the frame properly". Only heavyweight tourism warrants stiff frame that gets flexy only when you load 30 kg of equipment, clothing and food for multi-day solo adventure somewhere in the mountains. There's the reason why nobody rides touring bikes without the load for fun or commuting. Touring bike must be loaded to be springy. Cinelli Nemo Tig isn't one. 3. Tig welding. The part of awesome springy feel of steel lies in lugged construction. Lugs + butted tubes = double springiness. Welded and fillet brazed frames aren't as springy and comfortable as lugged frames, they're stiffer and more "dead" feeling. Part of the reason why the industry has abandoned lugged construction is the weight saving. You can't make a lugged frame as light as aluminum or carbon one, because the most weight is in those investment cast lugs, not the tubes. But you can make a lugless frame as light as aluminum or carbon one. Though, Cinelli chose not to use paper-thin tube walls in this model, hence it's 3 kg weight for the frameset. My 60 and 61 centimeter Olmo and Colnago weigh less than that. 4. Carbon fork. The part of the reason to go steel is to get a steel fork. Carbon fiber fork gives you dead feeling more than anything else. I've ridden alu frame with alu fork that is more lively than a full-carbon bike, go figure! I for the life of me can not understand why manufacturers choose carbon forks instead of making fork out of proper lightweight seel alloy - this is not safe and doesn't help making the ride even softer. You can custom order a steel fork with 1.5" inch taper from some framebuilder of your choice - do that and you'll make the bike even heavier, but softer-riding. At least half of your problems will go away. What about me - I'll continue riding my lugged bikes. I don't care they're stubborn to accelerate, I'm not a racer. Can't change this unforgettable feel of steel to benefits of lighter weight. Especially if modern-day Madone weighs the same as my 61 cm farm gate, lol!

[@reginaldscot165]

Yes you have summed up all the problems with this bike very well. 👍🏻

[@dinodaniel2237]

Hey Reginald , I was looking forward to this review. sorry to hear your opinion on the bike.. It is a beautiful bike. Looking forward to your next video All the best!

[@reginaldscot165]

Trust me It wasn’t easy to say, but I’m always honest about these things. 🙂 I read some online reviews on the bike and I realise that “professional” cycling reviews are overly positive and disguise the negatives about bikes and products with words that sound good? For example “The Nemo felt composed over the rougher tarmac without feeling detached…” translation: “It’s not comfortable and I felt every bump!” 😅 Also I now wonder about reviews I see on KZbin where a “independent cycling KZbinr” says really positive things about the bike they just bought? It’s like they can’t all be great bikes right? 🤷🏻‍♂️ Thank you for the support and I look forward to making another video soon. 🙏🏻

[@cosinus_square]

Thoughtful review. Thinking back on steel and Ti frames I owned with a tapered steerer carbon fork, they've all been harsh. Lynskey something, Moda Motif Ti and 931 stainless, VIgorelli criterium bike stiff and heavy but corners like a moto gp bike if you have the legs for it, Soma Smoothie, Ritchey Logic, Speedvagen with a integrated mast boy that was a stiff one, and had a few more all long gone now. The most comfortable bikes have always been ones with steel fork and quill stem. Before you slam quills for being flexible, let me assure you steel quill stems are not flexible at all. 2 bikes that I will never sell, a Peugeot PSV10, SuperVitus 980 steel frame and fork, steel quill stem, carbon seatpost, carbon handlebars and 40mm deep alloy wheels 25mm tubeless GP5k and a Peugeot PX10 Reynolds 531 frame and low trail fork with a aluminium quill, rando handlebar, seatpost and shallow rims, 32mm tubeless Gravelkings. The PSV is sharp and whippy while the PX10 just planes over the road, both 1inch steerers. Now I do like my TCR SL rim brake as well but for other reasons.

[@reginaldscot165]

Thank you for offering your personal experience, it’s really useful information to know. Yes that carbon fork is definitely an issue, it’s the same with my titanium bike, I love the bike, the only part I don’t like is that carbon fork! The classic Peugeot are lovely bikes, I worked on a customers one once. It would definitely be something I’d be interested to own.

[@cosinus_square]

@@reginaldscot165 forgot to mention that both run 11 speed groupsets. Red22 on the PSV10 and a mix of Rival22 and Force on the PX10.

[@WhoEls]

I considered a Nemo Tig or XCR for a long time. Good thing the price and long delivery times scared me off. Did you consider fitting the bike with a steel fork?

[@reginaldscot165]

I did consider that, it certainly would improve the ride significantly. However I made some other upgrades that don’t require replacing the fork. Video to come. 🙂

[@janpedersen4381]

tweeking a road bike that is too harsh to ride for long hours can be done. I own a Cinelli Superstar (gosh! carbonfiber, I know), and I love it, and has done so from the first ride. But I went from a hard saddle to a SMP well gel saddle, and from 25, to 26 and now 28mm tyre on the back wheel and 26 up front. Both set up tubeless, 73psi, and I weigh in at 89kg. So from this armchair to you in faroff Brunei, I would reccommend go tweeking, and also considering stem and handlebar in (gosh!) flexing carbon.and maybe try another wheelset. Campy makes some nice ones to match the Nemo

[@reginaldscot165]

I’m actually planning to do an update and switch some parts with carbon to get a bit more flex. I don’t want to change the tyres because that would add weight and drag and rolling resistance. And the bike is slow enough as it is. 😄 I’m sure the SuperStar is way more comfortable than this. 😅 Happy riding and thanks for the comment! 🙏🏻

[@AngelGonzalez-pq3hy]

I am considering to make a custom building with Cinelli frame but after your conclusions I will go for another frame set (It could be Allez Sprint …) Any other steel frame that you recommed? Thanks for sharing

[@reginaldscot165]

Only old classic steel frames, I think modern ones all suffer for having carbon forks and oversized tubes. Some of the cinelli touring bikes still have traditional frames and forks but it sounds like you want a performance bike? (Allez sprint is not a comfortable frame at all. It’s also quite overpriced new.) There might be better options in aluminium. (If you can afford it buy Litespeed titanium. It’s the best. IMO 😉) Thank you for your view and comment. 👍🏻

[@rullydarmawan5086]

I once owned a Cinelli Nemo Tig and I think it's one of the best frames I've ever used. It's fast and climb very well. The only problem is that it's heavier than carbon or alloy frames despite using the Dura Ace R9100 and Roval CLX32 wheelset. Overall I am very satisfied with this frame.

[@reginaldscot165]

Thank you for your experience. Why does it climb well? Does it climb as well as a lighter bike? What defines a “well climbing bike?” Genuine questions. 🙂

[@rullydarmawan5086]

@@reginaldscot165 I don't feel a very noticeable difference between the carbon frames and the Cinelli Nemo Tig. I can do long climbs easily even with a weight difference of almost 1kg. But each cyclist will have a different opinion on a bike depending on the set up or parts used. I really appreciate your opinion and detailed reviews on this channel.

[@treygray2817]

Steel is great, but I have to admit when I upgraded to titanium it became hard to ride my 853 steel bike...

[@reginaldscot165]

Ha ha I know that feeling. 😆👍🏻

[@treygray2817]

@@reginaldscot165 kzbin.info/www/bejne/eZSaap-saa9piM0 Take a look... It's very comfortable just doesn't perform as well as ti and the paint chips if you look at it wrong lol. My recommendation is to purchase 90s steel frames for cheap in order to avoid the "carbon frame made out of steel" issues with modern steel bikes.

[@cygnusxl5]

Thanks for the video review of this machine, very informative and useful to me.

[@reginaldscot165]

You are welcome! Safe riding!

[@anthonyharris483]

Without the name on it, I don't see anything special about it especially for the price. If you take a custom steel Battaglin and compare the two, in terms of design, the Battaglin is well ahead. I love steel bikes

[@reginaldscot165]

Yes I love steel bikes as well… just not this one. 😂 Thank you for the comment! 🙏🏻

[@amilan22]

that why exactly i have this bike, for social and cafe rides with style :)

[@reginaldscot165]

For that, good choice. 🙂👍🏻 She is very pretty for sure.

[@4lumi]

Very nice review, I’ve watched your video because I’ve just bought a second hand Nemo TIG gravel bike, I wonder how it will feel. Anyway I’ve also a classical steel bike, a Gios Super Record, with narrow steel tubes, steel fork and a threaded headset. Well … I’ve done just 2 rides but my impression about confort for now is not good, if I compare it to my carbon Colnago V3rs (a rae bike!!!). I’ve to do more rides with my Gios, but my guess is that carbon allows confort+stiffness (playng with layers), while with steel you have to chose if you want confort or stiffness, you can’t have both.

[@reginaldscot165]

Totally agree with that assertion 🙂👍🏻

[@mircozelle]

you must not forget that the frame is only one part in the road-surface-to-rider chain. tires, tire pressure, wheels, seatpost, saddle and bar tape can make a big difference. i get the impression that especially the wheels are often ignored. maybe because the wheels are a complex system themselves.

[@JordyJayHomer]

It's surprises me how heavy many modern steel frames are. My lugged, 58cm 1988 Raleigh Race, made with 531c, is about 1880g, totally bare (no fork, obviously).

[@reginaldscot165]

There are lighter frames, but they tend to be more expensive. The tubes are bigger nowadays so the stiffness has increased.

[@JordyJayHomer]

@@reginaldscot165 Yes. I've got a Holdsworth Competition made with Columbus Spirt. It has a pretty large down-tube, and a tapered head-tube (large bottom headset bearing). It's the stiffest steel frame I've ever ridden. My size "large" bare frame is 1840g. It's fine, but I think I can feel the weight, and it doesn't quite have the springiness of my older steel frames. I definitely wouldn't race on it, at least not in a criterium. It was made in Asia for Planet X. I bought it because it was so cheap: the frame and fork were on special for about $820 Aus, including postage from the UK. That's so cheap for Columbus Spirit it's ridiculous.

[@Velofil]

I only have two steel bicycles and I have to admit that I am constantly thinking about selling them. I can understand very well why you can't build up a love relationship with this bike.

[@reginaldscot165]

Interesting, what issues do you find with your steel bikes? I actually love my old steel bike, it’s got a steel fork and it’s super springy and comfortable to ride. It’s just this one that is just way too stiff and lifeless for me. 🤷🏻‍♂️ Thank you for watching and commenting Sir! Always great to hear from you. 🙂

[@Velofil]

​@@reginaldscot165 the main problem is really the weight. I live in Switzerland where there are almost no horizontal roads. Both frames are also far too stiff, maybe I'm used to much more comfort from my titanium frames.

[@reginaldscot165]

That makes perfect sense. I have a titanium frame bike video coming soon! 😍

[@godwindracing6056]

Re carbon fork: would replacing the fork with an aftermarket one make any difference

[@reginaldscot165]

Yes it would make a difference. But it might change the geometry and thus the Handling of the bike. (And I like that) Also most carbon forks are going to be quite stiff anyway and you won’t know what it’s like until you buy it. There are other options for improvement that are cheaper. 🙂 Thank you for your comment!

[@hannahuang6118]

The Italian heritage started with Columbus tubeset. Nemo may not be the most butted tubeset, given there are tubesets like FOCO (Italian FIRE), UltraFOCO and Spirit, after NEMO. But in my opinion, NEMO is a good balance of weight, manufacturing cost and durability. The fork looks like a Tusk fork also from Columbus. Looks like a lug at Seat tube to top tube/seat stays joint, so may not be a 100% TIG frame. A 54 cm frame with Columbus Spirit tubeset (no fork) weighs 1450g. That is about the top end steel frame can go.

[@reginaldscot165]

What an interesting comment, thank you for the information. My frame (55cm top tube) was 2kg without the fork, I think the fork was an extra 3-400g. I’m sure that if I buy steel again I’m definitely going for a classic steel frame with a steel fork.

[@hannahuang6118]

@@reginaldscot165 Thanks. Columbus used to make some high end forks like Carve and Muscle, they both all carbon with Carve being a little beefy and heavy and Muscle skinny and light. They are about 350-450g after trimming the steer tube. I see your frame may require a tapered steer tube, not sure about current Columbus offerings will fit, but Time Sport has 1 1/8 to 1 1/4” tapered fork. All steel fork can be very heavy for your racing application. Cheers

[@Imthekingofdogshite]

@@reginaldscot165 I bought a Scapin Pro Racer frame - Nemo Columbus Tig welded from back in the 90s. 53cm top tube. 1568g frame. Carbon Scapin Fork for it 315g. Can’t believe your frame alone is 2kg.

[@ResmeN]

What are the pink bikes at 21:13 & the orange one at 23:52?

[@reginaldscot165]

Specialized Allez sprints and the orange I don’t remember.

[@JozepLazovic]

Would love to see it compared to Fairlight Strael :)

[@reginaldscot165]

Fairlight is probably better. 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@matthiasbunten5927]

Cool review! My Nemo is still on the way….I ordered cherry blossom….so deep red. I share your opinion concerning the paint. That should not be the case. Perhaps it is due to the brightness of the color. So the layers of paint a thicker to reach that full yellow shiny finish. With white as color you have the issues on carbon frames….at some point when the paint is finally hardened, the paint layer intends to get cracks. Concerning the stiffness of the frame I do not share your view. The nemo was never promoted as a springy typical steel bike. It sold as steel race bike. So comfort, in comparison to an old fashioned lugged frame, should not be the reason to buy it. You buy it because it is different to all this open mould carbon frames…..because it is handmade and something special. For sure you get better frames made from carbon for same or less money

[@matthiasbunten5927]

Just need to add….the thickness of the paint of course influences the time it needs to finally harden. Thats perhaps the origin of the issues. Same you see on new cars

[@reginaldscot165]

I hope you like it when it comes, they certainly are nice to look at and the colour sounds lovely! Let me reply each point 1 by 1. 🙂 1. paint cracks on carbon bikes = underlying issues with the frame. Paint should be more flexible than the frame. 2. Yes the Nemo was marketed as a “modern steel bike” and “a steel race bike” but even steel race bikes had that feeling of… well… being made of steel? If it feels like a rock then it’s lost some of the charm of being a steel bike. It’s a bit pointless. Might as well buy aluminium or carbon? And I don’t even like carbon. 😅 3. Different does not = good by default. A Ferrari that isn’t fast would be different. It would still be a beautiful Italian hand made work of art… but it’s wouldn’t be worth buying because the point of a Ferrari is to be fast. You can get “different or hand made” for the same or less money and it will be a better bike to ride. I have nothing against Italian hand made metal bikes… in fact my favourite bikes are metal and hand made. But for me the Nemo was a disappointment because it’s didn’t do anything most steel bikes do well. And it lacks and other Redeeming features other than it’s different and pretty? Kind of like marriage to a very beautiful woman who has a terrible personality. 😬 Anyway, I hope you absolutely love it and it fits your style of riding perfectly… I also hope no paint issues at all. 🙏🏻 Thank you so much for the comment!

[@matthiasbunten5927]

I totally get your point!!! When I get mine and have the first hundreds of kilometers on it, I will leave my impression here. So I am coming from a 1200 grams (without fork) dead carbon frame which is stiff as hell . hope that Nemo behaves a bit more springy without being too much on the comfort side. I like stiff frames….so lets see.

[@AMehta-ok5pf]

Saying a bike is better used as wall art, as opposed, to you know, a bike, is a rather harsh statement! I do think there are lots of builders out there making steel bikes that don't ride like steel bikes. Often it is done to make the bike "look" better rather than ride better. Speedvagen to me is one of those brands. I will say that Cinelli's superstar, for a cost effective carbon bike, is a fantastic ride!

[@reginaldscot165]

I just suggested that is 1 thing that someone with money might do with the frame? I have seen stranger things done in the name of art after all. 😂

[@lpi40]

Sad you did not like it, I have gotten mine so have to build it when I am home. The carbon bikes I have still weight of 8+Kg.

[@reginaldscot165]

Agreed, I was genuinely disappointed. But perhaps I’m spoiled or lucky that all my previous metal bike were so well suited to my needs? Nemo isn’t a bad bike, it just doesn’t fit me personally. I hope you love it. 🙂 As for the weight, all my bikes bar my other steel bike are lighter than the Nemo… but the weight wasn’t really the main issue. It was the ride quality.

[@ostapk8624]

I really feel your sadness of wanting, but not being able to love the bike! If you ever want to give another italien made steel road bike a chance, maybe have a look at the Mason Resolution. It is Columbus steel, too, and you can get a disc build to ~ 9 kg. My alloy version of that bike (the Definition) is just above 8 kg and I could not be happier with it. It is not the raciest geometry, probably slightly more relaxed than the Nemo, but if that is OK, it could be the nicer option. I did fall in love with mine.

[@reginaldscot165]

Sounds like a lovely bike. 🙂 Im glad you love it. If (and it’s a big IF) I do buy a steel bike again (I have 2 already) it will be a classic steel bike. Something old and traditional and probably Italian. Apart from that I have enough bikes for now. I can’t wait to rebuild my titanium bike! Thank you for your comment and thank you for watching! 🙏🏻

[@Roybatty443]

great in depth review and well done opening a bike store in Brunei. I was strongly considering purchasing the Nemo tig gravel version of this with campag ekar. after your review tho I am really having second thoughts. for the money I would be paying the last thing I want is an uncomfortable ride. I already have a Carbon bike for that! Do you think the 35 / 40c tries would help enough or are those tubes just too over sized? am also looking at a mason resolution and fairlight strael / secan as alternatives. both are quite a bit cheaper than the nemo tig gravel but aesthetically haven't quite grabbed me in quite the same way as the gorgeous cinelli. Would it be a silly move based on your experience?

[@reginaldscot165]

What an interesting comment. 🤔🙂 Ok so here is what I thinks. (Disclaimer: Personal opinion. 😉) Yes the Nemo is good looking, but the Mason isn’t bad looking? I can’t really talk about those bikes having never even touched one but what I can say is this… I’m done with “Modern steel bikes.” Honestly I don’t see the point. Steel bikes are supposed to be beautiful, fun, comfortable and cheaper than carbon. That only Describes classic or old steel bikes. New steel is heavier (because you seem to be looking at disc bikes? Although some options you name are “gravel” bikes and others are “road/4 season” bikes?) way more expensive, less good looking than the classic bikes, less reliable, (carbon forks!) and harder to fix because they use all new hangers and headsets and junk like that… old bikes (70s/80s/90s) you can still get plenty of new and used parts to fix them because all the bikes of that time had the similar stuff. The Nemo has problems with the paint for a start, I had someone here comment their friend had the Nemo Gravel and all the paint came off the back of the bike and Cinelli want to charge him to paint it? So I’d pass on that. Looking at the sort of price you are looking at (especially if you pay over the hill for Campy!) you might as well get a titanium bike! Here is where my personal opinion really comes into play. Titanium is lighter than steel, still smooth and comfortable and fun, more robust because it doesn’t rust, Low maintenance and I personally think they look cool. So that’s what I’d buy. I can strongly recommend Litespeed, 3 of the 5 best bikes I’ve ever owned or ridden (and I’ve ridden a lot of customers bikes) are from Litespeed. The T5 sounds perfect for you or the “all road bike” Cherohala? (Its a Native American word that I probably just spelled wrong) as it has discs. And they are on sale for the next 3 days! So yeah, I’d pass on modern steel and get myself a shiny Ti bike. 😁👍🏻

[@Roybatty443]

@@reginaldscot165 cheers man. That’s really something to consider. Titanium has not even been on my radar but it is now. So I’m gonna look at the options and your litespeed recommendations. Yes I agree the mason is a good looking beast too it’s just when I saw the cinelli I was a bit smitten as I’m sure you were with yours. Thanks again and all the best. Great channel btw

[@reginaldscot165]

@@Roybatty443 Yes she did seduce me, but like some beautiful Italian things she was all look’s and poor personality. 😅 Yes check them out I’m a big fan of their bikes and craftsmanship. Thank you, I’m glad you like the content!

[@johnnyboy1586]

Looking through lens of the camera from my end it looks like any other road bike ive seen,it doesn't even have nice lug work

[@reginaldscot165]

That’s true, because it’s tig welded. 🙂

[@ciarlond]

THE bike. Then... I understand your complains. Heavy, expensive (because it is really made in Milano), stiff. But... still the best looking bike ever.

[@reginaldscot165]

It’s a looker for sure, but best? I’m not sure about that. 😘

[@fennec13]

Looks like an overprice steel frame with really crap paint ! its about as REAL as it gets. I agree that some aluminum and carbon fiber feels too incorporeal. BUT I'll stick with my Titanium bike thanks, it don't rust, its forever and doesn't need paint. That's my REAL.

[@reginaldscot165]

Agreed! Nothing I have ridden comes close to my titanium bike. It’s still the material I recommend above all others! 🙂👍🏻

[@stevenfenech2320]

I have only one carbon bike, because all the others that I bought later have proved to be harsher or slower .It is a 2012 Felt F1,sublime ride with responsive handling!

[@quantumdecoherence1289]

Love, love this bike. But I think you just saved me $6k USD. I wanted this so bad but now having second thoughts about steel and thinking of getting the T1SL, much lighter and around the same quid. What's your advice?

[@reginaldscot165]

I’m in the process of making a video explaining why the T1SL is the worlds best bike… does that answer your question? 🤭👍🏻

[@barriem5318]

That Cinelli frame is beautiful. I wouldn't kick her out of bed for eating crisps

[@reginaldscot165]

She is that.

[@DilbertMuc]

I don't get it. Don't they say everywhere (...GCN) that more rigid, more stiff is always better and they are looking for that? If the bike weighs 8.5kg then why is it bad for racing? Good aluminium bikes weigh the same and good carbon bikes with disc brakes are also at 8-8.4kg. No difference. Why is the carbon fork bad? They are used everywhere to take out road chatter and dampen the ride.

[@reginaldscot165]

Are you being sarcastic for comic effect or asking genuine questions? I’m sorry I can’t tell. 😅

[@stephenang499]

Hmm the geometry is good because it's similar to a Taiwan designed bike, then why bother with Italian made?

[@reginaldscot165]

Not exactly, I’m saying it’s similar to a TCR so people can understand the geometry in terms of a more well known bike. But it’s still very traditional Italian geometry. Any bike can be any geometry it doesn’t matter where it’s made, however there are many reasons to buy Italian, the main one being most bike frames made in the west aren’t any more expensive than the top end stuff made in China.

[@YtseHWSW]

I was after a Nemo Tig until seeing this video and now I have doubts. Any alternatives you might recommend? (I already own 2 pretty nice carbon bikes and I'm looking for a metal bike, eg. steel or Ti)

[@reginaldscot165]

Always Titanium. Litespeed. Rim brake. 👍🏻

[@HamadouOsmanDiallo]

Cv

[@reginaldscot165]

Curriculum vitae?

[@barriem5318]

Put some tubs on it

[@reginaldscot165]

🛀 I don’t even have this kind of tub. 😅

[@mircozelle]

it is not a beautiful bike, its a beautiful frameset. saddle and bartape are just wrong.

[@reginaldscot165]

Noted, yes the saddle is a transfer from another bike and has been replaced, however the tape i kept because I like it. If you look it up on Google Purple and yellow are suggested as good combinations. I happen to agree. 🙂

[@stevegandalf4739]

19:30 to 19:50 ..... oh dear, ..... oh well .....

[@reginaldscot165]

Yup, I’m sorry.