Psychology of a Hero: THOR

How do you deal with loss, grief, and feelings of failure?
Licensed therapist Jonathan Decker and filmmaker Alan Seawright talk about Thor's journey, especially through Infinity War and Avenger's Endgame, when Thor has faced a lot of loss, feels he has failed at what he was supposed to do, and sometimes isn't handling things particularly well.
But he learns to accept being who he is, and that he is still worthy. They also talk about how he gets to that point of acceptance, what helps him get through his trauma and loss, that Chris Hemsworth might be the best actor in the MCU, and how Alan is just very weird.
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Written by: Megan Seawright, Jonathan Decker, and Alan Seawright
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[@CinemaTherapyShow]

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[@mcsapp]

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[@GabiBrooks]

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[@somefangirl]

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[@SniperZaku]

Awesome video! Will you be doing a an episode for SUPERMAN??

[@sfisabbt]

Oh no, you missed a super important bit of that arc : Thor's reaction when Cap carries the Hammer. He goes like "I knew it" with a smile. All the insecurity/competition is gone. For me, this is a line designed to acknowledge that he has evolved. I love that moment.

[@CinemaTherapyShow]

It's so wholesome!

[@SirsasthNigam.]

That's Cap and Thor not Thor

[@SirsasthNigam.]

That's Cap and Thor not Thor

[@kevinbaird6705]

It's my favorite Thor moment. He's not jealous or worried, like at the party in Age of Ultron. He's just genuinely happy for and proud of his friend.

[@Hikayuhuy]

@@kevinbaird6705 In Thor, the enchantment was his hurdle to overcome. In Age of Ultron and Ragnarok, it’s his identity. “what are you, the god of hammer?” 😂. He was nervous when cap almost lifted the hammer, because in a split second, what made him special isn’t true anymore. In Endgame, it’s his re-assurance. People can lie, pity or just plain being nice to him. The hammer can’t lie. He might still be able to chart his own course had the hammer not come because his mother has just re-assured him, but mjornir lifted a lot of self-doubt from him. Without the hammer, he is still worthy. So when cap lifted the hammer, it doesn’t invalidate his identity anymore, but actually validate the people that surround him. Amazing arc.

[@Scrofar]

Mad claps for Chris Hemsworth for advocating to keep Thor's weight gain for the rest of the film. No one ever just magically sends away what they don't like about their body, you have to work your way back towards the goal you want, even if it takes you another journey to get there. And I think for even a god to be represented in such a human way is incredibly relatable to see.

[@Julia-lk8jn]

Agreed. I'm repeating myself, but I think it's worth it: back in 80ies/90ies movies, depression of a man who'd lost somebody somehow manifested itself in 100% manly ways (pig-sty apartment, junk food, not shaving, abrasive manners, drinking) but never messed up the hero's skills or looks and then could be shrugged off the moment the plot demanded it. I absolutely love that pretty much all of these harmful stereotypes are avoided, and on top of it Chris Hemsworth got a chance to show off his acting big time. Playing a smoking hot, cute, personable, chiseled-abs hero is one thing. Making a overweight guy with a sleeping-under-a-bridge style of beard and tendency to tear up heroic? Respect. Thor in that final movie is every bit as awesome as he ever was; the moment where lightning coruscates over him gives me all kinds of chills.

[@acedelta12]

400th like

[@madelinegarber7860]

Agreed! I liked that too.

[@andrewkessinger5966]

I think Chris Hemsworth is criminally underrated as an actor. And I agree that he is probably the best in the series.

[@penelop_e]

I agree that he is underrated for sure because he is an amazing actor. And it irks me that some people say "he's not underated, he's so popular" and it's true he's popular but mostly for his looks and that it just so happened he's in one of the biggest hollywood franchise. But his acting skills are often overlooked, like how CT said about the subtlety of his acting and the way he delivers emotions so genuinely. He can be funny, dramatic, cool and full of action and those are underrated. Sorry for the tangent but have a nice day ig lmao 😅

[@brendonbuffaloe8830]

Idk about best in the series. Robert Downey Jr was INCREDIBLE, but he was technically just playing himself. Overall, I’d say Tom Hiddleston is the best actor in the MCU, and now Jonathan Majors is giving him a run for his money.

[@theundeadwarden3906]

Not enough people have watched 12 strong or Extraction, Chris is amazing in those movies

[@JBoxy7]

His acting when talking to rocket in infinity war and when hulk and rocket come to get him is some of his best acting in the MCU.

[@madelinegarber7860]

Him and Tom Hidleston. Probably spelled that wrong.

[@MRbug_423]

That bit with Rocket and Thor has so much more context. Because Rocket knows exactly what Thor is feeling Because he's been down the same road

[@michaelkaduck1915]

I cannot tell you how happy I was to see Thor say "I'm still Worthy!" I'm an overweight, deeply depressive guy with extreme anxiety, always worried that my failures define me, and that if I fail at something, I am not worthy. After visiting a counsellor this week after talking about wanting to take my own life, she compared me to my fish, to remind me that just simply the fact you are living means you are worthy. I would love to see you guys cover Tom Holland's Spider-Man and his lack of self-worth and imposter syndrome!

[@adedow1333]

You are a wonderful human. Your therapist was right. Just you living is enough.

[@eileensnow6153]

I’m in your exact shoes, reading your comment I felt the need to tell this internet stranger that he’s worth it even though I have difficulty feeling that way about myself. We’ll get through this together!

[@Julia-lk8jn]

Don't know what your counselor would say to this, but: I think suicide looks like the sort-of logical thing when we think there's nothing we can do to improve anything, kind of like quitting work when we realize that right now, our efforts there do zero good to anybody //cough🐦cough//. And goodness knows, loosing a lot of weight is a _pest_ : slipping for 20 minutes is enough to destroy the work of days if there's a starbucks / Burger close by, and you can work at it for months and still get "eeee, a fat person, gross!"looks. (Yep, voice of experience.) Right up until you realize that you've got no idea about what's behind that door that _seems_ to lead to a nice, quiet, restful place. It's not that I believe there'll be demons with pitchforks. It's just that I know that once I know what's behind the door, there's no going back. Also, given some of the people that the world has at different times considered "worthy/unworthy" ... in case of doubt I can donate some money to ecosia/wikipedia/whatever and give some free homework help, with a bit of luck that should get out of the worst 80%.

[@CL-go2ji]

@@Julia-lk8jn You can be you. Nobody else can do that.

[@avengefullgirl95]

hemsworth delivery of 'im still worthy' is incredible. but one thing i love about that scene is his mother. with no doubts and absolute confidence she says 'it sometimes takes a second,' she believes in her children and loves them so much, I feel like her input made it all the more powerful!

[@ShadowyFox_86]

Her performance in those scenes is beautiful. Especially "the future hasn't been kind to you."

[@In_TheMoonlight]

Honestly! That scene is spectacular because in reaching out for the hammer, Thor is trying to see if he’s still worthy to wield the hammer, but Frigga has absolutely no doubt in her mind that he’s worthy. It’s beautiful :’)

[@curtisholsinger6023]

Also beautiful because it says being worthy is NOT just about confidence or belief in oneself. Thor is uncertain, worried, and essentially experiencing an existential crisis. Mjolnir coming back essentially tells him that he is Worthy because of his core self, and that is powerful.

[@donya4]

Yesssss!❤

[@dss7876]

Seeing his mother say "idiot, no. Failure, absolutely" and the tone she said that makes me feel there's stills chance to get up. And if I were to fail again then I can get up again. And thanks for you guys for making such precious content ♥️ It seems I love these episodes more than the movies🙊

[@stephaniejean7429]

When she says “absolutely” it’s so full of pride

[@DisasterAster]

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[@krank23]

I absolutely love that "I'm still worthy" scene. Made me cry like a… well, like a 40-year old man who's struggled his whole life with depression I guess. Gets me every time - I don't even need the context; just show me the tail end of his conversation with Frigga and him holding up his hand and I'm there. Such an absolutely powerful emotional moment and absolutely awesome performance. And I think the jokeyness of it all works better than if it was all dark and serious. I mean, life is absolutely bonkers, right? Everyone's ultimately a pretty silly bastard. We all get crumbs on our shirts and yell at video games or do something equally silly. People aren't cool or serious. So while I like the DC movies well enough, they're mostly just popcorn movies to me. They're a little bit too divorced from reality, paradoxically while trying really hard to be "realistic" and "grounded" and "gritty". The Marvel movies are btter at showing characters who are mostly just like the rest of us. A little smarter, more good looking etc, sure. But Thor is a silly sod and that makes me love him. And Chris Hemswoth is absolutely fantastic.

[@AkiliLiela]

Marvel is like Pixar, tricking us into therapy and facing our feelings. I fully agree with what you said, tho I will always choose Batman over any hero. But I appreciate the silliness. Keeps you from going too deep but still allows you to feel.

[@adedow1333]

So are you, sir! Absolutely fantastic! Just thought I'd put that out there in case no one has told you yet today!

[@kimbarbeaureads]

I love his talk with his mom. He just needed his mommy.

[@Nemamka]

My sentiments exactly. I LOVE a good cry-laugh. I could never really enjoy DC movies because they are just so... washed out. Everything is emotionless and always low. I need to experience at least a small range of emotions for god's sake

[@Chuck_EL]

@@kimbarbeaureads people who criticize that arent getting why he cried and whispered "im still worthy" had nothing to do with mjnoir , it was that he didnt feel worthy as a brother, son, friend, or partner and that gave him peace and healing

[@georgethomas4567]

Honestly I love that from the very beginning Thor and his character arc has been about failure. He fails to be a good son and future ruler. He fails to save his mother and at the time (Dark World) he believed his brother. He fails to save his home. He fails to save his people, his brother (For real that time), his best friend. He fails to stop Thanos at the end of Infinity War. Leading to him having massive amounts depression weighing on him for years. But every time he gets back up he stands tall fights harder and he becomes a better person in the process not just physically but emotionally as well. Thor might be the one of if not the best written characters in the MCU.

[@Darkloid21]

I don’t know. It’s not really valiant if you get up just to fail again.

[@georgethomas4567]

@@Darkloid21 Ever hear the phrase "If at first you don't succeed try again?" Thor's character arc embodies that. He's a character who loses so much in his life. Yet he always gets back up and becomes stronger. Not letting those losses keep him down. Even when it does (Endgame) he overcomes the guilt and pain and suffering learning to be better as a person. If that isn't inspiring I don't know what is.

[@Darkloid21]

@@georgethomas4567 It’s also A MOVIE in the superhero genre, of course he would eventually succeed. That’s doesn’t mean anything. It’s not inspiring once you see it’s a trope. If he ended up failing it would make them lose money because no one wants to see that. There’s if at first you don’t succeed, but there’s also insanity. If you keep failing every time you get up that’s not bravery that’s stupidity. Sometimes the best thing is give up.

[@funcoolfunfun]

@@Darkloid21 If Thor gave up, things would get even worse for everyone.

[@Stolanis]

@@Darkloid21 On the contrary, that's how you BECOME valiant. Anyone worth their salt has failed goodness knows how many times. The secret of success is, more often than not, persistence. The more times you fail, the more times you learn, the stronger you become - until eventually you succeed, just because you didn't give up when someone else might have. Even failing repeatedly is better than becoming so scared of failure that you never try at all.

[@kazza6078]

They didn't do the fat stuff perfectly in this but I'm so glad to hear that Chris Hemsworth fought to not immediately go back to traditionally perfect body. The two steps forward one step back thing is not lost on audiences I think.

[@Julia-lk8jn]

I just how different "heroic depression" used to look in movies: classic 80ies/90ies depressed cop (though it wouldn't even be called that, it would be "eh, he lost his wife/partner/child" ): possibly more manly than before, because now he drinks, eats garbage and doesn't tidy up his apartment. And none of that effects his looks in any way that couldn't be fixed with a shower and shave. And of course as soon as he's needed,he's back to hunt down the big bad, with fitness and aim unimpaired. I get the reason, but it's pretty toxic because it tells you that a Real Man (TM) can just shrug off a depression when duty calls, no lasting after-effects. => if you can't do that, there's something wrong with you.

[@AkiliLiela]

Everytime I watch "I'm still worthy" scene, I tear up. Having depression, I struggle with what I deserve and just seeing that, gives me a little hope. And a little sad cuz I don't have a magic object to let me know lol. Thor's whole story line is the one I can relate to the absolute most. I can't say anymore without getting too into my feelings, but thank you for this. And thank you Marvel for Thor!

[@dietotaku]

what i struggle with is believing that all people have intrinsic worth and value while constantly being told i'm not good enough by everyone else. it's really hard to continue to believe you have worth when the world keeps telling you otherwise.

[@bookmasterharry4432]

The other day someone very important to me said she sometimes feels like she doesn't have value. It was hard to hear. But I know she does. I told her so. Everyone has value. Sometimes you just can't see it.

[@AkiliLiela]

@@dietotaku I see exactly what you're saying. But I can say, you have value because you replied to a strangers post and offered connection and I appreciate it. I value you.

[@AkiliLiela]

@@bookmasterharry4432 keep it up. We all don't hear it enough. You have value. You have worth.

[@adedow1333]

@@dietotaku I hear you. If I might share my beliefs, you can take that for whatever it's worth to you. I believe that I am a child of God. If God then is a King - indeed the King of Kings - then that makes me a princess, a queen-in-training. If I am that, then everyone is a child of God and is therefore a prince or princess and also in training. I am worth an infinite and incalculable amount. And if I am, so are you. Being in training means that we make mistakes. Some of those mistakes might be making others to feel less than they are, and that's really unfortunate. You are enough. You are glorious. You are worth every effort. I believe this with all my heart. I hope you come to understand your worth and your value. Do shine on. You are beautiful.

[@ThePonderer]

People talk about Ragnarok revitalizing Thor’s character with humor, and in turn complain about Endgame and Love & Thunder making him “too much of a buffoon,” but every film since Ragnarok is astonishingly consistent with how Thor’s humor covers a deep, crushing well of sadness that he can only resolve slowly and incrementally.

[@ninjanibba4259]

Which is why Love and Thunder should've dealt with that by being a more serious film, Thor was trying to recreate himself and the movie did nothing but poke jokes at his expense throughout, it's terrible, Chris makes it work but narratively it's a mess on his character

[@roguebarbarian9133]

I don't blame Love and Thunder for trying to be funny; I blame it for failing to be funny. In comparison to the MCU's other goofball movies (GotG Vol 2, Antman and the Wasp, Ragnarök . . .) almost none of the jokes stuck. For all of its attempts at humor, I only laughed like twice throughout the film.

[@ThePonderer]

@@ninjanibba4259 …which jokes in Ragnarok are actually “at Thor’s expense”? I can think of maybe a handful, but I feel that movie’s pretty consistent with how Ragnarok and Endgame treat the character, and more importantly how the character treats himself.

[@ninjanibba4259]

@@ThePonderer uh no, him acting like an idiot not knowing what to do most of the time especially when children are in danger and a guy that kill gods, that’s not Thor In 3 he was out of place of his element but he was constantly moving and leading the team, he even got Loki to work with him, that excluded a high level of confidence in that film, Endgame had him depressed but he still got things done, especially after his talk with Frigga, and of course the ending fight, that suggests that he would be better enough to not only find himself once more but to know the value of losing life of any means, that means that he wouldn’t be bumbling around half the time worrying about a relationship that failed and should be hyper focused on the mission at hand, the Jane stuff could’ve been a secondary plot that was taken seriously too but even she had to make jokes when that’s not her character Taika took everything that worked with Thor and regressed him to a joke, no stakes, talking like an idiot and getting beat around when he took on Thanos even in his fat state….he’s been ruined and someone else as a director is gonna have to fix him

[@ThePonderer]

@@ninjanibba4259 I disagree

[@XionDarkblood13]

So the "I'm still worthy" moment broke me in theaters. Also, idk if it was intentional but I honestly like jokes and jabs at Thor by his friends. Sometimes the most infuriating thing is people walking on eggshells around you. Usually there is a reason but there is something humanizing about being part of the jokes and jabs. I liked Rhodey and a lot of people disagree with me but I see it as one soldier seeing another soldier and knowing. They are kind of similar in the fact they have been military men their whole lives. They both know the traumas of war. I see his constant jabs as both accepting but also trying to poke the bear. Sometimes thats what you need and sometimes it isn't. I also like Rocket because Thor is his bro. I had a friend like that who understood the way to handle me. He knew when and how to push me and when I just needed to be alone vs me being a party pooper. He never tried to "help" in a emotional talk way because he knew that he couldnt do it. Rocket doesn't know how to to the talky feely stuff but he knows how to be a bro.

[@seesararun]

This is amazing! "You're going to fail at who you're going to supposed to be. Success is being who you are." - Dr. Decker. I needed that!

[@dannyfootball3608]

I’m glad you mentioned the Warriors 3. They were Thor’s closest friends and battle companions for Centuries and yet they were killed off and forgotten immediately. I would have thought that Thor would be more distraught about their deaths than any of the Avengers. That was one of the things Taika Watiti did that bothered me most. It was like he did it on purpose so that he could make Korg, played by himself, as his new best friend and give himself a spot in endgame.

[@kasai7953]

I hit my "what more can I lose" two times in my life. And lived in that mindset for 8 years. I almost just hit it a 3rd time just 2 weeks ago. But I finally learned the lesson I needed to and picked myself up before I fell back into that hell again. Glad I did too. I don't think I would've survived a 3rd time.

[@smashley5687]

Been really stressed with this summer semester, finances, moving, and I also eat my stress and my feelings. As a result I haven’t been sleeping well, been feeling sick, been feeling like a failure since my grades are slipping. I keep changing my major since I don’t know what I want to do, and I’ve been doing that on and off for the last ten years. I feel like I’m letting my parents down because they’ve helped so much with tuition. But I need to remind myself that I’m graduating for me, not them. And they helped me out of love, not my internalized expectations. If I fail a couple classes it just means I’m human and I can try again. And I’d rather be a student forever than get stuck in a job I’m unhappy with. Fighting the depression is hard when everything is slipping, but your videos really help:)

[@scottsacala]

I agree with you guys where the “I’m still worthy” part was undercut. Not only because of the Rocket line, but they transitioned into one of the more memorable Quill scenes (who is known as a goofy character), playing the memorable upbeat song. It’s a shame, because that scene with his mom was one of my favorite of the movie. You could even see that Rene Russo put a lot of emotion into that “goodbye.” But it was drowned out by the music.

[@LancerJak]

To me when Thor was shocked Mjolnir came to him and he looked with shock and said I’m still worthy was one of the saddest moments in the MCU. He thought his presumed failure would make him unworthy, breaks my heart every time I see that scene.

[@sebastianaranda9214]

I remember when i was at the theatre watching End Game, the scene in wich he summons the hammer, it burst me into tears when he says im still worthy

[@skullyairsoft80]

I get chills every time I watch the scene with Thor and Frigga. Absolute masterpiece despite being undercut with some comedy.

[@fingermoonthongni209]

All I want to say is thank you , I had this vision and expectations of myself that when I failed at something that I thought I was supposed to be good at , my whole world felt like it shattered but I realised that I'm not just one defination or role , I realised that I am just me and thank you for helping me realise that

[@HilariousHooper44]

This episode made me cry. Hit me really hard. I'm enough because I'm alive. I'm worthy. I needed to hear that. I've lived my entire life trying to live up to everyone expectations including mine and just failing over and over and over. I've been so down lately. I cry everyday. It's good to hear that that's ok. and that im still worthy of a good life even though I'm not who I am "supposed to be...yet

[@coconutcore]

4:25 I had a breakup after 4 years this summer. It sucked, but I immediately jumped into using it to grow. Never grown so fast in my freakin’ life, and it feels exhilarating. I’m very certain that wasn’t my deepest moment yet, but whenever or whatever is, I’m looking forward to coming out on the other side as an even stronger person. Good luck everyone else too, btw. I’m sure you’re going to do great.

[@grassina3]

The discussion of Frigga's words to Thor remind me of another very wise and caring character, Uncle Iroh. There's a moment when he confronts Zuko, that I think has a similar message: "It is time for you to look inward, and ask yourself the big questions. Who are you? And what do YOU want?" I've really loved seeing Thor's growth and development, and I'm super happy to see you both discussing that today. I will say though, while I love what Taika has done with Thor, I do think he relies on fat jokes sometimes, and that's not okay. It was in Love and Thunder as well, and it was a bit disappointing.

[@kadieleesilva773]

Thor is my favorite avenger and his journey in the later movies really resonates with things I’ve gone through in my life. I got Mjolnir that says I’m still worth tattooed on me about a year ago. 17:58

[@rockmutti]

That is by far the best episode you ever made! Thank you so much for this! I will watch this when I'm in one of my depressive episodes and I really think it will help me get out of it quicker. And thank you Alan for saying Chris Hemsworth gives the best acting performance in the whole MCU! I totally agree and really think he is underrated!

[@maryam8789]

thor and tony had the best character arcs in the mcu and nobody can change my mind edit: now that ive watched the new thor movie, i might take it back...

[@Koebalt]

Steve had the same character arc just in the reverse of Tony.

[@ninjanibba4259]

Nebula and Rocket too

[@tbttube9920]

Absolutely, especially about Tony. I went from actually disliking him at the beginning of the MCU to sobbing at his death in Endgame. Greatest example of character growth and development in Cinema history, in my opinion.

[@cars-berry7554]

I wish I could talk with you guys. You are loads of fun and you really get me thinking about myself. I lost my mother a month ago, it's been awful. I'm also in a point in my military career where I could continue and step up or I could get out and take a new path. Yall talking about who you are and who you are suppose to be really hit me. Thank you for all you do. I hope I can accept what life is giving me

[@brianmontgomery580]

With the context of guardians 3, that scene of quill and thor bickering over whose in charge with rocket in the middle of them feels like foreshadowing

[@FullMoonHowl]

This, both Thor's story of disillusionment and grief (reminds me very much of the lyrics to Colin Hay's "Any Minute Now"), and this review mean so much to me and where I've been and am. Thank you. And also I didn't know didn't know Hemsworth fought to keep the fat suit. Way to let the truth about process be more important than ego. Super impressed.

[@pinkyboy8576]

When they didn't let Thor to snap the gauntlet is really touching for me. I feel like his friends truly wanted Thor to find his life and not to hurt himself just because he wanted to feel worthy again and pay back his own mistake when he let Thanos snapped the gauntlet. They truly made the right call to let Thor feel some atonement in different way.

[@DouglasHollingsworth1]

Loved this episode, moreso than usual. You're the internet dads we all need these days.

[@CinemaTherapyShow]

Thank you ❤️

[@laurapollacco]

This is one of the major things I struggle with. My main battle is an internal one of tying my worth to my behavior and what I can achieve. I literally joined betterhelp after you guys promoted it to work on this exact thing and to have you so succinctly bring it up made me cry. I have told my therapist about you and will send her this video. Thank you so much for the work you do x

[@ericthompson3982]

In the last year, I lost my best friend to suicide, got covid, and and my house burned down taking my cat with it. I'm trying very hard to learn what I can from all of it and get stronger and better. I've had victories, too, but the defeats have been devastating. I basically cry multiple times every day. I have good friends around me, and I have a very good therapist, so I'm hopeful that I become a stronger person and parent than I was before, but there is a lot of darkness that's just really terrifying and crushing to me. I'll make it, I know I will, but my own inner strength really doesn't feel like enough a lot of the time. Hanging on for my son, mostly. And I know I'm going to fail and be defeated more, but I'm trying. One foot in front of the other, right?

[@jacksonkerr2095]

9:40 - notice, in this moment, there's a power struggle between the two of them. Subtle, but very tense. Good filmmaking with an interesting bit of conflict.

[@castielasmr5514]

Thor in Endgame was so painful to watch for me. I didn't cry when Natasha died, I didn't cry when Tony died, but the "I'm still worthy" line makes me sob like a child every time. It means so much to me, holds the same special meaning as "despite everything, you're still you" in Undertale. Despite my past, despite the trauma and the anxiety and the mental illness, I'm still worthy. And that's what makes it so dear to me. Seeing my favorite Marvel hero deal with the same mental illness as me was healing in a way. I love Thor and I love this movie

[@carolh2561]

Love this as a person who has been to more funeral s than birthdays and as ex navy medic with PTSD and complex grief I love this channel

[@carolh2561]

Also One bad toxic ex trying to co parent and have been slowly dying with a young son about to be 12 and as a mom how do I address the fact that I am going to die as a mom John how do I start that conversation I watched my mom die but I am a woman who has been sick along time but he's My only son and love

[@evenfrank5223]

i think a better narrative then "you are already enough" is "you can be better, but only you can make that change" a lot of people aren't happy with their life's and telling them they are enough addresses the symptoms and not the root of the problem we should empower each other to seek improvement and where possible help them to achieve their goals. if you feel like your not enough, then what is it that's bothering you? by your own judgement, what is wrong with you? if its something you can't control then learn acceptance. if its something you can change and it will improve your life, set reasonable baby steps to reach the overall goals and don't be afraid to ask for help.

[@adamnixon84]

I felt a big emotional hit from "I'm still worthy" for months after Endgame came out. Sometimes I needed a reminder. I just wanted a gif of it to look at from time to time.

[@StevenSmith-oi8ew]

"I am not becoming the man I want to be. I already am the man I want to be, and everyday I am growing into a better version of that man." You already are that person, you always have been. You are already enough, you are capable of growing and becoming the person that you want to be.

[@joy1696]

Well! You guys finally brought me to almost crying with this video. I have been in a rough patch lately, and I have loved your guy's videos since my mum discovered your channel this summer. I love your analysis. Kudos to Thor/Chris Hemsworth as an actor-especially-for the reason he got so much crap for his performance in this movie. So many people thought it was unrealistic or lazy acting, and honestly, it burns me up. Heroes aren't perfect. People aren't perfect. I love Chris Hemsworth's portrayal of a hero who has-as, he said-endured: rage, anger, loss, grief, and revenge. It is not "oh poof, everything is fixed and better now." No. *It takes time and effort* to heal from trauma. It takes falling down and getting back up again. It takes acknowledging and accepting past mistakes and learning to switch your mindset from living in survival mode to living to thrive. Anyway, I've been struggling a lot. I found hearing this extremely reassuring. Especially the part Jono said, "worthiness is not based on behavior (or accomplishments) it's based on existence." I *really* needed to hear this. Thank you, guys. 💜🫶🙌🏻

[@EarthquakeStar]

I'll say it: gosh I needed this channel. This one hits home.

[@רוןגורליק-ה5ע]

I actually wanted you to include the Eric and Thor Pub scene in the first Thor movie. I watched this movie a couple of days ago and Eric said there sometimes it’s good to fail or make mistakes, you start to ask the right questions, that shows that you’re learning. It’s too powerful to not being spoken of… it’s heavy, And it is fitting with the Thor ark over the MCU you keep doing mistakes that makes you ask the right things

[@rafaelalodio5116]

I feel like a failure everyday, I am not sure if "success is being who you are" is true, but that's surely a nice message, this video really reasonated with me.

[@sidneyrosey]

"We tie worthiness to behavior instead of worthiness to existence." Y'all just broke down the art of becoming and the human condition with one sentence and one punch man ✨️👊🏽💯

[@atoptheworld0]

I love that the OG Avengers represent stages of grief in Endgame. Widow is Denial. Hawkeye is Anger. Hulk is Bargaining. Thor is Depression. Cap is Acceptance. Tony is Finding Meaning. This is my interpretation. I don’t know if this was ever confirmed by writers, but I’m sure it was intentional

[@nelbelmont]

As a son of a mom that died of cancer... The frigga scene punched me in the liver. I lost mom months before graduation from university. I could not give her the diploma she worked so hard to get with me, she did not see my first job, my first paycheck, my first car and my first girlfriend. She did not meet my wife or got to see my house. I could not take her to my travels

[@bowtiesrcoolmonksrnot3272]

I think I’ve been waiting for something like this since the big hero 6 video, when Jono posed the question ‘who do you want to be?’ Because I struggle hard with just wanting to be good enough, just wanting to be who I should be, the person the world deserves.

[@philosophicallyBurnt]

this was amazingly needed. Thank you

[@matthewsong2839]

I just discovered this channel after my girlfriend broke up with me. It’s been really tough so far but this channel has helped me both distract myself for a little bit and offer good insight and advice. Thank you

[@CinemaTherapyShow]

Glad it has helped. Thank you for watching!

[@RabanoDoom]

On a side note, it's incredible to see how Rocket grew so much through Guardians 1 and 2 he could be the one to sit down with thor and have the "Hey, are you sure you're okay?" conversation. No interjection, no rude quip, just going to Thor where his feelings and grief are and helping him process some of it. The fact Rocket grew from where he was in Guardians 1 to probably one of the most emotionally intelligent characters in any of these movies, and they're using that now to help the growth of the other major characters, is incredible.

[@that1guy73075]

Didn't think watching a video about Fat Thor would cause me to have a breakthrough in my mental health, but here I am. I guess its time to finally get some therapy and get back on a better path.

[@cookedghost]

"Cinema Thorapy" Awesome subtitles right from the start on this one, I love it

[@alecsmall]

Chills. Every episodes. Just . . chills. Thank you @CinemaTherapy for all the amazing content.

[@oliviavaughn6160]

I really really would love an "About Time" or "Way Way Back" breakdown!!!!

[@PrecisionAarstrike]

These guys actually do some real therapy in these videos.

[@erikakinney7677]

Love this channel! Do you think you guys could talk about the movie Belle and escapism (especially in the case of online personas)? I’d be really interested to hear your take on it!

[@chibianime15]

That's a good one! Especially with how much people's online presences have grown in the past few years.

[@bleachfan1015]

This ^

[@Stardust_7273]

I'm definitely not a gym rat, but I did lose 200 pounds over 3 years, and I struggle to keep my weight under control. I gained 50 pounds back and lost 40 of it, but I should really be 30 pounds or so lighter than I am now. So yeah, it's a huge struggle and I'm so glad they didn't just make Thor magically buff again.

[@harshiharshii2253]

I adore these guys friendship a lot!!!

[@codyweaver7546]

Could you guys do a full series on how Endgame is a case study on how people handle trauma and coping?

[@myplateisempty.4292]

I loved that Thor gained weight and became a shut in after all he's been through. It was something that I could personally relate to. These superhero movies always show people rising up after all the shit they've been through, and even though it's pretty motivating and inspiring to see and apply in my own life. When I saw the different arcs of thor, from being my least favourite avenger to becoming one of my favourites.... I absolutely loved how his self loathing and self blame changed his entire being. For someone so powerful to lose so much that you lose faith in yourself. And then to see that same person finally realize that he was worthy, even when he felt like he failed. Honestly the scene that I felt most proud for Thor is not when he started fighting in the final battle, it's when he finally gets mjolnir back, when he says that he's still worthy. That inspired me so much to actually try again. To change my self hate into loving myself. Easier said than done of course, but at least now I started trying again. That's enough for now.

[@Archfiend_Sushi7746]

Endgame did wonders for emotional fulfillment. Having been with these characters long enough and seen who they are and how they’ve grown, and now we see how they grieve. For some, they’re at their lowest, like Tony, Thor, and Hawkeye, Natasha and Steve maybe not so much. But still, the big three give us a raw look at men dealing with depression, guilt, and their failure in a healthy way, and give us a blueprint to do the same. I forgot, also Tony’s daddy issues! Another great thing to show resolved for those who struggle with those or maybe lost a Dad and never got a connection.

[@dejahdanger]

This channel and CinamaWins are my favorite movie appreciation channels.

[@rachelfallonauthor]

Loved this episode!😍Thor made me cry so many times during Infinity War and Endgame. Seeing him in his Viking war god battle armor with stormbreaker and his hammer while still not being perfect was absolute perfection! I would love to see you guys do Bucky Barnes. He’s my favorite character in MCU. The TRAUMA! Omg it’s insane. I feel like he’s so underrated. He’s been through so much cruelty and pain and never gave into Hydra, having to be brainwashed into submission and the first cracks in his programming and he broke free. He’s absolutely the best man in the MCU, and I think he’d be able to lift Thor’s hammer, no question. How someone can remain so good after so much torture speaks to a kind a of innate goodness I can’t even imagine. So that’s my pitch/plead for the next installment 😂

[@Overseer2579]

That was a really accurate way to sum up the MCU: "Some stuff happened", lol

[@Loganichols123]

Thank you guys for doing this episode so much. A lot of what I’ve been dealing with personally came out in the the episode. Keep up the great work guys

[@puddincakes1005]

I lost 20lbs with Noom! It was awesome and surprisingly easy. Then I gained it all back, because I needed therapy 😝. Thanks depression. I will probably do Noom again though, after I am no longer pregnant too. It was worth it. I think this time I will be able to keep a healthier lifestyle since therapy :).

[@LilithEveRain]

*My* *Doctor* *Deemed* *Me* *"* *Cured* *of* *type* *-* *2* *Diabetes due* *to* *weight* *loss* *"* Only a couple weeks ago!!! I've lost 47 pounds so far on Noom! Talk about coincidence and crazy timing! I approve of your sponsor!!!

[@annastaisahayes9682]

I love both dc and marvel I have never seen one better than the other because all the characters are just phenomenal.

[@stormy7745]

Another fantastic episode! Reduced me to a blubbering mess bc it really hit home, but I really needed to hear that. Thanks so much to you both and your team for all the wonderful work that you do!

[@CinemaTherapyShow]

You are so welcome!

[@lyndsycarson8302]

I’ve gotten to an age wear if actors aren’t amazing with those small things. I think it was taken as a joke but then saw the movie and really felt that it was necessary. No one in the pits of depression is doing core days.

[@williamalexander7481]

I've been binge watching your videos. Thank you so much for all the laughs and information.

[@ruthlys]

Liam H is no acting slouch either. I honestly did not recognize him as being gale from hunger games when i saw him in The Dressmaker”. He was such entirely different personality that i did not see the obvious until much later. Bravo

[@brandonyoung-kemkes1128]

This really combines my favourite things with something I really need I think. Medicine with a bit of sugar, if you will, or a little medicine and a lot of sugar.

[@newmoon766]

Consider "Seven Years in Tibet". WWII meets not-a-cop buddy movie, set in the Himalayan mountains, mostly. With Brad Pitt.

[@the_UF365]

Now, I just want to go over to Alan's channel to see you guys battling it out for the rank of Cinema Therapy CEO.

[@nate1066pollock]

I'm surprised you didn't discuss the moment Cap wields Mjolnir and Thor is happy. That's great growth, he was threatened by Cap moving Mjolnir in Age of Ultron, but now he is fine with it.

[@brendancolquitt3029]

You know, everyone talks so much crap about Thor's story "his arc is to be king then he wants to be something else" that's just more not wanting a story to reflect life. I spent 10 years wanting and trying to be a mechanic and when I finally got a great paying job and the skill to handle most situations, I now realize.... I love working on cars, but it's a hobby so doing it everyday sucks and I don't wanna wake up in the morning to deal with it. It's only now I realize my passion is writing. Now I gotta go on another journey to earn my place in a whole different area than I was meant to be in. I'm also not the only one going through this. That's why Thor's arc before and after endgame is actually very realistic and some people need to know that it's ok to realize your path isn't what you thought it was. Thank you Thor and marvel for showing us that you can find out your path goes further than you thought

[@matthewhoward-white463]

Love this! Great job guys.

[@jamesblount3143]

I love Thor and it kind of hurt to see his journey, but the resolution of his arc and your break down has been good for me.

[@CanaldoPortador]

I'm skinny as a twig, this sort of affects me. I'm not Thor, I'm not strong or hot like him. Thor remaining an unideal body DID SPOKE VOLUMES TO ME, him not blasting his muscles back in the Endgame Battle was such a relief, I heard the thunder coming and I was definetly scared he'd be ripped again. "Is this the only way he could fight? Is he measured by that? After all this, if he's still worthy, why should it magically disappear?" I thought tp myself And then the suit built around him and he still had an untreated hair, just tied up, he still had a longer beard, just braided (beautifully) and HE STILL HAD HIS WEIGHT. That hit me, it's not about the body. I felt this lesson here much more than in Captain America, the true worthyness before the looks of "the worthy man" And as someone who does hides sadness and anything negative with comedy and awkwardness like Thor did in Endgame... No moment was wasted, even the ones undercut I was reeling in, felt in the near-perfect tone and carried out some weight.

[@baodong9006]

Would be great to cover his journey in Love & Thunder once the movie is out on Disney+!

[@samanthagirly3350]

It would be so interesting to do a episode on why we have expectation or how we develop other peoples expectations as our own. How that relationship works

[@danieln.3388]

Alan, you look like Kiefer Sutherland from the three musketeer Disney movie :D

[@AkasukiShikiHollow]

I love that they Humanized Thor, it makes us connect to him a lot more because everyone has a different style of grief.

[@fjeldfross9327]

I have to admid, this whole Episode was a downright suckerpunch.

[@uosdwiSrdewoH]

I love the moment where he's not quite sure if Mjolnir will return to him. I kind of wish Frigga hadn't said anything about it taking a minute because it kills the tension about if it will come back. Then it does and he's so relieved that he is deemed still worthy. I think Downey Jr gets all the credit for his acting but Chris Hemsworth became the stealth MVP as the films went on. He was a total comic character in the first Thor but by Endgame he's doing some great, really subtle work that speaks more than his words ever could. I'm glad they gave him the room to just live in the moment sometimes. The camera would just sit on him as he expressed volumes through these small physical moments and facial expressions. It's almost too bad it had to go back to being almost completely comedic in the latest Thor because Hemsworth has proven he has some incredible dramatic chops. Marvel has come out with some of the best lines in the last few years. Like "We all fail at who we're supposed to be. The measure of a person, a hero, is how they succeed at being who they are." Great piece of writing. Then there's the all time classic that they apparently came up with during a rewrite while filming Wandavision when Vision says "What is grief if not love persevering?" So good.

[@soulwarrior]

Watching some of these videos tackling the "older" Marvel movies really makes you appreciate them more. I mean, the Wandavision video you guys did was great, but her entire character arc was just thrown overboard to have a good villain in Dr. Strange 2. Thor's character arc is also amazing, but his growth is being undercut in Love and Thunder with jokes absolutely everywhere. I hate to sound like the "everything used to be better" guy, but some of these more recent movie have definitely not been worthy.

[@WonderWomanB]

You put the noom commercial in the wrong place! Noom should have come after dad bod Thor

[@radiocounseling]

I don't feel like being worthy is tied to just existing. Being worthy IS doing the best you can, genuinely. With anything. Be your best, right then. No, it's not always good enough, but it will always be/have been what you *could* do.

[@beckijones9807]

Thanks movie dads. This meat sack trying to leave science and healthcare for the film industry needed to hear the message of this one today 💚✌🏻

[@mrmagnet9626]

I think nebula is the best character acting, you can tell the difference between past and present nebula through body language and facial acting. Under all that makeup? Perfect

[@JaimeNyx15]

Thanks for all the great content, y'all! Been going through your vids to keep myself sane while pushing myself through a Herculean Labor for work right now and they've been keeping me upbeat and productive. Much love to the whole CineTherapy family! EDIT: Never thought I'd relate to Thor, but by the end of this video y'all's analysis of his struggles filled me with just all kinds of Pathos and acceptance. Thanks for that little bit of parasocial therapy.

[@thomassmart4088]

the idea of 'debt' could be a theme to cover

[@taz2906]

This is the message I needed to hear today

[@AmericPet]

That was phenomenal you guys. 👏 So well done. So well done. Thank you. ❤

[@AdriOfTheDead]

I hope you guys end up doing Everything Everywhere All At Once so I can cry along with Alan

[@christine8718]

I like how it's a really existential hard hitting truth moment "There's a point where you go 'what more can I lose' if you haven't been there before, it's coming" My brain: Go to pause for an existential thought Next frame: NOOM!!!!! 🦄🌻