CineSplore - Tune and Flight Performance

[@Kabab]

FPVCycle 2203: bit.ly/3i7QPuA CineSplore: bit.ly/3dGJu1z Gemfan Duct props: bit.ly/385nvAk 30A 4S AIO Toothpick board: bit.ly/3i8POCq Strongly recommended battery for this: bit.ly/2V7cvx4 Longer Vista antenna - bit.ly/2ViXhFg Vista + Nano Nebula - bit.ly/2ViXhFg Vista kit + longer camera wire - bit.ly/2ViXhFg 200mm DJI camera wire - bit.ly/3eyBYXU More things coming soon to FPVCycle.com CineSplore frame video: www.youtube.com/watch?v=m318_... The original video I shot to show real world flight performance: www.youtube.com/watch?v=t83GI... Table of Contents: ►00:00 - Intro ►01:04 - Declaration of 100% raw video ►01:26 - RAW Flight video ►06:30 - A note about FPVCycle ▼Join my FB group for more discussion: Kabab FPV facebook.com/groups/37915... The store: www.FPVCycle.com ▼ My typical 5" quad setup: -CineGlide: bit.ly/2MCoz50 -Motor: bit.ly/2Nqqr25 -ESC: bit.ly/2oDdzvL -WaFL’s Cap Cap: bit.ly/2GUpXxO -Battery: bit.ly/2JnsTDM -FC: bit.ly/2XRc8G8 -FPV Cam: bit.ly/2Q7LfL7 -Vtx: bit.ly/38Y25oz -ND GoPro Mount 30deg: bit.ly/2WC15zc -ND Filter (if used): bit.ly/2WEmQ1j ▼Notable motors: Check out the Rcinpower Wasp and Bison...interesting motors coming. We're working on blending those two motors into one. The Wasp is more powerful but the Bison has an awesome 11mm bearing that's uber smooth. ▼Starter goggles: bit.ly/2qbJNOS ▼ If you want to solder better: -Fantastic solder: amzn.to/2P5QM2W -Fantastic iron: goo.gl/DqBipa ▼ Tips? Patreon: bit.ly/2oGLP9b -PayPal: www.paypal.me/kababfpv -Bitcoin: 1E4XZXoD4rS6MYWVWuenY7Kw2M1YgyNpoQ -Nano: xrb_1188ek5bd7tb9kw67asnp9o65byuoaxbtpxuznx1ribf75x78awywmakj55f -ETH: 0xD067F93811f2eC31CB1928901002dfdf9A492EF5 -LTC: La2KWYAjp4VT2Lq2M76pbjzXWvRyjpfCtG

[@Max_0578]

I am really happy to see that FPVCycle is going forward. Good work kabab, keep it up!

[@jackfpv8904]

100% agreed. I would be happy to support fpvcycle, but shipping cost to my place will be ridiculous.

[@meralharbes]

You talking to the camera at 07:45 really made me appreciate being a Patreon. Keep going with your passion, you're doing great

[@Kabab]

I'm trying to find more time to spend in front of the camera too. I'm merely a conduit funneling and reflecting the support of everyone out there and I could not be more thrilled about it. Hopefully in another 2-3 months I can start reducing my actual dental work schedule a little to work on all this more. So far I've barely scratched the surface of things. This industry is limitless and I dream of the day I can actually spend real time on it. Thank you for your support. It's immensely appreciated.

[@MCsCreations]

That's pretty impressive, Bob! 😮 It flies much better than any whoop I've ever seen! 😃 Stay safe there! 🖖😊

[@JohnFSmitheugene]

Nice video, Bob. Thank you. Supporting FPVCycle is a no brainer. You guys have the quality stuff at the right price and usually some innovative stuff that stretches the edge a bit. And, that's OK. Love you content, love your store. Thanks again for all that you do for the community.

[@KamilK3]

Amazing job Bob, i always like to listen to you, you seem very informed and smart person, and you for sure have a lot of intuition for these little flying things. I hope fpvcycle will be someday biggest online drone parts shop. Keep it up! PS. I went to dentist few weeks ago and extracted that 8th tooth you adviced me to remove one day. Feel so much better. It wasn't so bad like i expected, but the sound of tooth breaking was still pretty terrible. But i was sitting 10min on chair, it could be much worse

[@Kabab]

yeah not so bad.

[@mikebergman1817]

The hands really say everything we need to know lol. We appreciate the hard work!!

[@nosky_]

no wonder you've been preaching to floss our teeth all this time, you've been playing the long game to get us to buy more quad parts...

[@KamilK3]

:D

[@archer4922]

Very very nice. Never even thought of using a 22xx motor for 3”. 👍

[@lynxfpv]

I agree. Using 22** motors just seem to be a smarter idea, ideally due to lifting all the weight. 1407 have worked okay for myself. Yet, after seeing this, I will put some serious thought into an upgrade

[@jasonbond3567]

I love you man...I really do...but I have to say that there's nothing more soul crushing than to get a notification that you've released a new video and then when I sit down to watch it at my favorite coffee shop, I find out it's about whoops or cinewhoops...I love you man but you're killing me.

[@Kabab]

lol any time I make a video about the little stuff I get the same for 5" and any time I make videos about 5" I get the same for the little stuff. Tomorrow the video about this frame is gonna come but I assure you I've got some real nice goodies in the 5" and the babytooth category coming.

[@smooth_ops2942]

I know how you feel, but the cinewhoop hype right now is real so you have to accommodate the FAD or the in thing. If he just made videos of new 5 inch props as well as ESC and FC design and theory I would prob just unsubscribe..... To Joshua Bardwell 😋. Bring back the podcast and call it "Getting Skewed with Kabob" and talk with industry engineers and designers about quad stuff in every aspect 👍🏻

[@jasonbond3567]

He knows I'm kidding...and I know that you know that he knows I'm kidding...if I was serious, all I'd want to see on the channel would be ultra light models for LOS flying. I do like the podcast idea though...I'm sure he's got loads of free time and nothing better to do...

[@smooth_ops2942]

@@jasonbond3567 Well he's done a couple podcasts already and they are very entertaining and interesting on how china businesses​ operate.

[@brianevans4]

It's really great that FPV cycle is working. I'm in the UK so I can't support you with that unfortunately, but I wish you all the best! I hope it becomes a booming success!

[@Kabab]

We're trying to improve world shipping

[@blessedfpv7357]

I'm happy to send you my money! 😅 You do amazing work and research, so I HAD to buy these motors! They look INCREDIBLE! 😍

[@JohnCuppi]

Awesome work man. Love what you're bringing to the cinewhoop table.

[@Acestrex]

That flys definitely surprisingly good for that much weight on a whoop board!! I knew a long time ago that when those crappy crazybee boards came out we had something once that type of board progressed! Thanks bob for pushing things along too!!!!👍

[@hoagietime1]

It's about time someone recognized my contribution to society by occasionally commenting on KZbin videos and Facebook posts. YOUR WELCOME!

[@bamirsculinarydishes2565]

Very nice!!! You the man

[@sully4875]

This will be my next build Thanks Man great to see you guys doing your thing 👍🏻👍🏻🇺🇸

[@huckaberryfpv4986]

Love your push for the hobby,still love flying my toothpik,thanks sir👍💯👊

[@duncanwilliams5790]

Nice one dude. Love the direction you're going in.

[@KuriOSS]

7:48 you are awesome. i can save my money and i got stan fpv cycle 2203. 😜

[@dividingbyzerofpv6748]

So I got to test my 3in today with and without ducts I designed. I see what you mean about weird behavior down hallways. Without ducts it just doesnt do it the weird yaw twitching that happens with ducts. I mainly wanted to see how it flew and what my throttle position was between the two. I was around 45% throttle to fly without ducts(heavish 3inch on 1306 4100kv 3s 18650). Going to ducts I added even more weight but throttle needed to fly wasnt much more. I am using 3in Avan tmount props and the ducts have maybe 1mm clearance from tip to duct inner surface. Definitely interesting doing a thrust test and feeling the thrust super focused in one direction with ducts as opposed to without ducts. But I think I am liking the flight and control of not using ducts.

[@Kabab]

Yeah the hallway thing is really annoying

[@hateeternalmaver]

I read CineSplode... LOL. Thanks for your work, man.

[@hateeternalmaver]

Haircut seems to be nice (can't see everything...) ;-) The footage does look pretty nice and I personally take the little extra weight as a plus in terms of feel. Thanks again, amazing review.

[@bumbleboltfpv3707]

XD hahaha. Just laughing my butt off after watching other whoop vids then this. Consistently, any arena of FPV you step into you completely destroy existing ideas on how well things actually can perform. Well done again good sir. Thank you for your time and effort and thank you for raising the bar every time.

[@dividingbyzerofpv6748]

Just designed and printed my own ducts for a build I have and I have a feeling it will take quite awhile to figure out which airfoil and angle of attack to use. At 13 hours per print to fit a set of ducts to the 3in drone I designed it will take a LONG time through trial and error. Not looking to sell or compete in the market. Simply want the knowledge and experience for being able to do it on my own from design to manufacture.

[@Kabab]

here's a secret I don't really share much. These are psudo ducts. A LOT of the performance comes from just separating the air above and below the prop. A cylinder duct is useless. It's gotta have some sort of funnel shape and I'm not convinced any degree of airfoil does a whole lot more once you get the funnel right. But I have not done the testing StanFPV has. He's worked really hard on these.

[@dividingbyzerofpv6748]

@@Kabab there are ao many air foils out there to try. If you set the air foil to a certain angle of attack you naturally get that funnel effect you are talking about where the top opening is wider than the bottom opening. I set my initital angle of attack to 5 degrees for the NACA air foil I used with a 28mm chord length. Gonna fly it very soon with and without ducts and see what my throttle percentage is between the two. I may try an air foil with like a 40mm chord length to see if I get more of the effect I am looking for or less. Random experimenting just to get the experience. I am all over the board from micro to macro to 7+ pound Xclass. Drone ADHD.

[@jackfpv8904]

Looks like big whoop with gopro lite can do much better in the air, but yes it will be much more effected of any wind.

[@Kabab]

Love them. But they're also very finicky to build and a bit delicate to maintain.

[@paadillaa]

Have you considered funding fpvcycle with an initial coin offering? the control of the company will still be on you guys hands and the "shareholders" could buy future products using the coins they brought from the ICO

[@Kabab]

We're not interested in taking anyone's investment money. that would mean we owe people something. Don't want to undertake any stress.

[@RixFPV]

I just got the GEPRC CineGo.... it is pretty good. Flies way better than the Bumblebee I have.

[@Kabab]

geprc is pretty good but there's nothing on the market that flies anywhere close to as good as this in the cinewhoop category. As of 7/16/2020 this is true

[@RixFPV]

@@Kabab Gonna have to build one of them ;) First I am building my first 5"... BangGod... will see how that goes first :P

[@LightsCameraandLego]

What causes the yaw wiggles? Also I am kinda unaware of what’s going on in your store. What is so innovative about your products. Please don’t take my question in the wrong way I am just curious

[@luckymefpv]

Well pretty much everything in the store is unique unless someone has already copied him.

[@Kabab]

The yaw wiggles will happen in a tight space when the thrust gets recirculated back into the ducts. Many people will see my work as unoriginal but what's different is that I'm actually doing a LOT of testing and research to come up with ways to do things better. So far I agree, the things I've presented are just optimizations of things that are already available even though they are genuinely unique. There are two motors in production right now that are completely different than any motor in the industry. Completely completely different. Before those two, there may be another half step motor for 5" that comes which again, will be an optimization albeit a pretty big one. None of this will happen unless FPVCycle continues to be supported by the community. So far it's been going pretty well but right now we're heavily in the red. Will need to wait to pull out of it before funding these new items. Making this new stuff is also incredibly risky. It costs a LOT to do and the risk of someone copying and undercutting overnight is extreme in this industry. It's entirely up to the community to make it happen. Throwing money at the trash littered across Banggood or supporting brands that just remake the same thing over and over hurts the industry more than anyone could imagine. It's why so so so many brands that were very innovative have left the industry. If you don't like what I'm trying to do, you don't have to support it at all...

[@LightsCameraandLego]

KababFPV wow! Are you sure your a dentist. You could be a really good sales man. I think I’ll give one of your motors a go. I might try the 2203 on a wing just as a test. I am more in to planes and that stuff but I have built a whoop. I think what you are doing is great. Can’t wait to see what products come out soon.

[@markpfeifer1402]

Hey Bob, I notice you did NOT have the antennas on the DJI controller STRAIGHT UP toward the sky. Is that by choice? I've never known if there was a particular orientation that was best.

[@Kabab]

No i probably just put them down

[@johnnormanrivera1671]

looks like the hypersmooth was ON

[@Kabab]

But it was not. That's the key 😁

[@ruuster83]

I'm pronouncing JHEMCU 'Gem-Q'. I've had great luck with their $25 5A 2S tiny whoop boards

[@Kabab]

These guys really know how to make a cost effective and reliable board. Been seriously impressed.

[@yannickg6904]

@@Kabab Bob, speaking of affordable electronics. To your knowledge, as anyone tested these? I ordered one of both for a 3in build. 30usd for a 25a F7 20x20 stack, cheaper than a mini mamba....they're on their way with a few other tidbits. www.xt-xinte.com/FEICHAO-Betaflight-F7-XSD-2-6S-Flight-Controllers-OSD-5V-9V-BEC-FPV-Four-Axle-20mm-For-RC-Models-Multicopter-Drone-Accessories-p723690.html www.xt-xinte.com/FEICHAO-EM15A-EM25A-20x20mm-15A-25A-BLheli_S-2-4S-4in1-DShot600-Brushless-ESC-for-RC-Drone-FPV-Racing-Quadcopter-Multicopter-p721271.html

[@v_ktr4358]

Thank you for all your work. Do you have any Vendors in Europe that will have your stuff?

[@gautamkrishna7421]

Just to add to that, unmannedtechshop.co.uk and hobbyrc.co.uk are really good vendors in the uk

[@Kabab]

unfortunately the margins are just super ultra tight. It's kinda pointless to even bother. We need to work with a warehouse in china to make it more reasonable to offer to the world and we are.

[@gautamkrishna7421]

KababFPV could you perhaps do wholesale to UK vendors? I suppose it may not make sense at the moment given the popularity you’re enjoying at the moment

[@v_ktr4358]

@@Kabab Wouldnt be a private Person, maybe one of the bigger European FPV People be a viable Option? They could carry just some of the more needed parts like arms, some base line Motors, etc...

[@ChrisJohnsoniShootnRaw]

Okay I thought the weight on my Cinerat was absurd @ 558grms AUW 6s. I’ve heard good things about these motors. Enough to go for it! Think I’ll give them a spin!

[@Kabab]

mind the mounting platform please. I'm not sure what the platform on the Cinerat is. Also, I believe that thing doesn't have ducts. I'd still recommend using the Gemfan 75mm duct props. The performance with ducts is a lot better....with THESE ducts. Not any duct

[@ChrisJohnsoniShootnRaw]

KababFPV thanks. I’ll definitely check the mounting platform prior. Yeah no ducts just guards on Cinerat. Thx for helpful info!

[@michaeljohnson6473]

Unrelated question. In one of your videos you mentioned your crossfire receiver was interfering with the ESC, and OSD chip I think.. I recently built a 5 inch toothpick style quad and my rx is pretty much sitting right on top of the FC. Do you think that could be the reason my OSD has been acting up? Maybe I should turn telemetry off and see the result... **Super valuable info***

[@Kabab]

Yes it could be. Try turning off telemetry on the Crossfire Rx. That usually fixes it. It takes a few seconds for it to actually turn off after selected. Give it a little time.

[@gaelarnaud9381]

HI, good work ! I just finished mine. Any advice in BLHELI32 for the 2203 3450 kv motor ?

[@Kabab]

Defaults or lower ramp up power a little for less noise in the system

[@MynameisJapan]

Hey Kabab, Does this frame fit the full sized Air Unit instead of the vista?

[@Kabab]

this does NOT fit a full size air unit. Only the vista

[@Kabab]

well actually I dunno. I say not and then tons of people fit it so it's at least not intended for that.

[@Schnoidz]

I hope it does. I'm thinking of this for my next build.

[@keylitho]

Great stuff... I am totally going to get these motors and frame.. What KV are you running in this video..? And also what material are those StanFPV ducts printed in..? and will the STL's be made available..?

[@Kabab]

I strongly recommend the 3450kv and 4S with the CineSplore. 6S is just not needed and a much bigger hassle for no gain at all. The ducts are by StanFPV. You'll have to ask him but I don't think he'll make the STL available. The duct mounting platform is available on the CineSplore product page so you can design your own if you like.

[@yannickg6904]

Pretty impressive Acro for a Cinewhoop. My Cloud 149 can't fly like that. My washout is a lot more severe.

[@allanuchiu]

Such a great motor design. May I know the flight time for these motors?

[@Kabab]

With a hero 8 and 1200mah 4s and everything you see on the quad in the video it's just over 3min of pretty decent movement during the flight.

[@allanuchiu]

@@Kabab great! Thanks for the reply 👍

[@fractalrender]

Bob, I wanted to ask you about the cinewhoop. I have 2 a iflight green hornet for bigger camera and a cine8 for small places and litfting a peanut. The thing is that I burned a motor on the iflight. 1408. Now its quite hard to find them. Specially here in argentina and a replacement from china takes 2 months. The thing is I was looking for raplacsmets and i found motors of 2203 or 05 which had the same pattern 12x12. Much wider. In one of your vids I saw you built a cinewhoop with motors close to what I could find. But my worries are the size of the motor en relation of the prop. The thing is then I found a way to rewind the startor.. but then I thought it would be good to build a spare one better than the one I have. So I was thinking about a shen drone squirt. But then I saw your vid for the cinesplore and I was much impress by the size and type of motors you use. Could you pleas explain me a little about that size relation and what can i build with that. Which aio would be better and what range of motors would be mor suitable not only fpv cycle but other brands. I am thinking to buy the frame and hve it brought by a friend but the rest of the components I was thinking to get them from AliExpress that its more easy and cheeper to get it by mail to argentina. Please if you could help me wtih that, it would be great! Regards Juan

[@Kabab]

Ahoy there I got your email and responded too. ✌️

[@Kabab]

That doesn't mean I'll be particularly quick at responding to either message. I just happened to look at both in this short time span 😅. I do my best

[@fractalrender]

@@Kabab thanks a lot!!! Take your time!!! I just need some guidance with the motor and whoop things!!! Thanks so much!!

[@doom3crazy]

Will this frame fit a 30x30 flight controller ?

[@Kabab]

It does not have mounting holes for 30x30

[@michaeljohnson6473]

Can Emuflight go into any FC that has betaflight now??

[@Kabab]

I believe it's most by now

[@rolosaenz]

Can this one be used with BF ?

[@Kabab]

the craft isn't flight code specific. The flight controller is. You can use whatever flight code you want as long as you buy the compatible board. Betaflight works with pretty much everything out there so it's hard not to be supported by them.

[@florianschaan]

Do you think ducts with a mesh or holes in it would perform better? Would be interesting to test that out//test out how durable that would be

[@Kabab]

those would make it a lot worse. It restricts air flow

[@uavtech]

2:35 -- because it is delayed. A lot.

[@Kabab]

Correct. Because it feels delayed but it's not actually delayed

[@jp-3dairgunworks152]

Why not post raw HD DVR? This would give us a true representation of what you were seeing.

[@Kabab]

because I didn't have a memory card in the goggles. it would look the same.

[@daveskybiker]

What's happening? You've shown your face in 2 consecutive videos. 2020 really cray cray

[@3eggerfpv397]

I swear that appeared to be a fresh GoPro on take-off, and smashed at the end?

[@Kabab]

lol two different locations. I reshot the flying portion. There's a link to the original one in the description. you'll see why i reshot it. I couldn't get the quad to do anything wonky in the other.

[@briancourtice2858]

I don't understand the need for ducts in an open environment.

[@Kabab]

It's not about the environment. It's about the flight performance. It's very difficult to fly at a really slow steady pace with open props. It just sort of slides faster

[@briancourtice2858]

​@@Kabab Ahhh. I didn't think there would be a performance advantage to flying with ducts. That's surprising.

[@frandsfpv9109]

What do you think about a similar setup but with 6S?

[@Kabab]

I think it's fine but also not really worth it. If you shrink the pack size and increase the volts to maintain the same weight you would have much less flight time. If you keep the capacity the same and increase tht weight you would have similar to less flight time as well. You may get some more power but the whole point here is to go slow, not fast. It doesn't really do fast no matter how much power you give it. On 4s it has plenty of power with little to no detectable sag at a 550g auw. To me, it's hard to justify 6s. Especially when the electionics are more expensive and more complicated.

[@frandsfpv9109]

Thanks, it makes sense. It’s been hard to find a stable setup at 6S with almost any cinewhoop I try. I end up with hot motors, burnt motors and escs. Lots of issues. Thanks!

[@tweekFPV]

👍👍

[@rullyadulfpv5787]

Emuflight Configurator Version? And, Emuflight Firmware Version? And, Target: MATEKF411..?

[@Kabab]

It doesn't matter. Any current build

[@rullyadulfpv5787]

Oke, i want Copy Paste but i dont know your version... TPA P I D not available in your screen ☹️

[@Kabab]

@@rullyadulfpv5787 it's the same. It hasn't changed.

[@prottentogo]

An exclusive EU vender for fpv cycle would be nice. Shipping is just too darn expensive.

[@Kabab]

margins are so tiny it's near impossible to even offer it to a retailer with any reasonable margin. It really sucks. We're working on a future solution.

[@prottentogo]

@@Kabab Alright, thanks for the clarification!

[@The0nionKnight]

Is anyone else flying the cinesplore on BF4.2 ? If so, can I see some pids?

[@Kabab]

I think mostly stock pids work well

[@The0nionKnight]

KababFPV I tuned it. Flys amazing now.

[@drc022800]

My cinewhoop has problems with bobbles and weird shakes when im trying to fly smooth

[@Kabab]

The only place I have issues with this when trying to fly smooth are indoors in tight walkways. The air recirculates and you get a lot of sliding around and yaw wiggles. You need to keep moving at a steady pace or just avoid walkways.

[@smooth_ops2942]

Try turning D MIN to 0 on both pitch and roll unless you have already done that. Bump up I TERM on pitch and roll as well 👍

[@RADERFPV]

... my girlfriend gave me a really bad haircut. Lmao👍

[@fpvdenzel6365]

1500mah 4s vs 1100 vs 850?

[@Kabab]

850 isn't much better and less flight time. 1500 4s will give about a minute more flight but feels heavier in the air when flying. 1100mah is the happy medium point.

[@fpvdenzel6365]

KababFPV i’ve been flying 1500 4s, get around 4-5 minutes when doing easy / slow flying

[@highducky420]

hello kababfpv do you ship to EU and lower the value of the package to avoid taxes ?

[@Kabab]

we do lower value of the package. It's been a real huge hassle to manage world shipping but we do still

[@highducky420]

@@Kabab ok nice , i only order from usa shops when they are able to do this thing. because with these added taxes its just to expensive for us EU citizens.

[@nerdCopter]

+1👍 💪

[@hadikrayem1530]

Can someone please help set up my self for some FPV. I tried to build my own quad, but failed, I have a Flysky i6, which I think is no longer in use. I am not looking for anything expensive ($200-300), this includes goggles, transmitter, quad and accessories. Any suggestions are greatly appreciated 😊 I don't mind if it is a whoop or a toothpick.

[@Kabab]

Unfortunately for only $300 I would recommend staying away from the hobby or sticking to very small things like the Eachine EZ Pilot. Otherwise you're only gonna have very poor experiences and it will be frustrating and a waste of money. The cheapest and most effective way to start is to ONLY get a controller and play simulators for a few weeks. Then watch some videos and build your own. This is universally accepted at this point to be the most cost effective and fastest way to start. You have a controller, see if it works with a computer for simulators.

[@hadikrayem1530]

Are there any FPV combo's that are good? Even of they are more than $300. Sorry to bother you with these questions.😅

[@pritchfpv6070]

tenth

[@fpv568]

please show us your handsome face more often :)

[@RCOverKill]

What's the deal with all the cinewhoops, I've never flown one, but at that weight I don't really want to, I guess I just want to see some new innovation with 5 inch.

[@stevenkelby2169]

Only for getting smoooooth footage. Not as good to fly as a normal quad.

[@RCOverKill]

@@stevenkelby2169 no doubt in my mind, I usually fly race setups, I built my first good freestyle glide, my God their so freakin heavy, like almost 200 grams more. I'm sure some 2407, or 2208 might feel a little better, but I don't think I'll ever like a heavy rig now, and the cinewhoops sound like their just begging for power.

[@Kabab]

we've got some very very real 5" innovation coming but it costs a lot to produce so we had to start with the smaller stuff and build up to the bigger stuff. There's one very different size and spec 5" motor in the works and two totally different motor techniques that don't even exist in this industry. All very risky to develop and manufacture but as long as FPVCycle keeps getting supported, it'll happen.

[@RCOverKill]

@@Kabab Nice, Im excited to hear that. I'll definitely keep getting what I can from FPVcycle, thanks!

[@RamsesHarrysson]

Can somebody explain me - Why You still need that stupid bulky GoPro thing in 2020 when there are 4k FPV cameras that are more capable and usable also in dark... gopro material in dark is mainly usless in my experience

[@Kabab]

Most people still don't want to mess with a finicky exploded gopro. The hero 8 and 9 have better quality too. Also, this general setup is really a different class. The whoops that carry the exploded gopros can't do too much....but that's fine since they're only intended for floating around. This cinewhoop is far more capable in flight performance. Improved performance makes it a whole lot easier to get the shot. There are also few places you end up flying the exploded gopro whoop that you can't use a larger whoop. Finally, the overall reliability of the craft that carries the exploded gopro is pretty poor by comparison. Overall, I love the exploded gopros and the small quads but I don't love the downsides that come with the gopro and the smaller craft. On an actual shoot, I cannot have issues with my equipment. This platform I've put together is a much better blend of reliability, usefulness, performance and improved image quality too.