Can we trust the Qur'an?! - The Ma’il Manuscript - Creating the Qur’an with Dr. Jay - Episode 34

Over and over again, early Quranic analysis reveals how early manuscripts are incomplete and ever undergoing amendment and redaction. With debate over their dating still at play, the Ma’il manuscript is no exception to these criticisms. The Ma’il manuscript has 43 suras, only 53% of the Qur’an. Watch as Al Fadi and Dr. Jay reveal the murky details surrounding this late 8th-century manuscript.
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[@trinitymatrix9719]

Short answer: no. Long answer: no

[@garlottos]

Long answer: Noooooooo

[@fredyhidayat3400]

Off course......u can put Quran in the toilet

[@LS-wg1vp]

😂

[@defenderoftruth3212]

@@fredyhidayat3400 ................. The curse of the Qur'an will inflict incurable disease in your @nus.

[@gracecha023]

Exactly! 💯

[@alexandernorman5337]

All the early qurans are different and yet muslims still claim their verbal recitals have been preserved word for word, dot for dot. Denial is truly the god of islam.

[@9pktheories]

Yep and ppl have always learnt to memorize from The physics copy they have at their time Since only 1% of Muslims memoroze(not even1%) And since it’s not hereditary it shows everyone learning from the Qurans of their time Also sahih bhukari 7191 proves no one memorized full Quran

[@maalikserebryakov]

@@9pktheoriesnot necessarily. Your thinking is that the fact Abu Bakr and Zayd needed to go around collecting verses and surahs from different people means no one had memorised it right? But in the firs tit literally says those who memorised the Wur’an were killed in battle. So there definitely were people who had memorised the Qur’an.

[@9pktheories]

@@maalikserebryakov I agree there could’ve been ppl who fully memorized it killed at battle of yanama Yet where it says in that Hadith last verses of sirat tauba were found only with khuzaima. Shows not a single person at time of uthmans compilation memorized the whole Quran Otherwise he wouldn’t be only one who knew that verse Since he was only one who knew it means no one memorized while Quran and that no one could authenticate those verses yet they were added anyways as well

[@9pktheories]

@@maalikserebryakov I was saying since khuzaima was only one with the verses that no one memorized the whole thing Also that Quran was lost for 2 decades and wasn’t preserved then cuz if any of the Qurans were same as Muhammad’s uthman wouldn’t have burned them all he would’ve burned them all except the correct version And he wouldn’t have had to make his own Also the fact his is lost to time as well leaves questions open If u c an answer this for me I appreciate it And if u like I can show u that my holy books perfectly preserved

[@billshepherd5090]

Buhkari also says people were lazy in their reciting and chapters and verses were lost.

[@xavierbesnard9201]

Merci de votre vigilance et de votre action. Rien de plus fondamental que la vérité.

[@hmao4466]

🙏 Thank you for saving lives....your work is that important.

[@rroyr5698]

This is a story I have not heard Jay speak about. Great work guys.

[@user-ht3ks4se5o]

Hey, Quran says that to prove me wrong, just create a shortest verse possible like found in Quran ... Can you and Dr Jay and all the supporters do this? Hahahaha .... Miserable you will be till the end of time but cant do this ... I dare you to do this ... Try, bring everyone in the universe for your help ... If you are failed, at least study the Quran and just listen to it with neutral mind and sincere heart for guidance ... Thats all we muslims say and invite to ... Fair enough? 😊

[@rroyr5698]

Which Quran?@@user-ht3ks4se5o

[@samuelflores1419]

​@@user-ht3ks4se5oSo why is there Jewish Folklore in your Perfectly Preserved Holey qur'an? 😂😂😂

[@defenderoftruth3212]

This is recycled issue that Jay Smith keeps on bringing over and over again. Nothing is new. It's already boring and monotonous. -12-13-23

[@samuelflores1419]

@@defenderoftruth3212 SIN has Holes and many at that. Remember the Holes in the Narrative? There are different routes to get to the Truth. That's what happens when folks lie about their Narrative and Real History begs to differ! That said if you don't like the content, move on!

[@satmat6566]

Jay’s leather jacket is on !! Meaning no original Koranic manuscripts from the 7th available!!

[@defenderoftruth3212]

You missed to mention the red yummy lipstick of Abdul Fadi which he loves to constantly licked. -12-13-23

[@MahaRaja-kx2ye]

God bless you both and all the ExMuslim “ activists “ 👍🏿

[@mysotiras21]

Unpacking the Murky Ma'il Manuscript. Thanks.

[@henktmmr]

God bless you, brothers.

[@samuelflores1419]

God bless you both and your ministry! To God be All the Glory!

[@pepsicherry6389]

Thank you for this video. big love from indonesia

[@user-ex9pc9ps8x]

I support this and believe: Dear Dr. Jay Smith, thank you very much for the clearification, which was told the same by Professor to me to change last name to have better future in 2016 in New Zealand. It opened new doors, changed my personality. I changed my last name from DADAMUKHAMEDOV (GRANDFATHER MUKHAMMAD) to AZIMOV. It impacted my acceptance to the western world with good intention.

[@tonykhoury5522]

Great effort Jay

[@paul-assiddiq-001]

Great work ✨ You will have to summarise the whole subject in one longer video.

[@Masowe.]

He did and also debated Shabir Ally on it

[@paul-assiddiq-001]

@@Masowe. , wasn’t that a while ago ?

[@Masowe.]

@@paul-assiddiq-001 the debate yes But videos about that are very recent actually

[@paul-assiddiq-001]

@@Masowe. , do you have the tittle ? That would be nice 😄

[@truth5403]

Any religion of hate is no religion

[@user-fd6tw2rw8z]

Dr Jay , you and your team have done a lot but now you try to provide this materials in deferent seminaries to our next generation. I am Catholic most probably Catholic seminarians don’t have this kind of material I am Asian live in Asia Do it as soon as possible

[@garlottos]

Can you make longer videos? There's not a lot of depth possible in these short form videos

[@macready3289]

Muḥammad and His Followers in Context The Religious Map of Late Antique Arabia Series: Islamic History and Civilization, Volume: 209 Author: Ilkka Lindstedt This book surveys and analyzes changes in religious groups and identities in late antique Arabia, ca. 300-700 CE. It engages with contemporary and material evidence: for example, inscriptions, archaeological remains, Arabic poetry, the Qurʾān, and the so-called Constitution of Medina. Also, it suggests ways to deal with the later Arabic historiographical and other literary texts. The issue of social identities and their processes are central to the study. For instance, how did Arabian ethnic and religious identities intersect on the eve of Islam? The book suggests that the changes in social groups were more piecemeal than previously t

[@motorcyclesdream6921]

I love Bible.. theres 75 version of Bible.. so for me, Bible is true.. but now i cant wait Bible be update again..

[@GODBLESSYOU532]

GBU CIRA I🙏

[@epflddog]

It’s heaviness proves it’s from god!

[@navesiqbal8947]

The argument he has is that it doesn't have dots all lines above them or beneath them but you can still read it and it would read the same. I don't speak Arabic and don't understand it but I can definitely read it. How can I read it it's because it has been made easy with dots and etc it doesn't change the meaning you still recite the Quran in the same way. Nothing has changed. And the Quran was preserved through oral tradition and documentation. More than 100,000 Muslims including kids at the age of 8 and 9 have memorized the whole Quran. Even if you take all the Qurans from the ends of the earth and destroy them. You can create more in a single day

[@ts8960]

thanks

[@racecar15]

Noo.... definitely not

[@AzizMeshal]

By comparing the religions, it doesn’t make sense a god “dies” than a manuscript that has a word which doesn’t seem exactly the same as other manuscript while both deliver same meaning.

[@shahidanfurqan]

Languages change just like everything and so do the symbols that represent it. Is English the same it was in 1600? Is Sanskrit the same it was? So why wouldn't manuscripts be changed? Why would Arabic Alphabet remain the same for 1400 years? But I still appreciate the work these people are doing to dig out the truth and break those superstitions that are so precalent not only in Muhammadian but Christian, Judeo and other communities as well. The problem with diacritics is not new nor is the problem of missing or distorted words or even whole verses or surahs. But these are quite normal of any manuscript. Even to this day the number of Books of the Gospel is uncertain and so is which one is directly from Yesua. This is one very important reason for us to learn the Aramaic or original Hebrew of Yesua and his time. Someday I really want to visit his land and learn the Aramaic from the first christians. Arab speaking people live in many countries in Middle east and those nearest to Jerusalem are perhaps the real ones that had the first written or oral Quran. I would suggest you all to immediately stop aiding the continuous war and do some serious excavation there before we may lose any artifacts if we haven't yet... Also encourage the first Christians to teach Aramaic all over the worlds as soon as possible. Many universities do not even have any academic to teach or research early Hebrew or Aramaic though they have Classics as a degree program. Free online teaching is also not much noticable.

[@techwood1233]

I agree that over time written text may change but to claim that nothing has ever changed and its still letter for letter dot for dot exact for over 1300 years is not realistic when the evidence destroys this claim yet they still claim this falsehood.

[@alfiras8604]

​@@techwood1233 1. The written text from the time of Uthman is basically unchanged. 2. Many of the claims made in this video are wrong. See my reply to this video.

[@techwood1233]

@@alfiras8604 the written text from the time of uthman had no vowels, it was made of consonants only, there were no diacritics either. History shows that the written arabic text was not a finalized standard written text until the 780's so the quran of uthman contained no vowels what so ever. How would anyone decipher any dialectical difference from a consonant text only? Its impossible to do so the claim made for the quran is destroyed the second you add vowels and dialectical markings. How did they know how to decipher the correct wording? They can't be 100% certain they chose correctly. Any information contained in this video can easily be checked on any search engine and the greatest enemy of the standard islamic narrative is the internet and with each new piece of evidence revealed it becomes more apparent that yasir qadhi was right and the standard islamic narrative has holes in it that just keep on getting bigger.

[@alfiras8604]

​@@techwood1233 It's true that with modern technology, any information can be verified easily. The written text during the time of Uthman did indeed have diacritics. Check out the earliest Arabic papyri and inscriptions. Some, which are as early as the 640s already show the (inconsistent) usage of diacritics. Early Quranic manuscripts also use them, but inconsistently. See Deroche's statement: "When comparing the diacritical dot- ting in Or. 2165 with that found in the Codex Parisino-petropolitanus, it becomes clear that the proportion of dotted letters is significantly larger. On a small portion of text transcribed by Hand A of the Codex Parisino-petropolitanus (Saint Petersburg, NLR, Marcel 18, f. 2a to 3a, 8: 42-72), thirty-two letters have been dotted against 179 in Or. 2165. " Deroche dates the Paris codex to the 7th century, prior to the "reforms" of Abd al-Malik.

[@collybever]

@@alfiras8604 Have you seem videos though showing differences between the qirats ? "Apostate Prophet" an exmuslim did one for instance. The most popular qirats now are Hafs and Warsh, but before standardising on the Hafs in Egypt (because of exam errors due to different qirats) and later Saudi Arabia in the 20C, there were many in use, 30+ for instance one can get if one wants. Also note that the Topkapi manuscript seems to have been edited, even though it was early, to bring in line with a later recitation, surely a faux pas if they really wanted perfect preservation [one should have utmost honour for the earliest manuscripts] (Anyway if it had been perfectly preserved, that's not so valuable if the content is inaccurate, e.g Mary mother of our Lord being sister of Aaron, she supposedly was in the Trinity. A digital file if transported properly is 100% accurate and will be so due to the techniques used, but its value comes from the content's value.)

[@jeanetteraichel8299]

More nails in the coffin that Islam is false

[@DWayTruthLife]

... And they wanted to get 100 years discount just to get a recognition of their fairy tales

[@user-yh4ym5il1k]

Hi,every single individual has freedom and right to believer or atheist, talk about humanity characteristics which is mission for all religions and leave people to unify against world oppressors in this universe and make population to be pure human being helping each other intead of isolate them and god bless us all

[@defenderoftruth3212]

You are a dreamer like John Lennon.

[@rogerd1685]

Maybe not the same thing but... Changing the Dates on these books bring in more money ? I ask because doesn't the Quran warn of such things. 2:79. Rewrite words and say from al-Lah for a PRICE...Just a question.

[@christophevervecken1370]

Main question today is, who can we trust in this so called democratic, social and souverein socities?

[@stlouisix3]

Never

[@MultiMark2]

Nada

[@rucudboy6677]

How many people convert to Islam and how many people becoming " murtad" in USA and Europe , one dekade before

[@user-jx5dm2ih7g]

While Islam is spreading to more lands, Islam is rotting away like Swiss cheese in Moslem lands. Jesus Christ is winning.

[@jakobbergen7574]

Was the former nun Karen Armstrong?

[@briankgarland]

As much as we can trust a Harry Potter novel.

[@Omni_Legent]

For a fan yes, but for someone who read and understand nooooo

[@Zubeneshemali]

NO!!

[@AbdullahAbdulSalam-xj9uq]

whoever wants to be swayed by deceit can do so, but whoever wants to be safe and live believing god is incomparable and is one, can do so as a Muslim and expire from the world with that belief. Life contains choices.

[@muhammedallah386]

And whoever said the sun sets in a moody pool of water is stupid. Also whoever said the sperms come from a backbone of a man while claiming that he is the creator is in fact the false creator.

[@ryanpeters5157]

Epispdes are too short. And the wait for the next episode is too long. You need to make these at least 20 min long

[@yunusjhon651]

Lets prove first if Heavens are really having 7layers of skys,Earth have 7layers of skys and every Heaven and Earth's have gate and guards by Angel.if those are proven true meaning the story of divinity is true.

[@lukesusilo2112]

Alfiras8604 that wanted to have discussion with Al Fadi and Jay Smith said that Uthmanic Manuscript accomodate 7, 10 or even 25 readings. He also said there are no alteration because at the beginning, there were already multiple original ways of reading the Quran. So Firas, if you're reading this comment, please do tell me EXACTLY how many original readings were there? Don't talk about Qiraat, Riwayat or Haraqat which existed in 8th and 9th century. Talk about the original ways of reading the Quran in the 7th century.

[@alfiras8604]

I've already replied to your question in another video.

[@lukesusilo2112]

@@alfiras8604 even though I just read it now, clearly it's not even answering the question. Please do tell me, how many exactly original ways of reading were there? You don't know? Just admit it then.

[@alfiras8604]

​@@lukesusilo2112I'm not interested in playing these games. My reply was pretty clear on my opinion on this. It doesn't make sense to visualise oral recitations which are multiform with terms like "original". There was no concept of "7 readings" (or 10, 20 etc) in the time of the Prophet. Instead, there was a certain number of options to choose from at each verse, and people could choose from these options whatever they wanted (which is actually explicitly mentioned in the hadiths). Each verse probably had a different number of options to choose from. But let's assume he taught 2 options at for each verse in the Qur'an. How many "original" versions are there would there be in this situation? My answer would be: "There's no such thing as an original version in such a model. However, all variants in this model would be authentic revelation from God". I suspect that you're the kind of person who would argue just for the sake of it. Feel free to disagree. But if you reply to this with insults or accusations of dishonesty etc, don't expect a reply.

[@lukesusilo2112]

@@alfiras8604 wow, a liar felt insulted when someone said they're a liar, what a time to live let me recap this I asked multiple ways (way + s = more than one, in case you don't understand basic and very simple english grammar), even giving option of 7 from 7 Ahruf, but what you said? "It doesn't make sense to visualise the Qur'an with one original. Yet here you are asking me how many originals there are." and then you don't like when I said you're a liar, when you clearly lied and twisted my word. Expecting a reply from you? No I don't need, that's why I don't check AGAIN my comments from earlier vid, after several hours passed by. But thanks again for exposing your lies, again and again. now you even propose new theory, no single or plural originals, what a way to destroy the Quran. from this: "If there was a single original, yes, there are alterations. But there isn't a single original- not according to the orthodox Muslim position anyways. According to how we understand the Quran, the "alterations" are valid recitations and not something negative (which is how people usually interpret the word "alteration"). "" ""There's no such thing as an original version in such a model. However, all variants in this model would be authentic revelation from God"." maybe what your logic is: If there's a single original, then if variations appear, it's alteration but if there were multiple variants of originals which I dunno exactly how it is, no matter how many variations appear, it's not alteration. Or.....do Quran even have original versions, be it multiple or singular? cause you say "It doesn't make sense to visualise oral recitations which are multiform with terms like "original"." but then when I asked, how many original ways of reading were there? there's no answer.......

[@defenderoftruth3212]

@@lukesusilo2112 ................ If there is no original of the Qur'an, where did the Qur'an of today come from? You mean someone invented the Qur'an? Who is that someone? You mean the Qur'an is also invented like the Bible? -12-13-23

[@jamalbaraja6130]

"Over it is ninteen" proves you wrong and the many miracles in it that only those who have light from God will see them clearly. And millions of reverts who are highly educated, many of whom are scholars and scientists and even Christian clergy men and many women have all proved you wrong.

[@TheProphetofLogic]

Trust me bro...

[@paulcaucci2528]

I don't believe in doctrines of demons.

[@20july1944]

First, and remember Pearl Harbor!

[@joek8948]

There r now so many books that critics, blasphem & expose the lies of the qoran, mohd & lsIam,, m0slems sheiks cannot issue fatwas fast enough to silence all of them.❤😂

[@SWOTHDRA]

😂😂😂 they preferred it when it was just Rushdie

[@mariaaugustyniak5484]

Ans is one no

[@BigDawgCleveland]

NO. Absolutely Not!

[@ezekielkanyau]

NO

[@stefanblumhoff2744]

Could I infer from the Sarah and ayat that muslims are required to worship a SINGLE INDIVIDUAL ENTITY as a singular pronoun, named al lah rather than as Jews state in Deuteronomy 6:4 hear oh Israel, the Lord our God is one. ECHAD as a collective pronoun. Are there any verses in the quran that contradict this. Are there verses in the quran that indicate the worship of muhammed.

[@almazchati4178]

Sure, you can not trust it. It does not have alternate copies like two versions of Genesis, one definitely has nothing to do with Moses who was quite old and did not remember a few things. Quran was revealed over ~20 years which is a shame as a true Prophet lives at least 200 years to make sure that the message is safely received and preserved, and not die at 30 and leave a lot of controversy behind. Bible, however continued to be inspired over 3000 years drip by drip, and it does not matter what Moses did not know about dripping scriptures. Finally, there is nothing in it about the Caesar, and his rights. In Caesar we trust.

[@gamingoutentertainment3475]

Trusting Quran is like trusting a devil to take you to heaven

[@defenderoftruth3212]

When you worship a man you are entrusting yourself to the devil.

[@user-pt9bd6qn9j]

Nice one 😅

[@danieladedosugbadero7373]

There are so many contradictions in the Quran. It can hardly ever be trusted as a true document of human History not to talk about a communication of God of the universe to humanity.

[@Kefa...]

No.

[@davidabramovichkosciuszko4216]

👍

[@brianellinger6622]

if thats how you was raised

[@jaimesustal9265]

No false book...

[@user-pp6fx7si4g]

Because the damn book was written by a number of different people. Not by Muhammad.

[@ms-ex8em]

u say that jesus died on the cross - (so ur saying that god died??) god is alive and eternal and cannot die

[@ms-ex8em]

well u have done the wrong thing buddy !! uve done wrong@@garybowings1538

[@kunasekaransteven6146]

To me , the quran contains simbolic / literal coded words for military pourpose ,

[@logical5780]

Yes..you can, it's based on the Creators good word..BUT..😮😮😮..when you die you don't go to the Creator you end up in a Kingdom run by a guy called Gabrial and a guy called Allah and Mohammed and a whole lot of generals and souls not affiliated with Jehovih (Not Jehovah) at all. 😮😮😮😢😢😢. The greatest trick played on Christians, Buddhists, Islamists, and Hindus. All going to different kingdoms run by False gods and Fallen angels 😢😢. Just look up and ask to be removed when you're there, and the Creator will send the pure angels 😇 down to remove your soul from 200 years of spiritual slavery... Don't forget now. 😮😮😮😮😅. THIS IS NOT A RELIGIOUS PUNT... BUT A BACK DOOR 🙄 WHEN YOU DISCOVER IT.

[@raquelguzman-iq8bs]

Can we Trust Choran?

[@user-nd5in4fn8w]

ALLAH save me and world

[@Poernomo55]

Can you trust devil?

[@defenderoftruth3212]

When you worship a man you are trusting yourself to the devil.

[@ANHNGUYEN-ee5ov]

..answer hell no. Its all Bsht.

[@nostradamus522]

3 is never 1 😂😂😂

[@defenderoftruth3212]

@@garybowings1538 ....... 1x1x1x1x1x1x1x1x1x1x1x1x1x1x1x1x1x1x1x1x1x1x1x1x1x1x1 = 1 Add infinitum, but still 1. Multiple not 3 only. Why change the: 1. Allah 2. Spirit of Allah 3. Word of Allah To: 1. Father? 2. Son? 3. Holy Spirit? There is a BIG difference. -12-13-23

[@necmettinmutlu306]

The prophet took office after 790. The pages before the year 790 belong to the book of the prophet before Muhammad.

[@DennisMay-vf9vi]

Long live Israel

[@aerisscallon9730]

Cant be trusted

[@dinonazamodeen5694]

Christianity is not the only Religion on Earth! You have your own Bible and the rest of us have our own. Even your Pals, the Jews, have their own and it's Totally different from yours. How can you reconcile your Bible with that of your Pals, the Jews???????

[@suchitrapaul6469]

No,no,no,no,no,no,no.... . ...........

[@ms-ex8em]

this is all okay but jesus christ (pbuh) ate drank and slept - whereas god does not eat drink or sleep! remember this

[@aln2790]

THE NEW TESTAMENT DOESN'T DESERVE TO BE CALLED A CHRISTIAN HOLY BOOK, BECAUSE IN THE NEW TESTAMENT THERE IS NO STORIES ABOUT CHRISTIANITY. THE NEW TESTAMENT ONLY CONTAINS CONVERSATIONS BETWEEN JESUS AND THE PEOPLE OF ISRAEL OR JEWS, THERE IS NO CONVERSATION AT ALL BETWEEN JESUS AND CHRISTIANS. THE NEW TESTAMENT IS MORE APPROPRIATE TO BE CALLED THE HOLY BOOK OF THE PEOPLE OF ISRAEL.

[@alfiras8604]

Once again, there are many mistakes here: 1. At around 2:13, you say "Here you can see an entire line that's been added in a later script". Yes, that's a surah separator, it says: "This is the beginning of Surah Anbiya and it has 111 verses." (The discrepancy is due to differences in dividing the verses - a phenomenon that exists in the canonical readings as well). 2. The manuscript is not a palimpsest. 3. It doesn't have vowels, but it does actually have (some amounts of) consonantal dotting. See Deroche, Qur'an's of the Umayyads: "When comparing the diacritical dot-ting in Or. 2165 with that found in the Codex Parisino-petropolitanus, it becomes clear that the proportion of dotted letters is significantly larger. On a small portion of text transcribed by Hand A of the Codex Parisino-petropolitanus (Saint Petersburg, NLR, Marcel 18, f. 2a to 3a, 8: 42-72), thirty-two letters have been dotted against 179 in Or. 2165." Dots are present in papyri and inscriptions dated to the mid 7th century, thus it's no surprise that we find them in 7th century Quran manuscripts. 4. Yasin Dutton dates the manuscript to between 30-85 AH. Deroche probably agrees with this range. This is one of the manuscripts he attributes to the earliest period in Qur'an's of the Umayyads (and he defines this period as likely pre-695 CE). 5. Folios belonging to the same manuscript are also found in Paris (under Arabe 328e). The codex therefore attests slightly more than 55% of the Qur'an.

[@zakeekenneth9265]

The devil has recruited you.

[@alfiras8604]

​@@zakeekenneth9265Clever response, bravo!

[@PeaceToAll-sl1db]

lol all the time these crescent moon god followers told us the quran never changed was a lie --- without lies islanm dies

[@defenderoftruth3212]

@@zakeekenneth9265 ................ Are you afraid to know the truth?

[@johndemore6402]

According to the quran Jesus is with Allah And Muhammad is in hell Who you follow will determine your destination

[@defenderoftruth3212]

You are spreading lies. That's not good. That's the one that will cause you to go to Hell. What you don't know, in the Hereafter, Prophet jESUs (pbuh) will not intercede for you. You defied his teachings. He taught you that he is only a mere Messenger of Allah SWT, but you made him a god. And for that, he will even ask the angels to throw you into the raging fire of Hell. It's only Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) who is allowed to intercede to Allah SWT to ask for reprieve for those people who are in Hell. But I doubt if you can be given a reprieve. For the unforgivable sin is ascribing partners or another God aside from Allah SWT. So, prepare yourself to have an everlasting life in Hell. -12-13-23.

[@cdmorrissy3692]

The Qur'an is a book of fiction....

[@defenderoftruth3212]

Correction: It's the Bible.

[@cdmorrissy3692]

@@defenderoftruth3212 I hope you enjoy HELL, because you'll be residing there for ETERNITY, if you "follow" Islam....

[@loretajustiniane1657]

I dont understand the God of Muslims Allah .Why they need to recite prayer always in Arabic how about those people from other Muslims countries which dont know how to speak Arabic . The Allah cannot understand the other language only Arabic

[@SWOTHDRA]

Best way to lie and grow your religion, if the new followers dont understand the language

[@user-ht3ks4se5o]

Dr Jay is simply ignorant of the teachings of Quran and Islam. Had he done a basic 10% research on Bible and othet books, he would have come to know that it is Indeed Quran only which is truly intact and preserved. If you believe that Quran is not a word of God, then here is a ver very simple challenge by Quran itself: Create a shortest verse like there in Quran, and bring for your help all the humans and Jins. And if you could not do so, and you will never be able to do so, then be prepared for the Hell whose fuel is .... Now, this is the challenge from Quran, create one verse and prove it wrong!!! 😊

[@JayApologetics]

He’s so ignorant quoting ur sources destroying ur manuscripts by using YOUR scholars … don’t be deceived lol ur manuscripts are all over the place ur Quran is not preserved according to ur Hadiths and scholars Islam is a lie

[@JayApologetics]

Wake up from that false religion

[@kanwarjitsidhu8678]

Just noise. Quran can be used to understand corruptions in Bible. in OT Numbers 28 conflicts with Isa 1-11 and Jer 7-22. Quran's verse i accept teachings of all old prophets can be used to discard animal killing and sacrifice verses of Bible including Heb 9 18-24, that makes noise about blood of Jesus meaningless. u people r light years away from understanding Bible/Quran message

[@MilenialLzm]

Hey bro, the original Qur'an is in the heart and mind and can be memorized from the time of the Prophet until now, even those aged 10-15 years have memorized the entire Qur'an and translation. Even the contents of one memorizer and another are the same without any change in meaning. Kitab means not a literal book, but a guide/law.

[@Angelina-cy8mp]

Which of the 37 different qurans?

[@MilenialLzm]

@@Angelina-cy8mp different??check again your data bro In the Koran it is clear what messages it contains, including the concept of divinity, law and the concept of salvation, and there is even a lot of scientific evidence that can only be solved in the modern era.

[@techwood1233]

@@MilenialLzm check again even muslim apologists now say there are verse variant qurans. There are over 50 verse variants between the hafs and warsh recitation that do change the meaning or doctrine.

[@collybever]

But the differences in qirats are not dialect-related, but many seem to be because the Arabic script used was inadequate in the 7C. If it was just dialect variants, the words in the fully specified script would not differ. "Vase" is pronounced differently in the US and UK, a vowel difference, that's fine its the same word, but "love" and "live" are different, just one vowel change, as are "love" and "lode" [consonant change], the early Arabic script of the north used by the Quran did not even properly differentiate all consonants. So it cannot have been passed on by recitals, but rather via the texts. Uthman also allegedly based his currently unidentified master copy of the Quran, on a written copy stored under Hafsa's bed, not recitations (but is this narrative honest, there is some evidence e.g. Mua'wiya was actually a christian, at least nominally, he prayed at Gethesemane and visited Golgotha, and had coins with cross symbols.)

[@techwood1233]

@@collybever a dialect difference is a verbal pronunciation difference, if you lack the written text to decipher or differentiate that verbal pronunciation then it can only be written down one way only and could be said and understood only one way. Your point is non-existent even your own apologists no longer deny it

[@dangdutirama1679]

You can easily detect a deceiver when they disguised themselves in clothing of people of different faith.

[@SWOTHDRA]

🤡 Al lah aka Bäal is the best of the deceivers

[@dangdutirama1679]

@@SWOTHDRA First you have wrongly interpreted the verse. Its 'planner'. Not deceiver. You are lying against the Quran. Second, we do not worship idols. Prophet Muhammad pbuh destroyed all the idols when he captured Mecca. Prove that Islam prohibits idol worship. Third, your Pope kisses the stone statue of baby Jesus despite the reminder in the bible not to worship idols. Is your pope a pagan too? Fourth, according to your bible 2 Corinthians 4:4, satan is god of this world. So do you worship satan? How many gods do the christians worship now? 4,5,6?

[@--MattBlack--]

Karen Armstrong is the (ex) catholic nun

[@dangdutirama1679]

Calling out to my christian brother and sisters. Please re-evaluate your faith. Because Jesus in the bible Matthew 9:1-4 said it is 'evil' to think he is god. So please drop the thought that Jesus is god for it is evil and worship the one true God of Jesus. If you follow this preacher, you will end up worshipping a human just like the pagans. Return back to monotheism.

[@dangdutirama1679]

@@garybowings1538 You must be one of the pagans human worshipper. Pagans really hate religious people. Have you dropped the thinking that Jesus is god. He has reminded you that it is evil to think he is god.

[@pipitarfany3098]

*as a muslim we do trust al quran, because none of you ever find which is different and which was changed, but of course as a non muslim you would never trust the quran* *Al quran is the only religious scripture that is preserved through memorization by millions of muslim all over the world* *The original written al quran has no dots and dots are newly added, this fact is always accepted by muslim scholars it is not something we hide*

[@PeaceToAll-sl1db]

quran is a man made book that is nothing but nonsense - not all there - makes no sense

[@MergedElement]

Correction Muslim scholars also agreed there different version of the Quran.

[@defenderoftruth3212]

@@garybowings1538 ................ Al Qur'an is the one who will lead you to Paradise and have an everlasting life there. The Bible is the one who will lead you to the raging fire of Hell and have an everlasting life there. -12-13-23

[@pipitarfany3098]

@@MergedElement *Which Muslim scholars and what is the different?, many missionaries kept saying this but did you ever read anything that they said different or changed?* *Of course every Quran printed in every country has different cover, but did they ever show you which verse is different or not the same, and have different meanings that change what Muslim believe, the answer is none and never* *Al Quran is preserved in oral tradisition should there be any misprint every Muslim who memorize Al Quran by heart will recognize it immediately as soon as they recite it*

[@debbiedebz7297]

Millions of ppl memorized shakespare throughout the world that doesn’t mean what he writes is non fiction or words from God Its not that hard to memorize and preserve a lie lol So none of that proves beyond a reasonable doubt that its factual and from God

[@pastimerascals6227]

Can we trust the Bible 😂

[@pastimerascals6227]

@@garybowings1538 but Allah was a fictional character 🤣

[@user-yb3rf6dr8h]

Ya

[@defenderoftruth3212]

@@pastimerascals6227 .................. When you face Him in the Hereafter, and answering the questions as to why you did not believe in Him and His Message, and you are about to be thrown to the raging fire of Hell, the God you thought is a fiction will shock you to death, although you'll not die again. But the shock of all shocks is when you are there already burning in Hell with no reprieve. -12-13-23

[@RafikKhan-ol4zk]

Csn we trust the bible

[@jakobbergen7574]

The Bible is no more accurate but only the most extreme Christians believe it is the unaltered word of God.

[@RafikKhan-ol4zk]

Were Allah said we can trust the Bible

[@raihanrivandi5025]

I am an atheist so no... never...

[@RafikKhan-ol4zk]

Never

[@johnnybravo6224]

Can we trust the qur 'an? Really?! Hahahahaha L🤣L!

[@defenderoftruth3212]

I prefer to trust the Qur'an since I know it's all revelations from God, while the Bible, there is not a single revelation from God in it. Whom would I trust, words of God, or words of the writers? -12-13-23

[@ms-ex8em]

jesus is not god

[@godsgospelgirl]

Keep up the good work! Jesus is Lord! Muhammed is a false prophet!

[@fivenightsatfreddys9369]

of course trust quran! what's your problem if muslims trust quran? what's wrong with millions muslims congregate in Mecca? churches are getting empty, while mosques are filled around the world.. so who are the most practicing religion in this world?

[@jeanetteraichel8299]

Uhm, because what happens to Muslims who leave Islam?

[@josephj5050]

Muslims may trust the Quran,but they are trusting a proven fraud. Muslims continue to perform the same pre Islamic pagan rituals Mohammed would perform with his pagan tribe the Quraish, these practices were "from the pre Islamic period of ignorance "aka pre Islamic pagan rituals which Mohammed kept and became part of Islam. Why continue with practices from a period of ignorance,if Islam is the truth? Narrated 'Aisha: 'Ashura' (i.e. the tenth of Muharram) was a day on which the tribe of Quraish used to fast in the pre-lslamic period of ignorance. The Prophet also used to fast on this day. So when he migrated to Medina, he fasted on it and ordered (the Muslims) to fast on it. When the fasting of Ramadan was enjoined, it became optional for the people to fast or not to fast on the day of Ashura. Sahih Bukhari 5:58:172 Tawaf between Safa and Marwa Doing Tawaf between Safa and Marwa is an Islamic ritual associated with the pilgrimage to Mecca. Safa and Marwa are two mounts, located at Mecca. This ritual entails Muslims walking frantically between the two mounts, seven times. Indeed, as-Safa and al-Marwah are among the symbols of Allah. So whoever makes Hajj to the House or performs 'umrah - there is no blame upon him for walking between them. And whoever volunteers good - then indeed, Allah is appreciative and Knowing. Quran 2:158 According to a hadith in Bukhari, this was originally a pre-Islamic practice, which may explain the phrase "there is no blame upon him" in the above quoted verse. Narrated 'Asim: I asked Anas bin Malik: "Did you use to dislike to perform Tawaf between Safa and Marwa?" He said, "Yes, as it was of the ceremonies of the days of the Pre-lslamic period of ignorance, till Allah revealed: 'Verily! (The two mountains) As-Safa and Al-Marwa are among the symbols of Allah. It is therefore no sin for him who performs the pilgrimage to the Ka'ba, or performs 'Umra, to perform Tawaf between them.' " (2.158) Sahih Bukhari 2:26:710

[@leehw9394]

Sahih Muslim 146 Book 1, Hadith 280 “Verily Islam started as something strange and it would again revert (to its old position) of being strange just as it started, and it would recede between the two mosques just as the serpent crawls back into its hole.” Is it sound like end of Islam in end time!?……….and who is serpent in this verse?

[@annemurphy9339]

@@jeanetteraichel8299 Moslems are losing members hand over fist: there are numerous videos online of imams having meltdowns over the exodus out of islam. The only thing keeping islam afloat is their very high birth rates.

[@MilenialLzm]

Hey bro, the original Qur'an is in the heart and mind and can be memorized from the time of the Prophet until now, even those aged 10-15 years have memorized the entire Qur'an and translation. Even the contents of one memorizer and another are the same without any change in meaning. Islam is clear, teaches monotheism, so what is your duty as a Muslim? Obey its commands and stay away from its prohibitions, that's it.

[@haroonrashid5090]

A BETTER QUESTION IS CAN WE TRUST JAY SMITH AND HIS LITTLE FRIEND WHO GOT HIS OUTFIT AT THE LOCAL HALLOWEEN SHOP

[@haroonrashid5090]

@@garybowings1538 AN EVEN BETTER QUESTION IS WOULD YOUR MOTHER LIKE TO WIPE MY JIZZ OFF OF HER FACE WITH A TOWEL. I WOULD BE GLAD TO ORDER ONE THROUGH AMAZON AND HAVE IT DELIVERED

[@defenderoftruth3212]

@@garybowings1538 .................... How did you know? Are you the Peeping Tom? That's the worst habit. You might find your eyes will be pierced with sharp object. But kidding aside, if that was true, what's your problem with that? They are couple. They are husband and wife. Who cares if you wear your wife's underwear? But let us analyze the situation at that time in comparison to the situation today. People at that time are more conservative, while the people of today are more liberal. In other words, those people are flaunting their underwear in public. They don't show their underwear. Unless you were there during that time, I might your accusation a little bit of attention. -12-13-23

[@haroonrashid5090]

@@garybowings1538 Gary I am disappointed. No response? I thought your tobacco chewing , square dancing, banjo playing, moon shine drinking, overall wearing, barefoot, poor while trash would have just a bit more for me. The public education system has failed you Gary.

[@user-rk3hc6zk3b]

😂😂😂 a trick question .

[@victorvalandybernard7944]

So what is your point of disrespecting the faith of 1.3 billions of people

[@muhammedallah386]

There was no disrespect, unless you enjoy being told lies and get irritated by truth.

[@dundadunda552]

Truth

[@billshepherd5090]

Telling the people that follow this satanic religion what their sources truly say is disrespect? Tell me how that works.

[@victorvalandybernard7944]

@@billshepherd5090 we dont Need y ou f…. Religion . Respect out faith

[@bonniethebonnie6971]

From the river to the sea, islam should not be!!!