One Year Since the Voice Failure | Warren Mundine

[@CISAus]

Why do you think the voice failed?

[@samyouel4596]

because its devisive. Australians voted yes for the gay marriage bill because it makes everyone equal. The voice does the opposite. It creates a part of the constitution that seperates people by race and gives extra power to one certain group of people.

[@a9503128]

Most British immigrants also left behind all the nonsense of division by race, class etc etc.

[@infidel202]

My thoughts are Australian's couldn't see how the voice was going to help the most disadvantaged Aboriginal Australians when the majority of allocated funds was and is swallowed up by the elites and the multitude of departments, albanese had to be shamed into visiting Alice Springs, which is hard to understand why he wouldn't be spending time trying to understand the context of the issues, like the family living on a concrete housing slab in a tent so their children could go to school or kids too scared to go home at night getting into trouble because they have no direction and don't know how to ask for help in the form of a safe place to sleep and a meal, labors approach was ideology instead of trying to understand the problems

[@johnnie2031]

A group of 250 activists took a petition to a referendum and arrogantly assumed the whole country would just go along. They then hurled abuse at anyone who asked questions about it. It highlights the problem of surrounding yourself with people who just agree with everything you say. Nobody would’ve had the courage to tell these activists that this probably wouldn’t work. Also the government and the activists had different narratives. The PM said ‘it’s a minor thing and there’s nothing to worry about’ yet the activists were saying it’s ’the first step to pay the rent’.

[@maddyg3208]

Because unlike elections, "no" was an option. Most ALP voters are not leftists per se and only vote that way because the party (when in govt) gives them welfare in the form of jobs, benefits and services (and/or they are afraid the Coalition will take it away) but, like a "Welcome to Country" ceremony, The Voice would give them nothing. Ironically, something, put forward by a party that only gains power because of welfare recipients, which was intended to benefit the biggest welfare recipient group of them all, got voted down by the other welfare recipients

[@Dacamike]

I voted No because Albo said “just vote Yes and we’ll figure out the rest later”. Also we currently have 109 federal government departments dealing with indigenous affairs and nothing changes. Where is the money going ? Senator Price asked that question after the voice defeat and got shouted down.

[@gloriapascoe2614]

YOU KNOW DAMN WELL MONEY HAD BEEN ALLOCATED SINCE HOWARD STARTED VOICE RECOGNITION.

[@psidot]

Some of that money has been going to the school where Price's mum is one of 4 or 5 Co-Principals and it seems how this money has been spent is very questionable. No wonder Price wanted all such investigations closed down. Jacinta Price's mother, Bess Price, has been one of the Co-Assistant Principals of a private aboriginal school in Alice Springs called Yipirinya since 2022. They claim to have about 150 pupils, but the true number is closer to 25 to 30. They had plans to build a boarding facility at the school using $12 million in federal funds. The boarding facility has yet to be built and is unlikely to ever be built. No wonder Jacinta quickly shutdown any investigation into "where is the money going" once people were onto what her mother was up to.

[@No_Pro_00]

​@@psidotProof?

[@elizabethblackwell6242]

@@psidot Any chance you can provide any evidence for such idiotic assertions?

[@psidot]

@@elizabethblackwell6242 Jacinta Price's mother, Bess Price, has been one of the Co-Assistant Principals of a private aboriginal school located in Alice Springs called Yipirinya since 2022. They claim to have about 150 pupils, but the true number is closer to 25 to 30. They had plans to build a boarding facility at the school using $12 million in federal funds. The boarding facility has yet to be built and is unlikely to ever be built. No wonder Jacinta quickly shutdown any investigation into "where is the money going" once people were onto what her mother was up to.

[@donaldkeith139]

No to racism. No to segregation. No to identity politics. No to division in Australia.

[@AndrewBlucher]

And yet you voted for identity politics and continuing the division where one group of people are being destroyed.

[@TedBear1954]

politics always divides - it will never be different.

[@bitey6709]

And all the racists voted NO.

[@paulw5039]

@@bitey6709 The racists voted yes, quite obviously. Pushing for a new version of apartheid.

[@ancientnpc]

Well done.

[@restfulplace3273]

We voted No to hate, division, lies. One country. One set of laws. Treat all Citizens equally.

[@Jumbo-k4t]

That one cracks me up when everybody's going left and right and you're woke your green and I am a Boomer and you're this and I'm that what the hell is that if it's not division

[@LL-wc4wn]

Why did we vote no? Australians are tired of the racism.

[@tubester4567]

There is a major reason nobody is talking about. The vote was on Oct 8, one day before (Oct 7) was the attacks in Israel. Just after the attacks, groups like B L M posted their support of the attacks on social media. Even for many lefties,, they could no longer vote yes.

[@gloriapascoe2614]

Rubbish. The VOICE WAS NOT DIVISIVE. YES TO RECOGNISING THE CULTURE THAT HAS EXISTED FOR 65,000 YEARS. YES TO HAVING ABORIGINAL ELDER MAKING REPRESENTATIONS TO GOVERNMENT WHERE HELP IS REQUIRED IN TERMS OF HEALTH. NOTHING LIKE PROPOGANDA MACHINE SEWING SEEDS OF DOUBT 5:41

[@OnCountryWithMick]

Sadly this referendum has caused a massive increase in racism, well at least publicly.

[@joshfish2]

did you even watch the interview? Warren Mundine said next to nothing about racism...

[@OnCountryWithMick]

@joshfish2 yes I am aware he said next time nothing about it but it is something I have noticed appears to have increased because of this referendum

[@EricaBassi99]

Because we didn't know what we were saying yes to. Exactly. And we have a healthy mistrust of the government.

[@dpitt1516]

Exactly Albo couldn't even explain how it was going to work and kept fobbing us off to look at a website. If he couldn't explain it in laymans terms how on earth was it ever going to work in the real world? It still didn't explain how some aborigines were getting most of the funding and some were getting very little if any at all. If anything it just highlighted the differences between well off people and poor peoples. How on earth would every zone of Australia be fairly treated and have a fair say. The amount of funding it received was also at question. All it ever did was create more division than ever........

[@AndrewBlucher]

In layman's terms it was give Parliament the power and Parliament, including Dutton, would decide how to implement it. If Dutton won the next election he could gut the whole thing. Dutton claiming that we didn't have the detail was just deliberate deviceness, and most Australians fell for it.

[@kevinlatham5661]

1967 referendum recognised that indigenous Australians had the same rights and obligations as everyone else, that they were citizens, The Voice referendum sought to make them seperate from other citizens , that they were legally different , had different status . that they had rights in addition to other citizens.

[@YXC-k8o]

​@@dpitt1516And that website was also very vague. Not much info provided

[@Jumbo-k4t]

You don't trust the government because Google has told you to think like that and any intelligent person would know that if you've got white aboriginal women screaming it's probably best not to give them any more power

[@christopherallan619]

Warren Mundine what an amazing individual he copped a lot of heat and backlash from the yes campaigners and he stood his ground. This is what makes a great Australian! It certainly gives me hope for Australia when we still have people like this.

[@graemekeeley4497]

Senator Jacinta Nampijinpa Price Warren Mundine and Peter Dutton were the heroes behind Australians rejecting the Voice Then there were the ordinary 60% of Australians who knew there was a better pathway than constitutional enshrinement of one race above the majority

[@elizabethroberts6215]

@@graemekeeley4497💯🎯🎯🎯🎯🎯🎯

[@jc7671]

Warren is a dumbass halfwit living on his family name. Whenever he speaks it should always start with “Jacinta’s position is …” Jacinta is the real brains of the no campaign.

[@Smiths_Chips]

I would love to see warren mundine as our GG. I have so much respect for this man. I would love to see senator jacinta nampinjinpa price as our prime minister. They are 2 amazing human beings.

[@logoutofmyaccountweirdo]

​@@graemekeeley4497no there wasn't as it was essentially a useless position that only served to make the aborginal people feel heard in parliment in matters that only concerns them. As they could only speak to matters concerning aborginals and even than that is all they would've been able to do " speak". I guess we know how australia feels about hearing out aborginals and how they feel about the problems that only affect them, asking for too much there buddy.

[@drevil7684]

Warren Mundine is living proof that the voice is not needed. He is an excellent role model and a genuine voice for First Nations people! Go Warren!

[@balroggambit]

He's more white by far. Look at him

[@Jumbo-k4t]

First nations is no longer ok it's going to be taken out of the dictionary We now call them aborigines

[@stephent2243]

The majority of Australians didn't want more division. Everyone knew it would be mismanaged and of no benefit to the people it was said it would help. The gaslighting was not tolerated by the general public who are not to be insulted.

[@garryrichardson4572]

Best summary of the fiasco.❤

[@cbdude]

They'll still vote for the same monkeys though... Vote One Nation!

[@johnfisher9692]

And it would give very wide and unspecified veto power to a very small percentage of the population who the vast majority had no say in electing to positions of power

[@rossevans1774]

Agreed. The people have spoken. What is concerning is we have a 'divisive' prime minister that was determined to get this racist referendum passed. While he has conceded the Australian public have rejected the referendum, he still does not agree with the Australian public's decision.

[@AndrewBlucher]

Ah, Classic gaslighting, to claim the other side is gaslighting.

[@namogel67]

We voted NO to a divided nation and YES to one people, one country.

[@rossevans1774]

And allegiance to 1 flag.

[@Rage_Harder_Then_Relax]

@@rossevans1774 LOL We did NOT vote for allegience of a flag. Your blatant parochialism is showing. Most people don't consider that important, only racists and winning sportsmen & women in the olympics and world sporting events..

[@psidot]

And yet we end up with a more divided nation than ever, so go figure.

[@rossevans1774]

@@Rage_Harder_Then_Relax It required a futile $365,000,000 referendum to state clearly 1 nation, 1 people. It should not require that Australia burn another $365,000,000 to state clearly 1people, 1 flag.

[@namogel67]

@@Rage_Harder_Then_Relax calling someone with a different mindset to you, narrow minded and racist is exactly why we're a divided nation. It's unnecessary AND you're outvoted.

[@larry514]

Simply ... Albo said there was ONE page referring to the Referendum which was incorrect as there was 24 pages. Well, done Warren and Jacinta.

[@seegee7728]

Exactly.

[@Jumbo-k4t]

Yes much easier for very dumb people To look at it that way

[@rayweh-bfa4966]

Warren I am proud of you Australian hero

[@MP-ye6tv]

they underestimated the intelligence of those who voted no. I did loads of research and voted against separatism, and for funding based on need, not identity. It’s so insulting that the ‘no vote’ was dismissed and blamed on r’cism and misinformation!!

[@retyroni]

@@Surfer-x7h Your aggressive and uninformative response is typical of many Yes voters. It gives a pushy salesman vibe that made many of us suspicious of the product.

[@Surfer-x7h]

@@MP-ye6tv BULLSHIT ARTIST

[@Surfer-x7h]

@retyroni telling it how it is is not aggressive thats typical of you playing with words...All they wanted was to have a say in matters concerning Them ....anything else is misleading BULLSHIT. thin skin paranoid crap.

[@Surfer-x7h]

@retyroni la de da aggressive hahaha you soft cok that's not aggressive idiot...can't even get that right.. fk off..dhead..and that's the truth.

[@ralphmogridge8364]

Intelligence???....If you don't know,Vote No!! If you did any research, You'd know it was about achieving equality in the Close The Gap outcomes which became worse under the LNP which was health, education, employment , incarceration and improved child mortality rates. This changed when the LNP turned it into a race!!

[@pablovalentine8976]

As a Aboriginal myself i voted no because in my opinion we all need to be one people you can not have division because it goes against everything Aboriginals have fought for for 200 years .

[@ianking-jv4hg]

As a wadjula, in 50+ years of walking Our Country i have been into many communities and never have been turned away from shelter or sustenance by Australian Aboriginality. I Love my Brothers and Sisters

[@pablovalentine8976]

@@ianking-jv4hg onya bro

[@alanc6781]

I like it. Why do you think Elbow is trying to divide us?

[@pablovalentine8976]

@@alanc6781 He wanted division because he is corrupt its about money and greed . Also he is doing the same thing now with the Muslim votes. The bloke is weak and bad , Ive been a labor voter for 66 years i would never say that about them but this guy is horrible. Also he is trying to take our freedoms of our own opinions and speech. No one has that right we are a democracy we are born with that right.

[@ianking-jv4hg]

@@alanc6781 W.E.F. directives !

[@garrymoore2186]

We voted no because we're not as stupid as our current government.

[@norego6237]

as the majority of every government that this country has had .

[@Jumbo-k4t]

Prove that you're not as stupid as other people simply by saying that says you are LOL

[@johnfranke9655]

Great to see you still fighting Warren, keep up the good work

[@CISAus]

Thank you! Will pass this comment along

[@GusGusto65]

Nothing will help the Aboriginals until the Aboriginals decide to help themselves! As always they want everything handed to them with no effort from themselves, if you want to get ahead be prepared to do it yourself, well said Warren.

[@TwoPlusTwoEqualsFive32]

There is a saying in age care and child care "Don't do for the others what they can do themselves" it might seem helpful to do everything for someone you are caring for, but in reality you are removing their agency and actively harming them.

[@johnfisher9692]

The trouble is they see no reason to get off the fat butts and do anything as everything is just handed to them by idiots trying to prove they are more "enlightened" than anyone else in helping these 'poor and disadvantaged' people get yet another brand new home given to them and well as money to live on without any question.

[@Ineddiblehulk]

Noel Pearson was a chief architecht - along with concervative constitutional lawyers - of The Voice model and has long been a proponent of ensuring his community had agency and took accountibility - he's spoken about 'soft racism' of having lower expectations for the Abortiginal and TIS communities. This was one way he was to give more agency to the community and make legistaltion for the Aboriginal community be better informed and more efficient and cost effective.

[@stuartpotter600]

So true

[@bush2coast801]

@@Ineddiblehulk BS...he was not... Megan Davis was 🙄

[@tlb2970]

The government misinformed us about the voice, that’s why we voted NO NO NO

[@John-p7i5g]

Nicely spotted. Hence the current Misinformation Bill.

[@frednerk3477]

@@John-p7i5g The current proposed Misinformation Bill is being put forward by the same guy (Prime Minister Albanese), who gaslit and misinformed us all on the "Yes" vote. In actual fact is an attempt to punish anyone for criticism of his Labor Party policies.

[@simonchristie5496]

Everything that comes out of a labour mouth is a lie.

[@AndrewBlucher]

Classic misinformation play: blame the other side for it. The truth is that the no side drove the misinformation campaign. Dutton thrives on division.

[@bb-qk8mp]

@@AndrewBlucher "Classic misinformation play." Jesus you just cannot stop can you, wanker.

[@KOHNJOMO]

Warren Mundine, is the voice of reason. A very likable guy who speaks to all of us in a very articulate way explaining the solution to the problem and advocating a United front to move forward.

[@jackdawg4579]

I voted no, because we were not told what the actual legislation would be. Never ever give a politician a blank check.

[@AndrewBlucher]

This just shows basic ignorance of how the Constitution works. With this level of ignorance the country is doomed. Democracy requires an educated population to work. Without it the country will slide into division.

[@Ineddiblehulk]

@jackdawg4579 there was no legislation to show. It was about enshrining a voice in the constitution that would have to be consulted whenever parliament was making legislation regarding the indigenous population. The voice had no veto power and no power to bring forward legislation to parliament.

[@andrew_l1900]

@@Ineddiblehulkand what does “consulted” mean? They literally couldn’t give an answer to that question. What if the voice disagreed? What if the voice made themselves unavailable for consultation? If the voice could just be ignored than what’s the point of it? If it couldn’t then it would have to have some sort of power to wield over government……again it was the government going “just trust us bro, we promise we won’t exploit this thing for a power grab”

[@Ineddiblehulk]

@@andrew_l1900the voice had no veto power, and no ability to make legislation. It was simply enshrined in the constitution that they had to be heard on legislation matters concerning the indigenous population. The voice also recognised Aboriginals and TSI as first peoples of Australia. The model was created with and by conservative constitutional lawyers - the power always remained with parliament.

[@alsmith9853]

​@@Ineddiblehulkyou didn't answer the questions though, what was the point of it? And who decides what legal issues are relevant to the Aboriginal people?

[@trudiswanson9855]

Thankyou Warren, God bless you. I hope your voice is heard more. 🙏

[@John-p7i5g]

Price and Mundine are legends. They were pivotal in pointing out the major flaws to the Voice. They saved Australia from divisiveness, and should get an OAM.

[@marcelr.9035]

When will they admit they were wrong?

[@johnfisher9692]

Politicians are never wrong, we are just misinformed.

[@AndrewBlucher]

I supported the Yes side. We were wrong. We thought Australians could see through the misinformation from the No side, and had more generosity of spirit. The first Australians need help to overcome the destruction we have visited on them. We were certainly wrong. The dividers like Dutton won, and diminished Australia.

[@bush2coast801]

@@AndrewBlucher what a load of crap.... The Voice had no clout. Fancy creating another Govt Bureaucracy to give "advice" but no future Govt had to implement it. Farcical at best. Putting Constitutional Recognition with "The Voice" was a failure too. 95% of Australians via a Poll endorsed the Recognition but not a Voice... so on both fronts it was a failure. Stupid. 🙄

[@AndrewBlucher]

@@bush2coast801 Ah, I see how you have addressed each point.

[@Risingashes]

@@AndrewBlucher Take your pity party elsewhere racist.

[@jonahtwhale1779]

Because most people do not believe that Aboriginal people are special deserving of preferential treatment.

[@busarob1969]

100%, looks the special treatment and tax payers money Aboriginals already get! And look at the respect they have for us! Zero respect! Why should any group of people get special treatment over another , humans migrated out of Africa, some tock longer than others to get to Australia, that just how it works, no body own planet earth , we all have to share it .

[@Ineddiblehulk]

@jonahtwhale1779 The indigenous population already have legislation made regarding their community - the voice was about making sure the government had to consult with the community before making any legislation, it was an attempt to make better use of resources. The voice had no veto power and no power to bring forth legislation.

[@jonahtwhale1779]

The voice was a mechanism for tax payers to be forced to pay for Aboriginal activists. It would appoint a number of paid positions open only to Aboriginal people. That was the only gauranteed outcome. Better use of re sources, better outcomes for Aboriginal communities was an aspiration, only. Governments and Ngos have a long, consistent record of failing to met their goals. But of course this time would have been different, I am sure you believe that! Most don't share your faith. The voice was going to have to the right to be consulted and be able to sue, at our expense, if they felt the consultation was inadequate. We know how this bureaucratic dance works. And have seen it in many areas, time after time. Incentivising the government to provide favours for the groups concerned to bring consultation delays to a speedy resolution, not an optimal resolution!

[@Risingashes]

@@Ineddiblehulk Implementing a constitutional upper class of people based upon race isn't a better use of resources.

[@andrewmakkink]

WE voted NO as in NO to Apartheid.

[@mithrasrevisited4873]

Apartheid. You really need to look that up. So these lobby groups are now causing a apartheid. The rich have access to the parties so that is apartheid.

[@watchman835]

Why not? I liked to be slaved around.

[@PhilipRanson-d5t]

A very likeable man who puts his thoughts eloquently and without malice,a great Australian.

[@micled93]

What I find ridiculous is if we had a warren running for prime minister, he would be speaking for all australians and tackling the issues facing aboriginals more effectively than our current crop of politicians.

[@Jumbo-k4t]

So you hate the current politicians because they don't talk about your issue 24 hours a day but you think this guy can do any better

[@magiciansway]

Because the last thing we needed was another Aboriginal advocacy agency with even more power than those already existing. Because it WOULD not have done ANYTHING to improve the lot of the majority of aboriginal people - just those who had the power in it who would line their own pockets like those in ASIC

[@stuartpotter600]

So true

[@trudiswanson9855]

This is a very important point that the Yes voters did Not understand.

[@Jumbo-k4t]

No one mentioned the fact that there were no aborigines involved in the voice only used for a photo opportunities

[@QiMast3r]

Australia said NO TO RACISM, that's what happened.

[@tangels]

Albo can't be trusted to do anything as he has no idea what to do.

[@johnfisher9692]

I did do one thing, I will never vote of Anthony ABOnese as I can see this moron bringing it ujp again if he gets another term in office. He is a Republican and that group screamed another vote was required even before the counting was finished when the majority decided to remain in the Monarchy. If he gets another go, Voice v2.0 will happen and he will probably try to restrict voting to Aborigines only, like the US republicans are trying to restrict voters rights.

[@sebastianfinocchiaro870]

People should also vote no for Albo at the next election.

[@Mister_Holdsworth]

Certainly if Dutton stands down and let's a libertarian in. Labor and Liberals have same paymasters, 2 wings, same bird.

[@andrewnielsen3178]

Be careful what you wish for. Dutton is our Trump.

[@Mister_Holdsworth]

@@andrewnielsen3178 Dutton would be more like Bush. He's under corporate control and is a Liberal soldier, unlike Trump who does what Trump wants.

[@wilhelmredhood7296]

And this logic is exactly 💯 the reason why this guy and price and team dutton supported no. You are being played.

[@cjod33]

1- it was a racist proposal. 2- it was a divisive proposal. 3- it was a completely regressive proposal that belongs in the past. 4- it is saying that Australian Aboriginal people ARE completely different to everyone else just like it was thought of in the 1700s etc .

[@Anth1963]

As a proud Anglo-Saxon man, I acknowledge and pay my respects to British and European, Asian and Middle Eastern elders past and present who introduced civil society and prosperity to this great nation, Terra Australis. And built infrastructure and our standard of living that we ALL enjoy today. And above all, the rule of law, common sense, intellect, human ingenuity and the spirit of achievement that made it possible in just over 200 years on an almost inhospitable land. Advance Australia fair🇦🇺🦘

[@Philsta007]

NO was the correct call. We also need to abolish welcome to country, native title and close all of the thousands of aboriginal corporations etc. which cost a fortune and benefit nobody.

[@busarob1969]

They on benefit those heads or corporations, it one big money luandring scam!

[@roytherhodesian4029]

Wise man mr Mundine …so well spoken and logical, you are a true gentleman and have Australia’s best interests at heart

[@patveldhoven4919]

Albo and his government lied to the people regarding the Referendum which was 24 pages rather than the one page summery Albo referred too. And the fact that people like Warren and Jacinta and their families, highly regarded indigenous Australians, informed Aussies of the obvious confusion and division which was being caused by the Uluru Statement and the far reaching consequences this would have on all Aussies going forward.

[@Hydrogenblonde]

Australians will never vote to change the constitution. If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

[@Ineddiblehulk]

Australians have literally voted 8 times to change the constitution

[@Hydrogenblonde]

@@Ineddiblehulk what was changed?

[@Ineddiblehulk]

@@HydrogenblondeI mean if you want to know, it’s online. But one relevant change is in ‘67 which gave parliament the power to make laws for indigenous Australians and whether they’d be included in official population counts

[@Hydrogenblonde]

@@Ineddiblehulk you are correct, that is one. What are the others?

[@Jumbo-k4t]

It is broken but we didn't want it to be damaged any further

[@thewholls7176]

Don’t forget when the debate started it was 60% yes in the polls and by the end of the campaign it was a 60% no vote so people thought about it and made a considered decision

[@penguinvic9892]

Not to mention the Yes side couldn’t even be polite to indigenous leaders on the No side. It was a terrible look. Also the Yes campaign was terrible. Having unpopular CEOs spruiking the Voice was an own goal.

[@davidrochow9382]

The South Australian government didn't give us a choice as they made it law about six months before the referendum was even held and then just waited to enact it. Then when South Australia voted no they basically said "too bad, so sad , we don't care what you want we're keeping it" and finally showed us what they actually think of us.

[@Mister_Holdsworth]

That, without being written into the constitution will be easy to repeal once common sense comes back.

[@Risingashes]

The SA government has made you a second class citisen, and politician supporting that is a traitor to the country.

[@anthonycoyle2889]

it was because of all the virtue signaling done by the yes made people feel sick so most people said No

[@melhawk1352]

There are people in my neighbourhood who still have their 'yes' signs up 😂 they can't stop virtue signalling a year on!

[@christinehamilton35]

The gap is not just between remote and city Aboriginal peoples but anyone who lives outside the cities and the big cities. Rural health, jobs, housing, school etc is terrible. Big cities want fancy tunnels to save 5 minutes to work. Rural people want the dirt road graded at least once a year.

[@cbisme6414]

I'd like to see the one and only road from the east into Western Australia fixed, so it doesn't flood every year and stop the transport of all goods to WA, and our shelves empty.

[@Jumbo-k4t]

That is certainly true but once you get out into the sticks they really are disadvantaged unlike their white cousins in the cities

[@bretttuckey]

We refused to be at the whims of 3 percent of the population. If they want a voice in parliament they can stand for parliament like the rest of us!!!!

[@patrickjohnson8741]

We are ALL EQUAL. Therefore no special treatment !!!

[@TruthWarrior1]

Equality of choice is paramount to the fabric of Australian society.

[@MMG008]

I just don’t take my moral cues from Qantas or PWC.

[@Jumbo-k4t]

Absolutely right we should only be brainwashed by the Internet and no one else

[@andrewlim9345]

It is good to hear indigenous voices like Warren Munding who support equality. Watching as a New Zealand Chinese. The Voice referendum fell on the same day as the 2023 NZ general election, which brought a right coalition government that has emphasised racial equality. They were a bit heavy handed with renaming government departments and cutting back on public spending and services but their policy of treating people equally regardless of race is a good idea.

[@melhawk1352]

💯 the activists have been given too much power in NZ.

[@dannywebb6709]

We said NO they still went ahead with it. Just being done behind closed doors

[@retyroni]

That's okay though. That's just everyday political shenanigans, not a Constitutional requirement.

[@somethingelse9535]

@@retyroni Yep, next change of government, that nonsense gets closed down.

[@Trucksofwar]

The way Jacinta Price handled things all through this & after the result landed I would happily make her our first Indigenous & first legitimately elected Female Prime Minister. A lot of people I know thought the same.

[@ivanbuldo7676]

Warren Mundine! What a bloody Great Australian 🇦🇺

[@andrewkeith80]

As a former Malaysian, I can attest that Warren Mundine is correct about the second class citizenship. It's known as bumiputera. As a non bumiputera, I was a second class citizenship before migrating to Australia.

[@free-thinker4875]

We voted NO to apartheid. No No No

[@John-p7i5g]

Because of first principles. The structure of the voice bypassed key democratic checks and balances. It went direct to the high court which subsequently overruled the Australian government 6 months after the voice failed, proving that their claims of not doing this were lies. Clearly, a voice would have been politically weaponised within a short period of time. The other thing was it was based on emotional blackmail, not reason. That sets off immediate alarm bells.

[@SMHman666]

@John-p. Yes, it's just another bullying technique which most people find abhorrent. The NO outcome was excellent.

[@Jumbo-k4t]

And the minor thing of there not being any aboriginal people involved in it

[@colleenwellard7738]

I was a NO voter but I think Warren Mundine & Jacinta Price are the most wonderful duo for the plight of our first nation people. With so much lack of info it created more racism.

[@every1665]

The 1967 referendum was held at a time when, we are now told, Australia was riven with racism. Yet it passed with a 90.77% YES vote - one of the biggest approvals in any (genuine) referendum held anywhere. The ABC never mention that.

[@graemekeeley4497]

The 1967 Referendum sought to change two sections of the Constitution in relation to Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander peoples. 90.77 per cent of Australian voters voted ‘Yes’ to the changes. It was the biggest 'yes' vote in our nation's history! The changes meant two lines were removed from the document giving Indigenous people the right to be included in Australia's population figures, and giving the federal government the power to make laws for Indigenous Australians. There wasn’t a “no” campaign in 1967, the 2023 Yes vote campaign was hijacked by the movement of the radical left and the Elites, leading to the comment a Voice to Parliament would be akin to putting “lipstick on a pig”.

[@Jumbo-k4t]

riven ?

[@Jumbo-k4t]

@@graemekeeley4497 We didn't have left and right back then human beings were more intelligent than that

[@every1665]

@@Jumbo-k4t Meaning 'overwhelmingly a characteristic'.

[@Jumbo-k4t]

@@every1665 Okay you're one of those who likes using words that no one has used for a hundred Years because you think then people think you're really smart when in fact you're just coming across as a complete Minda lol

[@murraywebster362]

Very strong and sensible arguments Warren - thanks

[@cjames21]

We don’t want to be split up by race. Religion or any other category…we are al Australian!

[@Jumbo-k4t]

I hope like me when you see people saying woke or you're insane because you're green or you're a Boomer or your in this group So I have to hate you ,you pull them up on it lol

[@svenrehulka5688]

The "Voice" is RACIST ! But Warren Mundine is real AUSTRALIAN !

[@michaelversace456]

My adopted mother voted no and I couldn't agree more with her. I'm not Aboriginal but my mother is and I didn't want to be divided from her!

[@herbertvonsauerkrautunterh2513]

I voted no because I don't care. We are all here we can only have one voice. No special treatment for anyone

[@mickvonbornemann3824]

I wanted to vote yes. But no one explained why a change in the constitution was required to improve aboriginal lives & no one explained how The Voice would improve aboriginal lives either. AFAIK it really was that simple.

[@seluinitaufa846]

I felt the same. It sounded nice, but was not clearly explained. I know they said the group if elected would have no actual voting power, but they could still advise against policies that didn’t otherwise positively affect Indigenous Australians. It wasn’t fair.

[@Jumbo-k4t]

It would've done nothing for the aboriginal people in the bush just made more for the white aborigines in the city

[@davedunn4285]

because the people already think the indigenous people get far too much and secondly Albo didn’t outline his policy or tell the real reason

[@grunkalunka3449]

It really annoys me that we are still talking about this. Its been a year. Enough already. If the vote had gone the other way, we wouldve stopped talking about it after 2 days. But because things didnt go 'their' way, they have to keep going on about it.

[@melhawk1352]

Exactly!

[@Jumbo-k4t]

The core issue has not been solved and that's white aboriginal women stealing all the money

[@MultiRationalThinker]

I can't speak for others, but I voted "no" because the government refused to tell me what they wanted me to vote for. I was quite happy to consider a "yes" vote, if only they could tell me what they were proposing. Asking me to vote "yes" in principle and they'll fill in the details later is always going to get a "no" from me. I don't care which side of politics you are on and what the issue is, if you're going to hide the details I'm voting "no". Be honest and you might get a "yes".

[@buncha5651]

I voted no because I consider all Australians to be equal regardless of race.

[@Jumbo-k4t]

unless they are left or right lol

[@christianfulton3918]

We don’t want a decided country and a bill without details being enacted. It’s pretty simple.

[@666Havers]

Premier here in SA installed his own voice anyway. What a disgrace.

[@Jumbo-k4t]

Well who made up for it by coming up with the social media ban

[@potato3264]

Can't help but respect this man.

[@darrenroso2991]

We : reject racism, realise no one is special, there is lots of work to do, and everyone is happy to help, but Aboriginal and Torres straits Islander communities have do most of the work. Please, lets get on with it.

[@rhondawhatley3310]

I voted no because I actually asked some people in Aboriginal Community "do you want me to vote yes" they responded "no we don't". Maybe the government should have done this.

[@dennismcdonnell7853]

We already have everything in place in Constitutional Law that needs to be, but need the government to recognize that the original Constitution is the only law we have to obey. It encompasses all peoples of Australia equally.

[@OffGridInvestor]

Once you've ACTUALLY LIVED AMONGST aboriginals, YOU KNOW WHY it failed. I grew up on a farm with an aboriginal name in a town with an aboriginal name in an area where they were half the population. NO AMOUNT of media talking heads are going to tell me what THEY want me to think versus what I saw. They're a very unique people with a vastly different culture.

[@colb715]

We voted no because we have way more sense than our stupid government

[@puffin51]

I don't know why over 60% or Australian electors voted "No". I can only say why I did. It was an even-steven argument - my wish to improve Aboriginal prospects and outcomes against an instinctive distrust of differential treatment for a racial group - until I heard a panel of lawyers on the ABC assuring everyone that this proposal would not confer special privileges on Aboriginal people and Torres Strait Islanders. I could hardly believe my ears. It was obviously a flagrant falsehood. Of course unique access to, and influence over, government policy would be a special privilege. I knew then that if I voted "Yes"" I would be voting for a lie. So I voted "No".

[@beedoox5613]

It was easy to vote No without knowing what the Yes side were campaigning on. If you believe as I do that all Australians are equal, and some people - any people are being left behind, then Government is failing in its duty to look after its citizens.

[@Jumbo-k4t]

Why do you speak like that it's so annoying

[@puffin51]

@@Jumbo-k4t Who is that comment addressed to, please?

[@Jumbo-k4t]

@@puffin51 Now there you go ,you can get to the point succinctly lol

[@puffin51]

@@Jumbo-k4t Certainly. And I can even be exact about what I mean.

[@davidcook6146]

The big question is why doesn’t the government listen to people?

[@LinuxGalore]

It is simple, when you define the rights of individuals by race in the constitution you will create a massive problem because the next question is, how do you prove they deserve those extra privileges. The result would be legal cases asking for DNA proof, at that point you can say without doubt you have lost the plot. Then we would have splits within the tribes as some would deny those who are genetically from the first people being denied because they don't act or partake in aboriginal culture.

[@naomiomi4503]

Your country was founded on the genocide of these people. Your recent ancestors wanted to breed the black out of them. Why deny them any kind of say in funding?? Sounds racist to me

[@7thsealord888]

White guy who voted No. I did so, without regret, because: (1) there was a total lack of information about how this was going to work. "Just vote for it. Trust us, we'll fix it." (2) it was anti-democratic - by-passing the entire electoral and voting process to give a specific group extra powers. How would this have played if, just supposing, instead of Aboriginals it was Anglo-Saxons getting this privileged position? (3) the entire deal just seemed to me to be about some people wanting a Quick Fix for their White Guilt. I have never disputed that there are Aboriginal groups with serious problems. This wasn't a solution. It wasn't even the basis for a solution. Respect for Mr Mundine.

[@tooeasybrah]

My kids school still makes them thank traditional owners for "sharing" their country with us. It's a bloody outrage!!! One of them even said she wished she was aboriginal because she is seeing them get special treatment and extra stuff from the school 🤬

[@melhawk1352]

I hear ya! I can't stand the racism in the education system.

[@out_spocken]

It's funny how society says if a woman says no it means no. You don't ask why, you don't try again, you don't to anything other than respect that word, NO! Seems that doesn't apply to the Voice or Recognition or aboriginals (shock horror). You asked. We said NO. THAT IS ALL! Respect what the public has said. Any other discussion is irrelevant. All the reasons why Australia doesn't want it...even after the huge push for it and calling people racists for not wanting one group elevated above everyone else in Australia. So NO! Simple. RESPECT THIS!

[@bkeckk]

45% of Australia is native title already $40 billion to less than 4% of population 82% of Indigenous Australians live in cities or metro areas and almost none of the federal funding helps the 19% who live in the outback where its truly needed In south Australia of the 33,615 Indigenous voting aged people ONLY 2383 voted in the State Voice election, even though 61% of the state said no to the federal voice months before. What we need is Housing, employment and education not division or more government adversary bodies, we already have five national Indigenous bodies advising Australian governments. Four were elected and one (the National Indigenous Council) was appointed by the federal government. Then each state has their own groups and still nothing changes...

[@Jumbo-k4t]

The 82% you're talking about are white This is the whole problem no one seems to know the difference between someone pretending and the real thing

[@ThomasThorr]

the fact the yes campaign has done nothing since the referendum to help indigenous communities speaks volumes to the authenticity of their cause.

[@andrewf9322]

For me it was over reach. I support constitutional recognition but a seperate additional voice to Parliament ignored that we all already have a democratic system where no one person’s vote or voice is more important than anyone else’s. The proposal ran contrary to this and the yes campaign framed anyone who did not supporting their position as bigoted, intolerant and unintelligent.

[@adtastic1533]

@@andrewf9322 I don't support recognition personally. Who knows how an activist high court would have twisted that in future? I'd support taking all mentions of race out of our laws and constitution altogether

[@ianking-jv4hg]

Thank you Uncle Warren, Clear, Lucid Explanations of Existing Problems Where are these urbanites to sit, debate, and work on achieving a progressive outcome ?

[@yvie0136]

Why is our government not listening to Warren a proud and dignified Indigenous Elder?

[@melhawk1352]

Because he doesn't spout the victim narrative of oppression.

[@techo61]

Why did we change our national anthem from we are 'young' to we are 'one'? So given the prominence of being 'one' now explain why are there are two different flags on the Sydney Harbour bridge?

[@wilhelmredhood7296]

So you don’t want two flags up there? Cool, which do we get rid of? Your answer will be telling…

[@techo61]

@@wilhelmredhood7296 The ANF of course. The indigenous peoples of Australia were NEVER a 'Nation' but a bunch of waring tribes. Further those that I know and grew up with didn't want to be treated as different based on their skin colour. Those citizens alive today have no more rights in this country than any other, regardless of skin colour and to say otherwise is the very definition of racism. Remember 'we are one' means ONE flag!

[@John451vfr]

Oddly on the day to help out friends, at different times I handed out both " YES " and " NO " pamphlets, found only amongst the YES voters did I cop abuse and witness bad behaviour from them when handing out the NO pamphlets.

[@elkrazi]

Warren got it right. I personally voted NO because I don't want racist policies in the constitution.

[@woocid54]

Why do you class this as "the anniversary of the failure of the Voice to Parliament referendum" I, as a NO VOTER personally refer to the outcome of the Referendum as a SUCCESS !! We the people of Australia need to adopt the mindset that our Governing bodies are in place to "Serve the People" inline with "Our requirements".

[@Jumbo-k4t]

You can't just demand they serve you occasionally people have to get off their arse and contribute which they're not any more which is why we have such bad politicians ,because they know no one is coming through the ranks

[@dimitarpopov974]

They wanted UNLIMITED AUTHORITY to divide the Australian people. They couldn't work out a proposal, but "Just trust us to get it right".

[@richardharris885]

and thats the problem the indigenous in parliament lost focus long ago for a better life for those in the bush they needed to keep it simple and one step at a time instead it was we being here for 60,000 years and the evils of colonization 200 years ago and belting Australians over the head with it for the sins of their ancestors creating divison not solving the problems in the bush hows that gonna house and school those in the bush who are still no better off today in 2024 so Mr Mundine your right to many noses in the trough instead of out in bush country working for their people

[@petersinclair3997]

A those elite indigenous noses would promote an apartheid beneficial to their own pockets and, personal power and status.

[@TimonWeller-o7z]

The Voice was about dividing Australia based on race, so proud of Australians seeing through it and voting against it. Everyone Australian no matter what the background should be treated equally, judge people based on character, not other factors.

[@Jumbo-k4t]

Everyone talking about not wanting division but then they go and scream at people saying they're left and right lol

[@DieterZimmermann-yf4le]

Why 😊 , because we are not Vacuum Brain's.

[@davidhandyman7571]

We voted against racism. We are Australian.

[@Custodian123]

As a few might have said already, l voted no because l didnt fully understand what l was voting Yes to. I only knew the change would have major long lasting ramifications. I went with the safer option.

[@kimberleygirl7533]

That really hit home when Warren said he couldn’t own a home on community run land.

[@adtastic1533]

Because Australians know good money after bad when they see it

[@naomiomi4503]

Good sign that you maybe racist

[@aussietaipan8700]

I voted NO. The Uluru Statement from the heart in full, I read from start to finish, the 29 page version, it was a lot of hate speech. Albo kept stating it was 1 page. I did not trust either version. At least Albo gave all of us the choice via the referendum, this is the true work of democracy. Warren's thoughts are akin to most Australians.

[@smittyk7810]

It failed because it was a racist idea giving one group more power to make laws or it was a token gesture. It was not going to address the issues of Aboriginal people. The government was not clear or fully honest with the public about the details of the position. Most people who voted yes only did it out of an historical feeling of shame or guilt and did not consider the reasoning behind the problems with the idea. It was a crap idea and I am proud most of Australia did not let the politicians weaken the democracy.

[@free-thinker4875]

A yes vote would have been discriminatory to so many people

[@mckaypaterson2519]

I was in a position to observe directly the Australian people, in my area, voting in the referendum. The biggest issue, that I observed being expressed, was that people were unwilling to trust the Albanise Government with such an open ended gap in the Constitution, and the absence of detail of the proposed change. Some people wanted to vote "Yes" but couldn't bring themselves to support such a flawed change to the constitution. A good number were angry at the Prime Minister for the waste of time and money, "for what". They, the Australian Government, wanted people to vote on the "vib". It is almost as though the "Voice Referendum" was setup to fail! Was this just an expensive sop to the far left segment of Albanese led Australian Government? If one looks at previous refendums, there were consultations with the Australian Parliamentary Opposition, followed by constitution conventions, where all the details were explored and argued over. That is, with the view to achieving the the best possible constitutional change proposal. This would have been exposed to public scrutiny, before being put to a referendum. Had this process been followed then the outcome may have been different. Who knows?

[@rowbearly6128]

Almost every people worldwide have been colonized, it is generally beneficial to most people in the long run. England was colonized many times, as was India and most European nations. Aboriginals are not special nor do they deserve special treatment as if they cannot succeed at life.. They are Australians like all the rest of us. We do not begrudge the help we offer, but we do resent the insults and refusal to accept reality. No treaty no voice. The gravy train that a few grifters have made millions off must end. Help for the really disadvantaged must be a partnership between dedicated Elders and the wider community. No more teaching victimhood. Time to accept the flaws in their culture. Parenting must be better. Pride comes from acheivements, not myths and resentment.